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johncfc
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20 Nov 2017, 12:01 AM
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I wonder I feel any of her colleagues on the force feel the same sympathy for all the football supporters who have lost jobs for similar banter in the stands?
They've got a cheek playing the sympathy card.
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20 Nov 2017, 12:09 AM
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The fact that a police officer in her high position should come out with this stuff tells you everything. She obviously thought that she COULD say this AND feel comfortable within the confines of Police Scotland and that alone is damning. That the Scottish media and MANY of her colleagues are up in arms at her 'punishment' is another profound statement and reality check on Scotland in the 21st century.
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20 Nov 2017, 12:19 AM
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The worst part of this story is that the person who made the complaint is getting bullied by their colleagues for exposing the bigot. Shows how rotten Police Scotland is.
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20 Nov 2017, 12:52 AM
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Too many measured responses for me................. Get it right royally up ye, ya bigoted cow!! That's for every Celtic fan that's been targeted by your lets get the Tims bill!! Roon ye
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20 Nov 2017, 12:53 AM
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The fact that a police officer in her high position should come out with this stuff tells you everything. She obviously thought that she COULD say this AND feel comfortable within the confines of Police Scotland and that alone is damning. That the Scottish media and MANY of her colleagues are up in arms at her 'punishment' is another profound statement and reality check on Scotland in the 21st century. Police Scotland isn't alone in that regard unfortunately.
Great post.
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20 Nov 2017, 01:13 AM
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The fact that a police officer in her high position should come out with this stuff tells you everything. She obviously thought that she COULD say this AND feel comfortable within the confines of Police Scotland and that alone is damning. That the Scottish media and MANY of her colleagues are up in arms at her 'punishment' is another profound statement and reality check on Scotland in the 21st century. Only surprise was they didn't promote the reptile - they would have 20 years ago
The fact the victim has had to be moved say's it all
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20 Nov 2017, 03:25 AM
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She'll win the appeal and no doubt get triple promoted amidst all the chaos and infighting at Police Scotland.
Kinda like the SFA...
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20 Nov 2017, 06:55 AM
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Another sob story from a person who is only sorry they get caught out. Absolutely no sympathy for her. A row over a Celtic cake saw Rangers fan Ruth Gilfillan demoted from rank of Detective Chief InspectorSpoiler: click to toggle A row over a Celtic cake saw Rangers fan Ruth Gilfillan demoted from rank of Detective Chief Inspector A senior detective at the centre of a religious bigotry row has been demoted to constable after an inquiry. Detective Chief Inspector Ruth Gilfillan was one of Police Scotland’s most highly rated rising stars at the time of the incident in August 2015. But after a colleague complained about a sectarian remark, she has lost three ranks and faces a massive financial penalty. Friends say that she has been “absolutely devastated” by the demotion ruling. At the time of the incident, mother-of-four Gilfillan was head of Police Scotland’s human trafficking unit. The 45-year-old law and politics graduate will see her salary plummet from £55,000 a year to £38,000. And it means she could lose as much as £100,000 in future pension payments when she retires. The row erupted after one of a group of colleagues in her company had a Celtic birthday cake. Gilfillan exchanged banter about refusing to eat the detective’s cake. Top police officer charged with bigot slur crime after an argument with a colleague But she was also accused of making a joke about children being at risk of abuse in Catholic schools. She was informed of the demotion decision at a disciplinary hearing earlier this month. Gilfillan refused to comment but a friend said: “She is devastated by the decision and is struggling to come to terms with it. “She understands that what she said was wrong and she is extremely apologetic. “She wanted to say sorry in person to her fellow officer at the outset but was advised not to by the people carrying out the investigation. “Ruth Gilfillan is highly respected as a detective by people she has worked with from all