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Topic Started: 1 Nov 2017, 11:12 PM (581,198 Views)
Willie Wonka
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Nosferaru’s breathless attempts to get advocaat to praise mcinness was a thing of beauty :lol:
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8 Nov 2017, 07:14 PM
BBC Radio Scotland's lead sports story (and online) -

"Dick Advocaat thinks Aberdeen boss Derek McInnes is ready for Ibrox"

No agenda. No siree.



séance with Lex McLean coming up soon.
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Willie Wonka
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8 Nov 2017, 07:14 PM
BBC Radio Scotland's lead sports story (and online) -

"Dick Advocaat thinks Aberdeen boss Derek McInnes is ready for Ibrox"

No agenda. No siree.



'He's the right age'. 'Hes's done well at Aberdeen ' hardly a ringing endorsement. From what I heard on the radio dick was playing it very cagey as nosferatu tried to get him to gush over Mcinnes.
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8 Nov 2017, 10:32 PM
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8 Nov 2017, 07:14 PM
BBC Radio Scotland's lead sports story (and online) -

"Dick Advocaat thinks Aberdeen boss Derek McInnes is ready for Ibrox"

No agenda. No siree.



'He's the right age'. 'Hes's done well at Aberdeen ' hardly a ringing endorsement. From what I heard on the radio dick was playing it very cagey as nosferatu tried to get him to gush over Mcinnes.
"Who is he?" didn't figure?
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8 Nov 2017, 05:16 PM
There's not a self employed person that doesn't indulge in some form of tax avoidance . Smaller scale , just as legal . Are they immoral in doing so?
A lot of self employed people have no choice but to set up that way as real full time PAYE jobs are getting more and more scarce.

If they have to buy equipment to do their job or are entitled to claim certain expenses, is that any different from a salaried employee getting a wedge from the government for their pension pot, or tax free vouchers to buy a bike and accessories, or probably any other number of company benefits that their employer will probably write off tax against?

I'm sure most of them would prefer the certainty of a steady wage, sickness and holiday pay but then they're in clover because they can claim a few pence on the mile.

The bbc is full of sole trader Ltd companies. Richard Gordon is "freelance" despite presenting Sportsound for years. I'd expect that he operates a perfectly legal tax efficient system to maximise his salary / dividends.
I asked Mark Daly last night on twitter if he was Ltd company or staff. He replied very quickly that he was staff presumably as he knew where I was going and wanted to shut down that particular line. Fact is that he knows people in his industry that are being tax efficient. It's a gamble that some people take. I know of guys in my industry that have done it for years and they make a good living from it. I also know a couple of people who were pushing the envelope a bit much and HMRC caught up with them.

Unfortunately large companies aided by the uk government have created this system. The days of a job for life is well and truly over. Companies will punt workers at the drop of a hat to maximise profit and treat them like crap whenever they can. A recession is ideal conditions for this behaviour. Its little wonder people these days have a grab-all-you-can attitude and only pay lip service to social responsibility.

I blame Thatcher and I've officially turned into my Dad.
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MESSI: DEL IS THE MAN FOR GERS

Barca legend backs McInnes for top job

Michael Gannon and Keith Jackson

Barcelona superstar Lionel Messi tonight called for Derek McInnes to be appointed the new manager of Rangers as quickly as possible.

The Argentinian ace even indicated he would jet in if required to influence talks between the Ibrox board and their North East counterparts.

Even though Messi is deeply involved with the Champions League his thoughts have never strayed far from the ongoing events in Govan. And he offered this opinion after we contacted him in Spain.

"Sorry who? Derek's what? Clinic? Who is this?" gushed the diminutive Barca schemer.

The multi-award winning ace then laughed at suggestions Rangers would lag behind arch-rivals Celtic for the foreseeable future.

"The line is really bad, Walter who? Tormentor Derek? His father's figure? Can you please stop calling this number"

Proof if required that McInnes has the backing of the world of football as he takes on his new role up the marble staircase of dreams.



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cautious dave
8 Nov 2017, 10:42 PM
Ned Rise
8 Nov 2017, 07:48 PM
Bhoyball
8 Nov 2017, 05:16 PM
There's not a self employed person that doesn't indulge in some form of tax avoidance . Smaller scale , just as legal . Are they immoral in doing so?
A lot of self employed people have no choice but to set up that way as real full time PAYE jobs are getting more and more scarce.

