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9 Dec 2017, 09:55 AM
Gary Ralston still polishing the Sevco turd, The hopes of McInnes operating at the highest level of England, which is surely an ambition, will have been enhanced by a move to Rangers, where the resources are greater and a route to the Champions League is more likely.

Was Derek McInnes' Rangers snub the right move for his career? Only time will tell - Ralston
The Aberdeen boss chose to remain in his post after a rollercoaster week of speculation - but was it the right call?
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I didn't realise Scotland were awarded 3 champs lge places from now on

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We've all had good reason to stick the boot into Tom English on many an occasion but his line last night, "Not even Hoopy the Huddle Hound running Rangers could damage them as much as the present board" was a classic piece of radio. :worthy:
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I don't mind english as much as some folk on here, in a lot of ways he's the best of a very bad bunch.
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I don't mind english as much as some folk on here, in a lot of ways he's the best of a very bad bunch.
agreed he's not the worst, but after saying in his BBC piece that he had checked the FF website, he should have mentioned the comments from the rangers fans, which were examples of the worst kinds of sectarianism
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I don't mind english as much as some folk on here, in a lot of ways he's the best of a very bad bunch.
agreed he's not the worst, but after saying in his BBC piece that he had checked the FF website, he should have mentioned the comments from the rangers fans, which were examples of the worst kinds of sectarianism
I agree that is disappointing,especially with the way he completely took to pieces rat masks open bigotry on bbc scotland,

In a lot of ways he would be the best man for the job.
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I don't mind english as much as some folk on here, in a lot of ways he's the best of a very bad bunch.
agreed he's not the worst, but after saying in his BBC piece that he had checked the FF website, he should have mentioned the comments from the rangers fans, which were examples of the worst kinds of sectarianism
I agree that is disappointing,especially with the way he completely took to pieces rat masks open bigotry on bbc scotland,

In a lot of ways he would be the best man for the job.
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Jim Spence looking up the hun arse.

Derek McInnes dodged a bullet by staying at Aberdeen FC, and turning down an approach by Rangers for their manager’s job.

Sadly, once it became clear that their target had rebuffed their well publicised interest, the Ibrox outfit showed a lack of class and humility in their press release, which suggested that the job may have been too big for the Dons boss.

It was a cheap and unedifying shot from a club who talk a lot about dignity, but badly misplaced it on this occasion.

Rangers are in serious danger of misunderstanding something quintessential about Scottish football. While at first glance our game thrives on rivalry and apparent small mindedness, peel the skin back and there is actually a grudging respect by most fans towards other clubs, even their greatest rivals.

Dundee, Dundee United, and St Johnstone fans may bait each other with wicked and cutting humour, but deep under the surface there is a mutual respect for the trials and tribulations each has gone through in their time, because all of us have known the tough times.

Most fans in Scottish football enjoy the very occasional cup win or triumph. Many, though, see none at all. The suffering of one is in fact the suffering of all. For all the antipathy on the surface, the majority of Scottish football fans have more in common than they might first admit.

Occasional glory, wistful historical successes, and wishful thinking for the future, is the lot of most of us. That shared experience binds us as common fans. Rangers though, have long been seen as excluding themselves from that common experience.

Their traditional war cry ‘We are the people’, by definition means the rest of us aren’t the chosen ones. Their belief that snapping their fingers would see Aberdeen’s resolve to keep their manager collapse, and McInnes rush to sign on at Ibrox, misjudged the mood of both.

It also revealed Rangers’ lack of grasp of their dramatically changed circumstances in recent times.

McInnes currently manages a financially astute club with a supportive chairman, and with a fan base which, while demanding, isn’t disengaged from reality. A failure to be matching Celtic after six months will not get him the sack as it may well have done in Govan.

Rangers’ aim in life is to be better than Celtic. In the current circumstances with the Parkhead outfit’s financial enormous lead over them, they are light years away from getting close.

A new reality is dawning for the light blues.

Their place in Scottish football seems set to be perennially second best to their old East End rivals, who now occupy a different and more exclusive football firmament, with practically guaranteed Champions League entry and the enviable wealth that accompanies it.

