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19 Apr 2018, 11:20 PM
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Worth it for Derek's half time reports on Open All Mics.
In remember him saying he gives a fair assumption of the match he has just watched.

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20 Apr 2018, 09:58 AM
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cracked crests on the back of The Hun today
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20 Apr 2018, 11:57 AM
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cracked crests on the back of The Hun today Celtic crests, most likely. As it is announced that they've bought a new smartcard for the meter.
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20 Apr 2018, 12:23 PM
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Alex Rae interviewed on shortbread for his take on the latest episode in sevconia. 'I think the board have been indecisive '. interviewer: 'they've just sacked the 2 most senior players in the team, that's pretty decisive Alex' 'maybe I didn't phrase that right' he spent the rest of the interview stuttering and contradicting himself throughout, trying and failing to sound semi intelligent. why anyone at the BBC thought this moron could bring any semblance of insight into this, is astounding. perhaps having an EBT gets you a free pass on the nation's broadcaster.
Alex Rae and the Ferguson chimps are regularly on bbc. You’d get more sense and insight from a couple of garden slugs and a worm.
Worth it for Derek's half time reports on Open All Mics. It is absolute torture listening to him speak. It's as if his finger is pointing to each of the words that are written out for him and he has to take time to process exactly what the big words mean.
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20 Apr 2018, 11:34 PM
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Worth it for Derek's half time reports on Open All Mics.
It is absolute torture listening to him speak. It's as if his finger is pointing to each of the words that are written out for him and he has to take time to process exactly what the big words mean. This is Peter. This is Jane. Peter and Jane. This is a ball.........
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21 Apr 2018, 12:24 AM
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It is absolute torture listening to him speak. It's as if his finger is pointing to each of the words that are written out for him and he has to take time to process exactly what the big words mean.
This is Peter. This is Jane. Peter and Jane. This is a ball......... 
You can tell when he gets to the end of a line. Poor carrot.
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21 Apr 2018, 10:58 AM
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He's like a four year old taking about what they did on their holidays.
...And then, he crossed the ball. And then, he headed it into the net. And then, I had a ride on a donkey. And then, I had an iced cream. And then, I had to go for a wee-wee.
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21 Apr 2018, 11:05 AM
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Sutton doesn't hold back on sevco in The Record
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Here's what I have been hearing.
Andy Halliday was humiliated at Hampden by being subbed after 39 minutes by Graeme Murty and was mercilessly thrown under the bus by the manager.
Here’s what actually happened.
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Andy Halliday humiliated himself for 39 minutes at Hampden and threw his manager under the bus with an appalling display and his subsequent reaction.
It wasn’t just Halliday. Every one of them let down Murty in the most-outrageous manner.
They shouldn’t get away with it. If they hid at Hampden, they’ve done an even better job since.
It’s Dave King’s fault for his lack of conviction, his ridiculous statements and empty rhetoric.
Rangers' Andy Halliday shows his frustrations after being substituted
Bruno Alves consoles a frustrated Andy Halliday (Image: SNS) READ MORE Graeme Murty's Rangers press conference Q&A in full as boss fronts up after turbulent week It’s Murty’s fault because his tactics were awful and he’s too inexperienced.
I’ve made my feelings known on those two respective individuals earlier in the week, but neither King nor Murty were on the park at Hampden.
The Rangers players were an absolute scandal in the semi-final.
Murty has made mistakes tactically yes and shown real naivety at times during his reign.
But unless his Hampden instructions were to give the ball away constantly, refuse to close down, not tackle, not hassle Celtic and not show a shred of passion and commitment for the cause, then the guys who were put onto the pitch want to take a long look at themselves.
If the players felt the tactics were so bad, why not do something about it on the pitch? Why not try and sort it themselves?
Because they had a scapegoat in Murty, that’s why.
Here’s one for you. The tactic of having three midfielders in a line in front of the back four was criticised because it gave the likes of Scott Brown and Olivier Ntcham time and space to play passes.
I understand that makes it hard to get on the frontfoot, but it should conversely mean added protection for the centre backs.
Murty has apologised to the Rangers supporters READ MORE Rangers boss Graeme Murty reveals 'fantastic' support after Hampden horror - but not from Dave King So, when Russell Martin fluffed his clearance and Callum McGregor was allowed to wander into the box unchallenged to shoot Celtic’s second goal, where were the three of them?
Graham Dorrans and Greg Docherty just watched him. Threw their hands in the air. Blamed someone else, just as always happens at Ibrox.
Before that, Daniel Candeias’ pathetic efforts to stop Kieran Tierney getting delivering the cross in the first place were disgraceful. Just let him walk past.
