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9 Jan 2018, 12:31 PM
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The Hootsman has an opinion piece today claiming that there is an increasing mistrust of journalism by the public. The writer mentions practices like 'nodding' where after an interview takes place, the journalist is filmed nodding as if he or she is actually deeply interested in what the interviewee is saying. (By that stage, the interviewee has long since deaparted for the pub.) That footage is then spliced into the finished interview. Another practice which the writer refers to is 'Christmas boxes' where journalists rehash stories previously sent to them by politicians etc.., over the Christmas period.
These are the reasons why people no longer respect journalists and why readerships are plummeting. His conclusion is that if people want better journalism, they need to pay for it.
Where do you even begin with this shampooe? Well you can begin by simply looking at the 'stories' in the sports section of the very same newspaper in which Jabba's made up pish is dutifully published regarding 'Rangers' transfer activity. Of course Jabba is not credited with it.
Just to pluck one example from thin air, anyone remember the nodding Raman Bawbag on STV after the AGM at Ibrox last year? Plenty of gratuitous nodding during his interviews. But I'm guessing that the more telling coverage of that event was on the BBC where the whole of Scotland witnessed the Bawbag in the background taking his instructions from Jabba Traynor. The same happened after the Hibs v Sevco Cup final where these lickspittles gathered around the fat one - off camera, they thought - to be told what their story should be re Sevco players being assaulted by Hibs fans and Sevco fans only trying to protect their own players by kicking the shampoo out of teenage Hibs fans. So bad was the coverage that Scottish sports hacks had to be corrected by Kenny Miller's wife!
But it's the wally dug nodding that is the problem. Aye right.
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9 Jan 2018, 01:16 PM
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The Hootsman has an opinion piece today claiming that there is an increasing mistrust of journalism by the public. The writer mentions practices like 'nodding' where after an interview takes place, the journalist is filmed nodding as if he or she is actually deeply interested in what the interviewee is saying. (By that stage, the interviewee has long since deaparted for the pub.) That footage is then spliced into the finished interview. Another practice which the writer refers to is 'Christmas boxes' where journalists rehash stories previously sent to them by politicians etc.., over the Christmas period.
These are the reasons why people no longer respect journalists and why readerships are plummeting. His conclusion is that if people want better journalism, they need to pay for it.
Where do you even begin with this shampooe? Well you can begin by simply looking at the 'stories' in the sports section of the very same newspaper in which Jabba's made up pish is dutifully published regarding 'Rangers' transfer activity. Of course Jabba is not credited with it.
Just to pluck one example from thin air, anyone remember the nodding Raman Bawbag on STV after the AGM at Ibrox last year? Plenty of gratuitous nodding during his interviews. But I'm guessing that the more telling coverage of that event was on the BBC where the whole of Scotland witnessed the Bawbag in the background taking his instructions from Jabba Traynor. The same happened after the Hibs v Sevco Cup final where these lickspittles gathered around the fat one - off camera, they thought - to be told what their story should be re Sevco players being assaulted by Hibs fans and Sevco fans only trying to protect their own players by kicking the shampoo out of teenage Hibs fans. So bad was the coverage that Scottish sports hacks had to be corrected by Kenny Miller's wife!
But it's the wally dug nodding that is the problem. Aye right. Not that it changes your point but often interviews are done using one camera - then they film the interviewer later to give them footage from more than one angle and to show them asking the questions.
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9 Jan 2018, 01:37 PM
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The Hootsman has an opinion piece today claiming that there is an increasing mistrust of journalism by the public. The writer mentions practices like 'nodding' where after an interview takes place, the journalist is filmed nodding as if he or she is actually deeply interested in what the interviewee is saying. (By that stage, the interviewee has long since deaparted for the pub.) That footage is then spliced into the finished interview. Another practice which the writer refers to is 'Christmas boxes' where journalists rehash stories previously sent to them by politicians etc.., over the Christmas period.
These are the reasons why people no longer respect journalists and why readerships are plummeting. His conclusion is that if people want better journalism, they need to pay for it.
Where do you even begin with this shampooe? Well you can begin by simply looking at the 'stories' in the sports section of the very same newspaper in which Jabba's made up pish is dutifully published regarding 'Rangers' transfer activity. Of course Jabba is not credited with it.
