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Topic Started: 1 Nov 2017, 11:12 PM (581,089 Views)
Dempele
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The votes will be in before the Scottish cup final anyway. Besides, the way we are playing the double treble is far from a given.
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Kingslim
20 Mar 2018, 11:56 AM
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The change in Killie has be exceptional, where as our performance level has went backwards if we are being brutally honest about it.
Performance level's are neither here nor there to be fair.

Brendan has practically secured 5 trophies in a row. That's the crux of it.

So the Celtic manager should just win it every year then, if its about trophies and not performances?

For me its not a disservice to Rodgers should his peers choose recognise Clarke's remarkable turn around at Kilmarnock.
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20 Mar 2018, 01:08 PM
Kingslim
20 Mar 2018, 11:56 AM
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20 Mar 2018, 11:46 AM
The change in Killie has be exceptional, where as our performance level has went backwards if we are being brutally honest about it.
Performance level's are neither here nor there to be fair.

Brendan has practically secured 5 trophies in a row. That's the crux of it.

So the Celtic manager should just win it every year then, if its about trophies and not performances?

For me its not a disservice to Rodgers should his peers choose recognise Clarke's remarkable turn around at Kilmarnock.
No. Nobody thought Deila should have got it in 2016 despite winning the league, or the year before, when he won two trophies.

Everyone should recognise Clarke's impact and achievement to date.

However if Rodgers wins the Scottish Cup semi final and final he'll have achieved something that has never happened in Scottish football since the League Cup was introduced in 1946, a period of over 70 years.

Trebles are rare, an undefeated Treble rarer still. A Double Treble would be totally unprecedented. A failure to mark that would look particularly silly even among the many backward mindsets od Scottish football hacks.

The issue is the timing of all of the awards ceremonies. They want their knees up before the end of the season, and it can make them look pretty silly. If Clarke were to end up getting Killie to, say, third or fourth place, and Celtic missed out on a Treble or even the traditional Double, you'd probably go for Clarke.

As it is Killie could still finish fifth or sixth, meaning he would have made his team consistently better than pish like St Johnstone, Motherwell, Hamilton, Dundee, Partick and Ross County. I don't see any real achievement in that, because they are for the most part pretty hopeless.
Edited by Forza, 20 Mar 2018, 01:25 PM.
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Do it like the Oscars...Best Manager in a leading role..Brendan Rodgers.
Best Manager in a supporting role...Steve Clarke.

Everybody happy!
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Lennon has done a better job than Clarke, as the respective League positions demonstrates. And he has done it with a promoted club while Kilmarnock are an established SPL club.
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20 Mar 2018, 01:35 PM
Lennon has done a better job than Clarke, as the respective League positions demonstrates. And he has done it with a promoted club while Kilmarnock are an established SPL club.
Not really. He got a head start on Clarke who had to turn round a team that were relegation certainties. That turnaround has been remarkable. The football is not as easy on the eye but the results can't be argued with. If Clarke had won something he would be a stick on. If he still wins it I will not shed any tears (and neither will Brendan)!
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ICGAF about the Double Treble.

It's the Quadruple Treble I want! I want Brendan to leave having won every domestic trophy he played for and never having lost to any bunch of criminal bastards bearing the name of Rangers.

I want his tenure to be seared on their consciousness for eternity, for years after the name of Rangers has been consigned to the dustbin of football history. My only worry is that they'll die before all this is accomplished. It's not a worry that keeps me awake. :thumbsup:
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Torquemada
20 Mar 2018, 01:54 PM
ICGAF about the Double Treble.

It's the Quadruple Treble I want! I want Brendan to leave having won every domestic trophy he played for and never having lost to any bunch of criminal bastards bearing the name of Rangers.

I want his tenure to be seared on their consciousness for eternity, for years after the name of Rangers has been consigned to the dustbin of football history. My only worry is that they'll die before all this is accomplished. It's not a worry that keeps me awake. :thumbsup:
That’s reasonable enough
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20 Mar 2018, 12:47 PM
The votes will be in before the Scottish cup final anyway. Besides, the way we are playing the double treble is far from a given.
Genuine question..who will stop us for the SC?
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fatboab
20 Mar 2018, 01:35 PM
Lennon has done a better job than Clarke, as the respective League positions demonstrates. And he has done it with a promoted club while Kilmarnock are an established SPL club.
:lol: :lol:

We love Lennon on here.


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20 Mar 2018, 12:44 PM
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20 Mar 2018, 10:35 AM

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I think since we've been dominating the press have been desperate not to give it to a Celtic manager, Lennon never got it yet McGlynn, Adams, Alan Johnston and McInnes did, Delia deserved it for his first season but John Hughes got it. If Brendan wins the treble again and doesn't win it then it just makes a farce of the whole thing.
I think Hughes did deserve it over deila tbh. To win the Scottish cup, finish third in the spl and qualify for Europe with a team like ict is fantastic.
League, LC, robbed of a SC Final, European football after Xmas and broke a 90 year old defensive record. Not a chance in hell Hughes deserved it, they only got to the final because of the worst decision in the history of Scottish football.
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The change in Killie has be exceptional, where as our performance level has went backwards if we are being brutally honest about it.
Performance level's are neither here nor there to be fair.