religious backgrounds. She is almost universally popular. “The remark that she made was wrong but Ruth and the majority of her colleagues believe the punishment was excessive. “There is also disquiet about the way the investigation was carried out, with the deliberation taking just over an hour.” Gilfillan initially faced a criminal charge but that was dropped and she did not appear in court. It is understood the charge against her at the disciplinary hearing was conduct unbecoming of a police officer. The Scottish Police Federation said yesterday that they plan to appeal the decision by senior officers to demote her. The row has caused a rift between officers, with many of Gilfillan’s colleagues believing she has been harshly treated. The colleague who made the complaint has been relocated following a backlash from other officers. Another source said: “It is a really bad case and has caused a real split among a group of officers who were very close. “The person who made the complaint has suffered as well in career terms. “It is understandable that a complaint was made. But the feeling is that it could have been handled better. “Ruth is a big Rangers fan and everyone in the force is aware of this. “Ruth apologised and was deeply sorry. “She regularly worked 80 hours a week and was involved in numerous murder inquiries. “This is an officer who has been dedicated to her job. “She accepts that what she said was wrong but her punishment is too severe.” Gilfillan led a team of officers who targeted prostitution and modern-day slavery and has been involved in operations against firms and individuals who are suspected of using smuggled workers. While at the helm, she changed how the force dealt with people trafficking and made Police Scotland proactively identify victims while targeting organised crime groups. She also introduced a policy that women working in the sex industry were no longer to be automatically arrested. She has been ordered out of the elite Scottish Crime Campus in Gartcosh, Lanarkshire, and is thought to be performing administrative duties at the force’s HQ in Glasgow’s Dalmarnock. Another source said: “Ruth made a difference while she was a detective. “She worked hard and was always willing to learn. Ruth is a tough cop and had her run-ins with other officers over the years.” Police Scotland have repeatedly stated their determination to tackle sectarian abuse and offensive behaviour. A Crown Office spokesman said yesterday: “The procurator fiscal received a report concerning a 43-year-old woman in relation to an alleged incident on August 20, 2015. “After careful consideration of all of the available evidence, Crown counsel instructed that there was insufficient evidence in law to take criminal proceedings in the case.” It is understood that after prosecution was ruled out, the Crown Office then referred the case back to senior officers at Police Scotland for possible disciplinary action. David Kennedy, deputy general secretary of the Scottish Police Federation, said yesterday: “The Scottish Police Federation will be appealing the decision on behalf of Constable Ruth Gilfillan.” It is understood that Gilfillan’s appeal will be heard by an assistant chief constable within the next 60 days. If the decision is upheld, she can then take her challenge against the demotion to the police appeals tribunal. Police Scotland said last night: “This matter remains a live internal conduct process and as such, it would be inappropriate to comment further.” The allegations against Gilfillan were investigated by the Police Scotland Professional Standards Unit (PSU). They are responsible for probing allegations of misconduct by police officers and support staff. The PSU also investigate complaints made by the public about officers and handle cases where potential criminal behaviour has already been established. Their role is different from that of the controversial former Counter Corruption Unit, now called the Anti-Corruption Unit. They investigate allegations against officers and police staff suspected of being involved in criminal behaviour or organised crime. After the allegation of sectarianism was made against Gilfillan, all witnesses to the alleged remarks were interviewed. http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/devastated-top-cops-career-tatters-11545665- Quote:
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The 45-year-old law and politics graduate will see her salary plummet from £55,000 a year to £38,000.
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It is understood the charge against her at the disciplinary hearing was conduct unbecoming of a police officer.
And she was found guilty, aye? So why is she still a police officer? It's okay for constables to make anti-Catholic jibes about paedophilia and collect 38K a year?
Not only should she be drummed out of the force completely but every one of her colleagues who has complained that her demotion is an excessive punishment should also face an assessment of their suitability for the job. It's pretty clear that she's far from being the only one whose conduct is unbecoming of a police officer.