Just to pluck one example from thin air, anyone remember the nodding Raman Bawbag on STV after the AGM at Ibrox last year? Plenty of gratuitous nodding during his interviews. But I'm guessing that the more telling coverage of that event was on the BBC where the whole of Scotland witnessed the Bawbag in the background taking his instructions from Jabba Traynor. The same happened after the Hibs v Sevco Cup final where these lickspittles gathered around the fat one - off camera, they thought - to be told what their story should be re Sevco players being assaulted by Hibs fans and Sevco fans only trying to protect their own players by kicking the shampoo out of teenage Hibs fans. So bad was the coverage that Scottish sports hacks had to be corrected by Kenny Miller's wife!
But it's the wally dug nodding that is the problem. Aye right. Oh I thought this was a serious attempt at journalism but it's just that fkin Loki idiot.
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9 Jan 2018, 02:02 PM
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The Hootsman has an opinion piece today claiming that there is an increasing mistrust of journalism by the public. The writer mentions practices like 'nodding' where after an interview takes place, the journalist is filmed nodding as if he or she is actually deeply interested in what the interviewee is saying. (By that stage, the interviewee has long since deaparted for the pub.) That footage is then spliced into the finished interview. Another practice which the writer refers to is 'Christmas boxes' where journalists rehash stories previously sent to them by politicians etc.., over the Christmas period.
These are the reasons why people no longer respect journalists and why readerships are plummeting. His conclusion is that if people want better journalism, they need to pay for it.
Where do you even begin with this shampooe? Well you can begin by simply looking at the 'stories' in the sports section of the very same newspaper in which Jabba's made up pish is dutifully published regarding 'Rangers' transfer activity. Of course Jabba is not credited with it.
Just to pluck one example from thin air, anyone remember the nodding Raman Bawbag on STV after the AGM at Ibrox last year? Plenty of gratuitous nodding during his interviews. But I'm guessing that the more telling coverage of that event was on the BBC where the whole of Scotland witnessed the Bawbag in the background taking his instructions from Jabba Traynor. The same happened after the Hibs v Sevco Cup final where these lickspittles gathered around the fat one - off camera, they thought - to be told what their story should be re Sevco players being assaulted by Hibs fans and Sevco fans only trying to protect their own players by kicking the shampoo out of teenage Hibs fans. So bad was the coverage that Scottish sports hacks had to be corrected by Kenny Miller's wife!
But it's the wally dug nodding that is the problem. Aye right.
Oh I thought this was a serious attempt at journalism but it's just that fkin Loki idiot. Good article - https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/darren-mcgarvey-everyday-media-practices-feed-public-s-growing-distrust-of-journalism-1-4656456
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9 Jan 2018, 02:12 PM
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The Hootsman has an opinion piece today claiming that there is an increasing mistrust of journalism by the public. The writer mentions practices like 'nodding' where after an interview takes place, the journalist is filmed nodding as if he or she is actually deeply interested in what the interviewee is saying. (By that stage, the interviewee has long since deaparted for the pub.) That footage is then spliced into the finished interview. Another practice which the writer refers to is 'Christmas boxes' where journalists rehash stories previously sent to them by politicians etc.., over the Christmas period.
These are the reasons why people no longer respect journalists and why readerships are plummeting. His conclusion is that if people want better journalism, they need to pay for it.
Where do you even begin with this shampooe? Well you can begin by simply looking at the 'stories' in the sports section of the very same newspaper in which Jabba's made up pish is dutifully published regarding 'Rangers' transfer activity. Of course Jabba is not credited with it.
Just to pluck one example from thin air, anyone remember the nodding Raman Bawbag on STV after the AGM at Ibrox last year? Plenty of gratuitous nodding during his interviews. But I'm guessing that the more telling coverage of that event was on the BBC where the whole of Scotland witnessed the Bawbag in the background taking his instructions from Jabba Traynor. The same happened after the Hibs v Sevco Cup final where these lickspittles gathered around the fat one - off camera, they thought - to be told what their story should be re Sevco players being assaulted by Hibs fans and Sevco fans only trying to protect their own players by kicking the shampoo out of teenage Hibs fans. So bad was the coverage that Scottish sports hacks had to be corrected by Kenny Miller's wife!
