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8 Jul 2018, 01:45 PM
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Why has Logan waited till now to come out with this? I’m sure if he was racially abused he’d have mentioned it long before now. The guy is an attention seeking fud. Gannon is as bad writing that piece of shampoo article.
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8 Jul 2018, 02:37 PM
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From The Celtic Blog's interaction with the newspaper that first published Logan's allegation -- some asswipe Aberdeen rag, I think -- it's quite clear their reporter finally got the answer he was looking for and the whole thing has been manufactured to attack Celtic fans. I find that much more sinister than the pathetic trolling of a talentless no-mark.
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8 Jul 2018, 03:58 PM
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Michael Gannon reckons Celtic punters lap up all this Best Fans in the World nonsense, should self police ourselves and ignore Shay Logan. Shay Logan racism row with Celtic is worst possible start to the season - Michael GannonMichael reckons the Aberdeen man has every right to come out and have a pop if he feels he has been wronged Spoiler: click to toggle ByMichael Gannon No one quite does rammies like Scottish football. At a time when clubs bring in gurus to teach their managers and players to say hee-haw, we should be grateful in this country we’ve got a ton of folk who can’t resist letting rip. Keep it up lads, it’s great box office. What we might lack in silky skills, we make up for in off-field argy-bargy. There’s nothing wrong with winding each other up but things have gone way too far in the Shay Logan affair. Both parties could do with taking a step back and counting to 10. Logan accusing the Celtic fans of racist abuse shouldn’t just be swept away as the usual public spat. It’s a heck of a serious allegation. If Logan is right then he should have reported it at the time. Or at least once the crazy fog had lifted. Scottish football pays a huge whack to have cops at the games and this is the kind of thing they are paid to do. If there are punters going over the score at our games, wade in and get the collars felt. Shay Logan accuses Celtic fans of racial abuse and claims he 'expects' it now when he plays at Parkhead Logan has every right to come out and have a pop if he feels he has been wronged but he shouldn’t have waited two months to make the claim. The Aberdeen man admits himself he loves the back and forth with the Celtic punters but just because he can take it on the chin doesn’t mean it’s any way acceptable. The problem with waiting so long to say it though means it’s a heck of a lot harder to prove. It doesn’t take Poirot to work out Hoops fans hate Logan. The bitter relationship has it’s roots in the murky Aleksander Tonev race storm, when Celtic fans stuck by their man after it came down to one player’s word against another over something dodgy that was said. But since then? Celtic fans don’t like Logan – with the feeling mutual – but is it a race thing? You just have to hope not. A lot of the stuff is just good old-fashioned hatred of some guy who gets under their skin – not about the colour of his. It’s similar to the stick Scott Brown gets wherever he goes. It’s nothing to do with religion or anything sinister. it’s just rival fans think he’s an a******* – and the Parhead skipper is happy to play the role of villain. When it comes to Logan, everyone involved just needs to chill out though. He said he expects to be racially abused in Glasgow now. That’s not just shocking – it’s sad as well as frightening in this day and age. His claims will only crank up the tension on his next trip but Hoops punters could do with just ignoring him altogether. Don’t bite. But if there is a hint of racist abuse, that’s where decent fans need to step in. Celtic punters lap up all this Best Fans in the World nonsense but the only way to prove it is to self-police. Don’t turn a deaf ear if someone spouts out something sickening. Point the finger, drag in the bobbies. Brendan Rodgers had to handle the live grenade lobbed at him over Logan when he landed in Dublin on Friday but the Celtic manager treated it with impressive caution. He’s got enough on his plate. Celtic are heading into the Champions League qualifiers and while the gaffer seems calm enough, the punters are getting twitchy. They know there’s no right-back for Alashkert this week. There’s no Dedryck Boyata at the back. Yes, the Armenians should still be swatted aside but if Rosenborg are up next, the defence could still be missing key men – and that’s even before considering the very real prospect of Kieran Tierney being marched away south in golden handcuffs. It’s a minor miracle they’ve got to the group stage the last two seasons when you consider they had Saidy Janko in the side in a play-off, needed to play Nir Bitton at the back alongside a Kris Ajer who’d played only about a dozen games in defence, and went to Norway with no strikers. The punters will need to take deep breathes this time – but when it comes to the Logan sideshow they need to keep their mouths shut. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/shay-logan-racism-row-celtic-12876369
On the same day that Logan was demonstrating yet again what an attention-seeking fud he is, did another SPFL manager not point out to the assembled media in his post-match interview that he had just been subjected to sustained sectarian abuse ? Unlike the voices in Logan's head, that sectarian abuse could actually be heard loud and clear on the television coverage of the game. How is that investigation progressing ? In a nutshell OS.
