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Wrong thread.
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There you have it... Celtic were lucky to have their centre half sent off with 30 minutes left. A grown man actually wrote that ffs
If Brendan was such a genius he would have started with 10 men. Yeah by that reasoning I'm kind of shocked that more managers don't try that tactic of taking one of their players off at some point during the game to shake things up and go with that well known 'one man down' winning formula.
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17 Mar 2018, 01:50 AM
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There you have it... Celtic were lucky to have their centre half sent off with 30 minutes left. A grown man actually wrote that ffs
If Brendan was such a genius he would have started with 10 men.
Yeah by that reasoning I'm kind of shocked that more managers don't try that tactic of taking one of their players off at some point during the game to shake things up and go with that well known 'one man down' winning formula. With any luck that horrible carrot that manages murderwell will start without a keeper
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Scott Sinclair abused so badly at Glasgow Airport that the police had to intervene. A large group of Neo-Nazis parade through the streets in an illegal march where the police acted as stewards. The story isn't even touched by the Herald but they have a piece in this morning's paper with Steven Thompson claiming that players have to rise above the taunts of "Orange B*****d!"
Go figure.
Simples. Dont buy it. What happened to Sinclair?
In China so must've missed this.
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Scott Sinclair abused so badly at Glasgow Airport that the police had to intervene. A large group of Neo-Nazis parade through the streets in an illegal march where the police acted as stewards. The story isn't even touched by the Herald but they have a piece in this morning's paper with Steven Thompson claiming that players have to rise above the taunts of "Orange B*****d!"
Go figure.
Simples. Dont buy it.
What happened to Sinclair? In China so must've missed this. He was racially abused at the airport after the game, 2 huns had to be escorted from the departure lounge but Sinclair apparently doesn't want to take it any further.
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What happened to Sinclair? In China so must've missed this.
He was racially abused at the airport after the game, 2 huns had to be escorted from the departure lounge but Sinclair apparently doesn't want to take it any further. Got a link to that mate?
First time I've heard it was a racist element
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He was racially abused at the airport after the game, 2 huns had to be escorted from the departure lounge but Sinclair apparently doesn't want to take it any further.
Got a link to that mate? First time I've heard it was a racist element Cheers Sorry, I swear I'd seen an article saying it was racial abuse but nothing showing up. Just verbal abuse, not racial. My bad.
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Matthew Lindsay: Scottish football must still Act to stamp out the scourge of sectarianism
Spoiler: click to toggle IT was with a quite impeccable sense of timing that a group of former and current match day delegates, all of whom had requested anonymity, voiced their concerns about how little the football authorities in this country were doing to tackle sectarianism earlier this week.
Just a day later, amid widespread rejoicing among academics, clubs, officials, police officers, politicians, prominent public figures and supporters, the contentious Offensive Behaviour at Football Act was repealed.
Those who opposed the act argued that it was ineffective and unnecessary and pointed out police and the courts already had sufficient powers to punish the sort of conduct it was introduced to tackle.
“It is wrong to create a law which applies to one demonised sector of society,” a petition which received 9,000 signatures and was handed in to the Scottish parliament three years ago stated with undeniable logic.
“This legislation was a clumsy political response to one football match (the infamous Old Firm game at Celtic Park back in 2011) which serves only to unjustly criminalise football supporters.”
All four opposition parties clearly agreed. The SNP government was outvoted by 62 to 60 at Holyrood on Thursday. The act will be taken off the statute book next month. Few will mourn its passing.
Neil Lennon, a man who knows as well as anyone about the darker side of the game in this country, is of the view that huge strides forward have been made in the battle against this age-old problem in recent years.
“I think it is better,” the Hibernian manager said. “The majority of supporters in the country now are supporting within the laws of the game.”
Alas, the match delegates who spoke to BBC Scotland of their experiences disagreed. They are distressed by the fact that nothing continues to be done to address what they are convinced remains, albeit to a lesser degree than in the past, a problem in the Scottish game.
“It was so frustrating,” said a former delegate. “I know that some of those who are still working today are absolutely appalled that nothing has changed. It seems like the Scottish Professional Football League (SPFL) is content to sweep the issue under the carpet.”
The SPFL employ match delegates to ensure their rules are adhered to during matches and reporting sectarian signing comes within their remit.
But one pointed out: “We had numerous meetings with the police, who told us which songs to look out for, but it was pointless because when we reported them, nothing was ever done.”
The reasons for that is there is, unlike in the Champions League, Europa League, Premier League in England and many other leagues around Europe, no strict liability rule in Scotland.
If a club can show they took all necessary precautions to prevent acts of delinquency before a game and then illustrate they took measures against those responsible for misconduct afterwards then they will escape punishment.