Brendan has practically secured 5 trophies in a row. That's the crux of it.

So the Celtic manager should just win it every year then, if its about trophies and not performances?

For me its not a disservice to Rodgers should his peers choose recognise Clarke's remarkable turn around at Kilmarnock.
He's got an 100% win rate in terms of domestic trophies.

if performance levels were part of the deal then Wattie would never have won eff all.

These things need to be taken with a pinch of salt anyway.

Brown for instance will miss out on plenty of deserved votes due to him winding up almost everyone he plays against.

Should Be

MOTY- Brendan
POTY - Broon/Forrest
YPOTY - Ntcham/Ajer

Will likely be

MOTY - Clarke
POTY - Tavernier
YPOTY - Bates
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20 Mar 2018, 10:49 AM
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19 Mar 2018, 10:53 PM

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It's been a great five months but to qualify as manager of the year it makes sense that you'd at least have to have been in the job for a season. If Rodgers wins a double treble and doesn't win manager of the year it would be an absolute joke.
If we win a treble, would this season be considered more or less successful than last season? Less points, but European progression...
The football’s been nowhere near as good as last season and, given that we’re a year and several transfer windows down the line, I was kind of expecting a better showing from us in Europe. Would still be a very successful campaign, but not at last year’s levels IMO.
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It's been a great five months but to qualify as manager of the year it makes sense that you'd at least have to have been in the job for a season. If Rodgers wins a double treble and doesn't win manager of the year it would be an absolute joke.
If we win a treble, would this season be considered more or less successful than last season? Less points, but European progression...
Last season we were like a runner winning the medals and breaking records(domestic) along the way. This season, so far, we're winning the medals. We're beating what is in front of us. If we do another treble, BR is the only candidate.

This is the media thread, and this candidates thing is their usual "how can we stop the obvious (Celtic player, usually) winning it". I recall Amoruso, who had been dung all year according to every one, oldco fans included, suddenly popped up as a candidate.

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Kingslim
20 Mar 2018, 02:24 PM
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So the Celtic manager should just win it every year then, if its about trophies and not performances?

For me its not a disservice to Rodgers should his peers choose recognise Clarke's remarkable turn around at Kilmarnock.
He's got an 100% win rate in terms of domestic trophies.

if performance levels were part of the deal then Wattie would never have won eff all.

These things need to be taken with a pinch of salt anyway.

Brown for instance will miss out on plenty of deserved votes due to him winding up almost everyone he plays against.

Should Be

MOTY- Brendan
POTY - Broon/Forrest
YPOTY - Ntcham/Ajer

Will likely be

MOTY - Clarke
POTY - Tavernier
YPOTY - Bates
It will be:

MOTY - Clarke
POTY - Forrest
YPOTY - Tierney (again).

A Scoatush hat-trick
Edited by Otis, 20 Mar 2018, 02:30 PM.
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What you have to remember with these individual awards is that people who vote tend to take into account factors like “most improved”. Consistent excellence is taken for granted, which is why Larsson didn’t win POTY every season and why Gary Caldwell has won it more often than Kenny Dalglish.
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littlegmbhoy
19 Mar 2018, 11:41 PM
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These things are always relative. If it's all the leagues you could make a real case for Jack Ross. Obviously Brendan is the best manager in the country (with Lennon a close second who must also be in with a shout), but in terms of what they've achieved, I'd say it's between those three and Clarke. Any of the four would be fair.
Old argument is we have the biggest budgets and finances and I understand we are at a fairly chunky advantage but domestically gaffer has been put under any sort of pressure last 20 months he has swatted it away quite literally.

Historic reasons of double treble and fact he is potentially going to win 3 trophies again means it has to be him . i respect Clarkes few months in job and a great turnaround but gaffer should be a shoe in.

Lenny has came up short against so called smaller teams at times and table reflects that. Ross has done a great job but again its
the second tier and ..may ge wrong but cannot recollect anyone winning MOY from league below.
Warbs won it in 2016 ;)
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Did a wee bit of research ..."The Scottish Football Writers' Association Manager of the Year (often called the SFWA Manager of the Year, or simply the Scottish Manager of the Year) award is given to the manager in Scottish football who is seen to have been the best manager of the previous season. The award is voted for by the members of the Scottish Football Writers' Association.

The award was first given in 1987, and was won by Dundee United boss Jim McLean. The award has been won by a manager in the top division of the Scottish football league system in all but one year, 1990, when the award went to Scotland manager Andy Roxburgh."

We've won it 10 times.. Huns have won it 11 times and no other club have won it more that once..

Cardigan has won it 7 times

MON won it 3 times.


Not sure if its a whoosh but Warbs never won it.. :thumbsup:
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Anyone who’s been in the football manager thread over the last couple of days would surely agree that Alan Archibald should win manager of the year.
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linlithgowbhoy
20 Mar 2018, 03:00 PM
Not sure if its a whoosh but Warbs never won it.. :thumbsup:
Seems he won the PFA manager of the year. It was still ridiculous, regardless of which manager of the year award he was given.
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