McInnes will undoubtedly move on from Aberdeen at some stage, and in the mind of some more critical Dons’ fans, the fact that he even contemplated leaving for Rangers may drive a wedge between them and their manager.

For the moment though, the Pittodrie boss has made a very wise and career enhancing decision to stay put in the Granite City.


https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/opinion/jim-spence/560472/jim-spence-derek-mcinnes-dodged-bullet-saying-no-rangers/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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9 Dec 2017, 01:50 PM
Jim Spence looking up the hun arse.

Derek McInnes dodged a bullet by staying at Aberdeen FC, and turning down an approach by Rangers for their manager’s job.

Sadly, once it became clear that their target had rebuffed their well publicised interest, the Ibrox outfit showed a lack of class and humility in their press release, which suggested that the job may have been too big for the Dons boss.

It was a cheap and unedifying shot from a club who talk a lot about dignity, but badly misplaced it on this occasion.

Rangers are in serious danger of misunderstanding something quintessential about Scottish football. While at first glance our game thrives on rivalry and apparent small mindedness, peel the skin back and there is actually a grudging respect by most fans towards other clubs, even their greatest rivals.

Dundee, Dundee United, and St Johnstone fans may bait each other with wicked and cutting humour, but deep under the surface there is a mutual respect for the trials and tribulations each has gone through in their time, because all of us have known the tough times.

Most fans in Scottish football enjoy the very occasional cup win or triumph. Many, though, see none at all. The suffering of one is in fact the suffering of all. For all the antipathy on the surface, the majority of Scottish football fans have more in common than they might first admit.

Occasional glory, wistful historical successes, and wishful thinking for the future, is the lot of most of us. That shared experience binds us as common fans. Rangers though, have long been seen as excluding themselves from that common experience.

Their traditional war cry ‘We are the people’, by definition means the rest of us aren’t the chosen ones. Their belief that snapping their fingers would see Aberdeen’s resolve to keep their manager collapse, and McInnes rush to sign on at Ibrox, misjudged the mood of both.

It also revealed Rangers’ lack of grasp of their dramatically changed circumstances in recent times.

McInnes currently manages a financially astute club with a supportive chairman, and with a fan base which, while demanding, isn’t disengaged from reality. A failure to be matching Celtic after six months will not get him the sack as it may well have done in Govan.

Rangers’ aim in life is to be better than Celtic. In the current circumstances with the Parkhead outfit’s financial enormous lead over them, they are light years away from getting close.

A new reality is dawning for the light blues.

Their place in Scottish football seems set to be perennially second best to their old East End rivals, who now occupy a different and more exclusive football firmament, with practically guaranteed Champions League entry and the enviable wealth that accompanies it.

McInnes will undoubtedly move on from Aberdeen at some stage, and in the mind of some more critical Dons’ fans, the fact that he even contemplated leaving for Rangers may drive a wedge between them and their manager.

For the moment though, the Pittodrie boss has made a very wise and career enhancing decision to stay put in the Granite City.


https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/opinion/jim-spence/560472/jim-spence-derek-mcinnes-dodged-bullet-saying-no-rangers/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Good article that. :thumbsup:
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I don't mind english as much as some folk on here, in a lot of ways he's the best of a very bad bunch.
agreed he's not the worst, but after saying in his BBC piece that he had checked the FF website, he should have mentioned the comments from the rangers fans, which were examples of the worst kinds of sectarianism
To be fair he did add "I don't usually go (to FF) because I know the sort of stuff that's on there"
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Chris Jack exclusively revealing that McInnes was indeed tapped up, ‘behind the scenes’?
http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/15712918.Rangers_left_furious_with_Aberdeen_boss_Derek_McInnes_after_Ibrox_U_turn/?ref=ebls
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Chris Jack exclusively revealing that McInnes was indeed tapped up, ‘behind the scenes’?
http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/15712918.Rangers_left_furious_with_Aberdeen_boss_Derek_McInnes_after_Ibrox_U_turn/?ref=ebls
The way it's framed is that McInnes approached them, so probably not. I can't imagine McInnes, or Milne for that matter are particularly interested in rocking that boat with the way things have panned out. Milne will want to keep McInnes happy, and McInnes will probably not want to burn any bridges just in case.
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Chris Jack exclusively revealing that McInnes was indeed tapped up, ‘behind the scenes’?
http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/15712918.Rangers_left_furious_with_Aberdeen_boss_Derek_McInnes_after_Ibrox_U_turn/?ref=ebls
So McInnes was keen to go? Sevco were going to double his salary, give him money for transfers in January and the summer, oh and already had a million for compensation to Aberdeen? Makes you wonder why Deek said no then. There's a story for you. Go find out, or are you just a bunch of lying bassa at the Herald.

