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The Media
Topic Started: 1 Nov 2017, 11:12 PM (581,191 Views)
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Ok, the paradise papers run to millions of pages, but apparently the only ones the BBC in Scotland wants to run with are DD and some Mrs Brown actors.
To me the biggest tax story on a UK basis is HRH and the Duchy of Cornwall's practices given how much money has been pumped into the royal family over the years.
Similarly the lack of any politician commenting on any royal tax dodging in this age of austerity speaks volumes, compare this to the constant chatter from all and sundry about a huge and diverse range of sexual and power abuses.
You would almost think that the party that sold the UK Brexit is successfully misdirecting the UK again with its biggest ally the BBC.

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Mark Daly justifying his slant on the article - :rubeyes:

Mark Daly‏Verified account @BBCMarkDaly

Mark Daly Retweeted Huge Ackman

Ok...In the Paradise Papers data? ✅ Aggressive tax avoidance alleged? ✅ Relevance to Scottish audience? ✅ Is that clear enough?

Just one question - which Scottish audience does the "Relevance" appeal to ? :suspect:
Having a go at DD is fair game , using Celtic link and filming at Celtic Park the way he did was for one motive only and he deserves all the criticism he gets ! :ph43r:
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tenerifetim
12 Nov 2017, 10:22 AM
Mark Daly justifying his slant on the article - :rubeyes:

Mark Daly‏Verified account @BBCMarkDaly

Mark Daly Retweeted Huge Ackman

Ok...In the Paradise Papers data? ✅ Aggressive tax avoidance alleged? ✅ Relevance to Scottish audience? ✅ Is that clear enough?

Just one question - which Scottish audience does the "Relevance" appeal to ? :suspect:
Having a go at DD is fair game , using Celtic link and filming at Celtic Park the way he did was for one motive only and he deserves all the criticism he gets ! :ph43r:
The relevance obviously appeals to lots of posters on here, given that it's being discussed a fair bit in its own right (as distinct from the media chat).
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12 Nov 2017, 10:29 AM
tenerifetim
12 Nov 2017, 10:22 AM
Mark Daly justifying his slant on the article - :rubeyes:

Mark Daly‏Verified account @BBCMarkDaly

Mark Daly Retweeted Huge Ackman

Ok...In the Paradise Papers data? ✅ Aggressive tax avoidance alleged? ✅ Relevance to Scottish audience? ✅ Is that clear enough?

Just one question - which Scottish audience does the "Relevance" appeal to ? :suspect:
Having a go at DD is fair game , using Celtic link and filming at Celtic Park the way he did was for one motive only and he deserves all the criticism he gets ! :ph43r:
The relevance obviously appeals to lots of posters on here, given that it's being discussed a fair bit in its own right (as distinct from the media chat).
The Relevance on here is that he now is the story and his motives for framing the article the way it is IMO !
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The story is only of relevance in a country whose only way of dealing with its permafrost of anti-Catholic and anti-Irish bigotry is to pretend that it's two cheeks of the same arse.

There was only one reason for Daly and BBC Scotland to pick out Desmond's name from the hundreds mentioned and we all know what it is. €1m of Swiss VAT avoided over three years by a company in which he is a shareholder? Stop the press!! :lol:
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Desmond didn't register at all on the BBC national news, unlike three cast members of Mrs Brown's Boys.

There was one reason, and one reason only, why this story appeared on BBC Scotland, and was actually reported during the midweek Sportsound programme.
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12 Nov 2017, 12:43 PM
Desmond didn't register at all on the BBC national news, unlike three cast members of Mrs Brown's Boys.

There was one reason, and one reason only, why this story appeared on BBC Scotland, and was actually reported during the midweek Sportsound programme.
The same reason why non-football stories about James Forrest, Leigh Griffiths, Craig Gordon, etc are all reported and discussed.

There's an audience for "personal" news stories about people involved in Celtic and Rangers.
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I had thought Mark Daly as a journalist of some integrity, in the Spiersy mould somewhat, but he has allowed himself to be used in some tawdry smear campaign against Dermot Desmond and Celtic.
That Daly allowed himself to be used in that fashion has changed my view of him completely. Dermot's letter to him gave a very clear warning re. the consequences for him and indeed the BBC if they continue to peddle this muck. There has not been a peep out of him or the BBC since other than to publish the content of Dermot's letter and my guess is that they'll continue to zip it.
Daly himself must feel a bit of a carrot. There is no follow up to his story. He confronted Dermot in public as though he was exposing something like the Watergate scandal only to be told to keep his trap shut, or face the legal consequences. What a fud. Could never take him seriously as an investigative journalist again.
I disagree with just about every word of that post.