There is no appetite for strict liability to be introduced in this country either. Those who oppose it believe it is open to abuse. A rival fan, they say, could infiltrate the support of the team he detests and act in a manner which will result in a fine or sporting sanction.
But if Scottish football is unprepared to take action then others may be. James Kelly, the Labour MSP stressed that a “much wider and more serious conversation” was needed to tackle sectarianism and offered to work with the government on the issue.
Regardless of how well meaning his intentions are, the prospect of our elected representatives once again involving themselves in to football matters, something which both UEFA and FIFA take a decidedly dim view of, is an unappealing one.
Matches in Scotland are still blighted by chants about “Fenians” and “Huns” and other phrases which have no place in the modern game and the fact they are broadcast around Britain, Europe and the world on television continue to reflect badly on this country.
The Offensive Behaviour at Football Act may be soon be no more, and good riddance to it, but the clubs, the SFA and the SPFL must now act themselves and stamp out what remains a concerning issue.
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Sutton on Boyata: "Nearly a week on and I still don’t know what he was doing against Rangers. It wasn’t just a poor display - it was delusional".
Rangers had all the luck going as Celtic and Boyata gifted them the chance of a win, but they fluffed it - Sutton Our columnist takes issue with Barry Ferguson who reckoned the Hoops were fortunate in Sunday's dramatic win.
Spoiler: click to toggle ByChris Sutton There was a bit of luck involved with Celtic’s win at Ibrox last weekend. Rangers were lucky Celtic let them make a go of it. Fellow Record Sport columnist Barry Ferguson is entitled to his view that Rangers was unfortunate to lose Sunday’s Old Firm game. Likewise I can disagree. There’s a huge difference between bad luck and poor play. Rangers had the opportunity to get something from the game because Celtic played poorly - and they didn’t because they were also poor when they needed to step up. Graeme Murty’s side’s bravado backfired because they didn’t have a Scott Brown to get them over the line. Luck didn’t come in to it. Celtic gifted-wrapped a couple of goals and Jozo Simunovic was stupidly send off. How much more luck to Rangers need? Celtic had the firepower to see it out but I’d calm down with the celebrations. The fans will relish having the bragging rights but they shouldn’t ignore the major concerns that last weekend only highlighted. I’ll tell you what, if I was Efe Ambrose’s agent watching last week I’d be straight back on the phone to Parkhead. Efe was a figure of fun at Celtic for a long time but if he’s produced a performance like Dedryck Boyata’s he would be ridiculed for weeks. Nearly a week on and I still don’t know what he was doing against Rangers. It wasn’t just a poor display - it was delusional. Celtic were not lucky to get off the hook last Sunday. They were only on the hook because they put themselves there. I don’t want to get personal but you have to point the finger at Boyata. The opening goal was extraordinary. People say it was rustiness after his spell out but I’m not having it. I’ve been in the position where I’ve been chucked in to an Old Firm game at centre half. I’ll be honest, when Martin O’Neill told me on the morning of the game I was absolutely s***ing it. I hadn’t played the role for months but I just told myself to stick to the fundamentals, keep it simple and don’t take any chances. For goodness sake play safe. It’s Ibrox, the place is rocking, they’ve been talking themselves up, the last thing you do is give them any encouragement. Boyata did the complete opposite but the shocking thing was that it wasn’t entirely surprising, because he’s got it in him at any time. Everyone makes mistakes but he should be maturing as a player. He’s not a kid any more, he’s 26-years-old and has hopes to go to the World Cup with Belgium. I just hope Roberto Martinez was busy last weekend. Boyata’s obviously Brendan Rodgers’ go-to guy, and he can’t have real faith in Marvin Compper who played the previous week. Whatever way you look at it, the defence is a massive worry. There’s the double Treble on the line at Hampden next month but thy might get away with it because I’m still not convinced Rangers have much more to offer than they did on Sunday. But they have to look at the bigger picture and this backline will have no chance of getting Celtic to the Champions League next season. The managed to scrape through despite several scares in the last couple of campaigns but they’ve got four qualifiers next time around. There’s no chance they’ll get away with it defending they way they have at home and in Europe this time. It has to be the big priority for Rodgers in the summer. A year ago Jozo Simunovic was smashing into Kenny Miller and hailed a hero but he’s gone backwards at a rapid rate. I’m still to be convinced about the Compper signing and Hendry - and Ajer are ones for the future rather than to be relied on getting to the group stages. The way the defence crumbled at Ibrox only made Scott Bain’s performance all the more impressive. I’m amazed he looked so composed with those guys in front of him. He came through it, though, and has made himself undroppable for the rest of the season, as far as I’m concerned. Odsonne Edouard also produced the goods when it mattered and he’s putting up a decent case for Celtic to stump up the cash for him in the summer. I know the £7m talked about is a hefty outlay for a 20-year-old in Scottish terms but that will be the big question. Are Celtic just thinking in Scottish terms or do they have wider ambitions. Edouard would be value for money compared to some as, although he’s far from the finished article, he does have a lot of potential. I don’t see him as a direct replacement if Moussa Dembele goes though. He’s not a natural No.9 for me, I think his best position is coming off the left. He is strong and quick, with a goal threat, and there’s no doubt he is better at linking up with Dembele than Griffiths. Edouard’s still behind those two in terms of being the out-and-out front man but there’s a case to have him in the side. Dembele is undoubtedly a big game player - which is exactly what Alfredos Morelos needed to be for Rangers but he failed miserably. I’ve said before I like Morelos but it’s no use being a flat-track bully against St Johnstone and Ayr. You need to do it when it matters, but he couldn’t stick the ball in an empty net from three yards. That’s not bad luck. It’s rank rotten finishing. In contrast, Celtic have the firepower to take them all the way to a Treble. But the defence will need to get lucky or they could turn the Champions League qualifiers into a rollercoaster ride from Hell. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rangers-luck-going-celtic-boyata-12201077
