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20 Mar 2018, 07:31 PM
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The votes will be in before the Scottish cup final anyway. Besides, the way we are playing the double treble is far from a given.
Genuine question..who will stop us for the SC? Only ourselves.
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20 Mar 2018, 07:43 PM
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Smith very non-commital on Murty's future
When Murts was doing well the SMSM would have us believe it was down to the quiet chats he was having with the Legned.
Perhaps Smith has been unavIlable the past 10 days or so
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20 Mar 2018, 07:43 PM
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100% correct. To much doom and gloom and for the point of not trying to sound a smart erse some dont appreciate years gone by and the poor levels we have been at sometimes. The Motherwell post match thread was a cracker with two people "wishing the season would end". Not pretty at times this season by FFS we are going to win 6 out of 6 trophies. Now we have fellow tims pushing Stevie Clarke to be MOY after a few months in Scotland when our own gaffer is about to win double trebles...so much for belief in him. Some folk IMO dont realise when we have it good. We should be savouring every moment of this just now. I certainly will once we lift the Scottish Cup. Another season & another treble.
Nobody is pushing Clarke for anything but an inability to be objective about anything is what we slag them for. People are being objective when they say that a second consecutive treble would be a season worthy of manager of the year, regardless of what other managers have done.
Acknowledging that wouldn't diminish Clarke's achievements in turning around Kilmarnock, or Neil Lennon's achievements with Hibs. It just would recognise that the person who delivered it is manager of the year.
After all, we all hear how it's harder when you're champions and everyone wants to beat you, so every game is a cup final. Well, in our case that's also because everyone wants to be a team that beat the invincibles.
But, all that said, we haven't won a second treble yet. Killie haven't finished third or fourth. Etc etc. It could pan out that the huns win their next 10 games and lift their first ever trophy, while making second place look easy, while Killie finish sixth. By that time, there will be people today pushing Clarke who would have chucked him away like a snottery hankie and be Murty'd up to the eyeballs.
That's why it's a waste of time having the debate now and an even bigger waste of time having the award before the end of the season when there are so many variables. As pointed out, it seems to be shoehorned into when's convenient to have a piss up rather than any other reason.
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20 Mar 2018, 08:04 PM
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Smith very non-commital on Murty's future When Murts was doing well  the SMSM would have us believe it was down to the quiet chats he was having with the Legned. Perhaps Smith has been unavIlable the past 10 days or so What’s the reason this time that the old blowhard has been dragged out to dispense words of wisdom?
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20 Mar 2018, 08:11 PM
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Warbs won it in 2016
Plus Allan Johnston and John McGlynn have won it. who?
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20 Mar 2018, 08:22 PM
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Plus Allan Johnston and John McGlynn have won it.
who? John McGlynn was a scout with us for a while, a coach at Hearts for ages and won MOTY after almost getting Raith promoted, Johnson at least got QoS promoted to the Championship but to get MOTY was ridiculous, the year Lennon got us to the knock out stages of the CL and won the league and cup.
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20 Mar 2018, 08:29 PM
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Raman Bawbag right up Smiths hole there on stv. Far be it from me to suggest that his Dignified Grace the Lord Cardigan should come across as some mumbling old f^ckwit on the telly.
Clearly the bold Raman can't be trusted to treat a genuine legned with the respect he deserves
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20 Mar 2018, 08:37 PM
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All for objectivity but saying Clarke deserves it over gaffer simply put doesn't make sense in terms of his achievements this season.
He's taken them from a club that's fighting regulation or there abouts to a club that's challenging for a Euro spot. He's done quite an incredible job with them TBF. i reckon come the end of the season McInness will go to the huns, if they are still breathing, and Clarke will get the sheep job, and then we will have a real challenge on our hands
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20 Mar 2018, 09:06 PM
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He's taken them from a club that's fighting regulation or there abouts to a club that's challenging for a Euro spot. He's done quite an incredible job with them TBF.
i reckon come the end of the season McInness will go to the huns, if they are still breathing,  and Clarke will get the sheep job, and then we will have a real challenge on our hands Not a chance of McInnes going to Ibrox after the infamous concomitant statement where they basically accused him of not having the bottle for such a job. That ship has well and truly sailed. Clarke will definitely move on from Killie though sooner or later.
