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8 Nov 2017, 10:05 AM
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It is not wrong to question what Desmond is or is not doing with his money, given the scale of the heist that is being conducted by social and economic elites like him. Journalists, in an ideal world, are there to ask those questions on our behalf. What we are seeing, however, is how BBC Scotland's coverage inevitably gravitates towards the parochial. There is a well-documented lack of resources and accomplished journalistic talent at BBC Scotland, and because of that they are unable to provide the kind of in-depth coverage offered by other newspapers and broadcasters. Because of this, BBC Scotland latches onto angles that are both easy (and cheap) to develop into stories, and which contain hooks that will catch as much people as possible - and football is the biggest hook of them all, especially if it's a negative story regarding Celtic. This is Kailyard parochialism, wherein a serious, global issue is dumbed-down to a level where it can be conveyed in the pre-existing package of Scottish football. I find it troubling when an issue of this severity is relegated to tabloid-level pantomime, both because it is far more important than that and because I think people are capable of more complicated thought than our esteemed national broadcaster believes we are.
This is not, of course, a defence of what Desmond has seemingly been doing. We can and should level criticism at both Desmond and BBC Scotland. Cries of "aye but it was legal" or "aye but if it was cash-in-hand" are disingenuous and hypocritical. Global economic elites funnel billions into offshore havens every year, leaving nothing for everyone else. Cash-in-hand payments on which tax isn't paid is recycled almost immediately back into the economy, and back into the tax pool - money stashed in the Cayman Islands is not, ever. The reign of austerity in this country is a direct consequence of this: we have to "tighten our belts" not because there isn't enough, but because people like this stole all the money (and decided they were going to make their robbery legal). I don't care if it was "just a wee bit", it's as wrong when Dermot Desmond does it as it is wrong when the Queen, Bono or Apple do it. "Are you a Rangers supporter?" is just childish, and makes Desmond look like an idiot.
I largely agree with what you are saying here, but I see nothing wrong with linking the issue to Celtic's major shareholder. The working class at large, unfortunately, are not au fait with the tax avoidance practices of the super rich. Most of us have suspect this type of thing to be going on for some time, but here we now have evidence. It helps to make the story real to a possibly otherwise indifferent audience if the connection is made to individuals or institutions that they have some knowledge of. I don't think that this is dumbing the story down as such. Possibly it is parochial, but I don't think the story would have anything like the same impact if the main focus was individuals or companies that nobody had heard of. Hence they focus on DD and Celtic. I don't believe there is anything sinister or underhand in that. And I think Mark Daly is a very good investigative journalist, so whilst there are questions about the level of resources avaiable to BBC Scotland, I don't think they apply to the journalist who produced this story. Reading some of the supporting blurb on the BBC website behind these stories it seems the BBC Scotland team are the only Scottish journos looking at these papers (STV news and the papers are just relaying stories from other outlets) - so of course they will focus on anything they find with a Scottish angle - Desmond I guess would have been one of the first recognisable names with a Scottish connection to be spotted by them in the huge amount of material they are working through, other less instantly recognisable names will take longer to ferret out of the papers.
There is no index to these papers that lets journo's instantly pull out a list of Scottish individuals, companies or assets involved, so it'll be a painstaking process of trawling through the documents, researching the companies and individuals as they appear and following up information until they have enough information to run a story. Desmond may have been the low-hanging fruit in terms of an easily recognisable name and a company that he was known to own popping up....it may even be to his credit that his tax avoidance arrangement seems to have been relatively transparent and easy for Daly and co to find. There will be others I'm sure who have hidden their affairs behind a series of shell companies that will take much more digging to uncover, but I don't doubt that others will come.
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8 Nov 2017, 10:08 AM
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HMRC are acutely aware of these schemes, they were deliberately left open for the benefit of our corporate masters. Yip and in your accounts you have to say whether you are using one or not. They have a hit list and they do go after people.