If they have to buy equipment to do their job or are entitled to claim certain expenses, is that any different from a salaried employee getting a wedge from the government for their pension pot, or tax free vouchers to buy a bike and accessories, or probably any other number of company benefits that their employer will probably write off tax against?

I'm sure most of them would prefer the certainty of a steady wage, sickness and holiday pay but then they're in clover because they can claim a few pence on the mile.

The bbc is full of sole trader Ltd companies. Richard Gordon is "freelance" despite presenting Sportsound for years. I'd expect that he operates a perfectly legal tax efficient system to maximise his salary / dividends.
I asked Mark Daly last night on twitter if he was Ltd company or staff. He replied very quickly that he was staff presumably as he knew where I was going and wanted to shut down that particular line. Fact is that he knows people in his industry that are being tax efficient. It's a gamble that some people take. I know of guys in my industry that have done it for years and they make a good living from it. I also know a couple of people who were pushing the envelope a bit much and HMRC caught up with them.

Unfortunately large companies aided by the uk government have created this system. The days of a job for life is well and truly over. Companies will punt workers at the drop of a hat to maximise profit and treat them like crap whenever they can. A recession is ideal conditions for this behaviour. Its little wonder people these days have a grab-all-you-can attitude and only pay lip service to social responsibility.

I blame Thatcher and I've officially turned into my Dad.
The BBC don't give out long contracts for a lot of roles these days. Three months, six months if you're lucky.

Like I say a lot of folk would rather have the certainty of a wage with benefits. If Richard Gordon is largely office based and using their equipment I'd be surprised if he's not getting taxed at source.

I think a lot of this will become moot in the not to distant future anyway when people are forced to get paid through umbrella companies in the private sector as well as contractors in the public sector. The principle of paying to get paid is now established (and sorting out your own holiday pay) and I wouldn't be surprised if payroll departments in other companies are binned.

Just like an extra tax as you hang onto a zero hours job while the food banks can't cope and the billionaires get their baws tickled with ostrich feathers.

I'm sure there are some people in some industries that have done okay but there's a reason why more people are self employed or starting companies of one and it's not because of a great sudden burst of entrepreneurial zeal. It's because there's feck all out there of any substance. The point being there really is no moral equivalence between someone trying to keep a roof over their head by using the same laws that bigger companies take advantage of and some billionaire (or multinational) or global superstar nabbing all the wealth for themselves while weans go hungry and governments let you die for the sin of poverty.
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Bhoyball
8 Nov 2017, 05:16 PM
There's not a self employed person that doesn't indulge in some form of tax avoidance . Smaller scale , just as legal . Are they immoral in doing so?
yes

You are that bawfaced tory on question time enjoying every freebie from the Scottish Government but appalled that her tax might have to pay for it

and by the way,next time you are in the crowd at Question Time wear a different coloured dress, that did not match your complexion
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I’m less bothered about Mark Daly doing whatever he does than I am about the conduct of the Press for just about as long as I’ve been around.

Murray, pre and post implosion, is a character ripe for a whole series of documentaries. His remarkable renaissance having written off, at the expense ultimately of the taxpayer, several hundred million has passed without any meaningful comment in the Press. Then there was Whyte, a man so transparently not what he was presented to be. And King, who has made umpteen grandiose statements, ranging from the inconsistent to down right whoppers. You could have spent a lifetime door stepping this cast of characters, yet their treatment in the Press has ranged from soft soap to outright hagiography.

I think all anyone would hope for is a sense that there is no slant on it, but I’ve lived through hearses parked outside Celtic Park for comic effect, “thugs and thieves” headlines and disgraceful comparisons between Fergus and Saddam Hussain. And now, we have outright liquidation denial, frankly bizarre rhetoric involving hitherto unknown concepts (the company that used to own the club) and EBT recipients pontificating on national radio having never once faced a question about tax. All delivered with a pious “turn the other cheek” instruction that might be easier to swallow if the whole shambles at Ibrox was not being aggressively airbrushed out of history. Just exactly why should I be required to buy the life after liquidation keech that I read and hear endlessly for the good of the game? Why should one club be allowed to operate a broken business model with members of the Press rushing to present multi million pound losses as reasons to be cheerful?

Whether it’s fear or favour, I don’t care. A bit of even handedness would be nice.
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Big Sutty sticking it to Tony Cascarino and Joey Barton in his column.