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8 Jul 2018, 05:04 PM
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Michael Gannon, best start looking for a new place that might pay you to spout your brand off keech, the Record doesn’t have long now.
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8 Jul 2018, 05:37 PM
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Apparently us hoops fans hate Logan? Can't say I do tbh, he's an irrelevance. His skin colour is the irrelevance.
He’s the one whose carried it on since the Tonev incident. Booting the ball against one of our players after he’s been snapped, going mental after winning a dead rubber game and physically assaulting one of our players, trolling us on twitter when we’ve lost in the CL.
But Shay hasn’t done anything wrong and we’re all racists.
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8 Jul 2018, 06:49 PM
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Sky Sports to pull the plug on their coverage of the Scottish Cup, but not too worry, because Stevie G is here the money coming in could be doubled!
CUP TO BE CUT Sky Sports set to pull plug on Scottish Cup coverage but SPFL chiefs hopeful of increased TV revenue from 2020 Scottish football’s current TV deal sees Sky and BT Sport pay around £20million every season but that could DOUBLE
Spoiler: click to toggle By Kenny MacDonald SKY SPORTS are set to pull the plug on their Scottish Cup coverage. Scottish football’s current TV deal sees Sky and BT Sport pay around £20million every season. But the SPFL are hopeful that could double in the next deal as a result of English interest in Steven Gerrard’s appointment as Rangers boss. The current agreement is due to run out in the summer of 2020. At present, Sky and BT split coverage of league matches. Until last season the Cup was shared between BBC Scotland and Sky, with both channels televising the final. https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/2899601/sky-sports-scottish-cup-spfl-2020/
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8 Jul 2018, 07:12 PM
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A horrible article in Give Me Sport about how Liverpool won't be loaning players to Celtic. Here's what it says:
"According to the Liverpool Echo, Klopp wants to take a closer look at youngsters Ben Woodburn and Harry Wilson before accepting any loan offers for them.
But if Klopp does decide that they need to spend the season elsewhere, they won’t be joining Celtic.
The Echo’s report adds that Liverpool won’t consider sending any players to Brendan Rodgers’ side after seeing how loan players were used at Celtic Park last season.
Rodgers signed Patrick Roberts and Charly Musonda from Manchester City and Chelsea respectively, but neither got the minutes they would have wanted.
Musonda made just eight appearances after arriving in January while Roberts started seven Scottish Premiership matches.
It wasn’t the finest learning experience for either player.
And so Liverpool do not think Celtic is a good destination for any of their youngsters, despite the ties to Rodgers.
Woodburn and Wilson both started in Liverpool’s 7-0 win over Chester on Saturday, the latter grabbing a brace.Musonda made just eight appearances after arriving in January while Roberts started seven Scottish Premiership matches.
It wasn’t the finest learning experience for either player.
And so Liverpool do not think Celtic is a good destination for any of their youngsters, despite the ties to Rodgers.
Woodburn and Wilson both started in Liverpool’s 7-0 win over Chester on Saturday, the latter grabbing a brace.
Chester FC v Liverpool - Pre-Season Friendly
His performance prompted an immediate loan bid from Celtic but it was rejected.
It’s yet more bad news for Rodgers and Celtic.
It was recently revealed by the Echo that Liverpool have granted Steven Gerrard first refusal on any young player Liverpool wish to loan out.
It’s a lovely gesture for Gerrard, who will go head-to-head with Rodgers this season as Rangers’ new boss."https://www.givemesport.com/1349552-why-liverpool-wont-send-any-player-out-on-loan-to-brendan-rodgers-celtic?autoplay=off
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8 Jul 2018, 07:19 PM
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Sky Sports to pull the plug on their coverage of the Scottish Cup, but not too worry, because Stevie G is here the money coming in could be doubled! CUP TO BE CUT Sky Sports set to pull plug on Scottish Cup coverage but SPFL chiefs hopeful of increased TV revenue from 2020Scottish football’s current TV deal sees Sky and BT Sport pay around £20million every season but that could DOUBLE Spoiler: click to toggle By Kenny MacDonald SKY SPORTS are set to pull the plug on their Scottish Cup coverage. Scottish football’s current TV deal sees Sky and BT Sport pay around £20million every season. But the SPFL are hopeful that could double in the next deal as a result of English interest in Steven Gerrard’s appointment as Rangers boss. The current agreement is due to run out in the summer of 2020. At present, Sky and BT split coverage of league matches. Until last season the Cup was shared between BBC Scotland and Sky, with both channels televising the final. https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/2899601/sky-sports-scottish-cup-spfl-2020/
Money from new deal to double because of Steven Gerrard.