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8 Nov 2017, 10:12 AM
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Lennon responds to Cascarino's claims our winning run is meaningless
Spoiler: click to toggle Lennon acknowledges the financial gulf but believes the quality, drama and atmosphere of the game in Scotland is something of which to be proud. “It is disrespectful. How much Scottish football does Tony watch?” said Lennon. “To go 63 games at any level is remarkable. Celtic are an excellent side and they proved that with a few games in the Champions League. “We’re not getting the money the English clubs can get but the Scottish game is improving. It’s getting healthier. You only have to look at the calibre of manager working up here. “I find the competition and the quality of the games really refreshing. We don’t need people from down south lecturing us on how the game is up here. “There is still that rawness here. There is still that passion. It’s still a working-class sport up here. You don’t have too many prawn sandwich brigades, who kill the soul of the game. I’ve been to a lot of grounds in England where the atmosphere is awful.” Lennon added: “I’ve seen some absolute rubbish in England. Rubbish. “Over the weekend, there were three or four 1-0s. I watch some games in the Championship and the football is eye-bleeding, whereas I have seen some really good games up here.” Read more at: http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/teams/celtic/neil-lennon-hits-back-at-tony-cascarino-over-celtic-s-run-1-4607385
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8 Nov 2017, 11:20 AM
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Obsequious, forelock-tugging claptrap. If Desmond owned shares in Hearts or Motherwell, he would not have merited a mention, or it would have been in passing. This was planned to be and is a smear on Celtic -- an agenda-laden attack with absolutely no news merit in Scottish terms. Desmond avoided a million in Swiss tax over three years and BBC Scotland does a special on it??? Get off the stage. The gobscheidts at the BBC must be chortling at having reeled in so many sanctimonious, look-how-worthy-I-am dupes.
Here, here. Nothing short of another establishment attack on Irish Catholics. How many of these clowns are posting on an Apple device? Good luck to the bold Dermot. How the eff do you think we're paying Brendan's wages? Let them eat effing cake. Just to clarify for any of the thickest of thick Zombie lurkers who are ready to bite and copy to Swallow Swallow Dermot Desmond doesn't pay Brendan's wages - His dosh is paid through the bank and unlike Alves's wages like all other Celtic employees the money is there when it should be and does not come from Soft Loans.
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8 Nov 2017, 01:28 PM
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I had thought Mark Daly as a journalist of some integrity, in the Spiersy mould somewhat, but he has allowed himself to be used in some tawdry smear campaign against Dermot Desmond and Celtic. That Daly allowed himself to be used in that fashion has changed my view of him completely. Dermot's letter to him gave a very clear warning re. the consequences for him and indeed the BBC if they continue to peddle this muck. There has not been a peep out of him or the BBC since other than to publish the content of Dermot's letter and my guess is that they'll continue to zip it. Daly himself must feel a bit of a carrot. There is no follow up to his story. He confronted Dermot in public as though he was exposing something like the Watergate scandal only to be told to keep his trap shut, or face the legal consequences. What a fud. Could never take him seriously as an investigative journalist again.
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8 Nov 2017, 01:32 PM
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So - this oasis whatever is is called, is it an offshore trust thing?
The one GASL is ‘interested’ in?
The one that will loan sevco money - that one
That’s a good one I take it ?
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8 Nov 2017, 01:58 PM
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I had thought Mark Daly as a journalist of some integrity, in the Spiersy mould somewhat, but he has allowed himself to be used in some tawdry smear campaign against Dermot Desmond and Celtic. That Daly allowed himself to be used in that fashion has changed my view of him completely. Dermot's letter to him gave a very clear warning re. the consequences for him and indeed the BBC if they continue to peddle this muck. There has not been a peep out of him or the BBC since other than to publish the content of Dermot's letter and my guess is that they'll continue to zip it. Daly himself must feel a bit of a carrot. There is no follow up to his story. He confronted Dermot in public as though he was exposing something like the Watergate scandal only to be told to keep his trap shut, or face the legal consequences. What a fud. Could never take him seriously as an investigative journalist again. I agree totally. There is some amount of misty-eyed pish about Daly since his absurdly titled documentary, The Men Who Sold The Jerseys, which has been used by every precious snowflake on KDS to pretend that the BBC did not have an agenda in going after Desmond. Even its title was a deflection. "Selling the jerseys" means letting your club down, your teammates. Who let Rangers down, pray tell? It was the club which did it to itself by cheating and criminality. Was that referred to -- in your dreams.
