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Topic Started: 1 Nov 2017, 11:12 PM (581,042 Views)
tocce 1973
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9 Jun 2018, 05:00 PM
Sitting waiting to pick my daughter up and put Radio Scotland on.

Hun love in with Chick Young, Kenny Miller and Kris Boyd.

Quickly turned off again.
Heard that. Same reaction aff.
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9 Jun 2018, 07:27 PM
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9 Jun 2018, 11:50 AM
Great interview* with Gordon Smith in today's Times

The man's a visionary**







*It's a strange puff piece, presumably because he is looking for a job

**He is an utter clown and the fact that he got the top job at the SFA in spite of meeting precisely none of the specified criteria is yet another travesty for that organisation


Curiously no question of Smith's impartiality following last weekend's piece on Murdoch MacLennan :ponder:
Reading the interview, Smith single-handedly moulded the game as we know it today.

He shows a sliver of self awareness in saying that McCoist and his staff treated him like an outsider.

But then blows it by saying it was because "they weren't used to working with a Director of Football".

So nothing at all to do with the fact that they thought Smith was an utter clown ?

You would have thought the vision shown in bringing in those Indian boys would have earned McCoist's admiration.

Or the way the Director of Football fought hard to get a work permit for Matt McKay.

And surely there would be absolutely nothing untoward in a Director of Football wanting to bring in players who were represented by his own son...


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Wikipedia has Scotland on 3 points. Reading Archie McPherson's book about Scotland's World Cup campaigns, and he doesn't mention points deducted.
There was no points deduction, if we had beaten Holland by 3 clear goals we were through. I think the press were the ones that said if we had done got the win by 3 goals we would have had points deducted but we had lost the Peru game and FIFA don't seem to do that to a team, all I know I was a tearful 13yr old at the time lol
There is another side to the game that day which is missed by many. Holland wanted to lose.

A loss to Scotland, under 3 goals, combined with a positive result for Peru, meant Holland finished 2nd in the group and avoided both Brazil and Argentina in the next group stage. Brazil and Argentina games had finished before hand.

Scotland scoring a third goal was not part of the plan, hence Holland scoring immediately after.

The 3-2 win for Scotland was a great result for one country, and it wasn't Scotland.
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9 Jun 2018, 11:55 PM
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7 Jun 2018, 08:59 PM
Wikipedia has Scotland on 3 points. Reading Archie McPherson's book about Scotland's World Cup campaigns, and he doesn't mention points deducted.
There was no points deduction, if we had beaten Holland by 3 clear goals we were through. I think the press were the ones that said if we had done got the win by 3 goals we would have had points deducted but we had lost the Peru game and FIFA don't seem to do that to a team, all I know I was a tearful 13yr old at the time lol
There is another side to the game that day which is missed by many. Holland wanted to lose.

A loss to Scotland, under 3 goals, combined with a positive result for Peru, meant Holland finished 2nd in the group and avoided both Brazil and Argentina in the next group stage. Brazil and Argentina games had finished before hand.

Scotland scoring a third goal was not part of the plan, hence Holland scoring immediately after.

The 3-2 win for Scotland was a great result for one country, and it wasn't Scotland.
Surprised Johnny Rep never just popped another 30 yarder in during the final when it was 1-1 given he apparently can do this to order.
Edited by Adam Smith 11, 10 Jun 2018, 12:13 AM.
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There is another side to the game that day which is missed by many. Holland wanted to lose.

A loss to Scotland, under 3 goals, combined with a positive result for Peru, meant Holland finished 2nd in the group and avoided both Brazil and Argentina in the next group stage. Brazil and Argentina games had finished before hand.

Scotland scoring a third goal was not part of the plan, hence Holland scoring immediately after.

The 3-2 win for Scotland was a great result for one country, and it wasn't Scotland.
Surprised Johnny Rep never just popped another 30 yarder in during the final when it was 1-1 given he apparently can do this to order.
and the Dutch did....nothing. For the rest of the game the most attacking team to come out of Europe sat back and accepted a single goal defeat, knowing that if Scotland scored again, and we nearly did, that they had a margin of error.

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There is another side to the game that day which is missed by many. Holland wanted to lose.

A loss to Scotland, under 3 goals, combined with a positive result for Peru, meant Holland finished 2nd in the group and avoided both Brazil and Argentina in the next group stage. Brazil and Argentina games had finished before hand.

Scotland scoring a third goal was not part of the plan, hence Holland scoring immediately after.

The 3-2 win for Scotland was a great result for one country, and it wasn't Scotland.
Surprised Johnny Rep never just popped another 30 yarder in during the final when it was 1-1 given he apparently can do this to order.
:lol:
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Surprised Johnny Rep never just popped another 30 yarder in during the final when it was 1-1 given he apparently can do this to order.
and the Dutch did....nothing. For the rest of the game the most attacking team to come out of Europe sat back and accepted a single goal defeat, knowing that if Scotland scored again, and we nearly did, that they had a margin of error.

maybe Scotland didn't let them play?
Rep's goal was a deflection - Gemmill tracked back, got his toe to the ball and his deflection took it into the net. Maybe if Gemmill hadn't put in the tackle, Scotland, with 20 minutes to go, might have scored another.
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Go look at the game. The Rep goal was the only time the Dutch engaged with the Scottish midfield after Scotland went 3-1, and they sliced us to bits.

They scored, they closed the game.

