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22 Apr 2018, 10:48 AM
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Waddell telling them the facts of life in the Mail today. Spoiler: click to toggle
Time for a few introductions. Rangers fans … meet the Foundation of Hearts. Meet the St Mirren Independent Supporters Association. Meet the Well Society.
You’re bigger than all of them put together, three times over. You’re the second biggest shareholder in the second biggest club in the country.
Yet they have something you don’t. Their clubs’ destinies in their own hands.
It’s time to ask yourselves – and ask them – how that happened. Then find a way of making it happen for you.
Because if you’re all still dumb enough to think the future of your own club should lie in the hands of Dave King or anyone remotely like him?
Hell mend you.
Constantly filling all four sides of Ibrox like vulnerable chicks in a nest, mouths agape, waiting for daddy Dave to come home to feed you.
Then just accepting the shovelfuls of excrement he tips down your throat on a daily basis without question.
Will there never be a point where you choke on all the s***?
The permanently inane statements, the awful recruitment, the disgraceful handling of the Derek McInnes affair, the stupidity of undermining Graeme Murty last week, the pointless confrontations in court over the takeover.
Aided and abetted by Alastair Johnston trying to tell you you’ve never had it so good, that you should be grateful you’re “ahead of the curve”.
“We’re probably doing a little better than we imagined running out at Brechin in the fourth tier,” Johnston said.
Is he kidding?
Six years to establish a new culture and a new baseline for a club with the second biggest budget in the country and they couldn’t foresee better than a battle to avoid fourth? There are amoeba with more vivid imaginations than that.
So how do you fix Rangers?
The saddest thing is that the answer is exactly the same as it was in 2012 – but they still haven’t figured it out.
It doesn’t lie in sugar daddies or over-investing or chasing another club who are so far beyond your horizon you can’t even see their trail of dust.
It doesn’t lie in the pie in the sky aim of stopping 10-in-a-row.
It lies in fundamentals. It lies in moving inch by inch forward rather than trying to take every short cut going and winding up further away than where you started.
The trouble was, no one asked the right questions at the start. Rangers had a blank sheet of paper but never established what they wanted a 21st century version of the club to look like.
Instead, they defaulted to the old ‘We are the people’ sense of entitlement, the ‘We’re Rangers so will behave like Rangers’ mantra.
And they’re suffering the consequences for their lack of foresight.
But if the fans could find true leadership and cohesion it shouldn’t be too late for them to establish a new baseline.
If Hearts, St Mirren and Motherwell can find a sustainable model, then how can a club with 50,000 supporters there every home match not manage it?
Especially when their latent support is as substantial.
I watched the Scottish Cup semi-final with Celtic in a casino in Gold Coast, Australia, last week.
There were Gers fans there suffering every bit as much as those in the stands at Hampden.
They still feel invested in their club, despite their disenfranchisement. That can still be harnessed.
What they must realise though is that sorting Rangers was – and still is – a long-term project.
They can’t be gullible enough to think there’s a quick fix still just around the corner. They’ve wasted six years looking for a unicorn farting moonbeams and they can’t afford to waste any more.
They’re still built on shifting sands, despite all the promises.
In the past four years, the losses they’ve posted in their accounts go back £6.7m, £3.3m. £7.5m and £8.1m.
They still have in excess of £17m of ‘soft loans’ that they insist will be turned into equity as soon as they’re able to get a share issue off the ground.
Those aren’t the foundations for a great leap forward. So the fans have to mobilise, unify, find cohesion and leadership, and understand their own power.
Not just blindly renew their 40,000-plus season tickets. Their Union Bears are planning a silent protest for the Hearts game today – is it possible to make a morgue more quiet? – but they need their voices heard, not quelled.
The problem they’ve always had is not having a single voice to represent them. The establishment of Club 1872 was supposed to put paid to that, an amalgam of the Rangers Supporters Trust and RangersFirst, as a vehicle to buy up shares and create themselves a force.
But there’s still a bit of Monty Python about them – they’re still the Judean People’s Front one week and the People’s Front of Judea the next.
