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Don’t see anything wrong with that
I was waiting to see if someone was going to explain the problem
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padrepio
18 Mar 2018, 11:09 AM
no gordon parks column in this weeks Sunday Mail......
They're still trying to extract him from Greg Docherty's arse.
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justinjest
17 Mar 2018, 02:45 PM
hun has no religious connotations, so how can it be classed as sectarian? I've always believed it was used to describe the rangers fans who rampaged through Europe in the 70's and the term stuck - am I making this up? Was the word used to describe them before this?
My B-I-L is an ex-ST at ibrox, my sons refer to him as a big hun because of this, he doesn't appear to have any issue with this (my sons are COS prods, are they huns as well?).
I've been trying to have a discussion with James Dornan about sectarianism - he insists that Celtic fans sing sectarian songs, I've asked him to name them.
I've also asked him again, as I have other elected members, what they are doing about the orange order and why nobody in government will take a stance against them. And why in this day and age of cuts, do councils have to use money to police / marshall the walks when there are plenty of better projects that the money could be used for.
the word Hun is in no way sectarian . Fans of every club in Scotland refer to them as " the Huns" , yet the demographics of Scotland would suggest that most clubs with the exception of Celtic and possibly Hibs have a majority Protestant fan base. Celtic in my experience also have a sizeable Protestant support ,and the ones i know also refer to them as " the Huns" so how can it be classed as sectarian ?? It's nonsense
They've used it to describe us in the past, probably because we left the floodlights on at CP for the luftwaffe FACT. It appears in a few loyalist songs too, I think one even mentions fenian huns. It's pathetic of the huns and their lapdogs in the press to try and attach it to sectarian behaviour. Jock Stein-Protestant, Neil McCann-Hun, it's really that simple, religion has never come into it.
from KDS, 2005.
Is it:

a)
Quote:
 
Huns were Germans and everybody still hated the Germans. So the name became a hate thing for anybody.

coupled with...
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I heard it was Ian Archer writing in the Express that described them as Huns after Barcelona in 1972. After that it changed from being a general term of abuse to one reserved for Rangers fans.



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orginates from the behaviour of the rangers fans before, during and after their Cup Winners Cup final in Barcelona..the daily catalan newspaper headlines the day after the game stated that 'The Huns have invaded'..I think they thought the term would aptly describe the desecration of chapels, rioting, pitch invansions and other 'hunnish' behaviour.


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The hun word goes as far back as 1959 when the they were banned in england from partaking in friendlies because of their violent hunnish behavour in towns and villages after games in the north of england on their way north to scotland..


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the Foggy Dew argument

Right proudly high over Dublin town
They hung out a flag of war;
'Twas better to die 'neath an Irish sky
Than at Suvla or Sudel Bar.
and from the plains of Royal Meath
Strong men came hurrying through,
While Britannia's sons with their long ranging guns
Sailed in from the foggy dew.

I believe the argument here centres around the lyrics in bold. Should it read "Britannia's HUNS with their long ranging guns"? Sure I've heard this sang before, perhaps by the Wolfetones.

Seems dubious to me: OPH will have to elaborate I'm afraid if this is to be the Call My Bluff winner!

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I was under the impression that the term Hun, originates from Hanoverians who were associated with the german House of Hanover, who in time took to the throne. "Hanoverians" ended up being shortened to the term Hun.


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3. A barbarous or destructive person. 

Hmmmm anyone see a resemblance.


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thought this went back to Kaiser Wilhelm II who referred to the original Huns (Attila's outfit) during a speech to German troops in 1900.


QUOTE 
... When you come upon the enemy, smite him! Pardon will not be given! Prisoners will not be taken! Whoever falls into your hands is forfeit. Once, a thousand years ago, the Huns under their King Attila made a name for
themselves, one still potent in legend and tradition. May you in this way make the name German remembered in China for a thousand years so that no Chinaman will ever again dare to even squint (sic) at a German! (sic)



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I'm sure I read somewhere that the first instance of them being referred to as 'Huns' originated from during the Second World War when Rangers were getting players from all over Scotland to play for them who otherwise should have been fighting or at least playing for their local team. In such a sense they were the enemy of all other clubs, and as the enemy of Britain at the time was Germany AKA 'the Huns', then the term was applied to Rangers.