This is the same Candeias who then mouthed off as he stormed down the tunnel after being subbed. What right did he have to mouth off? He was utterly awful.
But, hey, if I shout at Murty, it’ll look like his fault.
Just as Halliday did. Who does he think he is? He’s only at Ibrox because Rangers are so bad right now. He was terrible and, if that was me, I’ve have gone off with my head down and kept my mouth shut.
Did Murty tell Alfredo Morelos to panic like a two-year-old in front of goal with Craig Gordon sitting on his backside and still smash the ball against the keeper’s legs.
If Morelos thinks getting involved in a pushing match with Brown makes him a fans hero, he’s deluded.
Morelos missed another sitter against Celtic READ MORE Rangers confirm Hummel kit deal as Danish company to make strips for three years It’s easy to be a Rangers or a Celtic player when you are getting your backside kissed in the city centre.
Smoothing into VIP areas, being waited on hand and foot at the club and picking up a fat wage packet for the privilege.
When you really prove yourself with the Old Firm is when you are in the trenches.
Miller and Wallace obviously had their say about it and were bagged.
What is it about Rangers and suspensions? Mark Warburton suspended Joey Barton. Pedro Caixinha suspended Miller. Barry Ferguson and Allan McGregor were suspended back in the day.
I’m sure in Walter Smith’s reign, there were moments when all hell broke lose and he was challenged, but it would have stayed in house and dealt with.
No telling tales to the board, but the players would have respected Walter.
In our Celtic dressing room, it kicked off big time between Martin and players, but Martin was the boss and dealt with it in house.
King has to come under scrutiny for employing weak managers who simply can’t handle the dressing room.
Kenny Miller and Lee Wallace face the boot (Image: SNS) My issue with Wallace and Miller and those who seemingly criticised Murty’s tactics and time in charge is simple.
Why not have the bollocks to call him out before the game. Or if he was that inept and clueless, why not call him out months ago? Go the whole hog and call out King for not appointing a real manager?
Nah. Pick the easiest guy to blame.
Murty got it wrong, but the vultures undermined him.
Maybe Miller was still seething after not getting on and his frustration at this turned him along with Wallace to mutiny.
Maybe he was spurred on by his angry missus going on to social media and having a pop at Murty for not playing him!
Seriously, Kenny? The missus doing your batting? I’d have sacked him for that alone, that’s if he wasn’t laughed out of the dressing room for good never mind banned from it.
That’s the thing. There’s too many people making noise around Ibrox and it’s all bluster and bull.
It comes from the top. Going for 55 last season. King talking about immediate success last week.
Empty words and promises. Empty jerseys. Right now, they are an embarrassment in the boardroom and on the pitch.
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21 Apr 2018, 11:59 AM
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I always enjoy watching Scottish Football Extra before a game on BT.
There's normally a decent interview and a reasonable bit of chat. Sky it is not
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22 Apr 2018, 09:00 AM
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Provan not supporting Miller or Wallace's' actions.
RIGHT CALL Rangers’ decision to axe ‘martyrs’ Kenny Miller and Lee Wallace was spot on says Davie Provan The Ibrox board may get few of their decisions right but removing the senior pair from the dressing room following their row with Graeme Murty was the right call
Spoiler: click to toggle By Davie Provan YOU’D never know who’s calling the shots at Ibrox these days but whoever took the decision to bullet Kenny Miller and Lee Wallace was spot-on. This dysfunctional Rangers board gets little right but removing that pair from the dressing room was the correct call. Predictably, Miller and Wallace aren’t without support. Former Gers players are jumping through hoops to defend them. We’re told the two veterans’ alleged torching of Graeme Murty demonstrates they care more than their team-mates. Don’t rule out a campaign to pardon the Govan Two any time soon. Forgive me if my heart doesn’t bleed for them. Dissing a lame duck manager doesn’t mean you care more. If they felt so strongly, they could have confronted Murty privately on Monday morning. Instead, they chose to grandstand in front of their team-mates. God knows what Wallace was doing in the dressing room when he wasn’t even stripped. Makes you wonder what Joey Barton is making of it all. After a previous Old Firm hiding, Barton rubbished his team-mates before giving Mark Warburton both barrels. With justification, wee Joey’s feet didn’t touch the ground. But while there wasn’t an ounce of support for Barton, Miller and Wallace have been martyred. That Miller was involved is a surprise. He’s been around long enough to know how it works — you can’t run a dressing room by committee. The best clubs are dictatorships where only the manager’s voice is heard. Would Kenny have had the balls to take on Walter Smith? Not a chance in hell and this is where the Rangers board comes in. Murty has been swimming against the tide from day one. He knew the board didn’t want him in the first place. Only when they got the cold shoulder from Derek McInnes were they forced to give him the gig. Even then it was only until the end of the season. With director of football Mark Allen in charge of recruitment, Graeme wasn’t even allowed to bring in his own players. Here was a rookie boss, in