More than likely Sevco wanted McInnes to walk away, yes there is a bit more money for you but any purchases will have to be offset against sales.
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Rangers statement about Aberdeen’s Derek McInnes is not big and not clever..even if they use words like concomitant, says Bill Leckie


The Gers six-week chase for a new boss almost came to an end last week however McInnes decided to stay at the Dons with Ibrox chiefs releasing a statement on the decision


But this is Rangers we’re talking about here. Anyone running around yelling that their attempts to demean Derek McInnes signposted some kind of new low has clearly spent a lifetime not paying attention.

Compare the other night’s Ibrox statement to close on a century of an employment policy based on religious apartheid.

Or to publicly shaking their heads at the poisonous megamix that spews from the stands every week, while privately tapping their feet.

Compare it to swearing unflinching loyalty to Her Majesty The Queen, except in the piffling matter of contributing to her department of Revenue and Customs.

Or celebrating their presence in two European finals with a riot.

In this perspective, a bitchy, anonymous press release about a manager who’s just knocked them back probably doesn’t even make their all-time Top Ten.


No, the only surprise about the reaction to McInnes was that this was Rangers giving it tight to one of their own.

It’s a sure sign that the walls are closing in at Castle Greyskull — and, in particular, on Dave King.

Somehow, whatever the debacle or disgrace, throughout history they’ve always managed to get the wagons in a circle, to get everyone from boardroom to Broomloan inside the tent p***ing out.

You were either with them or against them, even if what you were saying was said for their own good.

But this time, not even the beariest of Bears was taken in by a statement whose every syllable smacked of stress, screamed of a leadership floundering out of its depth.

Here was the buffoon who thinks he can snap his fingers at a waitress in a restaurant, then tries to get her sacked when she doesn’t come running. Not a nice person.

At which point, it has to be said that I thought McInnes WOULD end up going to Ibrox.

On Thursday morning, I’d written that he should be hugely worried about everything to do with the fiasco surrounding their interest in him, but that despite it all they would probably be too big a pull to resist.


So it’s to his massive credit that he had the cojones to get out of the tractor beam, that being a Rangers Man wasn’t enough to convince him he should be Rangers manager — not now, not under this board, not in this financial climate.

A proper club, a truly big club, would have taken this news with dignity, expressed their disappointment and vowed to move on. And, yes, they might also have found a snidey way to make it sound like McInnes wasn’t the be all and end all, that he’d only been one blip on their radar.

Dave King, though, isn’t big and — in this instance at least — he certainly hasn’t been clever, no matter how often he uses words that even make Stephen Fry sneak a quick shufty at the dictionary.

A lot’s been made about who wrote that Ibrox statement. Rangers do, after all, have their own in-house press officer as well as a contracted PR agency who loom over every spit and cough emitted by the club, so it would be reasonable to presume one or the other had their fingers on the keyboard for this one.

There’s that one key word, though — concomitant. It’s not only in the McInnes statement, it was also in King’s address to last year’s AGM.

Use it once, you’re a smartarse. Use it twice, you’re the love child of Hyacinth Bucket and Russell Brand and even they’re telling you to wind your neck in.



Which leaves me thinking it could only have come about one of two ways.

One, King took the statement out of the hands of the experts he pays to do these things, in which case nothing they do from now on carries any credibility.

Or two, the PR bods were responsible, but they had chugged so much Valium to dull the pain of the situation that the laptop went all blurry and they actually meant to type “incompetent”.