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My father (80 on Sunday) told me that the term "Hun" arose from rangers being the only team in Scotland that hosted the German (National Socialist i.e. Nazi) football team in the mid thirties. He told me that they (Rangers) were the only hosts in the UK to either welcome the german team on to the park with the Nazi salute or to return the same. From this, I am told, came the use of the term "Hun" whch had been in widespread use since the First World war when it was used by the (English-speaking) Allied powers to describe Germans




After all that I'm not sure if I'm any further forward.

Here's my rough attempt then:

Hun (noun)

A derogatory description of Rangers fans. This term, originally used to describe the German forces during the two World Wars, was taken up by football fans to describe the opposition support (the enemy). Over the years, this term was applied more and more to Rangers supporters in light of their behaviour as a travelling support, particularly in 1959 when they caused havoc in the North of England. The association between the Rangers support and the term was cemented following their misbehaviour in Barcelona in 1972 when the term was used in various press articles after the game.
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17 Mar 2018, 03:40 PM
Sevco have a ten million pound player on their bench today, pretty impressive.
My wife has a potential Ł70million pound lottery ticket in her purse , I won't lose any sleep if it doesn't come up! :twitch:
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padrepio
18 Mar 2018, 11:09 AM
no gordon parks column in this weeks Sunday Mail......
:angry: what's the world coming to !!
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screwtop
18 Mar 2018, 08:24 AM
I see Kevin McKenna is at it again. :nono:
At it again how?

What was he at before?

He's writing in support of Catholic schools. Personally I'd have preferred it if the one I went to was more of the 'excellent' variety rather than just Catholic.

I can see both sides of the argument but I don't really care either way if I'm being honest.
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18 Mar 2018, 11:19 AM
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Don’t see anything wrong with that
I was waiting to see if someone was going to explain the problem
Maybe the OP isnt in favour of RC schooling :ponder:
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18 Mar 2018, 11:20 AM
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They've used it to describe us in the past, probably because we left the floodlights on at CP for the luftwaffe FACT. It appears in a few loyalist songs too, I think one even mentions fenian huns. It's pathetic of the huns and their lapdogs in the press to try and attach it to sectarian behaviour. Jock Stein-Protestant, Neil McCann-Hun, it's really that simple, religion has never come into it.
from KDS, 2005.
Is it:

a)
Quote:
 
Huns were Germans and everybody still hated the Germans. So the name became a hate thing for anybody.

coupled with...
Quote:
 
I heard it was Ian Archer writing in the Express that described them as Huns after Barcelona in 1972. After that it changed from being a general term of abuse to one reserved for Rangers fans.



b )
Quote:
 
orginates from the behaviour of the rangers fans before, during and after their Cup Winners Cup final in Barcelona..the daily catalan newspaper headlines the day after the game stated that 'The Huns have invaded'..I think they thought the term would aptly describe the desecration of chapels, rioting, pitch invansions and other 'hunnish' behaviour.


c)
Quote:
 
The hun word goes as far back as 1959 when the they were banned in england from partaking in friendlies because of their violent hunnish behavour in towns and villages after games in the north of england on their way north to scotland..


d)
Quote:
 
the Foggy Dew argument

Right proudly high over Dublin town
They hung out a flag of war;
'Twas better to die 'neath an Irish sky
Than at Suvla or Sudel Bar.
and from the plains of Royal Meath
Strong men came hurrying through,
While Britannia's sons with their long ranging guns
Sailed in from the foggy dew.

I believe the argument here centres around the lyrics in bold. Should it read "Britannia's HUNS with their long ranging guns"? Sure I've heard this sang before, perhaps by the Wolfetones.

Seems dubious to me: OPH will have to elaborate I'm afraid if this is to be the Call My Bluff winner!

d)
Quote:
 
I was under the impression that the term Hun, originates from Hanoverians who were associated with the german House of Hanover, who in time took to the throne. "Hanoverians" ended up being shortened to the term Hun.


e)
Quote:
 
QUOTE 
3. A barbarous or destructive person. 