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Sutton on Boyata: "Nearly a week on and I still don’t know what he was doing against Rangers. It wasn’t just a poor display - it was delusional". Rangers had all the luck going as Celtic and Boyata gifted them the chance of a win, but they fluffed it - SuttonOur columnist takes issue with Barry Ferguson who reckoned the Hoops were fortunate in Sunday's dramatic win. Spoiler: click to toggle ByChris Sutton There was a bit of luck involved with Celtic’s win at Ibrox last weekend. Rangers were lucky Celtic let them make a go of it. Fellow Record Sport columnist Barry Ferguson is entitled to his view that Rangers was unfortunate to lose Sunday’s Old Firm game. Likewise I can disagree. There’s a huge difference between bad luck and poor play. Rangers had the opportunity to get something from the game because Celtic played poorly - and they didn’t because they were also poor when they needed to step up. Graeme Murty’s side’s bravado backfired because they didn’t have a Scott Brown to get them over the line. Luck didn’t come in to it. Celtic gifted-wrapped a couple of goals and Jozo Simunovic was stupidly send off. How much more luck to Rangers need? Celtic had the firepower to see it out but I’d calm down with the celebrations. The fans will relish having the bragging rights but they shouldn’t ignore the major concerns that last weekend only highlighted. I’ll tell you what, if I was Efe Ambrose’s agent watching last week I’d be straight back on the phone to Parkhead. Efe was a figure of fun at Celtic for a long time but if he’s produced a performance like Dedryck Boyata’s he would be ridiculed for weeks. Nearly a week on and I still don’t know what he was doing against Rangers. It wasn’t just a poor display - it was delusional. Celtic were not lucky to get off the hook last Sunday. They were only on the hook because they put themselves there. I don’t want to get personal but you have to point the finger at Boyata. The opening goal was extraordinary. People say it was rustiness after his spell out but I’m not having it. I’ve been in the position where I’ve been chucked in to an Old Firm game at centre half. I’ll be honest, when Martin O’Neill told me on the morning of the game I was absolutely s***ing it. I hadn’t played the role for months but I just told myself to stick to the fundamentals, keep it simple and don’t take any chances. For goodness sake play safe. It’s Ibrox, the place is rocking, they’ve been talking themselves up, the last thing you do is give them any encouragement. Boyata did the complete opposite but the shocking thing was that it wasn’t entirely surprising, because he’s got it in him at any time. Everyone makes mistakes but he should be maturing as a player. He’s not a kid any more, he’s 26-years-old and has hopes to go to the World Cup with Belgium. I just hope Roberto Martinez was busy last weekend. Boyata’s obviously Brendan Rodgers’ go-to guy, and he can’t have real faith in Marvin Compper who played the previous week. Whatever way you look at it, the defence is a massive worry. There’s the double Treble on the line at Hampden next month but thy might get away with it because I’m still not convinced Rangers have much more to offer than they did on Sunday. But they have to look at the bigger picture and this backline will have no chance of getting Celtic to the Champions League next season. The managed to scrape through despite several scares in the last couple of campaigns but they’ve got four qualifiers next time around. There’s no chance they’ll get away with it defending they way they have at home and in Europe this time. It has to be the big priority for Rodgers in the summer. A year ago Jozo Simunovic was smashing into Kenny Miller and hailed a hero but he’s gone backwards at a rapid rate. I’m still to be convinced about the Compper signing and Hendry - and Ajer are ones for the future rather than to be relied on getting to the group stages. The way the defence crumbled at Ibrox only made Scott Bain’s performance all the more impressive. I’m amazed he looked so composed with those guys in front of him. He came through it, though, and has made himself undroppable for the rest of the season, as far as I’m concerned. Odsonne Edouard also produced the goods when it mattered and he’s putting up a decent case for Celtic to stump up the cash for him in the summer. I know the £7m talked about is a hefty outlay for a 20-year-old in Scottish terms but that will be the big question. Are Celtic just thinking in Scottish terms or do they have wider ambitions. Edouard would be value for money compared to some as, although he’s far from the finished article, he does have a lot of potential. I don’t see him as a direct replacement if Moussa Dembele goes though. He’s not a natural No.9 for me, I think his best position is coming off the left. He is strong and quick, with a goal threat, and there’s no doubt he is better at linking up with Dembele than Griffiths. Edouard’s still behind those two in terms of being the out-and-out front man but there’s a case to have him in the side. Dembele is undoubtedly a big game player - which is exactly what Alfredos Morelos needed to be for Rangers but he failed miserably. I’ve said before I like Morelos but it’s no use being a flat-track bully against St Johnstone and Ayr. You need to do it when it matters, but he couldn’t stick the ball in an empty net from three yards. That’s not bad luck. It’s rank rotten finishing. In contrast, Celtic have the firepower to take them all the way to a Treble. But the defence will need to get lucky or they could turn the Champions League qualifiers into a rollercoaster ride from Hell. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rangers-luck-going-celtic-boyata-12201077 I don't always like Sutton's articles but that's spot on. I watched the game back the day after and Boyata was actually worse than I originally thought.
