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The Media
Topic Started: 1 Nov 2017, 11:12 PM (581,196 Views)
k3vkr
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Johnnyd60
9 Nov 2017, 12:21 PM
Johnnyd60
9 Nov 2017, 11:58 AM
corsica1968
9 Nov 2017, 10:06 AM
I don't think that can accurately be described as a 'discussion '. Sounds more like you don't want one.
One more question; you've implied Mark Daly was involved in this conspiracy at the bbc to kill this story, which I'm not disputing is yet another damning story in a very long list, can you clarify exactly what his role was? I assume it was major as he's the only one you name while protecting the rest of the heavy team.
For someone who joined in 2012 its weird you havent followed Corsica's story on here
It was widely discussed in threads for a number of months. And you did like the old hun thread back then.

Maybe you just didnt see it, or maybe not interested.
Which makes it even weirder that you're so interested now, and using language such as 'smear' and 'conspiracy'

Just an observation ;)
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Harris Tottle
9 Nov 2017, 09:14 AM
I’m less bothered about Mark Daly doing whatever he does than I am about the conduct of the Press for just about as long as I’ve been around.

Murray, pre and post implosion, is a character ripe for a whole series of documentaries. His remarkable renaissance having written off, at the expense ultimately of the taxpayer, several hundred million has passed without any meaningful comment in the Press. Then there was Whyte, a man so transparently not what he was presented to be. And King, who has made umpteen grandiose statements, ranging from the inconsistent to down right whoppers. You could have spent a lifetime door stepping this cast of characters, yet their treatment in the Press has ranged from soft soap to outright hagiography.

I think all anyone would hope for is a sense that there is no slant on it, but I’ve lived through hearses parked outside Celtic Park for comic effect, “thugs and thieves” headlines and disgraceful comparisons between Fergus and Saddam Hussain. And now, we have outright liquidation denial, frankly bizarre rhetoric involving hitherto unknown concepts (the company that used to own the club) and EBT recipients pontificating on national radio having never once faced a question about tax. All delivered with a pious “turn the other cheek” instruction that might be easier to swallow if the whole shambles at Ibrox was not being aggressively airbrushed out of history. Just exactly why should I be required to buy the life after liquidation keech that I read and hear endlessly for the good of the game? Why should one club be allowed to operate a broken business model with members of the Press rushing to present multi million pound losses as reasons to be cheerful?

Whether it’s fear or favour, I don’t care. A bit of even handedness would be nice.
Great post. It's the absolute hypocrisy of the press that really rattles my tatties.
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Daly's programme - DD's bit 20 mins in .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMa3z3Lo0Oc
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k3vkr
9 Nov 2017, 03:23 PM
Johnnyd60
9 Nov 2017, 12:21 PM
Johnnyd60
9 Nov 2017, 11:58 AM
One more question; you've implied Mark Daly was involved in this conspiracy at the bbc to kill this story, which I'm not disputing is yet another damning story in a very long list, can you clarify exactly what his role was? I assume it was major as he's the only one you name while protecting the rest of the heavy team.
For someone who joined in 2012 its weird you havent followed Corsica's story on here
It was widely discussed in threads for a number of months. And you did like the old hun thread back then.

Maybe you just didnt see it, or maybe not interested.
Which makes it even weirder that you're so interested now, and using language such as 'smear' and 'conspiracy'

Just an observation ;)
Again, not my main interest here. I remember the story first time round. What pricked my ears up was corsica's comment about MD was doing the rounds on twitter. I want to find some if any substance to his claims. So far he's deflecting and getting twitchy. Still had no evidence that makes me believe his story. Which btw, I'm happy to do if the evidence is credible. So far it looks like a smear on a decent journalist. Nothing suspect or sinister in that is there? ;)
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Johnnyd60
9 Nov 2017, 03:41 PM
k3vkr
9 Nov 2017, 03:23 PM
Johnnyd60
9 Nov 2017, 12:21 PM
For someone who joined in 2012 its weird you havent followed Corsica's story on here
It was widely discussed in threads for a number of months. And you did like the old hun thread back then.

