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10 Jun 2018, 02:04 AM
Go look at the game. The Rep goal was the only time the Dutch engaged with the Scottish midfield after Scotland went 3-1, and they sliced us to bits.

They scored, they closed the game.

I don't think I'm being bonkers to think that Holland manufactured a result which suited them.
I’m not saying its bonkers it is just that their were easier ways to do it if they were so good and clever.

Let’s say it is true and they were looking to manufacture a 1-2 goal defeat. If Rep’s shot doesn’t go in which 9 times out of 10 it doesn’t, they have 20 minutes to play against a team containing some of the world’s best players at the time. Forgetting the collective failure of the 2 previous games Scotland were a good team

They either have to attack leaving themselves exposed at the back or defend deep which Scotland’s third goal showed they were not very good at ( great goal but woeful defending ).

The Dutch were rattled at that point you only need to look at their faces when the third went in, that was not a team who felt in control.

They were a great team and they may have tried to engineer a result to be clever but Scotland played fantastically well, Holland got lucky that Rep pulled that out or they would have had a hairy last 20 minutes. We will never know.

They sat back thereafter but that was game management not part of a controlled cat and mouse strategy.

If they were so good as to score on demand against us why wouldn’t they just got back to level terms at 2-1 and then let us score at the end if they were so in control. That would have been a far less risky strategy.

I buy the theory but i’m not so sure they planned it that way and if they did they nearly blew it because Scotland were far better than they assumed.


Rep's goal wouldn't have went in if Gemmill hadn't got a toe to the ball and caused it to deflect slightly
Was all part of the plan.
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Watched that 78 story. What a complete shambles that tournament was.

The SFA and the manager did there best to see Scotland fail. Complete shambles.
Way before my time, but it's actually incredible to ponder a reality where folk genuinely thought we were going to win the World Cup.

Not knowing a thing about the opposition, players failing drug tests & training conditions being farcical......good job the SFA have learned over the years.....
Well I was ten and never thought we would win it but did think we would reach the QFs (we should have), possibly the SFs. We had peaked a year earlier and badly missed McGrain and McQueen.
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Watched that 78 story. What a complete shambles that tournament was.

The SFA and the manager did there best to see Scotland fail. Complete shambles.
Way before my time, but it's actually incredible to ponder a reality where folk genuinely thought we were going to win the World Cup.

Not knowing a thing about the opposition, players failing drug tests & training conditions being farcical......good job the SFA have learned over the years.....
Well I was ten and never thought we would win it but did think we would reach the QFs (we should have), possibly the SFs. We had peaked a year earlier and badly missed McGrain and McQueen.
There were no QFs or SFs at the '78 World Cup.

Two rounds of group stages, the straight to the Final.
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Well I was ten and never thought we would win it but did think we would reach the QFs (we should have), possibly the SFs. We had peaked a year earlier and badly missed McGrain and McQueen.
There were no QFs or SFs at the '78 World Cup.

Two rounds of group stages, the straight to the Final.
And I think the final group games were not played at the same time so Argentina knew what they had to do before the game v Peru, ie, bribe the Peru goalie.
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Wikipedia has Scotland on 3 points. Reading Archie McPherson's book about Scotland's World Cup campaigns, and he doesn't mention points deducted.
There was no points deduction, if we had beaten Holland by 3 clear goals we were through. I think the press were the ones that said if we had done got the win by 3 goals we would have had points deducted but we had lost the Peru game and FIFA don't seem to do that to a team, all I know I was a tearful 13yr old at the time lol
There is another side to the game that day which is missed by many. Holland wanted to lose.

A loss to Scotland, under 3 goals, combined with a positive result for Peru, meant Holland finished 2nd in the group and avoided both Brazil and Argentina in the next group stage. Brazil and Argentina games had finished before hand.

Scotland scoring a third goal was not part of the plan, hence Holland scoring immediately after.

The 3-2 win for Scotland was a great result for one country, and it wasn't Scotland.
The Brazil game finished about an hour before the Holland-Scotland game kicked off

Peru-Iran was simultaneous

The idea that Holland just decided to score at 3-1 is utter nonsense ....Rep’s goal was a hit and hope effort ...as someone else has said, if he had the ability to score on demand from 30 yards, why didnt he do it in the final :ponder:

If they wanted to lose by one or two goals why did they take the lead...and that was from a penalty....surely Rensenbrink would have been under instructions to miss it ?? ;)

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There is another side to the game that day which is missed by many. Holland wanted to lose.