Because that’s what Rangers are — and it all comes from the top, from King.

He’s neither scattercash sugardaddy nor firm hand on the tiller, neither statesmanlike presence nor motivational maestro.

He has money, sure, but clearly not enough he can lay his hands on at a moment’s notice.


He has rich diehards in the background he can convince to write big cheques to fight the latest fire, but lacks the clout to attract the really big investor to take them forward.

In short, he seems to me more of a blockage to Rangers getting anywhere than he is a catalyst. Someone who, with a band of well-meaning blazers around him, was able to keep the club alive but plainly can’t do much more.

Everything this Rangers board does is reactive, a fact proved empirically (see, Dave, other people know pointlessly big words, too) by their hapless hunt for Caixinha’s replacement. They beat Hearts and Thistle in the first two games post-sacking, so they relax and decide they’ll get away with Graeme Murty in charge for the foreseeable.

Then they lose to Hamilton and Dundee and start running around like their hair’s on fire.





Then they wait to move for McInnes until after he’s lost to them twice in three days — then throw a hissy fit when he decides all of this and more is no basis for a successful relationship.

A performance which makes King’s high-handed, low-respect use of the word concomitant appear all the more ill-judged.

After all, it’s an adjective or noun used to describe the subject’s weighing up of the pitfalls and pressures of a given task and deciding if they’re worth it.

This is something Derek McInnes did, before coming to a conclusion few could argue with.

And maybe that’s what gets to Dave King most. The fact that someone else could think beyond their ego when it came to working with a basket case of a club.

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sp...aberdeen-derek-mcinnes-bill-leckie-statement/
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11 Dec 2017, 04:08 PM
"No, the only surprise about the reaction to McInnes was that this was Rangers giving it tight to one of their own.

It’s a sure sign that the walls are closing in at Castle Greyskull — and, in particular, on Dave King."
Did a journalist really write "Castle Greyskull"??
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Gary Ralston still polishing the Sevco turd, The hopes of McInnes operating at the highest level of England, which is surely an ambition, will have been enhanced by a move to Rangers, where the resources are greater and a route to the Champions League is more likely.

Was Derek McInnes' Rangers snub the right move for his career? Only time will tell - Ralston
The Aberdeen boss chose to remain in his post after a rollercoaster week of speculation - but was it the right call?
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Rangers statement about Aberdeen’s Derek McInnes is not big and not clever..even if they use words like concomitant, says Bill Leckie


The Gers six-week chase for a new boss almost came to an end last week however McInnes decided to stay at the Dons with Ibrox chiefs releasing a statement on the decision


But this is Rangers we’re talking about here. Anyone running around yelling that their attempts to demean Derek McInnes signposted some kind of new low has clearly spent a lifetime not paying attention.

Compare the other night’s Ibrox statement to close on a century of an employment policy based on religious apartheid.

Or to publicly shaking their heads at the poisonous megamix that spews from the stands every week, while privately tapping their feet.

Compare it to swearing unflinching loyalty to Her Majesty The Queen, except in the piffling matter of contributing to her department of Revenue and Customs.

Or celebrating their presence in two European finals with a riot.

In this perspective, a bitchy, anonymous press release about a manager who’s just knocked them back probably doesn’t even make their all-time Top Ten.


No, the only surprise about the reaction to McInnes was that this was Rangers giving it tight to one of their own.

It’s a sure sign that the walls are closing in at Castle Greyskull — and, in particular, on Dave King.

Somehow, whatever the debacle or disgrace, throughout history they’ve always managed to get the wagons in a circle, to get everyone from boardroom to Broomloan inside the tent p***ing out.

You were either with them or against them, even if what you were saying was said for their own good.

But this time, not even the beariest of Bears was taken in by a statement whose every syllable smacked of stress, screamed of a leadership floundering out of its depth.

Here was the buffoon who thinks he can snap his fingers at a waitress in a restaurant, then tries to get her sacked when she doesn’t come running. Not a nice person.

At which point, it has to be said that I thought McInnes WOULD end up going to Ibrox.