If Daly's carefully sanitised "attack" on the EBT culture at Ibrox was to mean anything worthwhile, it should have been entitled "The Men Who Cheated Scottish Football" or, even more accurate and succinct, "The Men Who Stole The Titles". Of course, that would never have allowed the huns to indulge in their "we wur victims uva crime, so we wiz" bullscheidt.
The BBC has been a disgrace in all of this from the outset. A programme on The Paradise Papers would have been perfectly entitled to mention Desmond's inclusion in the leaks along with mention of other bigwigs with Scottish business interests whose tax affairs are questionable, even if legal. But to doorstep him at Celtic Park, set it up carefully with a picture of Daly clearly showing the club's name highlighted in the background, and to continually mention Celtic in an issue which has absolutely nothing to do with the club, is gutter journalism, red-top sensationalism pure and simple. The fact that so many fools with impeccable Celtic-supporting credentials have fallen for it is as astonishing as it is depressing.
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8 Nov 2017, 02:01 PM
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I had thought Mark Daly as a journalist of some integrity, in the Spiersy mould somewhat, but he has allowed himself to be used in some tawdry smear campaign against Dermot Desmond and Celtic. That Daly allowed himself to be used in that fashion has changed my view of him completely. Dermot's letter to him gave a very clear warning re. the consequences for him and indeed the BBC if they continue to peddle this muck. There has not been a peep out of him or the BBC since other than to publish the content of Dermot's letter and my guess is that they'll continue to zip it. Daly himself must feel a bit of a carrot. There is no follow up to his story. He confronted Dermot in public as though he was exposing something like the Watergate scandal only to be told to keep his trap shut, or face the legal consequences. What a fud. Could never take him seriously as an investigative journalist again. His doping research on the likes of Allan Wells and Mo Farah's Coach Salazar was very good work but you are right in what you say here.
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8 Nov 2017, 02:07 PM
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I had thought Mark Daly as a journalist of some integrity, in the Spiersy mould somewhat, but he has allowed himself to be used in some tawdry smear campaign against Dermot Desmond and Celtic. That Daly allowed himself to be used in that fashion has changed my view of him completely. Dermot's letter to him gave a very clear warning re. the consequences for him and indeed the BBC if they continue to peddle this muck. There has not been a peep out of him or the BBC since other than to publish the content of Dermot's letter and my guess is that they'll continue to zip it. Daly himself must feel a bit of a carrot. There is no follow up to his story. He confronted Dermot in public as though he was exposing something like the Watergate scandal only to be told to keep his trap shut, or face the legal consequences. What a fud. Could never take him seriously as an investigative journalist again.