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Scott Sinclair abused so badly at Glasgow Airport that the police had to intervene. A large group of Neo-Nazis parade through the streets in an illegal march where the police acted as stewards. The story isn't even touched by the Herald but they have a piece in this morning's paper with Steven Thompson claiming that players have to rise above the taunts of "Orange B*****d!"
Go figure.
Simples. Dont buy it. Don’t buy it fair enough does not detract from the very valid point of all these so called sports journalist ( who only write about sport allegedly until the secterianism chat rears its head - trademark hugh keevins) say its all Celtic and for that matter Rangers (new one) fault and their followers. Want to get rid of secterianism?... here is a start ban all orange/republican marches in Scotland... write about that as well and how anti catholic banners and songs intimidate an entire community... not got the bottle nor fight.
Right you are all big bad celtic supporters fault .. would be funny if it wasn’t so serious.
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Sutton on Boyata: "Nearly a week on and I still don’t know what he was doing against Rangers. It wasn’t just a poor display - it was delusional". Rangers had all the luck going as Celtic and Boyata gifted them the chance of a win, but they fluffed it - SuttonOur columnist takes issue with Barry Ferguson who reckoned the Hoops were fortunate in Sunday's dramatic win. Spoiler: click to toggle ByChris Sutton There was a bit of luck involved with Celtic’s win at Ibrox last weekend. Rangers were lucky Celtic let them make a go of it. Fellow Record Sport columnist Barry Ferguson is entitled to his view that Rangers was unfortunate to lose Sunday’s Old Firm game. Likewise I can disagree. There’s a huge difference between bad luck and poor play. Rangers had the opportunity to get something from the game because Celtic played poorly - and they didn’t because they were also poor when they needed to step up. Graeme Murty’s side’s bravado backfired because they didn’t have a Scott Brown to get them over the line. Luck didn’t come in to it. Celtic gifted-wrapped a couple of goals and Jozo Simunovic was stupidly send off. How much more luck to Rangers need? Celtic had the firepower to see it out but I’d calm down with the celebrations. The fans will relish having the bragging rights but they shouldn’t ignore the major concerns that last weekend only highlighted. I’ll tell you what, if I was Efe Ambrose’s agent watching last week I’d be straight back on the phone to Parkhead. Efe was a figure of fun at Celtic for a long time but if he’s produced a performance like Dedryck Boyata’s he would be ridiculed for weeks. Nearly a week on and I still don’t know what he was doing against Rangers. It wasn’t just a poor display - it was delusional. Celtic were not lucky to get off the hook last Sunday. They were only on the hook because they put themselves there. I don’t want to get personal but you have to point the finger at Boyata. The opening goal was extraordinary. People say it was rustiness after his spell out but I’m not having it. I’ve been in the position where I’ve been chucked in to an Old Firm game at centre half. I’ll be honest, when Martin O’Neill told me on the morning of the game I was absolutely s***ing it. I hadn’t played the role for months but I just told myself to stick to the fundamentals, keep it simple and don’t take any chances. For goodness sake play safe. It’s Ibrox, the place is rocking, they’ve been talking themselves up, the last thing you do is give them any encouragement. Boyata did the complete opposite but the shocking thing was that it wasn’t entirely surprising, because he’s got it in him at any time. Everyone makes mistakes but he should be maturing as a player. He’s not a kid any more, he’s 26-years-old and has hopes to go to the World Cup with Belgium. I just hope Roberto Martinez was busy last weekend. Boyata’s obviously Brendan Rodgers’ go-to guy, and he can’t have real faith in Marvin Compper who played the previous week. Whatever way you look at it, the defence is a massive worry. There’s the double Treble on the line at Hampden next month but thy might get away with it because I’m still not convinced Rangers have much more to offer than they did on Sunday. But they have to look at the bigger picture and this backline will have no chance of getting Celtic to the Champions League next season. The managed to scrape through despite several scares in the last couple of campaigns but they’ve got four qualifiers next time around. There’s no chance they’ll get away with it defending they way they have at home and in Europe this time. It has to be the big priority for Rodgers in the summer. A year ago Jozo Simunovic was smashing into Kenny Miller and hailed a hero but he’s gone backwards at a rapid rate. I’m still to be convinced about the Compper signing and Hendry - and Ajer are ones for the future rather than to be relied on getting to the group stages. The way the defence crumbled at Ibrox only made Scott Bain’s performance all the more