But it's the wally dug nodding that is the problem. Aye right.
Oh I thought this was a serious attempt at journalism but it's just that fkin Loki idiot.
Good article - https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/darren-mcgarvey-everyday-media-practices-feed-public-s-growing-distrust-of-journalism-1-4656456 It's OK, usual unqualified shallow understanding of an issue from Darren. Once again his minimal experience with the matter he's writing about somehow gives him startling insights. Usually there's a few 'Now you probably won't want to hear truth like this' type statements in there.
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9 Jan 2018, 02:38 PM
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It's OK, usual unqualified shallow understanding of an issue from Darren. Once again his minimal experience with the matter he's writing about somehow gives him startling insights. Usually there's a few 'Now you probably won't want to hear truth like this' type statements in there. McGarvey's a terrific writer and, for me, is always worth engaging with. Poverty Safari was the best non fiction book of 2017 (this year, it's going to be Amos Oz, just so's you know).
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9 Jan 2018, 02:40 PM
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The Hootsman has an opinion piece today claiming that there is an increasing mistrust of journalism by the public. The writer mentions practices like 'nodding' where after an interview takes place, the journalist is filmed nodding as if he or she is actually deeply interested in what the interviewee is saying. (By that stage, the interviewee has long since deaparted for the pub.) That footage is then spliced into the finished interview. Another practice which the writer refers to is 'Christmas boxes' where journalists rehash stories previously sent to them by politicians etc.., over the Christmas period.
These are the reasons why people no longer respect journalists and why readerships are plummeting. His conclusion is that if people want better journalism, they need to pay for it.
Where do you even begin with this shampooe? Well you can begin by simply looking at the 'stories' in the sports section of the very same newspaper in which Jabba's made up pish is dutifully published regarding 'Rangers' transfer activity. Of course Jabba is not credited with it.
Just to pluck one example from thin air, anyone remember the nodding Raman Bawbag on STV after the AGM at Ibrox last year? Plenty of gratuitous nodding during his interviews. But I'm guessing that the more telling coverage of that event was on the BBC where the whole of Scotland witnessed the Bawbag in the background taking his instructions from Jabba Traynor. The same happened after the Hibs v Sevco Cup final where these lickspittles gathered around the fat one - off camera, they thought - to be told what their story should be re Sevco players being assaulted by Hibs fans and Sevco fans only trying to protect their own players by kicking the shampoo out of teenage Hibs fans. So bad was the coverage that Scottish sports hacks had to be corrected by Kenny Miller's wife!
But it's the wally dug nodding that is the problem. Aye right.
Oh I thought this was a serious attempt at journalism but it's just that fkin Loki idiot. It is indeed an idiotic argument he puts forward.
A similar outstanding opinion was sought by The Sun to give a counter balance to Lord Hodge's recent explanation of the Supreme Court ruling in favour of HMRC. Non other than James Price of The Taxpayers Alliance was chosen.
I've followed that website on and off for a few years now. They predicted all along that Rangers would win the tax case. They really don't like HMRC. Haters 😤
(I came to the conclusion that many people on that site find their way there because they googled 'JUST GOT A HUGE EFFIN TAX DEMAND IN FROM THEY COMPLETE WINKERS AND I'M EFFIN RAGIN...'
Mr Price had a dig at HMRC for getting it wrong in lots of other cases. Lol.
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9 Jan 2018, 02:48 PM
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It's OK, usual unqualified shallow understanding of an issue from Darren. Once again his minimal experience with the matter he's writing about somehow gives him startling insights. Usually there's a few 'Now you probably won't want to hear truth like this' type statements in there.
McGarvey's a terrific writer and, for me, is always worth engaging with. Poverty Safari was the best non fiction book of 2017 (this year, it's going to be Amos Oz, just so's you know). Best non-fiction of 2017, pmsl
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9 Jan 2018, 02:52 PM
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It's OK, usual unqualified shallow understanding of an issue from Darren. Once again his minimal experience with the matter he's writing about somehow gives him startling insights. Usually there's a few 'Now you probably won't want to hear truth like this' type statements in there.