Maybe you just didnt see it, or maybe not interested.
Which makes it even weirder that you're so interested now, and using language such as 'smear' and 'conspiracy'

Just an observation ;)
Again, not my main interest here. I remember the story first time round. What pricked my ears up was corsica's comment about MD was doing the rounds on twitter. I want to find some if any substance to his claims. So far he's deflecting and getting twitchy. Still had no evidence that makes me believe his story. Which btw, I'm happy to do if the evidence is credible. So far it looks like a smear on a decent journalist. Nothing suspect or sinister in that is there? ;)
He has explained that to elaborate would expose his source so i guess you'll just have to accept or reject his claim.
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Kingslim
9 Nov 2017, 11:25 AM
Ned Rise
9 Nov 2017, 10:25 AM
Bhoyball
9 Nov 2017, 10:14 AM

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Aye everybody's at it, so we're all in the same yacht really.
:lol:
on that basis i'm in an Aldi blow up dinghy on the Clyde , not a luxury super yacht in the med , and i can hear a hissing sound
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Smiley
9 Nov 2017, 02:00 PM
tomtheleedstim
9 Nov 2017, 01:51 PM
Smiley
9 Nov 2017, 01:43 PM

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I'd imagine it's so people visit his website when he inevitably expands on the tweet. If he don't get the hits, he don't get the bucks.
I'll gladly put money towards a patreon or something if he'd stop writing like that, it's very annoying.
:ffs: Reading it is not , repeat not, compulsory.
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tomtheleedstim
9 Nov 2017, 04:26 PM
Johnnyd60
9 Nov 2017, 03:41 PM
k3vkr
9 Nov 2017, 03:23 PM
Again, not my main interest here. I remember the story first time round. What pricked my ears up was corsica's comment about MD was doing the rounds on twitter. I want to find some if any substance to his claims. So far he's deflecting and getting twitchy. Still had no evidence that makes me believe his story. Which btw, I'm happy to do if the evidence is credible. So far it looks like a smear on a decent journalist. Nothing suspect or sinister in that is there? ;)
He has explained that to elaborate would expose his source so i guess you'll just have to accept or reject his claim.
Ok, so he names Daly, but no one else behind the intimidation? Why does naming the others involved from the beeb risk his sources if naming Daly doesn't? Something doesn't add up here. Just trying to make it so, but corsica isn't saying much to help me get on his side.
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Kingslim
9 Nov 2017, 02:15 PM
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9 Nov 2017, 01:45 PM
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9 Nov 2017, 01:43 PM

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sounds like it was his milkman.
Wouldn’t be the postman, they bastards don’t turn up until the afternoon
‘Postman Pat’s A Bastard’
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Johnnyd60
9 Nov 2017, 05:13 PM
tomtheleedstim
9 Nov 2017, 04:26 PM
Johnnyd60
9 Nov 2017, 03:41 PM
He has explained that to elaborate would expose his source so i guess you'll just have to accept or reject his claim.
Ok, so he names Daly, but no one else behind the intimidation? Why does naming the others involved from the beeb risk his sources if naming Daly doesn't? Something doesn't add up here. Just trying to make it so, but corsica isn't saying much to help me get on his side.
Your very first post way back is about Daly, do you know him personally?
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9 Nov 2017, 05:34 PM
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9 Nov 2017, 05:13 PM
tomtheleedstim
9 Nov 2017, 04:26 PM
Ok, so he names Daly, but no one else behind the intimidation? Why does naming the others involved from the beeb risk his sources if naming Daly doesn't? Something doesn't add up here. Just trying to make it so, but corsica isn't saying much to help me get on his side.
Your very first post way back is about Daly, do you know him personally?
Yes. I know him well. And I know a few more facts about this story than corsica gives me credit for. That's why I know something is wrong with his version.
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Johnnyd60
9 Nov 2017, 05:37 PM
Dubz
9 Nov 2017, 05:34 PM
Johnnyd60
9 Nov 2017, 05:13 PM
Your very first post way back is about Daly, do you know him personally?
Yes. I know him well. And I know a few more facts about this story than corsica gives me credit for. That's why I know something is wrong with his version.
:thumbsup:

Just asking.
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Johnnyd60
9 Nov 2017, 05:13 PM
tomtheleedstim
9 Nov 2017, 04:26 PM
Johnnyd60
9 Nov 2017, 03:41 PM
He has explained that to elaborate would expose his source so i guess you'll just have to accept or reject his claim.
Ok, so he names Daly, but no one else behind the intimidation? Why does naming the others involved from the beeb risk his sources if naming Daly doesn't? Something doesn't add up here. Just trying to make it so, but corsica isn't saying much to help me get on his side.
I am not interested in your attempts at whataboutery. Nor am I interested in any further discussion with you. I have made my points.

My perception is you are working to an agenda. You are determined to get me to specifically smear Daly both here and via PM. I suggest you re-read my original comment which seems to have irked or pricked you interest.

BTW You give Daly a lot of credit for uncovering stuff that just wasn’t his. All of his work on EBTs and Whyte (like every other mainstream journalist/reporter) merely picked up stuff that was already widely known and shared on a number of websites notably rtc. I think you will find, for example, that it was my late esteemed namesake who had Whyte’s address in Monaco long before anyone else, discovered his ownership of the Duvalier villa in Grasse (a hop, skip and a jump from Monaco and Murray’s estate), and was informing RTC that Whyte was being pursued for his castle mortgage months before Administration Day. There are plenty of others (eg RTC, Barcabhoy and Auldheid) who deserve the actual praise before Daly.

Mods - i do not wish to derail or hog the board so please delete if desired. Thanks.
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Johnnyd60
9 Nov 2017, 05:37 PM
Dubz
9 Nov 2017, 05:34 PM
Johnnyd60
9 Nov 2017, 05:13 PM
Your very first post way back is about Daly, do you know him personally?
Yes. I know him well. And I know a few more facts about this story than corsica gives me credit for. That's why I know something is wrong with his version.
Well let's hear what you know, it's only fair as that's what you are asking others for.
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Clydebank Bhoy
9 Nov 2017, 03:29 PM
Harris Tottle
9 Nov 2017, 09:14 AM
I’m less bothered about Mark Daly doing whatever he does than I am about the conduct of the Press for just about as long as I’ve been around.

Murray, pre and post implosion, is a character ripe for a whole series of documentaries. His remarkable renaissance having written off, at the expense ultimately of the taxpayer, several hundred million has passed without any meaningful comment in the Press. Then there was Whyte, a man so transparently not what he was presented to be. And King, who has made umpteen grandiose statements, ranging from the inconsistent to down right whoppers. You could have spent a lifetime door stepping this cast of characters, yet their treatment in the Press has ranged from soft soap to outright hagiography.

I think all anyone would hope for is a sense that there is no slant on it, but I’ve lived through hearses parked outside Celtic Park for comic effect, “thugs and thieves” headlines and disgraceful comparisons between Fergus and Saddam Hussain. And now, we have outright liquidation denial, frankly bizarre rhetoric involving hitherto unknown concepts (the company that used to own the club) and EBT recipients pontificating on national radio having never once faced a question about tax. All delivered with a pious “turn the other cheek” instruction that might be easier to swallow if the whole shambles at Ibrox was not being aggressively airbrushed out of history. Just exactly why should I be required to buy the life after liquidation keech that I read and hear endlessly for the good of the game? Why should one club be allowed to operate a broken business model with members of the Press rushing to present multi million pound losses as reasons to be cheerful?