impressive. I’m amazed he looked so composed with those guys in front of him. He came through it, though, and has made himself undroppable for the rest of the season, as far as I’m concerned. Odsonne Edouard also produced the goods when it mattered and he’s putting up a decent case for Celtic to stump up the cash for him in the summer. I know the £7m talked about is a hefty outlay for a 20-year-old in Scottish terms but that will be the big question. Are Celtic just thinking in Scottish terms or do they have wider ambitions. Edouard would be value for money compared to some as, although he’s far from the finished article, he does have a lot of potential. I don’t see him as a direct replacement if Moussa Dembele goes though. He’s not a natural No.9 for me, I think his best position is coming off the left. He is strong and quick, with a goal threat, and there’s no doubt he is better at linking up with Dembele than Griffiths. Edouard’s still behind those two in terms of being the out-and-out front man but there’s a case to have him in the side. Dembele is undoubtedly a big game player - which is exactly what Alfredos Morelos needed to be for Rangers but he failed miserably. I’ve said before I like Morelos but it’s no use being a flat-track bully against St Johnstone and Ayr. You need to do it when it matters, but he couldn’t stick the ball in an empty net from three yards. That’s not bad luck. It’s rank rotten finishing. In contrast, Celtic have the firepower to take them all the way to a Treble. But the defence will need to get lucky or they could turn the Champions League qualifiers into a rollercoaster ride from Hell. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rangers-luck-going-celtic-boyata-12201077
I don't always like Sutton's articles but that's spot on. I watched the game back the day after and Boyata was actually worse than I originally thought. There's not much you can argue with there. I was at that game when TEG played CH and he was immense. The point he makes about us keeping Edouard is valid as well. Do we push on our not. Oh but his main point about the semi is spot on....The Huns are pish
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Sutton on Boyata: "Nearly a week on and I still don’t know what he was doing against Rangers. It wasn’t just a poor display - it was delusional". Rangers had all the luck going as Celtic and Boyata gifted them the chance of a win, but they fluffed it - SuttonOur columnist takes issue with Barry Ferguson who reckoned the Hoops were fortunate in Sunday's dramatic win. Spoiler: click to toggle ByChris Sutton There was a bit of luck involved with Celtic’s win at Ibrox last weekend. Rangers were lucky Celtic let them make a go of it. Fellow Record Sport columnist Barry Ferguson is entitled to his view that Rangers was unfortunate to lose Sunday’s Old Firm game. Likewise I can disagree. There’s a huge difference between bad luck and poor play. Rangers had the opportunity to get something from the game because Celtic played poorly - and they didn’t because they were also poor when they needed to step up. Graeme Murty’s side’s bravado backfired because they didn’t have a Scott Brown to get them over the line. Luck didn’t come in to it. Celtic gifted-wrapped a couple of goals and Jozo Simunovic was stupidly send off. How much more luck to Rangers need? Celtic had the firepower to see it out but I’d calm down with the celebrations. The fans will relish having the bragging rights but they shouldn’t ignore the major concerns that last weekend only highlighted. I’ll tell you what, if I was Efe Ambrose’s agent watching last week I’d be straight back on the phone to Parkhead. Efe was a figure of fun at Celtic for a long time but if he’s produced a performance like Dedryck Boyata’s he would be ridiculed for weeks. Nearly a week on and I still don’t know what he was doing against Rangers. It wasn’t just a poor display - it was delusional. Celtic were not lucky to get off the hook last Sunday. They were only on the hook because they put themselves there. I don’t want to get personal but you have to point the finger at Boyata. The opening goal was extraordinary. People say it was rustiness after his spell out but I’m not having it. I’ve been in the position where I’ve been chucked in to an Old Firm game at centre half. I’ll be honest, when Martin O’Neill told me on the morning of the game I was absolutely s***ing it. I hadn’t played the role for months but I just told myself to stick to the fundamentals, keep it simple and don’t take any chances. For goodness sake play safe. It’s Ibrox, the place is rocking, they’ve been talking themselves up, the last thing you do is give them any encouragement. Boyata did the complete opposite but the shocking thing was that it wasn’t entirely surprising, because he’s got it in him at any time. Everyone makes mistakes but he should be maturing as a player. He’s not a kid any more, he’s 26-years-old and has hopes to go to the World Cup with Belgium. I just hope Roberto Martinez was busy last weekend. Boyata’s obviously Brendan Rodgers’ go-to guy, and he can’t have real faith in Marvin Compper who played the