charge of someone else’s players, coming up against a rampant Brendan Rodgers’ Celtic side. This was always a car crash in waiting. All of that has been ignored in the haste to excuse the two players. We’re reminded Wallace stuck with the club in its darkest hour. When he could have ripped up his contract, he chose to stick with the Charles Green circus playing in League Two. That wasn’t loyalty, it was stupidity. Anyone who puts a football club before the security of their family needs to have a word with himself. As for Miller? You can’t argue with his record. He’s been a credit to himself for both club and country. You won’t find a better professional anywhere in the game. That dedication has seen him squeeze every last ounce from his career. But there have been signs that Scottish football’s elder statesman has been getting ahead of himself. Unable to hide his contempt for Pedro Caixinha, Miller was reprieved when the Portuguese was sacked last October. Now he’s kicked off against Murty leaving the club with no option but to move him on. Given his service to Rangers, he owed himself a better exit. You can bet Miller will see it differently if he goes into management where the best of them don’t tolerate dissent. Can you imagine Jock Stein, Brian Clough, Jim McLean or Jock Wallace taking a blast from an unused substitute? More recently, Sir Alex Ferguson had an Old Trafford stand named after him because it was his way or the highway. When Roy Keane took it upon himself to slaughter team-mates in an interview, Fergie felt undermined. Keane was out of the door in jig time. Jaap Stam was another top player binned because he got above himself. That’s the way it should be. Unfortunately, Murty has never had the authority to crack the whip. And when Andy Halliday of all people feels he can give it a public mouthful, it’s game over. As Dave King spins the bottle for another manager Murty needs to look after himself now. He can hardly return to his Under-20 role and unlike Caixinha, who left with a wedge to soften the blow, Murty will get no pay-off if he walks. If timing is everything in this game, he was the wrong manager at the wrong club at the wrong time. https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/2537861/rangers-kenny-miller-lee-wallace-davie-provan/
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22 Apr 2018, 09:50 AM
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"anyone putting a football club before the security of his family needs to have a word with himself".
I wonder which clubs Provan believes would have been willing to pay Wallace more than stupid fc at that time? His pedigree is a myth. Wallace stuck with sevco for the benefit of his wallet and the detriment of his career - it backfired on him in double quick time.
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22 Apr 2018, 09:54 AM
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It is absolute torture listening to him speak. It's as if his finger is pointing to each of the words that are written out for him and he has to take time to process exactly what the big words mean.
This is Peter. This is Jane. Peter and Jane. This is a ball......... Fly away Peter Come back Paul
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22 Apr 2018, 10:00 AM
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"anyone putting a football club before the security of his family needs to have a word with himself".
I wonder which clubs Provan believes would have been willing to pay Wallace more than stupid fc at that time? His pedigree is a myth. Wallace stuck with sevco for the benefit of his wallet and the detriment of his career - it backfired on him in double quick time. I thought that was an odd comment to make too. By all means question Wallace’s ambition by choosing to stay but he certainly wasn’t playing for free. He was one of the highest earning players in Scottish football, competing against amateur and semi-pro opponents every week. I don’t think his family struggled to put food on the table.
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22 Apr 2018, 10:17 AM
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Waddell telling them the facts of life in the Mail today.
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Time for a few introductions. Rangers fans … meet the Foundation of Hearts. Meet the St Mirren Independent Supporters Association. Meet the Well Society.
You’re bigger than all of them put together, three times over. You’re the second biggest shareholder in the second biggest club in the country.
Yet they have something you don’t. Their clubs’ destinies in their own hands.
It’s time to ask yourselves – and ask them – how that happened. Then find a way of making it happen for you.
Because if you’re all still dumb enough to think the future of your own club should lie in the hands of Dave King or anyone remotely like him?
Hell mend you.
Constantly filling all four sides of Ibrox like vulnerable chicks in a nest, mouths agape, waiting for daddy Dave to come home to feed you.
Then just accepting the shovelfuls of excrement he tips down your throat on a daily basis without question.
Will there never be a point where you choke on all the s***?
The permanently inane statements, the awful recruitment, the disgraceful handling of the Derek McInnes affair, the stupidity of undermining Graeme Murty last week, the pointless confrontations in court over the takeover.
Aided and abetted by Alastair Johnston trying to tell you you’ve never had it so good, that you should be grateful you’re “ahead of the curve”.
“We’re probably doing a little better than we imagined running out at Brechin in the fourth tier,” Johnston said.