I agree totally. There is some amount of misty-eyed pish about Daly since his absurdly titled documentary, The Men Who Sold The Jerseys, which has been used by every precious snowflake on KDS to pretend that the BBC did not have an agenda in going after Desmond. Even its title was a deflection. "Selling the jerseys" means letting your club down, your teammates. Who let Rangers down, pray tell? It was the club which did it to itself by cheating and criminality. Was that referred to -- in your dreams. If Daly's carefully sanitised "attack" on the EBT culture at Ibrox was to mean anything worthwhile, it should have been entitled "The Men Who Cheated Scottish Football" or, even more accurate and succinct, "The Men Who Stole The Titles". Of course, that would never have allowed the huns to indulge in their "we wur victims uva crime, so we wiz" bullscheidt. The BBC has been a disgrace in all of this from the outset. A programme on The Paradise Papers would have been perfectly entitled to mention Desmond's inclusion in the leaks along with mention of other bigwigs with Scottish business interests whose tax affairs are questionable, even if legal. But to doorstep him at Celtic Park, set it up carefully with a picture of Daly clearly showing the club's name highlighted in the background, and to continually mention Celtic in an issue which has absolutely nothing to do with the club, is gutter journalism, red-top sensationalism pure and simple. The fact that so many fools with impeccable Celtic-supporting credentials have fallen for it is as astonishing as it is depressing. Nail on the head
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8 Nov 2017, 02:38 PM
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I had thought Mark Daly as a journalist of some integrity, in the Spiersy mould somewhat, but he has allowed himself to be used in some tawdry smear campaign against Dermot Desmond and Celtic. That Daly allowed himself to be used in that fashion has changed my view of him completely. Dermot's letter to him gave a very clear warning re. the consequences for him and indeed the BBC if they continue to peddle this muck. There has not been a peep out of him or the BBC since other than to publish the content of Dermot's letter and my guess is that they'll continue to zip it. Daly himself must feel a bit of a carrot. There is no follow up to his story. He confronted Dermot in public as though he was exposing something like the Watergate scandal only to be told to keep his trap shut, or face the legal consequences. What a fud. Could never take him seriously as an investigative journalist again.
I agree totally. There is some amount of misty-eyed pish about Daly since his absurdly titled documentary, The Men Who Sold The Jerseys, which has been used by every precious snowflake on KDS to pretend that the BBC did not have an agenda in going after Desmond. Even its title was a deflection. "Selling the jerseys" means letting your club down, your teammates. Who let Rangers down, pray tell? It was the club which did it to itself by cheating and criminality. Was that referred to -- in your dreams. If Daly's carefully sanitised "attack" on the EBT culture at Ibrox was to mean anything worthwhile, it should have been entitled "The Men Who Cheated Scottish Football" or, even more accurate and succinct, "The Men Who Stole The Titles". Of course, that would never have allowed the huns to indulge in their "we wur victims uva crime, so we wiz" bullscheidt. The BBC has been a disgrace in all of this from the outset. A programme on The Paradise Papers would have been perfectly entitled to mention Desmond's inclusion in the leaks along with mention of other bigwigs with Scottish business interests whose tax affairs are questionable, even if legal. But to doorstep him at Celtic Park, set it up carefully with a picture of Daly clearly showing the club's name highlighted in the background, and to continually mention Celtic in an issue which has absolutely nothing to do with the club, is gutter journalism, red-top sensationalism pure and simple. The fact that so many fools with impeccable Celtic-supporting credentials have fallen for it is as astonishing as it is depressing.
Excellent post.
Reading through this and the board thread are depressing, the amount of people falling over themselves to decry Desmond and absolve the BBC of any agenda is incredible.
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8 Nov 2017, 04:04 PM
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The thing about doorstepping someone is that it's rarely good journalism. You're rarely going to get anything useful out of ambushing someone with a camera, especially when it's their tax affairs that are being investigated. You're always going to get a no comment or speak to my lawyers. But it is good television. It's something visual and dramatic, makes the journey look like they're constantly questions for the truth, makes them look fearless. It's a bit of cynical, contrived theatre, a stunt and it often just puts a face to whatever's being investigated, and makes that face look shifty and guilty, like they have something to hide. So, Daly confronting Desmond is a TV stunt. Doing it at our ground makes it even more of a stunt. Regardless of the rights or wrongs of Desmond's tax affairs, Daly knew he'd get nothing which advanced his investigation, but he knew it'd get a lot of attention.