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samscafeamericain
9 Nov 2017, 05:23 AM
Bhoyball
8 Nov 2017, 05:16 PM
There's not a self employed person that doesn't indulge in some form of tax avoidance . Smaller scale , just as legal . Are they immoral in doing so?
yes

You are that bawfaced tory on question time enjoying every freebie from the Scottish Government but appalled that her tax might have to pay for it

and by the way,next time you are in the crowd at Question Time wear a different coloured dress, that did not match your complexion
What you on about ya fannie i didn't say i wouldn't do the same of course i would. I was stating facts.
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9 Nov 2017, 09:49 AM
samscafeamericain
9 Nov 2017, 05:23 AM
Bhoyball
8 Nov 2017, 05:16 PM
There's not a self employed person that doesn't indulge in some form of tax avoidance . Smaller scale , just as legal . Are they immoral in doing so?
yes

You are that bawfaced tory on question time enjoying every freebie from the Scottish Government but appalled that her tax might have to pay for it

and by the way,next time you are in the crowd at Question Time wear a different coloured dress, that did not match your complexion
What you on about ya fannie i didn't say i wouldn't do the same of course i would. I was stating facts.
Claiming tax back for example on things that you need to buy in order to work (as opposed to having your employer supply them to you for free) isn't tax avoidance. You're entitled to do it.

Shoving your tax affairs through the Bahamas is tax avoidance. You won't find many painters and decorators in the Paradise Papers.

Anyway, Dermot Desmond is a mere footnote in all of this so far. Today's names are the likes of Madonna and Justin Timberlake. I'm sure Twitter is in pure meltdown at the affront.

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8 Nov 2017, 08:58 PM
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8 Nov 2017, 08:23 PM
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8 Nov 2017, 05:14 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deephttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-23587678

Do you mean this story??
Corsica 1968’s post

This is what I was responding to; specifically the claim that the threats of a senior BBC manager had made these journalists think twice about making a documentary about the funds going missing. I assume the charity event in question is the same one but I’m sure Corsica1968 can confirm.
I'm waiting on Corsica1968 to respond, cause I'd like to ask him why the bbc would go to such lengths to prevent a documentary being made on the subject yet run the story as a news item? I smell a shampooe smear job.
The BBC simply reported (1) that the charity was under investigation by OSCR and (2) the outcome of that investigation. They did not investigate or report on the detailed facts of what actually happened - investigative journalism if you like.

As I have stated, they are in possession of full details including stuff that I cannot put in the public domain without endangering sources and they could/should have exposed it a lot wider than my blog. In that way, the true culprits would have been identified and inevitably punished accordingly. Instead, they merely regurgitated the press releases put out by OSCR thereby failing in their public duty and allowing OSCR to whitewash the situation- no different to Jackson, Williams, etc.

All of the details are still available on my blog which I continue to stand by and which has actually been verified by OSCR’s own investigation and flawed/heavily-edited report. That, I think, establishes my credentials.

If you don’t want to believe me that’s your look-out, but, given that you evidently know sweet fa about the situation other than what I have posted, I would say you are the one who is doing the shampoo smearing.

End of discussion.
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9 Nov 2017, 05:23 AM

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What you on about ya fannie i didn't say i wouldn't do the same of course i would. I was stating facts.
Claiming tax back for example on things that you need to buy in order to work (as opposed to having your employer supply them to you for free) isn't tax avoidance. You're entitled to do it.

Shoving your tax affairs through the Bahamas is tax avoidance. You won't find many painters and decorators in the Paradise Papers.

Anyway, Dermot Desmond is a mere footnote in all of this so far. Today's names are the likes of Madonna and Justin Timberlake. I'm sure Twitter is in pure meltdown at the affront.

Your being very naive if you think painters and decorators don't actively try and avoid tax. They will be up to every trick in the book. As i said so would i . I'm just statingthat it's in our nature to pay as little tax as possible. From the small man to the billionaires.
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Bhoyball
9 Nov 2017, 09:49 AM

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Claiming tax back for example on things that you need to buy in order to work (as opposed to having your employer supply them to you for free) isn't tax avoidance. You're entitled to do it.

Shoving your tax affairs through the Bahamas is tax avoidance. You won't find many painters and decorators in the Paradise Papers.

Anyway, Dermot Desmond is a mere footnote in all of this so far. Today's names are the likes of Madonna and Justin Timberlake. I'm sure Twitter is in pure meltdown at the affront.