To be credible, they need a reliable figurehead to carry them forward. Hearts, St Mirren and Motherwell all say that establishing a unity of purpose was pivotal in them getting momentum.
Either way, they’re Rangers’ only road to salvation right now. Not King.
They require a sustainable template and getting it right – not getting it quick – should be their only focus.
If they can get a membership scheme up and running, they can create a rock-solid bank of last resort for their club.
The Foundation of Hearts transfers £1.5m a year into the coffers every year from 8000 members.
But Rangers fans need leadership. They’re getting none from the top, so they’re going to have to look within.
And instead of King being forced to offer to buy their shares, they should be trying to find a way to buy his.
My question(s) for Waddell is, who would they invest in, what would they invest in, there has been no clarity about who actually owns what, Charles Greene & Craig Whyte may well have ownership of some things or at least catering contracts etc affiliated to them. Then there are the Club/Company shenanigans who exactly are the club is it Rangers International Football Club or The Rangers Football Club both incorporated in 2012 The later The Rangers Football Club got granted a special license in 2012 for Sevco Scotland to play football v Brechin (please note Football Clubs play football, companies don't) Maybe Mr Waddell these Qs should be addressed by the media as fans of Sevco Scotland are not exactly the brightest. more importantly, if the £17 million worth of soft loans are turned into shares, then the total shares would be worth in excess of £30 million I reckon - how does a supporters group raise more than £15 million to gain a majority holding? It was still a good read and as my mate is fond of saying, "it's the hope that kills them"
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22 Apr 2018, 10:49 AM
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- 22 Apr 2018, 10:48 AM
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- 22 Apr 2018, 10:44 AM
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- 22 Apr 2018, 10:17 AM
Waddell telling them the facts of life in the Mail today. Spoiler: click to toggle
Time for a few introductions. Rangers fans … meet the Foundation of Hearts. Meet the St Mirren Independent Supporters Association. Meet the Well Society.
You’re bigger than all of them put together, three times over. You’re the second biggest shareholder in the second biggest club in the country.
Yet they have something you don’t. Their clubs’ destinies in their own hands.
It’s time to ask yourselves – and ask them – how that happened. Then find a way of making it happen for you.
Because if you’re all still dumb enough to think the future of your own club should lie in the hands of Dave King or anyone remotely like him?
Hell mend you.
Constantly filling all four sides of Ibrox like vulnerable chicks in a nest, mouths agape, waiting for daddy Dave to come home to feed you.
Then just accepting the shovelfuls of excrement he tips down your throat on a daily basis without question.
Will there never be a point where you choke on all the s***?
The permanently inane statements, the awful recruitment, the disgraceful handling of the Derek McInnes affair, the stupidity of undermining Graeme Murty last week, the pointless confrontations in court over the takeover.
Aided and abetted by Alastair Johnston trying to tell you you’ve never had it so good, that you should be grateful you’re “ahead of the curve”.
“We’re probably doing a little better than we imagined running out at Brechin in the fourth tier,” Johnston said.
Is he kidding?
Six years to establish a new culture and a new baseline for a club with the second biggest budget in the country and they couldn’t foresee better than a battle to avoid fourth? There are amoeba with more vivid imaginations than that.
So how do you fix Rangers?
The saddest thing is that the answer is exactly the same as it was in 2012 – but they still haven’t figured it out.
It doesn’t lie in sugar daddies or over-investing or chasing another club who are so far beyond your horizon you can’t even see their trail of dust.
It doesn’t lie in the pie in the sky aim of stopping 10-in-a-row.
It lies in fundamentals. It lies in moving inch by inch forward rather than trying to take every short cut going and winding up further away than where you started.
The trouble was, no one asked the right questions at the start. Rangers had a blank sheet of paper but never established what they wanted a 21st century version of the club to look like.
Instead, they defaulted to the old ‘We are the people’ sense of entitlement, the ‘We’re Rangers so will behave like Rangers’ mantra.
And they’re suffering the consequences for their lack of foresight.
But if the fans could find true leadership and cohesion it shouldn’t be too late for them to establish a new baseline.