Is he kidding?
Six years to establish a new culture and a new baseline for a club with the second biggest budget in the country and they couldn’t foresee better than a battle to avoid fourth? There are amoeba with more vivid imaginations than that.
So how do you fix Rangers?
The saddest thing is that the answer is exactly the same as it was in 2012 – but they still haven’t figured it out.
It doesn’t lie in sugar daddies or over-investing or chasing another club who are so far beyond your horizon you can’t even see their trail of dust.
It doesn’t lie in the pie in the sky aim of stopping 10-in-a-row.
It lies in fundamentals. It lies in moving inch by inch forward rather than trying to take every short cut going and winding up further away than where you started.
The trouble was, no one asked the right questions at the start. Rangers had a blank sheet of paper but never established what they wanted a 21st century version of the club to look like.
Instead, they defaulted to the old ‘We are the people’ sense of entitlement, the ‘We’re Rangers so will behave like Rangers’ mantra.
And they’re suffering the consequences for their lack of foresight.
But if the fans could find true leadership and cohesion it shouldn’t be too late for them to establish a new baseline.
If Hearts, St Mirren and Motherwell can find a sustainable model, then how can a club with 50,000 supporters there every home match not manage it?
Especially when their latent support is as substantial.
I watched the Scottish Cup semi-final with Celtic in a casino in Gold Coast, Australia, last week.
There were Gers fans there suffering every bit as much as those in the stands at Hampden.
They still feel invested in their club, despite their disenfranchisement. That can still be harnessed.
What they must realise though is that sorting Rangers was – and still is – a long-term project.
They can’t be gullible enough to think there’s a quick fix still just around the corner. They’ve wasted six years looking for a unicorn farting moonbeams and they can’t afford to waste any more.
They’re still built on shifting sands, despite all the promises.
In the past four years, the losses they’ve posted in their accounts go back £6.7m, £3.3m. £7.5m and £8.1m.
They still have in excess of £17m of ‘soft loans’ that they insist will be turned into equity as soon as they’re able to get a share issue off the ground.
Those aren’t the foundations for a great leap forward. So the fans have to mobilise, unify, find cohesion and leadership, and understand their own power.
Not just blindly renew their 40,000-plus season tickets. Their Union Bears are planning a silent protest for the Hearts game today – is it possible to make a morgue more quiet? – but they need their voices heard, not quelled.
The problem they’ve always had is not having a single voice to represent them. The establishment of Club 1872 was supposed to put paid to that, an amalgam of the Rangers Supporters Trust and RangersFirst, as a vehicle to buy up shares and create themselves a force.
But there’s still a bit of Monty Python about them – they’re still the Judean People’s Front one week and the People’s Front of Judea the next.
To be credible, they need a reliable figurehead to carry them forward. Hearts, St Mirren and Motherwell all say that establishing a unity of purpose was pivotal in them getting momentum.
Either way, they’re Rangers’ only road to salvation right now. Not King.
They require a sustainable template and getting it right – not getting it quick – should be their only focus.
If they can get a membership scheme up and running, they can create a rock-solid bank of last resort for their club.
The Foundation of Hearts transfers £1.5m a year into the coffers every year from 8000 members.
But Rangers fans need leadership. They’re getting none from the top, so they’re going to have to look within.
And instead of King being forced to offer to buy their shares, they should be trying to find a way to buy his.
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22 Apr 2018, 10:27 AM
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"anyone putting a football club before the security of his family needs to have a word with himself".
I wonder which clubs Provan believes would have been willing to pay Wallace more than stupid fc at that time? His pedigree is a myth. Wallace stuck with sevco for the benefit of his wallet and the detriment of his career - it backfired on him in double quick time. Nobody. TUPEing over to the new mob was the best financial offer on the table for Wallace. He was touted and pimped around England but nobody was willing to come close to matching what he was already on.
It’s also worth pointing out that his move to the Huns raised some serious eyebrows at HMRC which led to that glorious evening when Craig Whyte donned a grey suit.