previous week. Whatever way you look at it, the defence is a massive worry. There’s the double Treble on the line at Hampden next month but thy might get away with it because I’m still not convinced Rangers have much more to offer than they did on Sunday. But they have to look at the bigger picture and this backline will have no chance of getting Celtic to the Champions League next season. The managed to scrape through despite several scares in the last couple of campaigns but they’ve got four qualifiers next time around. There’s no chance they’ll get away with it defending they way they have at home and in Europe this time. It has to be the big priority for Rodgers in the summer. A year ago Jozo Simunovic was smashing into Kenny Miller and hailed a hero but he’s gone backwards at a rapid rate. I’m still to be convinced about the Compper signing and Hendry - and Ajer are ones for the future rather than to be relied on getting to the group stages. The way the defence crumbled at Ibrox only made Scott Bain’s performance all the more impressive. I’m amazed he looked so composed with those guys in front of him. He came through it, though, and has made himself undroppable for the rest of the season, as far as I’m concerned. Odsonne Edouard also produced the goods when it mattered and he’s putting up a decent case for Celtic to stump up the cash for him in the summer. I know the £7m talked about is a hefty outlay for a 20-year-old in Scottish terms but that will be the big question. Are Celtic just thinking in Scottish terms or do they have wider ambitions. Edouard would be value for money compared to some as, although he’s far from the finished article, he does have a lot of potential. I don’t see him as a direct replacement if Moussa Dembele goes though. He’s not a natural No.9 for me, I think his best position is coming off the left. He is strong and quick, with a goal threat, and there’s no doubt he is better at linking up with Dembele than Griffiths. Edouard’s still behind those two in terms of being the out-and-out front man but there’s a case to have him in the side. Dembele is undoubtedly a big game player - which is exactly what Alfredos Morelos needed to be for Rangers but he failed miserably. I’ve said before I like Morelos but it’s no use being a flat-track bully against St Johnstone and Ayr. You need to do it when it matters, but he couldn’t stick the ball in an empty net from three yards. That’s not bad luck. It’s rank rotten finishing. In contrast, Celtic have the firepower to take them all the way to a Treble. But the defence will need to get lucky or they could turn the Champions League qualifiers into a rollercoaster ride from Hell. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rangers-luck-going-celtic-boyata-12201077
I don't always like Sutton's articles but that's spot on. I watched the game back the day after and Boyata was actually worse than I originally thought. Spot on it is. Defence particularly centre has been honking all season... Boyata is mistake riddled and personally think he is a bomb scare.
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Matthew Lindsay: Scottish football must still Act to stamp out the scourge of sectarianism Spoiler: click to toggle IT was with a quite impeccable sense of timing that a group of former and current match day delegates, all of whom had requested anonymity, voiced their concerns about how little the football authorities in this country were doing to tackle sectarianism earlier this week.
Just a day later, amid widespread rejoicing among academics, clubs, officials, police officers, politicians, prominent public figures and supporters, the contentious Offensive Behaviour at Football Act was repealed.
Those who opposed the act argued that it was ineffective and unnecessary and pointed out police and the courts already had sufficient powers to punish the sort of conduct it was introduced to tackle.
“It is wrong to create a law which applies to one demonised sector of society,” a petition which received 9,000 signatures and was handed in to the Scottish parliament three years ago stated with undeniable logic.
“This legislation was a clumsy political response to one football match (the infamous Old Firm game at Celtic Park back in 2011) which serves only to unjustly criminalise football supporters.”
All four opposition parties clearly agreed. The SNP government was outvoted by 62 to 60 at Holyrood on Thursday. The act will be taken off the statute book next month. Few will mourn its passing.
Neil Lennon, a man who knows as well as anyone about the darker side of the game in this country, is of the view that huge strides forward have been made in the battle against this age-old problem in recent years.
“I think it is better,” the Hibernian manager said. “The majority of supporters in the country now are supporting within the laws of the game.”
Alas, the match delegates who spoke to BBC Scotland of their experiences disagreed. They are distressed by the fact that nothing continues to be done to address what they are convinced remains, albeit to a lesser degree than in the past, a problem in the Scottish game.