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20 Nov 2017, 08:16 AM
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Another sob story from a person who is only sorry they get caught out. Absolutely no sympathy for her. A row over a Celtic cake saw Rangers fan Ruth Gilfillan demoted from rank of Detective Chief InspectorSpoiler: click to toggle A row over a Celtic cake saw Rangers fan Ruth Gilfillan demoted from rank of Detective Chief Inspector A senior detective at the centre of a religious bigotry row has been demoted to constable after an inquiry. Detective Chief Inspector Ruth Gilfillan was one of Police Scotland’s most highly rated rising stars at the time of the incident in August 2015. But after a colleague complained about a sectarian remark, she has lost three ranks and faces a massive financial penalty. Friends say that she has been “absolutely devastated” by the demotion ruling. At the time of the incident, mother-of-four Gilfillan was head of Police Scotland’s human trafficking unit. The 45-year-old law and politics graduate will see her salary plummet from £55,000 a year to £38,000. And it means she could lose as much as £100,000 in future pension payments when she retires. The row erupted after one of a group of colleagues in her company had a Celtic birthday cake. Gilfillan exchanged banter about refusing to eat the detective’s cake. Top police officer charged with bigot slur crime after an argument with a colleague But she was also accused of making a joke about children being at risk of abuse in Catholic schools. She was informed of the demotion decision at a disciplinary hearing earlier this month. Gilfillan refused to comment but a friend said: “She is devastated by the decision and is struggling to come to terms with it. “She understands that what she said was wrong and she is extremely apologetic. “She wanted to say sorry in person to her fellow officer at the outset but was advised not to by the people carrying out the investigation. “Ruth Gilfillan is highly respected as a detective by people she has worked with from all religious backgrounds. She is almost universally popular. “The remark that she made was wrong but Ruth and the majority of her colleagues believe the punishment was excessive. “There is also disquiet about the way the investigation was carried out, with the deliberation taking just over an hour.” Gilfillan initially faced a criminal charge but that was dropped and she did not appear in court. It is understood the charge against her at the disciplinary hearing was conduct unbecoming of a police officer. The Scottish Police Federation said yesterday that they plan to appeal the decision by senior officers to demote her. The row has caused a rift between officers, with many of Gilfillan’s colleagues believing she has been harshly treated. The colleague who made the complaint has been relocated following a backlash from other officers. Another source said: “It is a really bad case and has caused a real split among a group of officers who were very close. “The person who made the complaint has suffered as well in career terms. “It is understandable that a complaint was made. But the feeling is that it could have been handled better. “Ruth is a big Rangers fan and everyone in the force is aware of this. “Ruth apologised and was deeply sorry. “She regularly worked 80 hours a week and was involved in numerous murder inquiries. “This is an officer who has been dedicated to her job. “She accepts that what she said was wrong but her punishment is too severe.” Gilfillan led a team of officers who targeted prostitution and modern-day slavery and has been involved in operations against firms and individuals who are suspected of using smuggled workers. While at the helm, she changed how the force dealt with people trafficking and made Police Scotland proactively identify victims while targeting organised crime groups. She also introduced a policy that women working in the sex industry were no longer to be automatically arrested. She has been ordered out of the elite Scottish Crime Campus in Gartcosh, Lanarkshire, and is thought to be performing administrative duties at the force’s HQ in Glasgow’s Dalmarnock. Another source said: “Ruth made a difference while she was a detective. “She worked hard and was always willing to learn. Ruth is a tough cop and had her run-ins with other officers over the years.” Police Scotland have repeatedly stated their determination to tackle sectarian abuse and offensive behaviour. A Crown Office spokesman said yesterday: “The procurator fiscal received a report concerning a 43-year-old woman in relation to an alleged incident on August 20, 2015. “After careful consideration of all of the available evidence, Crown counsel instructed that there was insufficient evidence in law to take criminal proceedings in the case.” It is understood that after prosecution was ruled out, the Crown Office then referred the case back to senior officers at Police Scotland for possible disciplinary action. David Kennedy, deputy general secretary of the Scottish Police Federation, said yesterday: “The Scottish Police Federation will be appealing the decision on behalf of Constable Ruth Gilfillan.” It is understood that Gilfillan’s appeal will be heard by an assistant chief constable within the next 60 days. If the decision is upheld, she can then take her challenge against the demotion to the police appeals tribunal. Police Scotland said last night: “This matter remains a live internal conduct process and as such, it would be inappropriate to comment further.” The allegations against Gilfillan were investigated by the Police Scotland Professional Standards Unit (PSU). They are responsible for probing allegations of misconduct by police officers and support staff. The PSU also investigate complaints made by the public about officers and handle cases where potential criminal behaviour has already been established. Their role is different from that of the controversial former Counter Corruption Unit, now called the Anti-Corruption Unit. They investigate allegations against officers and police staff suspected of being involved in criminal behaviour or organised crime. After the allegation of sectarianism was made against Gilfillan, all witnesses to the alleged remarks were interviewed. http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/devastated-top-cops-career-tatters-11545665- Quote:
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The 45-year-old law and politics graduate will see her salary plummet from £55,000 a year to £38,000.