Hmmmm anyone see a resemblance.


f)
Quote:
 
thought this went back to Kaiser Wilhelm II who referred to the original Huns (Attila's outfit) during a speech to German troops in 1900.


QUOTE 
... When you come upon the enemy, smite him! Pardon will not be given! Prisoners will not be taken! Whoever falls into your hands is forfeit. Once, a thousand years ago, the Huns under their King Attila made a name for
themselves, one still potent in legend and tradition. May you in this way make the name German remembered in China for a thousand years so that no Chinaman will ever again dare to even squint (sic) at a German! (sic)



g)
Quote:
 
I'm sure I read somewhere that the first instance of them being referred to as 'Huns' originated from during the Second World War when Rangers were getting players from all over Scotland to play for them who otherwise should have been fighting or at least playing for their local team. In such a sense they were the enemy of all other clubs, and as the enemy of Britain at the time was Germany AKA 'the Huns', then the term was applied to Rangers.


h)
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My father (80 on Sunday) told me that the term "Hun" arose from rangers being the only team in Scotland that hosted the German (National Socialist i.e. Nazi) football team in the mid thirties. He told me that they (Rangers) were the only hosts in the UK to either welcome the german team on to the park with the Nazi salute or to return the same. From this, I am told, came the use of the term "Hun" whch had been in widespread use since the First World war when it was used by the (English-speaking) Allied powers to describe Germans




After all that I'm not sure if I'm any further forward.

Here's my rough attempt then:

Hun (noun)

A derogatory description of Rangers fans. This term, originally used to describe the German forces during the two World Wars, was taken up by football fans to describe the opposition support (the enemy). Over the years, this term was applied more and more to Rangers supporters in light of their behaviour as a travelling support, particularly in 1959 when they caused havoc in the North of England. The association between the Rangers support and the term was cemented following their misbehaviour in Barcelona in 1972 when the term was used in various press articles after the game.
There is a picture somewhere of the game in question with the Nazi flag flying
high, I actually thought it was Scotland that where playing Germany at Ibrox.
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When wartime Germany was referred to as the Hun, it wasn't because they were Protestants...
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Good read.. nothing wrong at all with it.
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Take your discussion re: Catholic schools out of the football forum please.
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18 Mar 2018, 01:33 PM
Take your discussion re: Catholic schools out of the football forum please.
Well, with that punctuation, I can only blame the schools.
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18 Mar 2018, 01:33 PM
Take your discussion re: Catholic schools out of the football forum please.
Well, with that punctuation, I can only blame the schools.
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That'll be the media coverage sorted for the rest of the week.

"Should Kipre's red card have been given and what to do with Scott Brown"
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18 Mar 2018, 05:17 PM
That'll be the media coverage sorted for the rest of the week.

"Should Kipre's red card have been given and what to do with Scott Brown"
Im sure ian beale the hearts manager will have an opinion on the scott brown getting an innocent man sent off
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That'll be the media coverage sorted for the rest of the week.

"Should Kipre's red card have been given and what to do with Scott Brown"
I watched it on CTV but they use pictures from SKY, there were alot of close ups of Thomson after the red, I assume they're claiming he shouldn't have shown the red card?
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The narrative is already set = Kipre red to be rescinded
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The narrative is already set = Kipre red to be rescinded
Hope so. Think they play the Huns next. That's why the ref sent him off imo
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For the Hun debate.

It was originally Celtic fans who were called Huns. Where did I learn this? It’s in the Scottish National football museum at Hampden. So we used to be the Huns, until the late 50s.

Rangers (rip) played Wolves in the early 60’s. Their fans were up to their usual and the local newspaper the Wolverhampton whatever(?), likened their fans to marauding Huns.
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18 Mar 2018, 08:12 PM
For the Hun debate.

It was originally Celtic fans who were called Huns. Where did I learn this? It’s in the Scottish National football museum at Hampden. So we used to be the Huns, until the late 50s.

Rangers (rip) played Wolves in the early 60’s. Their fans were up to their usual and the local newspaper the Wolverhampton whatever(?), likened their fans to marauding Huns.
Didn’t know that personally thought it was due to their majesty being of germanic blood.

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