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22 Apr 2018, 10:29 AM
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Provan not supporting Miller or Wallace's' actions. RIGHT CALL Rangers’ decision to axe ‘martyrs’ Kenny Miller and Lee Wallace was spot on says Davie ProvanThe Ibrox board may get few of their decisions right but removing the senior pair from the dressing room following their row with Graeme Murty was the right call Spoiler: click to toggle By Davie Provan YOU’D never know who’s calling the shots at Ibrox these days but whoever took the decision to bullet Kenny Miller and Lee Wallace was spot-on. This dysfunctional Rangers board gets little right but removing that pair from the dressing room was the correct call. Predictably, Miller and Wallace aren’t without support. Former Gers players are jumping through hoops to defend them. We’re told the two veterans’ alleged torching of Graeme Murty demonstrates they care more than their team-mates. Don’t rule out a campaign to pardon the Govan Two any time soon. Forgive me if my heart doesn’t bleed for them. Dissing a lame duck manager doesn’t mean you care more. If they felt so strongly, they could have confronted Murty privately on Monday morning. Instead, they chose to grandstand in front of their team-mates. God knows what Wallace was doing in the dressing room when he wasn’t even stripped. Makes you wonder what Joey Barton is making of it all. After a previous Old Firm hiding, Barton rubbished his team-mates before giving Mark Warburton both barrels. With justification, wee Joey’s feet didn’t touch the ground. But while there wasn’t an ounce of support for Barton, Miller and Wallace have been martyred. That Miller was involved is a surprise. He’s been around long enough to know how it works — you can’t run a dressing room by committee. The best clubs are dictatorships where only the manager’s voice is heard. Would Kenny have had the balls to take on Walter Smith? Not a chance in hell and this is where the Rangers board comes in. Murty has been swimming against the tide from day one. He knew the board didn’t want him in the first place. Only when they got the cold shoulder from Derek McInnes were they forced to give him the gig. Even then it was only until the end of the season. With director of football Mark Allen in charge of recruitment, Graeme wasn’t even allowed to bring in his own players. Here was a rookie boss, in charge of someone else’s players, coming up against a rampant Brendan Rodgers’ Celtic side. This was always a car crash in waiting. All of that has been ignored in the haste to excuse the two players. We’re reminded Wallace stuck with the club in its darkest hour. When he could have ripped up his contract, he chose to stick with the Charles Green circus playing in League Two. That wasn’t loyalty, it was stupidity. Anyone who puts a football club before the security of their family needs to have a word with himself. As for Miller? You can’t argue with his record. He’s been a credit to himself for both club and country. You won’t find a better professional anywhere in the game. That dedication has seen him squeeze every last ounce from his career. But there have been signs that Scottish football’s elder statesman has been getting ahead of himself. Unable to hide his contempt for Pedro Caixinha, Miller was reprieved when the Portuguese was sacked last October. Now he’s kicked off against Murty leaving the club with no option but to move him on. Given his service to Rangers, he owed himself a better exit. You can bet Miller will see it differently if he goes into management where the best of them don’t tolerate dissent. Can you imagine Jock Stein, Brian Clough, Jim McLean or Jock Wallace taking a blast from an unused substitute? More recently, Sir Alex Ferguson had an Old Trafford stand named after him because it was his way or the highway. When Roy Keane took it upon himself to slaughter team-mates in an interview, Fergie felt undermined. Keane was out of the door in jig time. Jaap Stam was another top player binned because he got above himself. That’s the way it should be. Unfortunately, Murty has never had the authority to crack the whip. And when Andy Halliday of all people feels he can give it a public mouthful, it’s game over. As Dave King spins the bottle for another manager Murty needs to look after himself now. He can hardly return to his Under-20 role and unlike Caixinha, who left with a wedge to soften the blow, Murty will get no pay-off if he walks. If timing is everything in this game, he was the wrong manager at the wrong club at the wrong time. https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/2537861/rangers-kenny-miller-lee-wallace-davie-provan/ I saw Provan on SSN yesterday at the Hawthorns talking about the Liverpool game.
He looked like he could be Bomber Brown’s twin brother.
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22 Apr 2018, 10:38 AM
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- 22 Apr 2018, 10:17 AM
Waddell telling them the facts of life in the Mail today. Spoiler: click to toggle
Time for a few introductions. Rangers fans … meet the Foundation of Hearts. Meet the St Mirren Independent Supporters Association. Meet the Well Society.
You’re bigger than all of them put together, three times over. You’re the second biggest shareholder in the second biggest club in the country.
Yet they have something you don’t. Their clubs’ destinies in their own hands.
It’s time to ask yourselves – and ask them – how that happened. Then find a way of making it happen for you.
Because if you’re all still dumb enough to think the future of your own club should lie in the hands of Dave King or anyone remotely like him?
Hell mend you.
Constantly filling all four sides of Ibrox like vulnerable chicks in a nest, mouths agape, waiting for daddy Dave to come home to feed you.
Then just accepting the shovelfuls of excrement he tips down your throat on a daily basis without question.
Will there never be a point where you choke on all the s***?
The permanently inane statements, the awful recruitment, the disgraceful handling of the Derek McInnes affair, the stupidity of undermining Graeme Murty last week, the pointless confrontations in court over the takeover.
Aided and abetted by Alastair Johnston trying to tell you you’ve never had it so good, that you should be grateful you’re “ahead of the curve”.