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It is understood the charge against her at the disciplinary hearing was conduct unbecoming of a police officer.
And she was found guilty, aye? So why is she still a police officer? It's okay for constables to make anti-Catholic jibes about paedophilia and collect 38K a year? Not only should she be drummed out of the force completely but every one of her colleagues who has complained that her demotion is an excessive punishment should also face an assessment of their suitability for the job. It's pretty clear that she's far from being the only one whose conduct is unbecoming of a police officer. There was a guy in the papers the other week, a shop steward I think, who had said something similar and was sacked after about 28yrs in the job.
She should have been sacked as well. As others have said the media, well the DR who ran the story, have been trivialising it.
The front of the DR was a picture of her with the Cektic and rangers club crests in the background and a celtic cake in the foreground.
What they shoudl have been highlighting is the references to catholic schools and paedophilia rather than the implication thaat she woudln't eat a bit of a Celtic cake.
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20 Nov 2017, 08:44 AM
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Another sob story from a person who is only sorry they get caught out. Absolutely no sympathy for her. A row over a Celtic cake saw Rangers fan Ruth Gilfillan demoted from rank of Detective Chief InspectorSpoiler: click to toggle A row over a Celtic cake saw Rangers fan Ruth Gilfillan demoted from rank of Detective Chief Inspector A senior detective at the centre of a religious bigotry row has been demoted to constable after an inquiry. Detective Chief Inspector Ruth Gilfillan was one of Police Scotland’s most highly rated rising stars at the time of the incident in August 2015. But after a colleague complained about a sectarian remark, she has lost three ranks and faces a massive financial penalty. Friends say that she has been “absolutely devastated” by the demotion ruling. At the time of the incident, mother-of-four Gilfillan was head of Police Scotland’s human trafficking unit. The 45-year-old law and politics graduate will see her salary plummet from £55,000 a year to £38,000. And it means she could lose as much as £100,000 in future pension payments when she retires. The row erupted after one of a group of colleagues in her company had a Celtic birthday cake. Gilfillan exchanged banter about refusing to eat the detective’s cake. Top police officer charged with bigot slur crime after an argument with a colleague But she was also accused of making a joke about children being at risk of abuse in Catholic schools. She was informed of the demotion decision at a disciplinary hearing earlier this month. Gilfillan refused to comment but a friend said: “She is devastated by the decision and is struggling to come to terms with it. “She understands that what she said was wrong and she is extremely apologetic. “She wanted to say sorry in person to her fellow officer at the outset but was advised not to by the people carrying out the investigation. “Ruth Gilfillan is highly respected as a detective by people she has worked with from all religious backgrounds. She is almost universally popular. “The remark that she made was wrong but Ruth and the majority of her colleagues believe the punishment was excessive. “There is also disquiet about the way the investigation was carried out, with the deliberation taking just over an hour.” Gilfillan initially faced a criminal charge but that was dropped and she did not appear in court. It is understood the charge against her at the disciplinary hearing was conduct unbecoming of a police officer. The Scottish Police Federation said yesterday that they plan to appeal the decision by senior officers to demote her. The row has caused a rift between officers, with many of Gilfillan’s colleagues believing she has been harshly treated. The colleague who made the complaint has been relocated following a backlash from other officers. Another source said: “It is a really bad case and has caused a real split among a group of officers who were very close. “The person who made the complaint has suffered as well in career terms. “It is understandable that a complaint was made. But the feeling is that it could have been handled better. “Ruth is a big Rangers fan and everyone in the force is aware of this. “Ruth apologised and was deeply sorry. “She regularly worked 80 hours a week and was involved in numerous murder inquiries. “This is an officer who