I don't think I'm being bonkers to think that Holland manufactured a result which suited them.
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It seems all the Scottish EBT players are getting some sort of pundit role or SFA role, so in effect the public are slowly but surely paying for the players caught up in this either through public broadcasting or paying fees to get Sky, BT or buying papers
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and the Dutch did....nothing. For the rest of the game the most attacking team to come out of Europe sat back and accepted a single goal defeat, knowing that if Scotland scored again, and we nearly did, that they had a margin of error.

maybe Scotland didn't let them play?
Rep's goal was a deflection - Gemmill tracked back, got his toe to the ball and his deflection took it into the net. Maybe if Gemmill hadn't put in the tackle, Scotland, with 20 minutes to go, might have scored another.
That was 2 belters Gemill scored then plus a pk .
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tocce 1973
9 Jun 2018, 08:38 PM
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9 Jun 2018, 05:00 PM
Sitting waiting to pick my daughter up and put Radio Scotland on.

Hun love in with Chick Young, Kenny Miller and Kris Boyd.

Quickly turned off again.
Heard that. Same reaction aff.
I thought it was odd having Kenny Miller on when it was patently obvious he couldn’t and wouldn’t speak about why he was papped out by the Huns. In saying that he said once it was sorted he would talk about it and other things which had been going on throughout the season- I think he’s going to stick the boot in.
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Miller is in the fortunate position that he's out of contract and thus there's no question of confidentiality agreements or the like. I think he'll dish at the right time ... for Kenny Miller.
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10 Jun 2018, 09:55 AM
Miller is in the fortunate position that he's out of contract and thus there's no question of confidentiality agreements or the like. I think he'll dish at the right time ... for Kenny Miller.
He is a grade A carrot and I wish him nothing but ill fortune
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Miller is in the fortunate position that he's out of contract and thus there's no question of confidentiality agreements or the like. I think he'll dish at the right time ... for Kenny Miller.
He is a grade A carrot and I wish him nothing but ill fortune
He is never a Celtic striker in a million years but we signed him.

Control, general finishing and running about like a headless gerbil got him far and he has earned some money out of the game by being a very average footballer. Kudos to his agent.

Personally he is an arse. His rotten bird causing fights and him calling in his gangster pal.

Nah definitely not for me. ;)
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Go look at the game. The Rep goal was the only time the Dutch engaged with the Scottish midfield after Scotland went 3-1, and they sliced us to bits.

They scored, they closed the game.

I don't think I'm being bonkers to think that Holland manufactured a result which suited them.
I’m not saying its bonkers it is just that their were easier ways to do it if they were so good and clever.

Let’s say it is true and they were looking to manufacture a 1-2 goal defeat. If Rep’s shot doesn’t go in which 9 times out of 10 it doesn’t, they have 20 minutes to play against a team containing some of the world’s best players at the time. Forgetting the collective failure of the 2 previous games Scotland were a good team

They either have to attack leaving themselves exposed at the back or defend deep which Scotland’s third goal showed they were not very good at ( great goal but woeful defending ).

The Dutch were rattled at that point you only need to look at their faces when the third went in, that was not a team who felt in control.

They were a great team and they may have tried to engineer a result to be clever but Scotland played fantastically well, Holland got lucky that Rep pulled that out or they would have had a hairy last 20 minutes. We will never know.

They sat back thereafter but that was game management not part of a controlled cat and mouse strategy.

If they were so good as to score on demand against us why wouldn’t they just got back to level terms at 2-1 and then let us score at the end if they were so in control. That would have been a far less risky strategy.

I buy the theory but i’m not so sure they planned it that way and if they did they nearly blew it because Scotland were far better than they assumed.


Edited by Adam Smith 11, 10 Jun 2018, 11:02 AM.
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Go look at the game. The Rep goal was the only time the Dutch engaged with the Scottish midfield after Scotland went 3-1, and they sliced us to bits.

They scored, they closed the game.

I don't think I'm being bonkers to think that Holland manufactured a result which suited them.
I don’t think losing 3 goals would have been in the plan.
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Watched that 78 story. What a complete shambles that tournament was.

The SFA and the manager did there best to see Scotland fail. Complete shambles.
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10 Jun 2018, 11:06 AM
Watched that 78 story. What a complete shambles that tournament was.

The SFA and the manager did there best to see Scotland fail. Complete shambles.
Way before my time, but it's actually incredible to ponder a reality where folk genuinely thought we were going to win the World Cup.

Not knowing a thing about the opposition, players failing drug tests & training conditions being farcical......good job the SFA have learned over the years.....
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Go look at the game. The Rep goal was the only time the Dutch engaged with the Scottish midfield after Scotland went 3-1, and they sliced us to bits.

They scored, they closed the game.

I don't think I'm being bonkers to think that Holland manufactured a result which suited them.
I’m not saying its bonkers it is just that their were easier ways to do it if they were so good and clever.

Let’s say it is true and they were looking to manufacture a 1-2 goal defeat. If Rep’s shot doesn’t go in which 9 times out of 10 it doesn’t, they have 20 minutes to play against a team containing some of the world’s best players at the time. Forgetting the collective failure of the 2 previous games Scotland were a good team

They either have to attack leaving themselves exposed at the back or defend deep which Scotland’s third goal showed they were not very good at ( great goal but woeful defending ).

The Dutch were rattled at that point you only need to look at their faces when the third went in, that was not a team who felt in control.

They were a great team and they may have tried to engineer a result to be clever but Scotland played fantastically well, Holland got lucky that Rep pulled that out or they would have had a hairy last 20 minutes. We will never know.

They sat back thereafter but that was game management not part of a controlled cat and mouse strategy.

If they were so good as to score on demand against us why wouldn’t they just got back to level terms at 2-1 and then let us score at the end if they were so in control. That would have been a far less risky strategy.

I buy the theory but i’m not so sure they planned it that way and if they did they nearly blew it because Scotland were far better than they assumed.


Rep's goal wouldn't have went in if Gemmill hadn't got a toe to the ball and caused it to deflect slightly
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