McGarvey's a terrific writer and, for me, is always worth engaging with. Poverty Safari was the best non fiction book of 2017 (this year, it's going to be Amos Oz, just so's you know). It's well written pish then.
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9 Jan 2018, 03:05 PM
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McGarvey's a terrific writer and, for me, is always worth engaging with. Poverty Safari was the best non fiction book of 2017 (this year, it's going to be Amos Oz, just so's you know).
It's well written pish then. It's neither well written or insightful. Aside from the odd decent turn of phrase his mangled sentences struggle under the weight of incessant repetition. Not a lot of people know this but he alone is capable of insight which is invariably correct until he gets a bit more experience then he rolls back what he said but those people criticising him are still just stuck in their ivory towers. You'd think Scotland contained one deprived household. For someone who drones on and on and on about how he doesn't have a voice I'm fair sick to the back teeth of his useful idiot layman opinions being given a biweekly airing.
He wrote something on mental health last year which was staggering in its ignorance. If only people just eschewed drugs and did some real talk with themselves like he did. Fkin buffoon.
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12 Jan 2018, 09:40 AM
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Gary Ralston has morphed into Dave King
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12 Jan 2018, 09:55 AM
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Gary Ralston has morphed into Dave King Having read that piece, I thought he had just joined level5
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12 Jan 2018, 09:59 AM
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Gary Ralston has morphed into Dave King
Having read that piece, I thought he had just joined level5 Embarrassing stuff
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12 Jan 2018, 10:16 AM
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Seriously, the coverage of sevco over there looks like one of Tinsoldier's piss takes.
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15 Jan 2018, 08:20 AM
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Ever since Gordon Strachan got the boot form the Scotland job the media have been lauding Michael O'Neil for the job. Telling them to get a move on and sign him up before he negotiate as new job with Norn Ireland and then complaining the SFA are taking to long. Now Keith Jackson is telling us that the SFA have concentrated on only O'Neil and should have looked elsewhere as well and that his International managerial record is not as good as Strachan's. Maybe he was hoping that eh would have rocked up at Ibrox in the summer?
Stewart Regan has cornered himself with Michael O'Neill chase and better hope he doesn't get it wrong - Keith Jackson Keith believes the chase for O'Neill has shown Regan up and says it looks like he's been chasing Pep Guardiola with his approach.
Spoiler: click to toggle ByKeith Jackson Is it just me or did anyone else miss the precise moment when Michael O’Neill morphed into the new Pep Guardiola? It must have happened some time, presumably in the last 10 years since he jumped the hedge to get out of Brechin, in the very same year that Pep was landing the top job at Barcelona. Granted, at the time back in 2008, those two events in two entirely different worlds may have seemed like a mere coincidence if they even registered in our collective consciences at all. But now – with the benefit of hindsight – it all begins to make perfect sense. Read More Michael O'Neill will interview SFA chiefs over Scotland job - not vice versa Think about it. One of these men was responsible for the blossoming of Lionel Messi. The other made an international striker out of Josh Magennis. Looking back, perhaps this was the particular miracle which swung it for Stewart Regan who has been angsting around the sixth floor of Hampden these last few months like some love sick teenager. Whatever the reason, O’Neill has worked such almighty wonders that the SFA’s chief executive now regards him as some sort of managerial messiah. The only possible answer to all of Scotland’s hitherto impossible questions. So utterly smitten has Regan become that when he gazes longingly into O’Neill’s Irish eyes at some point this week and pops the big question, in his own mind he’ll probably see an image of a Guardiola looking back at him from across the desk, all blushing smiles and fluttery eye-lashes. O’Neill might as well turn up for the interview in jeans and a Stone Island jumper because, as far as Regan appears to be concerned, he is the Gaelic embodiment of the swarthy, fashion-conscience Spaniard. SFA to hold talks with Michael O'Neill over vacant manager's job after agreeing compensation with Irish FA If, just this once, Regan’s judgement and instincts are correct and O’Neill really is the right man to replace Gordon Strachan then good luck to the both of them. It could turn out to be a marriage made in heaven as