“We’re probably doing a little better than we imagined running out at Brechin in the fourth tier,” Johnston said.
Is he kidding?
Six years to establish a new culture and a new baseline for a club with the second biggest budget in the country and they couldn’t foresee better than a battle to avoid fourth? There are amoeba with more vivid imaginations than that.
So how do you fix Rangers?
The saddest thing is that the answer is exactly the same as it was in 2012 – but they still haven’t figured it out.
It doesn’t lie in sugar daddies or over-investing or chasing another club who are so far beyond your horizon you can’t even see their trail of dust.
It doesn’t lie in the pie in the sky aim of stopping 10-in-a-row.
It lies in fundamentals. It lies in moving inch by inch forward rather than trying to take every short cut going and winding up further away than where you started.
The trouble was, no one asked the right questions at the start. Rangers had a blank sheet of paper but never established what they wanted a 21st century version of the club to look like.
Instead, they defaulted to the old ‘We are the people’ sense of entitlement, the ‘We’re Rangers so will behave like Rangers’ mantra.
And they’re suffering the consequences for their lack of foresight.
But if the fans could find true leadership and cohesion it shouldn’t be too late for them to establish a new baseline.
If Hearts, St Mirren and Motherwell can find a sustainable model, then how can a club with 50,000 supporters there every home match not manage it?
Especially when their latent support is as substantial.
I watched the Scottish Cup semi-final with Celtic in a casino in Gold Coast, Australia, last week.
There were Gers fans there suffering every bit as much as those in the stands at Hampden.
They still feel invested in their club, despite their disenfranchisement. That can still be harnessed.
What they must realise though is that sorting Rangers was – and still is – a long-term project.
They can’t be gullible enough to think there’s a quick fix still just around the corner. They’ve wasted six years looking for a unicorn farting moonbeams and they can’t afford to waste any more.
They’re still built on shifting sands, despite all the promises.
In the past four years, the losses they’ve posted in their accounts go back £6.7m, £3.3m. £7.5m and £8.1m.
They still have in excess of £17m of ‘soft loans’ that they insist will be turned into equity as soon as they’re able to get a share issue off the ground.
Those aren’t the foundations for a great leap forward. So the fans have to mobilise, unify, find cohesion and leadership, and understand their own power.
Not just blindly renew their 40,000-plus season tickets. Their Union Bears are planning a silent protest for the Hearts game today – is it possible to make a morgue more quiet? – but they need their voices heard, not quelled.
The problem they’ve always had is not having a single voice to represent them. The establishment of Club 1872 was supposed to put paid to that, an amalgam of the Rangers Supporters Trust and RangersFirst, as a vehicle to buy up shares and create themselves a force.
But there’s still a bit of Monty Python about them – they’re still the Judean People’s Front one week and the People’s Front of Judea the next.
To be credible, they need a reliable figurehead to carry them forward. Hearts, St Mirren and Motherwell all say that establishing a unity of purpose was pivotal in them getting momentum.
Either way, they’re Rangers’ only road to salvation right now. Not King.
They require a sustainable template and getting it right – not getting it quick – should be their only focus.
If they can get a membership scheme up and running, they can create a rock-solid bank of last resort for their club.
The Foundation of Hearts transfers £1.5m a year into the coffers every year from 8000 members.
But Rangers fans need leadership. They’re getting none from the top, so they’re going to have to look within.
And instead of King being forced to offer to buy their shares, they should be trying to find a way to buy his.
Waddell "They’ve wasted six years looking for a unicorn farting moonbeams and they can’t afford to waste any more".
That's probably why he's been banging on about this for the last six years?
It seems that the cup semi final has smacked him in the head and he suddenly realises that they are really effed going into next season / finishing this season.
Looks like he has wasted the last six years on promoting rangers rather than reporting on it.
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22 Apr 2018, 10:41 AM
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22 Apr 2018, 10:44 AM
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- 22 Apr 2018, 10:17 AM
Waddell telling them the facts of life in the Mail today. Spoiler: click to toggle
Time for a few introductions. Rangers fans … meet the Foundation of Hearts. Meet the St Mirren Independent Supporters Association. Meet the Well Society.
You’re bigger than all of them put together, three times over. You’re the second biggest shareholder in the second biggest club in the country.
Yet they have something you don’t. Their clubs’ destinies in their own hands.
It’s time to ask yourselves – and ask them – how that happened. Then find a way of making it happen for you.
Because if you’re all still dumb enough to think the future of your own club should lie in the hands of Dave King or anyone remotely like him?
Hell mend you.