“It was so frustrating,” said a former delegate. “I know that some of those who are still working today are absolutely appalled that nothing has changed. It seems like the Scottish Professional Football League (SPFL) is content to sweep the issue under the carpet.”
The SPFL employ match delegates to ensure their rules are adhered to during matches and reporting sectarian signing comes within their remit.
But one pointed out: “We had numerous meetings with the police, who told us which songs to look out for, but it was pointless because when we reported them, nothing was ever done.”
The reasons for that is there is, unlike in the Champions League, Europa League, Premier League in England and many other leagues around Europe, no strict liability rule in Scotland.
If a club can show they took all necessary precautions to prevent acts of delinquency before a game and then illustrate they took measures against those responsible for misconduct afterwards then they will escape punishment.
There is no appetite for strict liability to be introduced in this country either. Those who oppose it believe it is open to abuse. A rival fan, they say, could infiltrate the support of the team he detests and act in a manner which will result in a fine or sporting sanction.
But if Scottish football is unprepared to take action then others may be. James Kelly, the Labour MSP stressed that a “much wider and more serious conversation” was needed to tackle sectarianism and offered to work with the government on the issue.
Regardless of how well meaning his intentions are, the prospect of our elected representatives once again involving themselves in to football matters, something which both UEFA and FIFA take a decidedly dim view of, is an unappealing one.
Matches in Scotland are still blighted by chants about “Fenians” and “Huns” and other phrases which have no place in the modern game and the fact they are broadcast around Britain, Europe and the world on television continue to reflect badly on this country.
The Offensive Behaviour at Football Act may be soon be no more, and good riddance to it, but the clubs, the SFA and the SPFL must now act themselves and stamp out what remains a concerning issue.
There's nothing sectarian about the word 'hun.'
And I don't think many Celtic fans mind being called 'fenian.' Many will take it as a badge of honour!
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Matthew Lindsay: Scottish football must still Act to stamp out the scourge of sectarianism Whataboutery and pish IT was with a quite impeccable sense of timing that a group of former and current match day delegates, all of whom had requested anonymity, voiced their concerns about how little the football authorities in this country were doing to tackle sectarianism earlier this week.
Just a day later, amid widespread rejoicing among academics, clubs, officials, police officers, politicians, prominent public figures and supporters, the contentious Offensive Behaviour at Football Act was repealed.
Those who opposed the act argued that it was ineffective and unnecessary and pointed out police and the courts already had sufficient powers to punish the sort of conduct it was introduced to tackle.
“It is wrong to create a law which applies to one demonised sector of society,” a petition which received 9,000 signatures and was handed in to the Scottish parliament three years ago stated with undeniable logic.
“This legislation was a clumsy political response to one football match (the infamous Old Firm game at Celtic Park back in 2011) which serves only to unjustly criminalise football supporters.”
All four opposition parties clearly agreed. The SNP government was outvoted by 62 to 60 at Holyrood on Thursday. The act will be taken off the statute book next month. Few will mourn its passing.
Neil Lennon, a man who knows as well as anyone about the darker side of the game in this country, is of the view that huge strides forward have been made in the battle against this age-old problem in recent years.
“I think it is better,” the Hibernian manager said. “The majority of supporters in the country now are supporting within the laws of the game.”
Alas, the match delegates who spoke to BBC Scotland of their experiences disagreed. They are distressed by the fact that nothing continues to be done to address what they are convinced remains, albeit to a lesser degree than in the past, a problem in the Scottish game.
“It was so frustrating,” said a former delegate. “I know that some of those who are still working today are absolutely appalled that nothing has changed. It seems like the Scottish Professional Football League (SPFL) is content to sweep the issue under the carpet.”
The SPFL employ match delegates to ensure their rules are adhered to during matches and reporting sectarian signing comes within their remit.
But one pointed out: “We had numerous meetings with the police, who told us which songs to look out for, but it was pointless because when we reported them, nothing was ever done.”
The reasons for that is there is, unlike in the Champions League, Europa League, Premier League in England and many other leagues around Europe, no strict liability rule in Scotland.
If a club can show they took all necessary precautions to prevent acts of delinquency before a game and then illustrate they took measures against those responsible for misconduct afterwards then they will escape punishment.
There is no appetite for strict liability to be introduced in this country either. Those who oppose it believe it is open to abuse. A rival fan, they say, could infiltrate the support of the team he detests and act in a manner which will result in a fine or sporting sanction.
But if Scottish football is unprepared to take action then others may be. James Kelly, the Labour MSP stressed that a “much wider and more serious conversation” was needed to tackle sectarianism and offered to work with the government on the issue.
Regardless of how well meaning his intentions are, the prospect of our elected representatives once again involving themselves in to football matters, something which both UEFA and FIFA take a decidedly dim view of, is an unappealing one.
Matches in Scotland are still blighted by chants about “Fenians” and “Huns” and other phrases which have no place in the modern game and the fact they are broadcast around Britain, Europe and the world on television continue to reflect badly on this country.