A loss to Scotland, under 3 goals, combined with a positive result for Peru, meant Holland finished 2nd in the group and avoided both Brazil and Argentina in the next group stage. Brazil and Argentina games had finished before hand.

Scotland scoring a third goal was not part of the plan, hence Holland scoring immediately after.

The 3-2 win for Scotland was a great result for one country, and it wasn't Scotland.
The Brazil game finished about an hour before the Holland-Scotland game kicked off

Peru-Iran was simultaneous

The idea that Holland just decided to score at 3-1 is utter nonsense ....Rep’s goal was a hit and hope effort ...as someone else has said, if he had the ability to score on demand from 30 yards, why didnt he do it in the final :ponder:

If they wanted to lose by one or two goals why did they take the lead...and that was from a penalty....surely Rensenbrink would have been under instructions to miss it ?? ;)

“if he had the ability to score on demand from 30 yards, why didnt he do it in the final“

Probably would have if Rough was in goal for Argentina. ;)
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Well I was ten and never thought we would win it but did think we would reach the QFs (we should have), possibly the SFs. We had peaked a year earlier and badly missed McGrain and McQueen.
There were no QFs or SFs at the '78 World Cup.

Two rounds of group stages, the straight to the Final.
Aye, right enough. I did think we'd get to the last 8. Seems a funny format but it was the same in 1974 I think.
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There were no QFs or SFs at the '78 World Cup.

Two rounds of group stages, the straight to the Final.
And I think the final group games were not played at the same time so Argentina knew what they had to do before the game v Peru, ie, bribe the Peru goalie.
Was the Peru goalie not actually an Argentinian ??
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And I think the final group games were not played at the same time so Argentina knew what they had to do before the game v Peru, ie, bribe the Peru goalie.
Was the Peru goalie not actually an Argentinian ??
He was
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The Brazil game finished about an hour before the Holland-Scotland game kicked off

Peru-Iran was simultaneous

The idea that Holland just decided to score at 3-1 is utter nonsense ....Rep’s goal was a hit and hope effort ...as someone else has said, if he had the ability to score on demand from 30 yards, why didnt he do it in the final :ponder:

If they wanted to lose by one or two goals why did they take the lead...and that was from a penalty....surely Rensenbrink would have been under instructions to miss it ?? ;)

“if he had the ability to score on demand from 30 yards, why didnt he do it in the final“

Probably would have if Rough was in goal for Argentina. ;)
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Wikipedia has Scotland on 3 points. Reading Archie McPherson's book about Scotland's World Cup campaigns, and he doesn't mention points deducted.
Just to go back to this, as I was wrong that Archie doesn't mention the two point deduction in his book. He does. I just hadn't got to that part yet, and hadn't noticed it when I flicked through it!!

As I say, he does mention the deduction. Seemingly Ally McLeod first mentioned it in an interview with the Sun in 1994, after Maradona was sent home for drugs abuse in the USA World Cup. Ally seems to have been convinced Scotland lost points.

Archie also mentions that Pat Woods wrote to Ernie Walker afterwards and asked about the deduction. He prints the reply from Ernie Walker in the book, and Walker was sure Scotland had been deducted points, but the SFA were only told after the Dutch game. Both McLeod and Walker were sure points had been deducted.

But, looking at the history books, no points were ever deducted. Perhaps the very final nail in the farce that was the Scottish 1978 World Cup experience!

He also writes that Jonny Rep claimed later that he just shut his eyes and hit the ball when he scored, and that it did flick off Gemmels foot.
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Compliance officer resigned, who is next?

The Scottish Football Association will this week begin the search for a new compliance officer after Tony McGlennan tendered his resignation.
Lawyer McGlennan has been with the governing body since 2014 but has now decided to return to private practice and will leave the SFA in late summer. He will be involved in the recruitment process for his successor before leaving Hampden.
The role was created seven years ago under Stewart Regan, the former chief executive of the SFA, and involves reviewing reported incidents from across Scottish football with a view to applying retrospective disciplinary action. The compliance officer initiates charges which are then decided upon by an independent judicial panel.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/tony-mcglennan-resigns-from-sfa-post-mclk8d6vl (Paywall)
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It would appear the gun to put the new Huns down is being passed about like a scudbook in Barlinnie
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Compliance officer resigned, who is next?