New deal to start in summer of 2020.
I see a flaw in the plan.
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8 Jul 2018, 07:44 PM
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I don't believe for a minute that a club of Liverpool's stature would be so petty as to a) involve themselves in something like this and b) publicise the fact. I smell desperation-flavoured scheidt. Paddy Roberts was a sensation in his first season on loan and won six or seven trophies. Musonda has well-documented attitude issues and never really showed much. I'd be astonished if a guy like Klopp wasn't aware of this. However, I'll reserve judgment until we see how the transfer window works out.
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8 Jul 2018, 09:02 PM
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I agree. Sounds like a Sevconian dream. Article very misleading about the realities of what happened to Paddy. To then transfer this blinkered view onto Klopp and Liverpool seems fanciful. Can only imagine the presumably English person who wrote this (Scott Wilson) is a secret Sevconian or a friend of Adrian Durham!
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8 Jul 2018, 09:06 PM
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That article in Give Me Sport is clearly written by a hun with wishful thinking. Would a team rather send a player to a world class club or one that is constantly in turmoil? Tough call eh!
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8 Jul 2018, 10:38 PM
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Givemesport will publish just about anyone’s piece as long as they make word count and if anyone looks at the articles prior to publication all they are checking is it reads ok. There’s better things in Angry People In Local Newspapers to get concerned over.
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A horrible article in Give Me Sport about how Liverpool won't be loaning players to Celtic. Here's what it says:
"According to the Liverpool Echo, Klopp wants to take a closer look at youngsters Ben Woodburn and Harry Wilson before accepting any loan offers for them.
But if Klopp does decide that they need to spend the season elsewhere, they won’t be joining Celtic.
The Echo’s report adds that Liverpool won’t consider sending any players to Brendan Rodgers’ side after seeing how loan players were used at Celtic Park last season.
Rodgers signed Patrick Roberts and Charly Musonda from Manchester City and Chelsea respectively, but neither got the minutes they would have wanted.
Musonda made just eight appearances after arriving in January while Roberts started seven Scottish Premiership matches.
It wasn’t the finest learning experience for either player.
And so Liverpool do not think Celtic is a good destination for any of their youngsters, despite the ties to Rodgers.
Woodburn and Wilson both started in Liverpool’s 7-0 win over Chester on Saturday, the latter grabbing a brace.Musonda made just eight appearances after arriving in January while Roberts started seven Scottish Premiership matches.
It wasn’t the finest learning experience for either player.
And so Liverpool do not think Celtic is a good destination for any of their youngsters, despite the ties to Rodgers.
Woodburn and Wilson both started in Liverpool’s 7-0 win over Chester on Saturday, the latter grabbing a brace.
Chester FC v Liverpool - Pre-Season Friendly
His performance prompted an immediate loan bid from Celtic but it was rejected.
It’s yet more bad news for Rodgers and Celtic.
It was recently revealed by the Echo that Liverpool have granted Steven Gerrard first refusal on any young player Liverpool wish to loan out.
It’s a lovely gesture for Gerrard, who will go head-to-head with Rodgers this season as Rangers’ new boss."https://www.givemesport.com/1349552-why-liverpool-wont-send-any-player-out-on-loan-to-brendan-rodgers-celtic?autoplay=off
Yet more bad news?
How ? Patronising fools think we need a bunch of youth academy loans to stay competitive ?
What a blow - all those famous Liverpool youth players won’t be coming to us on loan
Games a bogey - yet more bad news for us - first refusal cup already won
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A horrible article in Give Me Sport about how Liverpool won't be loaning players to Celtic. Here's what it says:
"According to the Liverpool Echo, Klopp wants to take a closer look at youngsters Ben Woodburn and Harry Wilson before accepting any loan offers for them.