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8 Nov 2017, 04:07 PM
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Lennon responds to Cascarino's claims our winning run is meaningless Spoiler: click to toggle Lennon acknowledges the financial gulf but believes the quality, drama and atmosphere of the game in Scotland is something of which to be proud. “It is disrespectful. How much Scottish football does Tony watch?” said Lennon. “To go 63 games at any level is remarkable. Celtic are an excellent side and they proved that with a few games in the Champions League. “We’re not getting the money the English clubs can get but the Scottish game is improving. It’s getting healthier. You only have to look at the calibre of manager working up here. “I find the competition and the quality of the games really refreshing. We don’t need people from down south lecturing us on how the game is up here. “There is still that rawness here. There is still that passion. It’s still a working-class sport up here. You don’t have too many prawn sandwich brigades, who kill the soul of the game. I’ve been to a lot of grounds in England where the atmosphere is awful.” Lennon added: “I’ve seen some absolute rubbish in England. Rubbish. “Over the weekend, there were three or four 1-0s. I watch some games in the Championship and the football is eye-bleeding, whereas I have seen some really good games up here.” Read more at: http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/teams/celtic/neil-lennon-hits-back-at-tony-cascarino-over-celtic-s-run-1-4607385 Would rather listen to Tony Blackburns opinion on Celtic than that thick lump of wood Cascarino...
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The thing about doorstepping someone is that it's rarely good journalism. You're rarely going to get anything useful out of ambushing someone with a camera, especially when it's their tax affairs that are being investigated. You're always going to get a no comment or speak to my lawyers. But it is good television. It's something visual and dramatic, makes the journey look like they're constantly questions for the truth, makes them look fearless. It's a bit of cynical, contrived theatre, a stunt and it often just puts a face to whatever's being investigated, and makes that face look shifty and guilty, like they have something to hide. So, Daly confronting Desmond is a TV stunt. Doing it at our ground makes it even more of a stunt. Regardless of the rights or wrongs of Desmond's tax affairs, Daly knew he'd get nothing which advanced his investigation, but he knew it'd get a lot of attention. which makes it all the more ludicrous. the effers at it, he knows there is eff all there to see but thought hed do it anyway. effin scum.
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8 Nov 2017, 04:16 PM
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But what DD has done is totally legal - Immoral but totally legal so to hit the front pages with this is laughable and transparent.
And what the Queen did was totally legal as well - should her tax avoidance not have hit the front pages? Or Cameron's family offshore stash previously revealed in the Panama Papers ... most of these individuals and corporations using tax havens are operating (just) within the letter of the law but are exploiting loopholes and weaknesses in the law to keep their money away from the tax man - in the current climate of austerity people have a right to see what these individuals and corporations are doing to avoid tax and make their judgement on whether it is acceptable even if it is legal. Dermot Desmond is a billionaire with plenty of highly paid lawyers to defend him....so forgive me if I'm not losing any sleep over him being in the firing line over his tax affairs. Based on the little I know of him I doubt if he'll be losing much sleep over it himself! I think the queen is totally different. Our taxes go to support the Queen and her extended family. Why should I pay full taxes on my income for her to go and hide hers.
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It is not wrong to question what Desmond is or is not doing with his money, given the scale of the heist that is being conducted by social and economic elites like him. Journalists, in an ideal world, are there to ask those questions on our behalf. What we are seeing, however, is how BBC Scotland's coverage inevitably gravitates towards the parochial. There is a well-documented lack of resources and accomplished journalistic talent at BBC Scotland, and because of that they are unable to provide the kind of in-depth coverage offered by other newspapers and broadcasters. Because of this, BBC Scotland latches onto angles that are both easy (and cheap) to develop into stories, and which contain hooks that will catch as much people as possible - and football is the biggest hook of them all, especially if it's a negative story regarding Celtic. This is Kailyard parochialism, wherein a serious, global issue is dumbed-down to a level where it can be conveyed in the pre-existing package of Scottish football. I find it troubling when an issue of this severity is relegated to tabloid-level pantomime, both because it is far more important than that and because I think people are capable of more complicated thought than our esteemed national broadcaster believes we are.