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20 Mar 2018, 10:33 PM
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Nobody is pushing Clarke for anything but an inability to be objective about anything is what we slag them for.
People are being objective when they say that a second consecutive treble would be a season worthy of manager of the year, regardless of what other managers have done. Acknowledging that wouldn't diminish Clarke's achievements in turning around Kilmarnock, or Neil Lennon's achievements with Hibs. It just would recognise that the person who delivered it is manager of the year. After all, we all hear how it's harder when you're champions and everyone wants to beat you, so every game is a cup final. Well, in our case that's also because everyone wants to be a team that beat the invincibles. But, all that said, we haven't won a second treble yet. Killie haven't finished third or fourth. Etc etc. It could pan out that the huns win their next 10 games and lift their first ever trophy, while making second place look easy, while Killie finish sixth. By that time, there will be people today pushing Clarke who would have chucked him away like a snottery hankie and be Murty'd up to the eyeballs. That's why it's a waste of time having the debate now and an even bigger waste of time having the award before the end of the season when there are so many variables. As pointed out, it seems to be shoehorned into when's convenient to have a piss up rather than any other reason. If they do it at the end of the season nobody will come. Players are all on holiday the second the last game is played.
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20 Mar 2018, 10:44 PM
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He's taken them from a club that's fighting regulation or there abouts to a club that's challenging for a Euro spot. He's done quite an incredible job with them TBF.
He's won sweet fa, to the victor go the spoils. Good luck to Kilmarnock when they try to polish their near attempt at a European qualifying spot at the end of the season, meanwhile we will need bulk orders of silver polish for what Brendan has won for us. I’m not suggesting he should win just recognising how well he’s done and if he did win anything with them then he’d more than deserve it, can’t wait until he leaves them as they’ll never get relegated with him in charge
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20 Mar 2018, 10:58 PM
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People are being objective when they say that a second consecutive treble would be a season worthy of manager of the year, regardless of what other managers have done. Acknowledging that wouldn't diminish Clarke's achievements in turning around Kilmarnock, or Neil Lennon's achievements with Hibs. It just would recognise that the person who delivered it is manager of the year. After all, we all hear how it's harder when you're champions and everyone wants to beat you, so every game is a cup final. Well, in our case that's also because everyone wants to be a team that beat the invincibles. But, all that said, we haven't won a second treble yet. Killie haven't finished third or fourth. Etc etc. It could pan out that the huns win their next 10 games and lift their first ever trophy, while making second place look easy, while Killie finish sixth. By that time, there will be people today pushing Clarke who would have chucked him away like a snottery hankie and be Murty'd up to the eyeballs. That's why it's a waste of time having the debate now and an even bigger waste of time having the award before the end of the season when there are so many variables. As pointed out, it seems to be shoehorned into when's convenient to have a piss up rather than any other reason.
If they do it at the end of the season nobody will come. Players are all on holiday the second the last game is played. Not that many (current) players go to it anyway. The winners of POTY and YPOTY but not many others.
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20 Mar 2018, 11:18 PM
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This seems fairly straightforward, If we happen to come up against Killie after the split make it a duel for the Moty crown between Brendan and Clarke. Clarke can have it in the event of a draw. Add a bit of gimicky glitz.
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21 Mar 2018, 12:16 AM
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We were terrible under deila until about late December. Some of our European performances under him were appalling despite still somehow managing to still be in Europe after Xmas. I don't think he deserved it.
What was ICT's football like? Once we had a settled side after Xmas we were playing some very good football, we beat the sheep 4 times including an absolute pasting at CP. Our achievements were miles ahead of Caley's, who shouldn't have even been in a final. 2 trophies and European football after Xmas is about as good as it gets at our level. Caley winning the Scottish cup for the first time in their history, getting their highest ever league finish, and qualifying for Europe for the first time ever (I think anyway?) was some achievement.
Deilas Celtic looked half decent for about 3/4 months tops, I'm not surprised he never got it.
Everything's relative to expectation.
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21 Mar 2018, 01:06 AM
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If the question is ‘which manager has got the best out of the resources at his disposal’, the answer would be Clarke, without a doubt.