If Hearts, St Mirren and Motherwell can find a sustainable model, then how can a club with 50,000 supporters there every home match not manage it?
Especially when their latent support is as substantial.
I watched the Scottish Cup semi-final with Celtic in a casino in Gold Coast, Australia, last week.
There were Gers fans there suffering every bit as much as those in the stands at Hampden.
They still feel invested in their club, despite their disenfranchisement. That can still be harnessed.
What they must realise though is that sorting Rangers was – and still is – a long-term project.
They can’t be gullible enough to think there’s a quick fix still just around the corner. They’ve wasted six years looking for a unicorn farting moonbeams and they can’t afford to waste any more.
They’re still built on shifting sands, despite all the promises.
In the past four years, the losses they’ve posted in their accounts go back £6.7m, £3.3m. £7.5m and £8.1m.
They still have in excess of £17m of ‘soft loans’ that they insist will be turned into equity as soon as they’re able to get a share issue off the ground.
Those aren’t the foundations for a great leap forward. So the fans have to mobilise, unify, find cohesion and leadership, and understand their own power.
Not just blindly renew their 40,000-plus season tickets. Their Union Bears are planning a silent protest for the Hearts game today – is it possible to make a morgue more quiet? – but they need their voices heard, not quelled.
The problem they’ve always had is not having a single voice to represent them. The establishment of Club 1872 was supposed to put paid to that, an amalgam of the Rangers Supporters Trust and RangersFirst, as a vehicle to buy up shares and create themselves a force.
But there’s still a bit of Monty Python about them – they’re still the Judean People’s Front one week and the People’s Front of Judea the next.
To be credible, they need a reliable figurehead to carry them forward. Hearts, St Mirren and Motherwell all say that establishing a unity of purpose was pivotal in them getting momentum.
Either way, they’re Rangers’ only road to salvation right now. Not King.
They require a sustainable template and getting it right – not getting it quick – should be their only focus.
If they can get a membership scheme up and running, they can create a rock-solid bank of last resort for their club.
The Foundation of Hearts transfers £1.5m a year into the coffers every year from 8000 members.
But Rangers fans need leadership. They’re getting none from the top, so they’re going to have to look within.
And instead of King being forced to offer to buy their shares, they should be trying to find a way to buy his.
My question(s) for Waddell is, who would they invest in, what would they invest in, there has been no clarity about who actually owns what, Charles Greene & Craig Whyte may well have ownership of some things or at least catering contracts etc affiliated to them. Then there are the Club/Company shenanigans who exactly are the club is it Rangers International Football Club or The Rangers Football Club both incorporated in 2012 The later The Rangers Football Club got granted a special license in 2012 for Sevco Scotland to play football v Brechin (please note Football Clubs play football, companies don't) Maybe Mr Waddell these Qs should be addressed by the media as fans of Sevco Scotland are not exactly the brightest.
more importantly, if the £17 million worth of soft loans are turned into shares, then the total shares would be worth in excess of £30 million I reckon - how does a supporters group raise more than £15 million to gain a majority holding? It was still a good read and as my mate is fond of saying, "it's the hope that kills them" Would the launch not dilute the value of the existing shares though?
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22 Apr 2018, 11:11 AM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deep Spoiler: click to toggle
Time for a few introductions. Rangers fans … meet the Foundation of Hearts. Meet the St Mirren Independent Supporters Association. Meet the Well Society.
You’re bigger than all of them put together, three times over. You’re the second biggest shareholder in the second biggest club in the country.
Yet they have something you don’t. Their clubs’ destinies in their own hands.
It’s time to ask yourselves – and ask them – how that happened. Then find a way of making it happen for you.
Because if you’re all still dumb enough to think the future of your own club should lie in the hands of Dave King or anyone remotely like him?
Hell mend you.
Constantly filling all four sides of Ibrox like vulnerable chicks in a nest, mouths agape, waiting for daddy Dave to come home to feed you.
Then just accepting the shovelfuls of excrement he tips down your throat on a daily basis without question.
Will there never be a point where you choke on all the s***?