But if Klopp does decide that they need to spend the season elsewhere, they won’t be joining Celtic.
The Echo’s report adds that Liverpool won’t consider sending any players to Brendan Rodgers’ side after seeing how loan players were used at Celtic Park last season.
Rodgers signed Patrick Roberts and Charly Musonda from Manchester City and Chelsea respectively, but neither got the minutes they would have wanted.
Musonda made just eight appearances after arriving in January while Roberts started seven Scottish Premiership matches.
It wasn’t the finest learning experience for either player.
And so Liverpool do not think Celtic is a good destination for any of their youngsters, despite the ties to Rodgers.
Woodburn and Wilson both started in Liverpool’s 7-0 win over Chester on Saturday, the latter grabbing a brace.Musonda made just eight appearances after arriving in January while Roberts started seven Scottish Premiership matches.
It wasn’t the finest learning experience for either player.
And so Liverpool do not think Celtic is a good destination for any of their youngsters, despite the ties to Rodgers.
Woodburn and Wilson both started in Liverpool’s 7-0 win over Chester on Saturday, the latter grabbing a brace.
Chester FC v Liverpool - Pre-Season Friendly
His performance prompted an immediate loan bid from Celtic but it was rejected.
It’s yet more bad news for Rodgers and Celtic.
It was recently revealed by the Echo that Liverpool have granted Steven Gerrard first refusal on any young player Liverpool wish to loan out.
It’s a lovely gesture for Gerrard, who will go head-to-head with Rodgers this season as Rangers’ new boss."https://www.givemesport.com/1349552-why-liverpool-wont-send-any-player-out-on-loan-to-brendan-rodgers-celtic?autoplay=off
Yet more bad news? How ? Patronising fools think we need a bunch of youth academy loans to stay competitive ? What a blow - all those famous Liverpool youth players won’t be coming to us on loan Games a bogey - yet more bad news for us - first refusal cup already won If our transfer policy relies heavily on loaning youngsters from Liverpool, then we’re not doing something right.
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9 Jul 2018, 12:49 PM
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The idea that there is an EPL fan interest in Scottish Football down to Gerrard is pure fantasy
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9 Jul 2018, 04:38 PM
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This is not a bad article. It actually shows how good Catholic Schools are but some of the comments are bonkers, like this one;
Spoiler: click to toggle Bill Stevens 7 hrs ago
The position of the lord provost of Glasgow has been held by a Roman Catholic for over 40 years now yes 4 decades , apart from one person and they were a season ticket holder at Celtic
It's an astonishing statistic given that Catholics are a minority faith , the odds on it happening must be astronomical
So if the lord provost wants to comment on sectarianism I suggest she looks out her office and along the corridor
Maybe it's advertised as must be Catholic Church approved just like the sectarian recruitment policy that exists in our state funded education system
Now that's proper bigotry discriminating against giving someone a job because of their religion and people want to celebrate it
There's plenty bigotry and sectarianism out there , just not the type you'll read about anywhere as it doesn't suit the agenda
Is Glasgow's Lord Provost Eva Bolander right to celebrate Catholic schools? Catriona Stewart @LadyCatHT
Spoiler: click to toggle ONE of the main arguments posited against Catholic education is that the bigotry against Catholics they were set up to overcome is no more. It’s difficult to stand by that argument when, just on Saturday, a priest was attacked outside his church in Glasgow as an Orange parade went past. Spat on, lunged at. This apparently happened when a police guard outside the church was called away to deal with something else. A police guard, at a church. It is amply clear that there is still a problem with sectarianism in Scotland. If not, then charities such as Nil By Mouth, set up to challenge just such sectarianism, would no longer exist. A charity’s ultimate success is in no longer existing - they function to fix a problem. No problem, no need for the charity. Of course, others would argue that separating children based on their faith - or, often more accurately, the faith of their parents - helps perpetuate sectarianism. This is the view of the Scottish Secular Society, which criticised Lord Provost Eva Bolander this week for plans to host a civic reception to mark the centenary of the Education (Scotland) Act 1918, which introduced public funding to Catholic schools. Catholic schools were founded with the aim of raising Irish Catholic immigrants out of poverty by ensuring they had equal access to education provided free of bigotry, as well as of perpetuating