Your being very naive if you think painters and decorators don't actively try and avoid tax. They will be up to every trick in the book. As i said so would i . I'm just statingthat it's in our nature to pay as little tax as possible. From the small man to the billionaires.
Aye everybody's at it, so we're all in the same yacht really.
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9 Nov 2017, 12:48 AM


"Sorry who? Derek's what? Clinic? Who is this?" gushed the diminutive Barca schemer.





Almost spilt my coffee on the keyboard there TS ya bassa :lol: :lol:
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Bhoyball
9 Nov 2017, 09:49 AM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
Claiming tax back for example on things that you need to buy in order to work (as opposed to having your employer supply them to you for free) isn't tax avoidance. You're entitled to do it.

Shoving your tax affairs through the Bahamas is tax avoidance. You won't find many painters and decorators in the Paradise Papers.

Anyway, Dermot Desmond is a mere footnote in all of this so far. Today's names are the likes of Madonna and Justin Timberlake. I'm sure Twitter is in pure meltdown at the affront.

Your being very naive if you think painters and decorators don't actively try and avoid tax. They will be up to every trick in the book. As i said so would i . I'm just statingthat it's in our nature to pay as little tax as possible. From the small man to the billionaires.
i had a taxi and was self employed. unfortunately my area wasnt busy enough for me to send cash to the BVI but i did claim back everything that i was entitled too. on the odd occasion id pocket the last fare of the day, not record it in my wee book and put it in a jar in the hall. my tips were kept in another jar for a rainy day (not recorded).
my last fare jar ususally bought me a couple of pints and an indian on a sunday evening. the tips jar was dipped into on a bad day when id come home with 40 quid in my bag from a day in the rank.
beleive you me, there is a massive difference :thumbsup:


Edited by Busa Bhoy, 9 Nov 2017, 10:44 AM.
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Bhoyball
9 Nov 2017, 09:49 AM

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Claiming tax back for example on things that you need to buy in order to work (as opposed to having your employer supply them to you for free) isn't tax avoidance. You're entitled to do it.

Shoving your tax affairs through the Bahamas is tax avoidance. You won't find many painters and decorators in the Paradise Papers.

Anyway, Dermot Desmond is a mere footnote in all of this so far. Today's names are the likes of Madonna and Justin Timberlake. I'm sure Twitter is in pure meltdown at the affront.

Your being very naive if you think painters and decorators don't actively try and avoid tax. They will be up to every trick in the book. As i said so would i . I'm just statingthat it's in our nature to pay as little tax as possible. From the small man to the billionaires.
and my point is they are immoral and akin to bawfaced tory supporters greetin about having to pay tax while hoovering up everything provided from the public purse

Next time you feel like complaining about crap roads or failing schools just remember that wee tax free backhander/under the table job you did contributed to that
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deephttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-23587678Corsica 1968’s post

This is what I was responding to; specifically the claim that the threats of a senior BBC manager had made these journalists think twice about making a documentary about the funds going missing. I assume the charity event in question is the same one but I’m sure Corsica1968 can confirm.
I'm waiting on Corsica1968 to respond, cause I'd like to ask him why the bbc would go to such lengths to prevent a documentary being made on the subject yet run the story as a news item? I smell a shampooe smear job.
The BBC simply reported (1) that the charity was under investigation by OSCR and (2) the outcome of that investigation. They did not investigate or report on the detailed facts of what actually happened - investigative journalism if you like.

As I have stated, they are in possession of full details including stuff that I cannot put in the public domain without endangering sources and they could/should have exposed it a lot wider than my blog. In that way, the true culprits would have been identified and inevitably punished accordingly. Instead, they merely regurgitated the press releases put out by OSCR thereby failing in their public duty and allowing OSCR to whitewash the situation- no different to Jackson, Williams, etc.

All of the details are still available on my blog which I continue to stand by and which has actually been verified by OSCR’s own investigation and flawed/heavily-edited report. That, I think, establishes my credentials.

If you don’t want to believe me that’s your look-out, but, given that you evidently know sweet fa about the situation other than what I have posted, I would say you are the one who is doing the shampoo smearing.

End of discussion.
Thats you telt. Dont you dare have an opinion :boxer:
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Your being very naive if you think painters and decorators don't actively try and avoid tax. They will be up to every trick in the book. As i said so would i . I'm just statingthat it's in our nature to pay as little tax as possible. From the small man to the billionaires.
Aye everybody's at it, so we're all in the same yacht really.
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