far as the country is concerned. Fingers firmly crossed. But what if he is wrong? It would hardly be the first time after all. In fact, Regan has made a horrible habit of it down the years which is precisely why this blinkered pursuit of O’Neill should have the alarm bells clattering. Yes, in Regan’s defence, it is difficult to do anything other than admire O’Neill’s work with Northern Ireland. To qualify for Euro 2016 and then miss out on this summer’s World Cup because of a dodgy penalty in the play-offs against Switzerland, points to a pretty phenomenal achievement, especially given the shallow depths of the talent pool he has been dipping into over these past six years. He has gone about the job expertly, that much is not up for debate. Ironically, much like Strachan – a man he respects above all of the managers he ever worked under – O’Neill’s success is built on the strength of his relationship with his players. He will go the extra mile for them so long as they are willing to do the same for him in return. That’s the sort of quid pro quo that will go down well with the group that Strachan has left behind. Also, O’Neill comes across as a shrewd strategist and an intelligent, deep thinker too. Before he hung up his boots as a player he enrolled into the Open University, gaining a degree in finance before holding down a job in the industry as a consultant. One look at the kind of numbers on offer to him this week, both from Regan and from the Irish FA, proves just how astute he has been. He has already been offered a bomb-proof six-year contract worth around £4million by his current employers and, throughout this long drawn out process of finding a successor for Strachan, he has also played Regan and the SFA like a fiddle. No matter how his talks with the SFA go this week, O’Neill has rather masterfully manoeuvred himself into a no-lose situation, albeit with Regan’s unwitting assistance. By making it clear to all and sundry from day one that O’Neill was the only man for the job, Regan clumsily and needlessly backed himself into a corner. And now he has been boxed in there by the big-money on offer from Belfast. He’ll have to be prepared now to pay through the nose to stand any chance of luring O’Neill back across the water which is great news for the man on the other side of the negotiating table but a truly wretched position for Scotland to find itself in. Especially when the realisation dawns that this really is Michael O’Neill we are dealing with, not Pep Guardiola after all. Because there is another set of numbers which have to be taken into consideration before Regan hurtles headlong into these discussions - and they ought to provide the chief executive with reason to pause and reflect. Yes, O’Neill has worked wonders with Northern Ireland even if there’s a strong argument that he benefited from the luck of the Irish when the groups were pulled out of the big glass pots – the very kind of good fortune which seldom tends to befall those placed in charge of our own national team. But perhaps his most incredible achievement of all has been doing so with a win rate of just 34 per cent. In six years and over 55 games, O’Neill has secured just 19 victories. That’s the same number Strachan managed with Scotland over just four years and 40 games. In fact, Strachan’s win-rate with the national team stands at 48 per cent which is a better record than any Scotland boss who did actually qualify for a major tournament including the likes of Willie Ormand, Jock Stein and Craig Brown. Most worrying of all, it’s also significantly better than O’Neill’s success rate as Brechin manager when, over two years at Glebe Park, he won just 39 per cent of all games before being allowed to leave for Shamrock Rovers. He’s come a long way in the 10 years since, that’s for sure. He made history when he led Rovers into the Europa League in 2011 while also landing back-to-back domestic titles. If his stock was high at that point then it has been soaring almost ever since he stepped into the international arena. And now Regan has fallen for him. Hook, line and sinker. To such an extent, we are told, that O’Neill wishes to grill him rather than allow the conversation to be the other way around. If he does not like what he hears, or is not totally satisfied with the scale of his potential remit, then he may decide to stay put and trigger the extraordinary new contract which is already waiting for him inside his office drawer. A strong, decisive leader would do no more than wish him well and send him on his way. Having already placed all of his eggs in O’Neill’s basket, Regan will now have to tip toe on the shells knowing his own reputation is cracking. Lose out on O’Neill now and he’ll be left with nowhere to turn. Or stump up a small fortune for a manager who may yet prove to be a flash in the pan. Either way, there can be only one guaranteed winner here. And that will be Pep from Portadown. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/stewart-regan-cornered-himself-michael-11852253
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15 Jan 2018, 09:10 AM