On Thursday morning, I’d written that he should be hugely worried about everything to do with the fiasco surrounding their interest in him, but that despite it all they would probably be too big a pull to resist.


So it’s to his massive credit that he had the cojones to get out of the tractor beam, that being a Rangers Man wasn’t enough to convince him he should be Rangers manager — not now, not under this board, not in this financial climate.

A proper club, a truly big club, would have taken this news with dignity, expressed their disappointment and vowed to move on. And, yes, they might also have found a snidey way to make it sound like McInnes wasn’t the be all and end all, that he’d only been one blip on their radar.

Dave King, though, isn’t big and — in this instance at least — he certainly hasn’t been clever, no matter how often he uses words that even make Stephen Fry sneak a quick shufty at the dictionary.

A lot’s been made about who wrote that Ibrox statement. Rangers do, after all, have their own in-house press officer as well as a contracted PR agency who loom over every spit and cough emitted by the club, so it would be reasonable to presume one or the other had their fingers on the keyboard for this one.

There’s that one key word, though — concomitant. It’s not only in the McInnes statement, it was also in King’s address to last year’s AGM.

Use it once, you’re a smartarse. Use it twice, you’re the love child of Hyacinth Bucket and Russell Brand and even they’re telling you to wind your neck in.



Which leaves me thinking it could only have come about one of two ways.

One, King took the statement out of the hands of the experts he pays to do these things, in which case nothing they do from now on carries any credibility.

Or two, the PR bods were responsible, but they had chugged so much Valium to dull the pain of the situation that the laptop went all blurry and they actually meant to type “incompetent”.

Because that’s what Rangers are — and it all comes from the top, from King.

He’s neither scattercash sugardaddy nor firm hand on the tiller, neither statesmanlike presence nor motivational maestro.

He has money, sure, but clearly not enough he can lay his hands on at a moment’s notice.


He has rich diehards in the background he can convince to write big cheques to fight the latest fire, but lacks the clout to attract the really big investor to take them forward.

In short, he seems to me more of a blockage to Rangers getting anywhere than he is a catalyst. Someone who, with a band of well-meaning blazers around him, was able to keep the club alive but plainly can’t do much more.

Everything this Rangers board does is reactive, a fact proved empirically (see, Dave, other people know pointlessly big words, too) by their hapless hunt for Caixinha’s replacement. They beat Hearts and Thistle in the first two games post-sacking, so they relax and decide they’ll get away with Graeme Murty in charge for the foreseeable.

Then they lose to Hamilton and Dundee and start running around like their hair’s on fire.





Then they wait to move for McInnes until after he’s lost to them twice in three days — then throw a hissy fit when he decides all of this and more is no basis for a successful relationship.

A performance which makes King’s high-handed, low-respect use of the word concomitant appear all the more ill-judged.

After all, it’s an adjective or noun used to describe the subject’s weighing up of the pitfalls and pressures of a given task and deciding if they’re worth it.

This is something Derek McInnes did, before coming to a conclusion few could argue with.

And maybe that’s what gets to Dave King most. The fact that someone else could think beyond their ego when it came to working with a basket case of a club.

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sp...aberdeen-derek-mcinnes-bill-leckie-statement/
I had to check the Sun on line to be sure that wasn't a whoosh. Need to disinfect my computer now.
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11 Dec 2017, 04:08 PM
"No, the only surprise about the reaction to McInnes was that this was Rangers giving it tight to one of their own.

It’s a sure sign that the walls are closing in at Castle Greyskull — and, in particular, on Dave King."
Did a journalist really write "Castle Greyskull"??
huns on FF have got the pitchforks out as its clearly a dig at the ibrox disaster :cuckoo:

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andy6
11 Dec 2017, 04:08 PM
"No, the only surprise about the reaction to McInnes was that this was Rangers giving it tight to one of their own.

It’s a sure sign that the walls are closing in at Castle Greyskull — and, in particular, on Dave King."
Did a journalist really write "Castle Greyskull"??
huns on FF have got the pitchforks out as its clearly a dig at the ibrox disaster :cuckoo:

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