has been dedicated to her job. “She accepts that what she said was wrong but her punishment is too severe.” Gilfillan led a team of officers who targeted prostitution and modern-day slavery and has been involved in operations against firms and individuals who are suspected of using smuggled workers. While at the helm, she changed how the force dealt with people trafficking and made Police Scotland proactively identify victims while targeting organised crime groups. She also introduced a policy that women working in the sex industry were no longer to be automatically arrested. She has been ordered out of the elite Scottish Crime Campus in Gartcosh, Lanarkshire, and is thought to be performing administrative duties at the force’s HQ in Glasgow’s Dalmarnock. Another source said: “Ruth made a difference while she was a detective. “She worked hard and was always willing to learn. Ruth is a tough cop and had her run-ins with other officers over the years.” Police Scotland have repeatedly stated their determination to tackle sectarian abuse and offensive behaviour. A Crown Office spokesman said yesterday: “The procurator fiscal received a report concerning a 43-year-old woman in relation to an alleged incident on August 20, 2015. “After careful consideration of all of the available evidence, Crown counsel instructed that there was insufficient evidence in law to take criminal proceedings in the case.” It is understood that after prosecution was ruled out, the Crown Office then referred the case back to senior officers at Police Scotland for possible disciplinary action. David Kennedy, deputy general secretary of the Scottish Police Federation, said yesterday: “The Scottish Police Federation will be appealing the decision on behalf of Constable Ruth Gilfillan.” It is understood that Gilfillan’s appeal will be heard by an assistant chief constable within the next 60 days. If the decision is upheld, she can then take her challenge against the demotion to the police appeals tribunal. Police Scotland said last night: “This matter remains a live internal conduct process and as such, it would be inappropriate to comment further.” The allegations against Gilfillan were investigated by the Police Scotland Professional Standards Unit (PSU). They are responsible for probing allegations of misconduct by police officers and support staff. The PSU also investigate complaints made by the public about officers and handle cases where potential criminal behaviour has already been established. Their role is different from that of the controversial former Counter Corruption Unit, now called the Anti-Corruption Unit. They investigate allegations against officers and police staff suspected of being involved in criminal behaviour or organised crime. After the allegation of sectarianism was made against Gilfillan, all witnesses to the alleged remarks were interviewed. http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/devastated-top-cops-career-tatters-11545665Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
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It is understood the charge against her at the disciplinary hearing was conduct unbecoming of a police officer.
And she was found guilty, aye? So why is she still a police officer? It's okay for constables to make anti-Catholic jibes about paedophilia and collect 38K a year? Not only should she be drummed out of the force completely but every one of her colleagues who has complained that her demotion is an excessive punishment should also face an assessment of their suitability for the job. It's pretty clear that she's far from being the only one whose conduct is unbecoming of a police officer.
There was a guy in the papers the other week, a shop steward I think, who had said something similar and was sacked after about 28yrs in the job. She should have been sacked as well. As others have said the media, well the DR who ran the story, have been trivialising it. The front of the DR was a picture of her with the Cektic and rangers club crests in the background and a celtic cake in the foreground. What they shoudl have been highlighting is the references to catholic schools and paedophilia rather than the implication thaat she woudln't eat a bit of a Celtic cake. Exactly.
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20 Nov 2017, 09:07 AM
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Police Scotland are showing here that child abuse and anti catholic rhetoric are nothing but a laughing matter.
I wonder how all the victims of said abuse feel about this?
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Lost all trust in the polis after the Miners strike.