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Ever since Gordon Strachan got the boot form the Scotland job the media have been lauding Michael O'Neil for the job. Telling them to get a move on and sign him up before he negotiate as new job with Norn Ireland and then complaining the SFA are taking to long. Now Keith Jackson is telling us that the SFA have concentrated on only O'Neil and should have looked elsewhere as well and that his International managerial record is not as good as Strachan's. Maybe he was hoping that eh would have rocked up at Ibrox in the summer? Stewart Regan has cornered himself with Michael O'Neill chase and better hope he doesn't get it wrong - Keith JacksonKeith believes the chase for O'Neill has shown Regan up and says it looks like he's been chasing Pep Guardiola with his approach. Spoiler: click to toggle ByKeith Jackson Is it just me or did anyone else miss the precise moment when Michael O’Neill morphed into the new Pep Guardiola? It must have happened some time, presumably in the last 10 years since he jumped the hedge to get out of Brechin, in the very same year that Pep was landing the top job at Barcelona. Granted, at the time back in 2008, those two events in two entirely different worlds may have seemed like a mere coincidence if they even registered in our collective consciences at all. But now – with the benefit of hindsight – it all begins to make perfect sense. Read More Michael O'Neill will interview SFA chiefs over Scotland job - not vice versa Think about it. One of these men was responsible for the blossoming of Lionel Messi. The other made an international striker out of Josh Magennis. Looking back, perhaps this was the particular miracle which swung it for Stewart Regan who has been angsting around the sixth floor of Hampden these last few months like some love sick teenager. Whatever the reason, O’Neill has worked such almighty wonders that the SFA’s chief executive now regards him as some sort of managerial messiah. The only possible answer to all of Scotland’s hitherto impossible questions. So utterly smitten has Regan become that when he gazes longingly into O’Neill’s Irish eyes at some point this week and pops the big question, in his own mind he’ll probably see an image of a Guardiola looking back at him from across the desk, all blushing smiles and fluttery eye-lashes. O’Neill might as well turn up for the interview in jeans and a Stone Island jumper because, as far as Regan appears to be concerned, he is the Gaelic embodiment of the swarthy, fashion-conscience Spaniard. SFA to hold talks with Michael O'Neill over vacant manager's job after agreeing compensation with Irish FA If, just this once, Regan’s judgement and instincts are correct and O’Neill really is the right man to replace Gordon Strachan then good luck to the both of them. It could turn out to be a marriage made in heaven as far as the country is concerned. Fingers firmly crossed. But what if he is wrong? It would hardly be the first time after all. In fact, Regan has made a horrible habit of it down the years which is precisely why this blinkered pursuit of O’Neill should have the alarm bells clattering. Yes, in Regan’s defence, it is difficult to do anything other than admire O’Neill’s work with Northern Ireland. To qualify for Euro 2016 and then miss out on this summer’s World Cup because of a dodgy penalty in the play-offs against Switzerland, points to a pretty phenomenal achievement, especially given the shallow depths of the talent pool he has been dipping into over these past six years. He has gone about the job expertly, that much is not up for debate. Ironically, much like Strachan – a man he respects above all of the managers he ever worked under – O’Neill’s success is built on the strength of his relationship with his players. He will go the extra mile for them so long as they are willing to do the same for him in return. That’s the sort of quid pro quo that will go down well with the group that Strachan has left behind. Also, O’Neill comes across as a shrewd strategist and an intelligent, deep thinker too. Before he hung up his boots as a player he enrolled into the Open University, gaining a degree in finance before holding down a job in the industry as a consultant. One look at the kind of numbers on offer to him this week, both from Regan and from the Irish FA, proves just how astute he has been. He has already been offered a bomb-proof six-year contract worth around £4million by his current employers and, throughout this long drawn out process of finding a successor for Strachan, he has also played Regan and the SFA like a fiddle. No matter how his talks with the SFA go this week, O’Neill has rather masterfully manoeuvred himself into a no-lose situation, albeit with Regan’s unwitting assistance. By making it clear to all and sundry from day one that O’Neill was the only man for the job, Regan clumsily and needlessly backed himself into a corner. And now he has been boxed in there by the big-money on offer from Belfast. He’ll have to be prepared now to pay through the nose to stand any chance of luring O’Neill back across the water which is great news for the man on the other side of the negotiating table but a truly