But being a manager is about more than that. It’s about being a winner, it’s about getting your team over the line, even if they’re not playing well, it’s about winning when all eyes are on you, hoping you fail -the greats have that in their DNA. That’s why Moyes was never going to be a success at Man Utd-he didn’t have ‘winner’s dna’. If Clarke had gone on to win the Scottish Cup he would have been a contender for Manager of the Year, but his team stumbled when it really counted. He couldn’t get them over the line. If Brendan completes a double treble, unprecedented in the history of Scottish football, it would be looked back on as utter madness -and evidence of a deeply disturbing bias-not to have given him the prize. A double treble would be tainted and don't you forget it Timmy.
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21 Mar 2018, 01:10 AM
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Nobody is pushing Clarke for anything but an inability to be objective about anything is what we slag them for.
People are being objective when they say that a second consecutive treble would be a season worthy of manager of the year, regardless of what other managers have done. Acknowledging that wouldn't diminish Clarke's achievements in turning around Kilmarnock, or Neil Lennon's achievements with Hibs. It just would recognise that the person who delivered it is manager of the year. After all, we all hear how it's harder when you're champions and everyone wants to beat you, so every game is a cup final. Well, in our case that's also because everyone wants to be a team that beat the invincibles. But, all that said, we haven't won a second treble yet. Killie haven't finished third or fourth. Etc etc. It could pan out that the huns win their next 10 games and lift their first ever trophy, while making second place look easy, while Killie finish sixth. By that time, there will be people today pushing Clarke who would have chucked him away like a snottery hankie and be Murty'd up to the eyeballs. That's why it's a waste of time having the debate now and an even bigger waste of time having the award before the end of the season when there are so many variables. As pointed out, it seems to be shoehorned into when's convenient to have a piss up rather than any other reason. Have you ever considered politics.
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21 Mar 2018, 01:11 AM
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People are being objective when they say that a second consecutive treble would be a season worthy of manager of the year, regardless of what other managers have done. Acknowledging that wouldn't diminish Clarke's achievements in turning around Kilmarnock, or Neil Lennon's achievements with Hibs. It just would recognise that the person who delivered it is manager of the year. After all, we all hear how it's harder when you're champions and everyone wants to beat you, so every game is a cup final. Well, in our case that's also because everyone wants to be a team that beat the invincibles. But, all that said, we haven't won a second treble yet. Killie haven't finished third or fourth. Etc etc. It could pan out that the huns win their next 10 games and lift their first ever trophy, while making second place look easy, while Killie finish sixth. By that time, there will be people today pushing Clarke who would have chucked him away like a snottery hankie and be Murty'd up to the eyeballs. That's why it's a waste of time having the debate now and an even bigger waste of time having the award before the end of the season when there are so many variables. As pointed out, it seems to be shoehorned into when's convenient to have a piss up rather than any other reason.
If they do it at the end of the season nobody will come. Players are all on holiday the second the last game is played. Not a good enough reason to take a punt on giving it to Stevie Clarke then.
Ultimately though, it doesn't matter. All the counts is the silverware, so I guess they can take it and sit it next to their Best Pie certificate for all the difference it makes to the season.
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What was ICT's football like? Once we had a settled side after Xmas we were playing some very good football, we beat the sheep 4 times including an absolute pasting at CP. Our achievements were miles ahead of Caley's, who shouldn't have even been in a final. 2 trophies and European football after Xmas is about as good as it gets at our level.
Caley winning the Scottish cup for the first time in their history, getting their highest ever league finish, and qualifying for Europe for the first time ever (I think anyway?) was some achievement. Deilas Celtic looked half decent for about 3/4 months tops, I'm not surprised he never got it. Everything's relative to expectation. I'd say Delia did a far better job, obviously with much better players. That semi final still really annoys me so I find it hard to give Caley any credit for winning the cup, as you may have noticed
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21 Mar 2018, 08:40 AM
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The votes will be in before the Scottish cup final anyway. Besides, the way we are playing the double treble is far from a given.
Genuine question..who will stop us for the SC?
Only ourselves. I'd say the 6 officials have a better chance of stopping us. They've been warming up nicely and have a good record at Hampden
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Regardless of how the cup turns out, I would be mildly surprised if Rodgers wins MOTY. Celtic managers don't tend hoover up those awards, not the PFA one at least. I wouldn't be overly shocked if he wins one of the two and Clarke wins the other one.
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