doctrine. In this aim, a problem to be overcome, Catholic schools have had ample success. An academic at Glasgow University, Anthony Finn, examined 99 school inspection reports from 2012 to 2014. Professor Finn found 51 per cent of Catholic schools were rated “excellent” or “very good” compared to 30 per cent in non-denominational schools. Some 36 per cent of inspections in non-denominational schools were graded “weak” or “unsatisfactory”. In Catholic schools the figure was 13 per cent. While school league tables showing how many pupils gain Highers are a very blunt instrument, for Glasgow’s top performing schools this year, two of the top three are Catholic. So, the problem of providing quality education for the children of Catholic parents is, you can argue, solved. But parents say, well, they want the best quality education possible for their children and that is provided by Catholic schools. Remove faith from the school and you risk lowering standards, thus damaging the outcomes for pupils. I’ve always found this a confusing argument because I believe firmly in equal opportunities for all children. So, if there is something about the ethos (importance of community, importance of empathy) of Catholic secondaries that lends itself to improved discipline and better exam outcomes, then shouldn’t the debate be about finding ways to replicate that in secular schools? Another common argument against Catholic education is that of not wanting one’s taxes paying towards something one does not believe is right. This also makes little sense. Paying taxes is about making a contribution to society in the knowledge money will go towards endeavours you may not agree with. Catholic tax payers can’t mandate their dues don’t go towards abortion or contraception. I’ve seen all such arguments put forward this week following the Scottish Secular Society comments - and many times previously. Just as I’m sure they will be put forward many times again. I believe it must be possible to have a sensible conversation about faith-based education without accusations of bigotry. It’s a discussion that makes sense in the context of Scotland becoming an increasingly secular society in which only three faith groups - Catholic, Jewish and Episcopalian - are provided with state funded education. Is Ms Bolander wrong to celebrate the centenary of the Education (Scotland) Act 1918? No. Catholic schools have lifted thousands of Scots out of poverty. They have done and continue to do good work. Whether that good work could and should be done in a non-faith environment is an entirely different question. It is, however a question politicians have no appetite for when the answer risks alienating hundreds of thousands of voters. http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/16341353.is-glasgows-lord-provost-eva-bolander-right-to-celebrate-catholic-schools/
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We don’t have any secular schools on Scotland though - that I’m aware of
A non denominational school isn’t secular - especially when they have a rector and/or a minister attached to the school
Even if they see themselves as multi faith (no laughing) that’s not secular
And fwiw the secular society (in Scotland ) are easily the least tolerant group I’ve ever had to deal with professionally
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Apparently us hoops fans hate Logan? Can't say I do tbh, he's an irrelevance. I hate him. He's a wee dick. A whiny, arrogant without cause little tadger and a right back. I don't like Right backs.
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We don’t have any secular schools on Scotland though - that I’m aware of
A non denominational school isn’t secular - especially when they have a rector and/or a minister attached to the school
Even if they see themselves as multi faith (no laughing) that’s not secular
And fwiw the secular society (in Scotland ) are easily the least tolerant group I’ve ever had to deal with professionally I worked in state schools in Fife and Edinburgh for years. Non-denominational is correct inasmuch as schools are not nominally CoS or any other faith, but it is misleading inasmuch as people take it to mean secular. It's specified in the curriculum to engage in some acts of religious observance during the year. This is distinct from learning about religions of the world. In practice this normally means the whole school decants to the local CoS for an Easter or Christmas service, or a local minister / lay preacher visits the school and tells the kids bible stories. Lots of schools don't bother or choose not to do this, for whatever reasons.
There's nothing, as far as I know, in the curriculum or in policy which specifies that the service must be held in a CoS, it is up to each school to decide; however it is not difficult to predict the likely reaction (from a largely non churchgoing parent population) should a school announce a service in a local mosque or, heaven forfend, a chapel.