He pointed out that Dermot had been avoiding tax - quite legally as have various others who Daly made mention in a full documentary yesterday. What Dermot didn't do when confronted was just admit it.

There is no add on. I assume Daly got DD's letter before the programme went out. But they still went ahead and broadcast it. there is no add on to the others who tax details were revealed - no one was accused of behaving illegally.

RTC, the guy who did actually break the EBT story, was fulsome in his praise of Mark Daly at the time of his second Rangers documentary (the first one exposed Craig Whyte's previous ban as a director), describing him - if my memory serves me correctly - as the best investigative journalist in the country.

What I do find strange however is Sportsound doing a piece on it. As the likes of Ned Rise posted this story is nowt to do with the actual game and Celtic do not benefit in any way by DD's tax arrangements.
If Daly is going to start confronting people in public and challenge them about their lawful business practices I think he would very quickly find himself in a police station with en suite facilities.
The manner of the approach on DD was aggressive and it was an ambush. I think people confronted in that way in public may have a complaint which would interest the Procurator Fiscal.
I think journalists who take that approach should have irrefutable evidence of wrongdoing. That way, the subject of their interest is unlikely to bring the police into the equation ;) .
But when the "journalist" has no evidence of wrongdoing, none whatever, the same reluctance to involve the police does not obtain. DD probably knows that any trial would be turned into a media circus and most likely resisted the urge to see Daly dragged off in cuffs for that reason. Journalists are not above the law, and they subject members of the public (who are going about their lawful business) to harassment at their peril.
Dalys willingness to doorstep DD about his entirely legal tax avoidance is in stark contrast to his failure to investigate the Rangers Charity theft.
Edited by Sunny Jim Young, 12 Nov 2017, 01:32 PM.
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pedrok
12 Nov 2017, 12:43 PM
Desmond didn't register at all on the BBC national news, unlike three cast members of Mrs Brown's Boys.

There was one reason, and one reason only, why this story appeared on BBC Scotland, and was actually reported during the midweek Sportsound programme.
After the programme, a hun I used to work with passed me in his car, stopped rolled down the window, and shouted, aye, it's no just us at the tax dodging, so MD tactics worked for that hun, p.rick
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12 Nov 2017, 12:50 PM
pedrok
12 Nov 2017, 12:43 PM
Desmond didn't register at all on the BBC national news, unlike three cast members of Mrs Brown's Boys.

There was one reason, and one reason only, why this story appeared on BBC Scotland, and was actually reported during the midweek Sportsound programme.
The same reason why non-football stories about James Forrest, Leigh Griffiths, Craig Gordon, etc are all reported and discussed.

There's an audience for "personal" news stories about people involved in Celtic and Rangers.
There is an audience for 'celebrity' guff in this country that fills pages and pages of newspapers, magazines and websites.

The story about Desmond and his personal tax issues is not the same as Leigh Griffiths latest girlfriend.

It is very clear why this particular story was broadcast on BBC Scotland, why Desmond was approached on his way to a Celtic game and why a final shot, with Daly and the Celtic Football Club sign, was shown.
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pedrok
12 Nov 2017, 12:43 PM
Desmond didn't register at all on the BBC national news, unlike three cast members of Mrs Brown's Boys.

There was one reason, and one reason only, why this story appeared on BBC Scotland, and was actually reported during the midweek Sportsound programme.
The reason why it appeared on BBC Scotland is because it involved the majority shareholder of the biggest and most successful club in the country :ponder:

Mrs Brown's Boys, as far as I am aware (not being an avid viewer), is screened throughout the UK and is quite popular. I dare say that Joe Bloggs in the Cotswolds will recognise yer man dressed as a woman more than they will Dermot Desmond.

People are trying too hard to see something that isn't there, IMO.
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12 Nov 2017, 01:39 PM
pedrok
12 Nov 2017, 12:43 PM
Desmond didn't register at all on the BBC national news, unlike three cast members of Mrs Brown's Boys.

There was one reason, and one reason only, why this story appeared on BBC Scotland, and was actually reported during the midweek Sportsound programme.
The reason why it appeared on BBC Scotland is because it involved the majority shareholder of the biggest and most successful club in the country :ponder:

Mrs Brown's Boys, as far as I am aware (not being an avid viewer), is screened throughout the UK and is quite popular. I dare say that Joe Bloggs in the Cotswolds will recognise yer man dressed as a woman more than they will Dermot Desmond.

People are trying too hard to see something that isn't there, IMO.
Celtic are screened throughout the UK on an almost weekly basis and in the last couple of weeks in particular have been making more news than normal as we were approaching/beating the UK unbeaten record.