This is not, of course, a defence of what Desmond has seemingly been doing. We can and should level criticism at both Desmond and BBC Scotland. Cries of "aye but it was legal" or "aye but if it was cash-in-hand" are disingenuous and hypocritical. Global economic elites funnel billions into offshore havens every year, leaving nothing for everyone else. Cash-in-hand payments on which tax isn't paid is recycled almost immediately back into the economy, and back into the tax pool - money stashed in the Cayman Islands is not, ever. The reign of austerity in this country is a direct consequence of this: we have to "tighten our belts" not because there isn't enough, but because people like this stole all the money (and decided they were going to make their robbery legal). I don't care if it was "just a wee bit", it's as wrong when Dermot Desmond does it as it is wrong when the Queen, Bono or Apple do it. "Are you a Rangers supporter?" is just childish, and makes Desmond look like an idiot. I bet most people in here think that there are too many loop holes for the rich, but that isnt what people are arguing for. Its the fact that they use a non british citizen who doesnt owe money to the uk tax system that is being used as an example. There are far better examples, but for some reason they were all ignored.
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- 7 Nov 2017, 05:10 PM
It is not wrong to question what Desmond is or is not doing with his money, given the scale of the heist that is being conducted by social and economic elites like him. Journalists, in an ideal world, are there to ask those questions on our behalf. What we are seeing, however, is how BBC Scotland's coverage inevitably gravitates towards the parochial. There is a well-documented lack of resources and accomplished journalistic talent at BBC Scotland, and because of that they are unable to provide the kind of in-depth coverage offered by other newspapers and broadcasters. Because of this, BBC Scotland latches onto angles that are both easy (and cheap) to develop into stories, and which contain hooks that will catch as much people as possible - and football is the biggest hook of them all, especially if it's a negative story regarding Celtic. This is Kailyard parochialism, wherein a serious, global issue is dumbed-down to a level where it can be conveyed in the pre-existing package of Scottish football. I find it troubling when an issue of this severity is relegated to tabloid-level pantomime, both because it is far more important than that and because I think people are capable of more complicated thought than our esteemed national broadcaster believes we are.
This is not, of course, a defence of what Desmond has seemingly been doing. We can and should level criticism at both Desmond and BBC Scotland. Cries of "aye but it was legal" or "aye but if it was cash-in-hand" are disingenuous and hypocritical. Global economic elites funnel billions into offshore havens every year, leaving nothing for everyone else. Cash-in-hand payments on which tax isn't paid is recycled almost immediately back into the economy, and back into the tax pool - money stashed in the Cayman Islands is not, ever. The reign of austerity in this country is a direct consequence of this: we have to "tighten our belts" not because there isn't enough, but because people like this stole all the money (and decided they were going to make their robbery legal). I don't care if it was "just a wee bit", it's as wrong when Dermot Desmond does it as it is wrong when the Queen, Bono or Apple do it. "Are you a Rangers supporter?" is just childish, and makes Desmond look like an idiot.
I bet most people in here think that there are too many loop holes for the rich, but that isnt what people are arguing for. Its the fact that they use a non british citizen who doesnt owe money to the uk tax system that is being used as an example. There are far better examples, but for some reason they were all ignored. It's as if they applied some context to the situation. Rightly or wrongly, and it's rightly, DD is seen as the man calling the shots at Celtic.
I'm personally glad it's been pointed out again that DD is, just like a lot of billionaires, actually pretty shady. Aside from drawing attention to these matters, which is always welcome, we can watch those who freaked out at the old huns' tax shenanigans and how the media pure ignored it now tie themselves in knots to excuse other definitely-ok forms of financial chicanery, while also simultaneously scraping and tugging their forelocks to defend a guy who wouldnae give them the ash from his cigar.