The permanently inane statements, the awful recruitment, the disgraceful handling of the Derek McInnes affair, the stupidity of undermining Graeme Murty last week, the pointless confrontations in court over the takeover.
Aided and abetted by Alastair Johnston trying to tell you you’ve never had it so good, that you should be grateful you’re “ahead of the curve”.
“We’re probably doing a little better than we imagined running out at Brechin in the fourth tier,” Johnston said.
Is he kidding?
Six years to establish a new culture and a new baseline for a club with the second biggest budget in the country and they couldn’t foresee better than a battle to avoid fourth? There are amoeba with more vivid imaginations than that.
So how do you fix Rangers?
The saddest thing is that the answer is exactly the same as it was in 2012 – but they still haven’t figured it out.
It doesn’t lie in sugar daddies or over-investing or chasing another club who are so far beyond your horizon you can’t even see their trail of dust.
It doesn’t lie in the pie in the sky aim of stopping 10-in-a-row.
It lies in fundamentals. It lies in moving inch by inch forward rather than trying to take every short cut going and winding up further away than where you started.
The trouble was, no one asked the right questions at the start. Rangers had a blank sheet of paper but never established what they wanted a 21st century version of the club to look like.
Instead, they defaulted to the old ‘We are the people’ sense of entitlement, the ‘We’re Rangers so will behave like Rangers’ mantra.
And they’re suffering the consequences for their lack of foresight.
But if the fans could find true leadership and cohesion it shouldn’t be too late for them to establish a new baseline.
If Hearts, St Mirren and Motherwell can find a sustainable model, then how can a club with 50,000 supporters there every home match not manage it?
Especially when their latent support is as substantial.
I watched the Scottish Cup semi-final with Celtic in a casino in Gold Coast, Australia, last week.
There were Gers fans there suffering every bit as much as those in the stands at Hampden.
They still feel invested in their club, despite their disenfranchisement. That can still be harnessed.
What they must realise though is that sorting Rangers was – and still is – a long-term project.
They can’t be gullible enough to think there’s a quick fix still just around the corner. They’ve wasted six years looking for a unicorn farting moonbeams and they can’t afford to waste any more.
They’re still built on shifting sands, despite all the promises.
In the past four years, the losses they’ve posted in their accounts go back £6.7m, £3.3m. £7.5m and £8.1m.
They still have in excess of £17m of ‘soft loans’ that they insist will be turned into equity as soon as they’re able to get a share issue off the ground.
Those aren’t the foundations for a great leap forward. So the fans have to mobilise, unify, find cohesion and leadership, and understand their own power.
Not just blindly renew their 40,000-plus season tickets. Their Union Bears are planning a silent protest for the Hearts game today – is it possible to make a morgue more quiet? – but they need their voices heard, not quelled.
The problem they’ve always had is not having a single voice to represent them. The establishment of Club 1872 was supposed to put paid to that, an amalgam of the Rangers Supporters Trust and RangersFirst, as a vehicle to buy up shares and create themselves a force.
But there’s still a bit of Monty Python about them – they’re still the Judean People’s Front one week and the People’s Front of Judea the next.
To be credible, they need a reliable figurehead to carry them forward. Hearts, St Mirren and Motherwell all say that establishing a unity of purpose was pivotal in them getting momentum.
Either way, they’re Rangers’ only road to salvation right now. Not King.
They require a sustainable template and getting it right – not getting it quick – should be their only focus.
If they can get a membership scheme up and running, they can create a rock-solid bank of last resort for their club.
The Foundation of Hearts transfers £1.5m a year into the coffers every year from 8000 members.
But Rangers fans need leadership. They’re getting none from the top, so they’re going to have to look within.
And instead of King being forced to offer to buy their shares, they should be trying to find a way to buy his.