The Scottish Football Association will this week begin the search for a new compliance officer after Tony McGlennan tendered his resignation.
Lawyer McGlennan has been with the governing body since 2014 but has now decided to return to private practice and will leave the SFA in late summer. He will be involved in the recruitment process for his successor before leaving Hampden.
The role was created seven years ago under Stewart Regan, the former chief executive of the SFA, and involves reviewing reported incidents from across Scottish football with a view to applying retrospective disciplinary action. The compliance officer initiates charges which are then decided upon by an independent judicial panel.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/tony-mcglennan-resigns-from-sfa-post-mclk8d6vl (Paywall)
Much easier course of action than enduring nail bombs and shattered windaes .
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Poor show from Chris McLaughlin (I think it was) on Reporting Scotland last night.

In a feature about Alan Stubbs' appointment at St. Mirren, the camera panned to the away dugout with McLaughlin drooling "There's going to be some illustrious names sitting here next year. Brendan Rodgers, Steve Clarke and Steven Gerrard."

No mention of Neil Lennon, who unlike the latter two names mentioned, has actually won trophies as a manager.
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12 Jun 2018, 09:57 AM
Poor show from Chris McLaughlin (I think it was) on Reporting Scotland last night.

In a feature about Alan Stubbs' appointment at St. Mirren, the camera panned to the away dugout with McLaughlin drooling "There's going to be some illustrious names sitting here next year. Brendan Rodgers, Steve Clarke and Steven Gerrard."

No mention of Neil Lennon, who unlike the latter two names mentioned, has actually won trophies as a manager.

The only surprise there is that they mentioned Brendan and Steve Clarke.


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There were no QFs or SFs at the '78 World Cup.

Two rounds of group stages, the straight to the Final.
And I think the final group games were not played at the same time so Argentina knew what they had to do before the game v Peru, ie, bribe the Peru goalie.
There are loads of stories about the Peru game, from Videla (and Henry Kissinger!) visiting the Peru dressing room to "wish them luck", best players being substituted, sacks of grain being delivered to Peru, political prisoners being released etc. Also shenanigans in the final like the Dutch bus being forced to turn up late and one of the players having to remove a protective stookie from his broken arm. Also read that the Argentina players were doped on amphetamines for most of the games too, the whole tournament is mired in controversy
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And I think the final group games were not played at the same time so Argentina knew what they had to do before the game v Peru, ie, bribe the Peru goalie.
There are loads of stories about the Peru game, from Videla (and Henry Kissinger!) visiting the Peru dressing room to "wish them luck", best players being substituted, sacks of grain being delivered to Peru, political prisoners being released etc. Also shenanigans in the final like the Dutch bus being forced to turn up late and one of the players having to remove a protective stookie from his broken arm. Also read that the Argentina players were doped on amphetamines for most of the games too, the whole tournament is mired in controversy
Aye but, it was one of the best tournaments ever for spectacle and not the bloated corporate scheidt it is now.

So let's forget all of that , and the Argentinian Junta running the country at the time, or Scotland's abysmal showing, it was great as a 14 year old kid to stay up late and watch some of those amazing games.
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There are loads of stories about the Peru game, from Videla (and Henry Kissinger!) visiting the Peru dressing room to "wish them luck", best players being substituted, sacks of grain being delivered to Peru, political prisoners being released etc. Also shenanigans in the final like the Dutch bus being forced to turn up late and one of the players having to remove a protective stookie from his broken arm. Also read that the Argentina players were doped on amphetamines for most of the games too, the whole tournament is mired in controversy
Aye but, it was one of the best tournaments ever for spectacle and not the bloated corporate scheidt it is now.

So let's forget all of that , and the Argentinian Junta running the country at the time, or Scotland's abysmal showing, it was great as a 14 year old kid to stay up late and watch some of those amazing games.
Sure. It was all in the past. We need a strong Argentina anyway. :suspect:
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Poor show from Chris McLaughlin (I think it was) on Reporting Scotland last night.

In a feature about Alan Stubbs' appointment at St. Mirren, the camera panned to the away dugout with McLaughlin drooling "There's going to be some illustrious names sitting here next year. Brendan Rodgers, Steve Clarke and Steven Gerrard."

No mention of Neil Lennon, who unlike the latter two names mentioned, has actually won trophies as a manager.
I wouldn’t lose any sleep over it.
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