The Scottish department of the BBC have been well known in the past to take any chance, even if it means creating one, to run us down. Maybe you're trying to hard to find an excuse for something that is there.
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12 Nov 2017, 02:08 PM
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12 Nov 2017, 01:39 PM
pedrok
12 Nov 2017, 12:43 PM
Desmond didn't register at all on the BBC national news, unlike three cast members of Mrs Brown's Boys.

There was one reason, and one reason only, why this story appeared on BBC Scotland, and was actually reported during the midweek Sportsound programme.
The reason why it appeared on BBC Scotland is because it involved the majority shareholder of the biggest and most successful club in the country :ponder:

Mrs Brown's Boys, as far as I am aware (not being an avid viewer), is screened throughout the UK and is quite popular. I dare say that Joe Bloggs in the Cotswolds will recognise yer man dressed as a woman more than they will Dermot Desmond.

People are trying too hard to see something that isn't there, IMO.
Celtic are screened throughout the UK on an almost weekly basis and in the last couple of weeks in particular have been making more news than normal as we were approaching/beating the UK unbeaten record.

The Scottish department of the BBC have been well known in the past to take any chance, even if it means creating one, to run us down. Maybe you're trying to hard to find an excuse for something that is there.
Maybe on Sky Sports.

I doubt we were shown much down south at all. English people do not give a eff about Scottish football.
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12 Nov 2017, 02:10 PM
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12 Nov 2017, 02:08 PM
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12 Nov 2017, 01:39 PM

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Celtic are screened throughout the UK on an almost weekly basis and in the last couple of weeks in particular have been making more news than normal as we were approaching/beating the UK unbeaten record.

The Scottish department of the BBC have been well known in the past to take any chance, even if it means creating one, to run us down. Maybe you're trying to hard to find an excuse for something that is there.
Maybe on Sky Sports.

I doubt we were shown much down south at all. English people do not give a eff about Scottish football.
Beating the record made the national news on all the mainstream TV stations that I saw, both in Britain and in Ireland.
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12 Nov 2017, 01:39 PM
pedrok
12 Nov 2017, 12:43 PM
Desmond didn't register at all on the BBC national news, unlike three cast members of Mrs Brown's Boys.

There was one reason, and one reason only, why this story appeared on BBC Scotland, and was actually reported during the midweek Sportsound programme.
The reason why it appeared on BBC Scotland is because it involved the majority shareholder of the biggest and most successful club in the country :ponder:

Mrs Brown's Boys, as far as I am aware (not being an avid viewer), is screened throughout the UK and is quite popular. I dare say that Joe Bloggs in the Cotswolds will recognise yer man dressed as a woman more than they will Dermot Desmond.

People are trying too hard to see something that isn't there, IMO.
DD is not a majority shareholder of Celtic Football Club.
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Daly doorstepped the chief exec. of Ithaca at their office in Aberdeen. I can only imagine that the scope of inclusions within the papers that had any sort of "Scottish" angle were tiny if they were willing to do that. Unsure if he's catholic of course.
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12 Nov 2017, 02:10 PM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
Celtic are screened throughout the UK on an almost weekly basis and in the last couple of weeks in particular have been making more news than normal as we were approaching/beating the UK unbeaten record.

The Scottish department of the BBC have been well known in the past to take any chance, even if it means creating one, to run us down. Maybe you're trying to hard to find an excuse for something that is there.
Maybe on Sky Sports.

I doubt we were shown much down south at all. English people do not give a eff about Scottish football.
Correct.

And in my experience English people (and increasingly media) don't give a eff about all but the top six of the top flight.

This is being shown in domestic TV audiences for games not involving these clubs.

It's not really any bigger news than what they think of Celtic or Scotland. It's just the way it is.
Edited by Forza, 12 Nov 2017, 03:00 PM.
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Maybe on Sky Sports.

I doubt we were shown much down south at all. English people do not give a eff about Scottish football.
Correct.

And in my experience English people (and increasingly media) don't give a eff about all but the top six of the top flight.

This is being shown in domestic TV audiences for games not involving these clubs.

It's not really any bigger news than what they think of Celtic or Scotland. It's just the way it is.
None of the English/Welsh Spanish people here in my complex have a clue who DD is - I couldn't be arsed asking the Italian/Russian/Belgian neighbours as they were too busy eating . :suspect:
The Czech/Croatian/Italian waiters in my local Irish Bar didn't have a clue either even though DD has been there a couple of times with Daniel O'Donnel ! :rubeyes:
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Has the fact that a Former Rangers player is asking the SFA to investigate whether Former Rangers cheated him and his ex club out of money he was due made the news yet?
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Sunny Jim Young
12 Nov 2017, 03:48 PM
Has the fact that a Former Rangers player is asking the SFA to investigate whether Former Rangers cheated him and his ex club out of money he was due made the news yet?
No, we ourselves are too busy burying that by keeping the DD story relevant.
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