Rangers International Football Club or The Rangers Football Club both incorporated in 2012 The later The Rangers Football Club got granted a special license in 2012 for Sevco Scotland to play football v Brechin (please note Football Clubs play football, companies don't) Maybe Mr Waddell these Qs should be addressed by the media as fans of Sevco Scotland are not exactly the brightest.
more importantly, if the £17 million worth of soft loans are turned into shares, then the total shares would be worth in excess of £30 million I reckon - how does a supporters group raise more than £15 million to gain a majority holding? It was still a good read and as my mate is fond of saying, "it's the hope that kills them"
Would the launch not dilute the value of the existing shares though? yes, I imagine so, but you've got to think converting the soft loans into shares would make those shares worth £17 million and add on the existing shares, whatever their value would be, would still mean that a fans group needing to come up with £10 - £15 million to get a majority vote - I think!!!
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22 Apr 2018, 06:25 PM
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apologies if this is already posted
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vR9isjJmwog
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22 Apr 2018, 06:52 PM
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"anyone putting a football club before the security of his family needs to have a word with himself".
I wonder which clubs Provan believes would have been willing to pay Wallace more than stupid fc at that time? His pedigree is a myth. Wallace stuck with sevco for the benefit of his wallet and the detriment of his career - it backfired on him in double quick time. 100% correct mate. I've just read that 'column' again, and wondered "where in the UK would Wallace, as a pretty average LB" earn that sort of money? Answer? Sevco. Eff off Provan.
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22 Apr 2018, 09:01 PM
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https://mobile.twitter.com/garydoc777/status/988109983660298240 Interesting
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noticed that as well...shady dealings at the beeb...
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Always a good marker for how the aveage englander thinks/feels...talksport.
Stopped listening to it due to Barton for the 20 minute ride to work this morning. Barton now not on it.
Ray Parlour & Brazil.
Brazil asks him " Who do you think for the Arsenal job Ray....."
Not one mention of the Gaffer.
Allegri, Enrique etc.
BR will not be going there me thinks.
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- how does a supporters group raise more than £15 million to gain a majority holding? It was still a good read and as my mate is fond of saying, "it's the hope that kills them" Sell out twenty "charity" matches?
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noticed that as well...shady dealings at the beeb... thats good, that keeps them thinking that everything is ok
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23 Apr 2018, 06:54 PM
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Tom English on the appointment of Ian Maxwell "he's a Lawell man". Well that's him tarred.
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23 Apr 2018, 07:25 PM
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Simply the ongoing Taigification of the SFA, and Scotland as a whole.
Simply wouldn't have happened in the days of Mr Struth.
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23 Apr 2018, 07:27 PM
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Tom English on the appointment of Ian Maxwell "he's a Lawell man". Well that's him tarred. The SFA could do with more ‘Lawwell men’ i.e. people who know how to do their job.
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23 Apr 2018, 08:31 PM
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Good wee debate about Rodgers and ' connections ' down south, missed most of it, but the wee man Strachan sings the praises about the job, Talksport right now.
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- 23 Apr 2018, 08:28 AM
Always a good marker for how the aveage englander thinks/feels...talksport.
Stopped listening to it due to Barton for the 20 minute ride to work this morning. Barton now not on it.
Ray Parlour & Brazil.
Brazil asks him " Who do you think for the Arsenal job Ray....."
Not one mention of the Gaffer.
Allegri, Enrique etc.
BR will not be going there me thinks.
I doubt he'll even be approached.
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23 Apr 2018, 09:53 PM
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Always a good marker for how the aveage englander thinks/feels...talksport.
Stopped listening to it due to Barton for the 20 minute ride to work this morning. Barton now not on it.
Ray Parlour & Brazil.
Brazil asks him " Who do you think for the Arsenal job Ray....."
Not one mention of the Gaffer.
Allegri, Enrique etc.
BR will not be going there me thinks.
I doubt he'll even be approached. I genuinely think BR wants to become a Celtic legend and leave when he's completed the 10 - can't imagine there are any jobs that will tempt him until we get the 10, then he'll go with all our blessings -and if we don't make it, I reckon he'll leave as well.
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They’re desperate to get back into Ibrox
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- Willie Wonka
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- tonyjaa-csc
- 22 Apr 2018, 09:01 PM
They’re desperate to get back into Ibrox Why would that be shown? Is Sportscene live?
If not, that can easily be edited, no?
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