Constantly filling all four sides of Ibrox like vulnerable chicks in a nest, mouths agape, waiting for daddy Dave to come home to feed you.
Then just accepting the shovelfuls of excrement he tips down your throat on a daily basis without question.
Will there never be a point where you choke on all the s***?
The permanently inane statements, the awful recruitment, the disgraceful handling of the Derek McInnes affair, the stupidity of undermining Graeme Murty last week, the pointless confrontations in court over the takeover.
Aided and abetted by Alastair Johnston trying to tell you you’ve never had it so good, that you should be grateful you’re “ahead of the curve”.
“We’re probably doing a little better than we imagined running out at Brechin in the fourth tier,” Johnston said.
Is he kidding?
Six years to establish a new culture and a new baseline for a club with the second biggest budget in the country and they couldn’t foresee better than a battle to avoid fourth? There are amoeba with more vivid imaginations than that.
So how do you fix Rangers?
The saddest thing is that the answer is exactly the same as it was in 2012 – but they still haven’t figured it out.
It doesn’t lie in sugar daddies or over-investing or chasing another club who are so far beyond your horizon you can’t even see their trail of dust.
It doesn’t lie in the pie in the sky aim of stopping 10-in-a-row.
It lies in fundamentals. It lies in moving inch by inch forward rather than trying to take every short cut going and winding up further away than where you started.
The trouble was, no one asked the right questions at the start. Rangers had a blank sheet of paper but never established what they wanted a 21st century version of the club to look like.
Instead, they defaulted to the old ‘We are the people’ sense of entitlement, the ‘We’re Rangers so will behave like Rangers’ mantra.
And they’re suffering the consequences for their lack of foresight.
But if the fans could find true leadership and cohesion it shouldn’t be too late for them to establish a new baseline.
If Hearts, St Mirren and Motherwell can find a sustainable model, then how can a club with 50,000 supporters there every home match not manage it?
Especially when their latent support is as substantial.
I watched the Scottish Cup semi-final with Celtic in a casino in Gold Coast, Australia, last week.
There were Gers fans there suffering every bit as much as those in the stands at Hampden.
They still feel invested in their club, despite their disenfranchisement. That can still be harnessed.
What they must realise though is that sorting Rangers was – and still is – a long-term project.
They can’t be gullible enough to think there’s a quick fix still just around the corner. They’ve wasted six years looking for a unicorn farting moonbeams and they can’t afford to waste any more.
They’re still built on shifting sands, despite all the promises.
In the past four years, the losses they’ve posted in their accounts go back £6.7m, £3.3m. £7.5m and £8.1m.
They still have in excess of £17m of ‘soft loans’ that they insist will be turned into equity as soon as they’re able to get a share issue off the ground.
Those aren’t the foundations for a great leap forward. So the fans have to mobilise, unify, find cohesion and leadership, and understand their own power.
Not just blindly renew their 40,000-plus season tickets. Their Union Bears are planning a silent protest for the Hearts game today – is it possible to make a morgue more quiet? – but they need their voices heard, not quelled.
The problem they’ve always had is not having a single voice to represent them. The establishment of Club 1872 was supposed to put paid to that, an amalgam of the Rangers Supporters Trust and RangersFirst, as a vehicle to buy up shares and create themselves a force.
But there’s still a bit of Monty Python about them – they’re still the Judean People’s Front one week and the People’s Front of Judea the next.
To be credible, they need a reliable figurehead to carry them forward. Hearts, St Mirren and Motherwell all say that establishing a unity of purpose was pivotal in them getting momentum.
Either way, they’re Rangers’ only road to salvation right now. Not King.
They require a sustainable template and getting it right – not getting it quick – should be their only focus.
If they can get a membership scheme up and running, they can create a rock-solid bank of last resort for their club.
The Foundation of Hearts transfers £1.5m a year into the coffers every year from 8000 members.
But Rangers fans need leadership. They’re getting none from the top, so they’re going to have to look within.
And instead of King being forced to offer to buy their shares, they should be trying to find a way to buy his.
My question(s) for Waddell is, who would they invest in, what would they invest in, there has been no clarity about who actually owns what, Charles Greene & Craig Whyte may well have ownership of some things or at least catering contracts etc affiliated to them. Then there are the Club/Company shenanigans who exactly are the club is it Rangers International Football Club or The Rangers Football Club both incorporated in 2012 The later The Rangers Football Club got granted a special license in 2012 for Sevco Scotland to play football v Brechin (please note Football Clubs play football, companies don't)
Maybe Mr Waddell these Qs should be addressed by the media as fans of Sevco Scotland are not exactly the brightest.