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This is not a bad article. It actually shows how good Catholic Schools are but some of the comments are bonkers, like this one; Spoiler: click to toggle Bill Stevens 7 hrs ago
The position of the lord provost of Glasgow has been held by a Roman Catholic for over 40 years now yes 4 decades , apart from one person and they were a season ticket holder at Celtic
It's an astonishing statistic given that Catholics are a minority faith , the odds on it happening must be astronomical
So if the lord provost wants to comment on sectarianism I suggest she looks out her office and along the corridor
Maybe it's advertised as must be Catholic Church approved just like the sectarian recruitment policy that exists in our state funded education system
Now that's proper bigotry discriminating against giving someone a job because of their religion and people want to celebrate it
There's plenty bigotry and sectarianism out there , just not the type you'll read about anywhere as it doesn't suit the agenda
Is Glasgow's Lord Provost Eva Bolander right to celebrate Catholic schools?Catriona Stewart @LadyCatHT Spoiler: click to toggle ONE of the main arguments posited against Catholic education is that the bigotry against Catholics they were set up to overcome is no more. It’s difficult to stand by that argument when, just on Saturday, a priest was attacked outside his church in Glasgow as an Orange parade went past. Spat on, lunged at. This apparently happened when a police guard outside the church was called away to deal with something else. A police guard, at a church. It is amply clear that there is still a problem with sectarianism in Scotland. If not, then charities such as Nil By Mouth, set up to challenge just such sectarianism, would no longer exist. A charity’s ultimate success is in no longer existing - they function to fix a problem. No problem, no need for the charity. Of course, others would argue that separating children based on their faith - or, often more accurately, the faith of their parents - helps perpetuate sectarianism. This is the view of the Scottish Secular Society, which criticised Lord Provost Eva Bolander this week for plans to host a civic reception to mark the centenary of the Education (Scotland) Act 1918, which introduced public funding to Catholic schools. Catholic schools were founded with the aim of raising Irish Catholic immigrants out of poverty by ensuring they had equal access to education provided free of bigotry, as well as of perpetuating doctrine. In this aim, a problem to be overcome, Catholic schools have had ample success. An academic at Glasgow University, Anthony Finn, examined 99 school inspection reports from 2012 to 2014. Professor Finn found 51 per cent of Catholic schools were rated “excellent” or “very good” compared to 30 per cent in non-denominational schools. Some 36 per cent of inspections in non-denominational schools were graded “weak” or “unsatisfactory”. In Catholic schools the figure was 13 per cent. While school league tables showing how many pupils gain Highers are a very blunt instrument, for Glasgow’s top performing schools this year, two of the top three are Catholic. So, the problem of providing quality education for the children of Catholic parents is, you can argue, solved. But parents say, well, they want the best quality education possible for their children and that is provided by Catholic schools. Remove faith from the school and you risk lowering standards, thus damaging the outcomes for pupils. I’ve always found this a confusing argument because I believe firmly in equal opportunities for all children. So, if there is something about the ethos (importance of community, importance of empathy) of Catholic secondaries that lends itself to improved discipline and better exam outcomes, then shouldn’t the debate be about finding ways to replicate that in secular schools? Another common argument against Catholic education is that of not wanting one’s taxes paying towards something one does not believe is right. This also makes little sense. Paying taxes is about making a contribution to society in the knowledge money will go towards endeavours you may not agree with. Catholic tax payers can’t mandate their dues don’t go towards abortion or contraception. I’ve seen all such arguments put forward this week following the Scottish Secular Society comments - and many times previously. Just as I’m sure they will be put forward many times again. I believe it must be possible to have a sensible conversation about faith-based education without accusations of bigotry. It’s a discussion that makes sense in the context of Scotland becoming an increasingly secular society in which only three faith groups - Catholic, Jewish and Episcopalian - are provided with state funded education. Is Ms Bolander wrong to celebrate the centenary of the Education (Scotland) Act 1918? No. Catholic schools have lifted thousands of Scots out of poverty. They have done and continue to do good work. Whether that good work could and should be done in a non-faith environment is an entirely different question. It is, however a question politicians have no appetite for when the answer risks alienating hundreds of thousands of voters. http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/16341353.is-glasgows-lord-provost-eva-bolander-right-to-celebrate-catholic-schools/ Interesting article if a little light. Perhaps it should mention that the reason we have Roman Catholic schools is because the 1918 act brought almost a hundred thousand RC children under the auspices of state-funding for the first time.
The Irish Catholic community educated their own, funded by the Church, as there were few, if any RCs on any of the almost one thousand school boards across Scotland, most being filled with the ministers and elders of the Kirk. Another provision of the 1918 Act was to transfer Church owned buildings used as schools to the state to improve their fabric etc. The Act also had to allow for RC representation on school boards.
Perhaps the Church should press for repayment for all the money it pumped into education prior to the act as the reason for the 1918 act was the failure of the supposedly universal 1872 act to provide for its congregation
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