Whether it’s fear or favour, I don’t care. A bit of even handedness would be nice.
Great post. It's the absolute hypocrisy of the press that really rattles my tatties.
I initially read that as “rattles my titties” :lol:
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Johnnyd60
9 Nov 2017, 05:37 PM
Dubz
9 Nov 2017, 05:34 PM
Johnnyd60
9 Nov 2017, 05:13 PM
Your very first post way back is about Daly, do you know him personally?
Yes. I know him well. And I know a few more facts about this story than corsica gives me credit for. That's why I know something is wrong with his version.
So tell us the few more facts that you know. We're all ears.

Or in this case eyes! :)
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Johnnyd60
9 Nov 2017, 05:37 PM
Dubz
9 Nov 2017, 05:34 PM
Johnnyd60
9 Nov 2017, 05:13 PM
Your very first post way back is about Daly, do you know him personally?
Yes. I know him well. And I know a few more facts about this story than corsica gives me credit for. That's why I know something is wrong with his version.
Maybe you should back up your story with some facts so that we can take your word for it.
Edit. I see others beat me to it 😂
Edited by tomtheleedstim, 9 Nov 2017, 06:44 PM.
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9 Nov 2017, 05:55 PM
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9 Nov 2017, 05:34 PM
Yes. I know him well. And I know a few more facts about this story than corsica gives me credit for. That's why I know something is wrong with his version.
Well let's hear what you know, it's only fair as that's what you are asking others for.
I know that Mark Daly wasn't involved in any conspiracy to protect Rangers and I know Corsica worded his original comment to make it sound like he was. That's all I've been trying to establish by asking the poster some questions. You may have noticed he didn't answer any of them but - as he perfectly illustrates in his last post - ranted on and on about other stuff I wasn't talking about or interested in. That's all I need to say on the subject.
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9 Nov 2017, 05:53 PM
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9 Nov 2017, 04:26 PM
Ok, so he names Daly, but no one else behind the intimidation? Why does naming the others involved from the beeb risk his sources if naming Daly doesn't? Something doesn't add up here. Just trying to make it so, but corsica isn't saying much to help me get on his side.
I am not interested in your attempts at whataboutery. Nor am I interested in any further discussion with you. I have made my points.

My perception is you are working to an agenda. You are determined to get me to specifically smear Daly both here and via PM. I suggest you re-read my original comment which seems to have irked or pricked you interest.

BTW You give Daly a lot of credit for uncovering stuff that just wasn’t his. All of his work on EBTs and Whyte (like every other mainstream journalist/reporter) merely picked up stuff that was already widely known and shared on a number of websites notably rtc. I think you will find, for example, that it was my late esteemed namesake who had Whyte’s address in Monaco long before anyone else, discovered his ownership of the Duvalier villa in Grasse (a hop, skip and a jump from Monaco and Murray’s estate), and was informing RTC that Whyte was being pursued for his castle mortgage months before Administration Day. There are plenty of others (eg RTC, Barcabhoy and Auldheid) who deserve the actual praise before Daly.

Mods - i do not wish to derail or hog the board so please delete if desired. Thanks.
My agenda is to find out why your original post implied MD was involved in a conspiracy against you. End of.
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Whilst the IoM is a limited "haven" for tax avoidance, one thing it does specialise in is the concept of captive insurance companies. Daly does actually touch on this at around 20 minutes of the BBC Scotland exposé. Although tax is avoided in the member state, (worldwide), by setting up a captive, the avoidance element is a deductible business expense, in that money is paid into a “pot” and an insurance premium is paid to a company in your group. Effectvely, you are not insuring your business in the sense that we would insure our house, cars etc. The reason that it is a legitimate, deductible expense of a business is that it is a substantial risk for the business if anything goes wrong. I cannot name names here, but if you look at how many, for example, major car dealers insure their stock, their “Gap” insurance and warranty insurance schemes, they probably use a captive insurance company to fund it. I’m not sure Daly understands this.
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