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Lost all trust in the polis after the Miners strike. I lost all trust in them (Maryhill Polis) when 4 of them kicked the sh!t out of me for playing footie in the park, took me into police courtyard , cowards !
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In two minds about this - she should absolutely have the book thrown at her but human trafficking is a real problem and if she's as good/innovative as they suggest then it's a shame that her hate fuelled stupidity impacts on that.
It's also an outrage that the officer who complained should suffer in any way.
Human trafficking has at it’s heart the exploitation of the most vulnerable in society. She is a supposed expert in the misery and criminality of that exploitation. She, of all people, should realise and be nowhere near the abhorrent perpetrators of the paedo narrative. In 2 minds? Appears pretty unequivocal to me. This. Cannot understand why anyone would think any differently. The paedo patter from Huns is the absolute lowest
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Lost all trust in the polis after the Miners strike.
I lost all trust in them (Maryhill Polis) when 4 of them kicked the sh!t out of me for playing footie in the park, took me into police courtyard , cowards ! Yip.
Got smashed by a big fat ginger bastard of a copper when i was only around 11/12
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Lost all trust in the polis after the Miners strike. Same for me.
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In two minds about this - she should absolutely have the book thrown at her but human trafficking is a real problem and if she's as good/innovative as they suggest then it's a shame that her hate fuelled stupidity impacts on that.
It's also an outrage that the officer who complained should suffer in any way.
Human trafficking has at it’s heart the exploitation of the most vulnerable in society. She is a supposed expert in the misery and criminality of that exploitation. She, of all people, should realise and be nowhere near the abhorrent perpetrators of the paedo narrative. In 2 minds? Appears pretty unequivocal to me.
This. Cannot understand why anyone would think any differently. The paedo patter from Huns is the absolute lowest I made it clear she should have the book thrown at her for this and I have zero sympathy for her - and it's appalling that the cop who drew attention to this should suffer in any way. But on the off chance that she's actually as good at her job as they claim, then it's a shame. Not for her sake but for any victims of human trafficking she might have been able to help. It's not exactly complicated, it's basic humanity.
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This. Cannot understand why anyone would think any differently. The paedo patter from Huns is the absolute lowest
I made it clear she should have the book thrown at her for this and I have zero sympathy for her - and it's appalling that the cop who drew attention to this should suffer in any way. But on the off chance that she's actually as good at her job as they claim, then it's a shame. Not for her sake but for any victims of human trafficking she might have been able to help. It's not exactly complicated, it's basic humanity. I imagine Harvey Weinstein was good at his job, do you think it's a shame he's going to be losing his?
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Brucebhoy
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20 Nov 2017, 10:57 AM
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- justinjest
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- 20 Nov 2017, 10:39 AM
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- 20 Nov 2017, 10:10 AM
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I made it clear she should have the book thrown at her for this and I have zero sympathy for her - and it's appalling that the cop who drew attention to this should suffer in any way. But on the off chance that she's actually as good at her job as they claim, then it's a shame. Not for her sake but for any victims of human trafficking she might have been able to help. It's not exactly complicated, it's basic humanity.
I imagine Harvey Weinstein was good at his job, do you think it's a shame he's going to be losing his? Anything else to offer other than a really stupid comparison?
Or to put it another way, Quentin Tarantino was able to dictate his terms to get Sony to make his next film. The young women being trafficked don't have a comparable option.
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Joe the Baker
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20 Nov 2017, 11:01 AM
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It feels like yesterday... I wish it was tomorrow.
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- tenerifetim
- 20 Nov 2017, 09:58 AM
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- 20 Nov 2017, 09:40 AM
Lost all trust in the polis after the Miners strike.
I lost all trust in them (Maryhill Polis) when 4 of them kicked the sh!t out of me for playing footie in the park, took me into police courtyard , cowards ! I got a real doing from two of them in a cell in Dunfermline nick about 20 years ago.
I was just a daft wee laddie. The two carrots denied everything of course and eff all happened.
I despise them. Biggest crooks in the country. Every single one of them.
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