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shugmc
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22 Apr 2018, 10:46 AM
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- 22 Apr 2018, 10:17 AM
Waddell telling them the facts of life in the Mail today. Feel the Staunchness
Time for a few introductions. Rangers fans … meet the Foundation of Hearts. Meet the St Mirren Independent Supporters Association. Meet the Well Society.
You’re bigger than all of them put together, three times over. You’re the second biggest shareholder in the second biggest club in the country.
Yet they have something you don’t. Their clubs’ destinies in their own hands.
It’s time to ask yourselves – and ask them – how that happened. Then find a way of making it happen for you.
Because if you’re all still dumb enough to think the future of your own club should lie in the hands of Dave King or anyone remotely like him?
Hell mend you.
Constantly filling all four sides of Ibrox like vulnerable chicks in a nest, mouths agape, waiting for daddy Dave to come home to feed you.
Then just accepting the shovelfuls of excrement he tips down your throat on a daily basis without question.
Will there never be a point where you choke on all the s***?
The permanently inane statements, the awful recruitment, the disgraceful handling of the Derek McInnes affair, the stupidity of undermining Graeme Murty last week, the pointless confrontations in court over the takeover.
Aided and abetted by Alastair Johnston trying to tell you you’ve never had it so good, that you should be grateful you’re “ahead of the curve”.
“We’re probably doing a little better than we imagined running out at Brechin in the fourth tier,” Johnston said.
Is he kidding?
Six years to establish a new culture and a new baseline for a club with the second biggest budget in the country and they couldn’t foresee better than a battle to avoid fourth? There are amoeba with more vivid imaginations than that.
So how do you fix Rangers?
The saddest thing is that the answer is exactly the same as it was in 2012 – but they still haven’t figured it out.
It doesn’t lie in sugar daddies or over-investing or chasing another club who are so far beyond your horizon you can’t even see their trail of dust.
It doesn’t lie in the pie in the sky aim of stopping 10-in-a-row.
It lies in fundamentals. It lies in moving inch by inch forward rather than trying to take every short cut going and winding up further away than where you started.
The trouble was, no one asked the right questions at the start. Rangers had a blank sheet of paper but never established what they wanted a 21st century version of the club to look like.
Instead, they defaulted to the old ‘We are the people’ sense of entitlement, the ‘We’re Rangers so will behave like Rangers’ mantra.
And they’re suffering the consequences for their lack of foresight.
But if the fans could find true leadership and cohesion it shouldn’t be too late for them to establish a new baseline.
If Hearts, St Mirren and Motherwell can find a sustainable model, then how can a club with 50,000 supporters there every home match not manage it?
Especially when their latent support is as substantial.
I watched the Scottish Cup semi-final with Celtic in a casino in Gold Coast, Australia, last week.
There were Gers fans there suffering every bit as much as those in the stands at Hampden.
They still feel invested in their club, despite their disenfranchisement. That can still be harnessed.
What they must realise though is that sorting Rangers was – and still is – a long-term project.
They can’t be gullible enough to think there’s a quick fix still just around the corner. They’ve wasted six years looking for a unicorn farting moonbeams and they can’t afford to waste any more.
They’re still built on shifting sands, despite all the promises.
In the past four years, the losses they’ve posted in their accounts go back £6.7m, £3.3m. £7.5m and £8.1m.
They still have in excess of £17m of ‘soft loans’ that they insist will be turned into equity as soon as they’re able to get a share issue off the ground.
Those aren’t the foundations for a great leap forward. So the fans have to mobilise, unify, find cohesion and leadership, and understand their own power.
Not just blindly renew their 40,000-plus season tickets. Their Union Bears are planning a silent protest for the Hearts game today – is it possible to make a morgue more quiet? – but they need their voices heard, not quelled.
The problem they’ve always had is not having a single voice to represent them. The establishment of Club 1872 was supposed to put paid to that, an amalgam of the Rangers Supporters Trust and RangersFirst, as a vehicle to buy up shares and create themselves a force.
But there’s still a bit of Monty Python about them – they’re still the Judean People’s Front one week and the People’s Front of Judea the next.
To be credible, they need a reliable figurehead to carry them forward. Hearts, St Mirren and Motherwell all say that establishing a unity of purpose was pivotal in them getting momentum.
Either way, they’re Rangers’ only road to salvation right now. Not King.
They require a sustainable template and getting it right – not getting it quick – should be their only focus.
If they can get a membership scheme up and running, they can create a rock-solid bank of last resort for their club.
The Foundation of Hearts transfers £1.5m a year into the coffers every year from 8000 members.
But Rangers fans need leadership. They’re getting none from the top, so they’re going to have to look within.
And instead of King being forced to offer to buy their shares, they should be trying to find a way to buy his.
Heh. Took him long enough
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