wretched position for Scotland to find itself in. Especially when the realisation dawns that this really is Michael O’Neill we are dealing with, not Pep Guardiola after all. Because there is another set of numbers which have to be taken into consideration before Regan hurtles headlong into these discussions - and they ought to provide the chief executive with reason to pause and reflect. Yes, O’Neill has worked wonders with Northern Ireland even if there’s a strong argument that he benefited from the luck of the Irish when the groups were pulled out of the big glass pots – the very kind of good fortune which seldom tends to befall those placed in charge of our own national team. But perhaps his most incredible achievement of all has been doing so with a win rate of just 34 per cent. In six years and over 55 games, O’Neill has secured just 19 victories. That’s the same number Strachan managed with Scotland over just four years and 40 games. In fact, Strachan’s win-rate with the national team stands at 48 per cent which is a better record than any Scotland boss who did actually qualify for a major tournament including the likes of Willie Ormand, Jock Stein and Craig Brown. Most worrying of all, it’s also significantly better than O’Neill’s success rate as Brechin manager when, over two years at Glebe Park, he won just 39 per cent of all games before being allowed to leave for Shamrock Rovers. He’s come a long way in the 10 years since, that’s for sure. He made history when he led Rovers into the Europa League in 2011 while also landing back-to-back domestic titles. If his stock was high at that point then it has been soaring almost ever since he stepped into the international arena. And now Regan has fallen for him. Hook, line and sinker. To such an extent, we are told, that O’Neill wishes to grill him rather than allow the conversation to be the other way around. If he does not like what he hears, or is not totally satisfied with the scale of his potential remit, then he may decide to stay put and trigger the extraordinary new contract which is already waiting for him inside his office drawer. A strong, decisive leader would do no more than wish him well and send him on his way. Having already placed all of his eggs in O’Neill’s basket, Regan will now have to tip toe on the shells knowing his own reputation is cracking. Lose out on O’Neill now and he’ll be left with nowhere to turn. Or stump up a small fortune for a manager who may yet prove to be a flash in the pan. Either way, there can be only one guaranteed winner here. And that will be Pep from Portadown. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/stewart-regan-cornered-himself-michael-11852253 Oh no, they've just found out what school Michael went to
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15 Jan 2018, 07:58 PM
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Chick Young is making an absolute tit of himself on Sportsound tonight regarding Michael O’Neill and the Scotland job. Saying it’s a job for a McLeish or Souness.
No wonder we plumb the depths on the international stage when some in our media are consistently peddling this pish. Jobs for the boys.
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- san meegs
- 15 Jan 2018, 07:58 PM
Chick Young is making an absolute tit of himself on Sportsound tonight regarding Michael O’Neill and the Scotland job. Saying it’s a job for a McLeish or Souness.
No wonder we plumb the depths on the international stage when some in our media are consistently peddling this pish. Jobs for the boys. I'm not one hundred percent convinced about Michael O'Neil, but I am one hundred percent convinced on souey and pumpkin heid McLeish.
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15 Jan 2018, 08:27 PM
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- san meegs
- 15 Jan 2018, 07:58 PM
Chick Young is making an absolute tit of himself on Sportsound tonight regarding Michael O’Neill and the Scotland job. Saying it’s a job for a McLeish or Souness.
No wonder we plumb the depths on the international stage when some in our media are consistently peddling this pish. Jobs for the boys. Souness hasn't managed in 12 years ffs
Along with Jackson's article this morning it definitely seems like the hacks are against O'Neill.
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16 Jan 2018, 11:53 PM
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I'm detecting a coordinated campaign in the media to try and downplay the potential selling price of of our players (witness the recent comments by Dodds on Moussa) coupled with a downplaying of the transfer fee for players Sevco are trying to sign - there is a piece on the BBC website where Ayr Manager Ian McCall is stating that Jordan Jones is only worth half what Sevco have offered.
What the eff has the transfer fee of a Killie player wanted by Sevco got to do with the Ayr United manager? Why hasn't he commented on the potential signings of other clubs? The one thing there arseholes have in common is the club they used to play for and support. There is a clear agenda here. And it stinks.
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