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8 Nov 2017, 05:10 PM
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- 8 Nov 2017, 10:12 AM
Lennon responds to Cascarino's claims our winning run is meaningless Spoiler: click to toggle Lennon acknowledges the financial gulf but believes the quality, drama and atmosphere of the game in Scotland is something of which to be proud. “It is disrespectful. How much Scottish football does Tony watch?” said Lennon. “To go 63 games at any level is remarkable. Celtic are an excellent side and they proved that with a few games in the Champions League. “We’re not getting the money the English clubs can get but the Scottish game is improving. It’s getting healthier. You only have to look at the calibre of manager working up here. “I find the competition and the quality of the games really refreshing. We don’t need people from down south lecturing us on how the game is up here. “There is still that rawness here. There is still that passion. It’s still a working-class sport up here. You don’t have too many prawn sandwich brigades, who kill the soul of the game. I’ve been to a lot of grounds in England where the atmosphere is awful.” Lennon added: “I’ve seen some absolute rubbish in England. Rubbish. “Over the weekend, there were three or four 1-0s. I watch some games in the Championship and the football is eye-bleeding, whereas I have seen some really good games up here.” Read more at: http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/teams/celtic/neil-lennon-hits-back-at-tony-cascarino-over-celtic-s-run-1-4607385 Great stuff from Lenny there. For something horrific I did in a past life I watched Cannyscoreino in the flesh during the dark days, for him to slag Celtic now is like Jessie J giving Ella Fitzgerald a hard time.
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8 Nov 2017, 05:14 PM
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Thanks for posting this Corsica. Highlights the threatening bigotry which still exists within the SMSM perfectly.
It also highlights the lack of HR governance at the BBC that employees and contractors have no recourse to bullying threats from senior management. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-23587678
Do you mean this story??
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8 Nov 2017, 05:16 PM
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There's not a self employed person that doesn't indulge in some form of tax avoidance . Smaller scale , just as legal . Are they immoral in doing so?
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- 8 Nov 2017, 01:58 PM
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- 8 Nov 2017, 01:28 PM
I had thought Mark Daly as a journalist of some integrity, in the Spiersy mould somewhat, but he has allowed himself to be used in some tawdry smear campaign against Dermot Desmond and Celtic. That Daly allowed himself to be used in that fashion has changed my view of him completely. Dermot's letter to him gave a very clear warning re. the consequences for him and indeed the BBC if they continue to peddle this muck. There has not been a peep out of him or the BBC since other than to publish the content of Dermot's letter and my guess is that they'll continue to zip it. Daly himself must feel a bit of a carrot. There is no follow up to his story. He confronted Dermot in public as though he was exposing something like the Watergate scandal only to be told to keep his trap shut, or face the legal consequences. What a fud. Could never take him seriously as an investigative journalist again.
I agree totally. There is some amount of misty-eyed pish about Daly since his absurdly titled documentary, The Men Who Sold The Jerseys, which has been used by every precious snowflake on KDS to pretend that the BBC did not have an agenda in going after Desmond. Even its title was a deflection. "Selling the jerseys" means letting your club down, your teammates. Who let Rangers down, pray tell? It was the club which did it to itself by cheating and criminality. Was that referred to -- in your dreams. If Daly's carefully sanitised "attack" on the EBT culture at Ibrox was to mean anything worthwhile, it should have been entitled "The Men Who Cheated Scottish Football" or, even more accurate and succinct, "The Men Who Stole The Titles". Of course, that would never have allowed the huns to indulge in their "we wur victims uva crime, so we wiz" bullscheidt. The BBC has been a disgrace in all of this from the outset. A programme on The Paradise Papers would have been perfectly entitled to mention Desmond's inclusion in the leaks along with mention of other bigwigs with Scottish business interests whose tax affairs are questionable, even if legal. But to doorstep him at Celtic Park, set it up carefully with a picture of Daly clearly showing the club's name highlighted in the background, and to continually mention Celtic in an issue which has absolutely nothing to do with the club, is gutter journalism, red-top sensationalism pure and simple. The fact that so many fools with impeccable Celtic-supporting credentials have fallen for it is as astonishing as it is depressing. spot effing on.
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