The Offensive Behaviour at Football Act may be soon be no more, and good riddance to it, but the clubs, the SFA and the SPFL must now act themselves and stamp out what remains a concerning issue. I'm not going to take advice on 'sectarianism' from an apologist for the various manifestations of Rangers
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Matthew Lindsay: Scottish football must still Act to stamp out the scourge of sectarianism Spoiler: click to toggle IT was with a quite impeccable sense of timing that a group of former and current match day delegates, all of whom had requested anonymity, voiced their concerns about how little the football authorities in this country were doing to tackle sectarianism earlier this week.
Just a day later, amid widespread rejoicing among academics, clubs, officials, police officers, politicians, prominent public figures and supporters, the contentious Offensive Behaviour at Football Act was repealed.
Those who opposed the act argued that it was ineffective and unnecessary and pointed out police and the courts already had sufficient powers to punish the sort of conduct it was introduced to tackle.
“It is wrong to create a law which applies to one demonised sector of society,” a petition which received 9,000 signatures and was handed in to the Scottish parliament three years ago stated with undeniable logic.
“This legislation was a clumsy political response to one football match (the infamous Old Firm game at Celtic Park back in 2011) which serves only to unjustly criminalise football supporters.”
All four opposition parties clearly agreed. The SNP government was outvoted by 62 to 60 at Holyrood on Thursday. The act will be taken off the statute book next month. Few will mourn its passing.
Neil Lennon, a man who knows as well as anyone about the darker side of the game in this country, is of the view that huge strides forward have been made in the battle against this age-old problem in recent years.
“I think it is better,” the Hibernian manager said. “The majority of supporters in the country now are supporting within the laws of the game.”
Alas, the match delegates who spoke to BBC Scotland of their experiences disagreed. They are distressed by the fact that nothing continues to be done to address what they are convinced remains, albeit to a lesser degree than in the past, a problem in the Scottish game.
“It was so frustrating,” said a former delegate. “I know that some of those who are still working today are absolutely appalled that nothing has changed. It seems like the Scottish Professional Football League (SPFL) is content to sweep the issue under the carpet.”
The SPFL employ match delegates to ensure their rules are adhered to during matches and reporting sectarian signing comes within their remit.
But one pointed out: “We had numerous meetings with the police, who told us which songs to look out for, but it was pointless because when we reported them, nothing was ever done.”
The reasons for that is there is, unlike in the Champions League, Europa League, Premier League in England and many other leagues around Europe, no strict liability rule in Scotland.
If a club can show they took all necessary precautions to prevent acts of delinquency before a game and then illustrate they took measures against those responsible for misconduct afterwards then they will escape punishment.
There is no appetite for strict liability to be introduced in this country either. Those who oppose it believe it is open to abuse. A rival fan, they say, could infiltrate the support of the team he detests and act in a manner which will result in a fine or sporting sanction.
But if Scottish football is unprepared to take action then others may be. James Kelly, the Labour MSP stressed that a “much wider and more serious conversation” was needed to tackle sectarianism and offered to work with the government on the issue.
Regardless of how well meaning his intentions are, the prospect of our elected representatives once again involving themselves in to football matters, something which both UEFA and FIFA take a decidedly dim view of, is an unappealing one.
Matches in Scotland are still blighted by chants about “Fenians” and “Huns” and other phrases which have no place in the modern game and the fact they are broadcast around Britain, Europe and the world on television continue to reflect badly on this country.
The Offensive Behaviour at Football Act may be soon be no more, and good riddance to it, but the clubs, the SFA and the SPFL must now act themselves and stamp out what remains a concerning issue.
There's nothing sectarian about the word 'hun.' And I don't think many Celtic fans mind being called 'fenian.' Many will take it as a badge of honour! I think you're right there. Many will. It's all about context.
If Celtic fans are going to chant about being in a 'Fenian army' then the huns can quite easily argue that no one is likely to take offence at a poster talking about their 'match against the Fenians'. I actually thought the initial poster said 'march against the Fenians' so either they changed it or I read it wrong.
They could probably also argue that their banner with a Celtic fan getting kicked in the head is no more or less offensive than effigies/dolls/whatever being hung from the stand.
But add in their balaclavas and 'red hand salutes' and their general poison and racism. In that context, I don't like them.
If they're offended by the word hun, that's up to them. It's not sectarian though, no matter how hard they go on about it.
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17 Mar 2018, 01:28 PM
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Matthew Lindsay: Scottish football must still Act to stamp out the scourge of sectarianism Whataboutery and pish IT was with a quite impeccable sense of timing that a group of former and current match day delegates, all of whom had requested anonymity, voiced their concerns about how little the football authorities in this country were doing to tackle sectarianism earlier this week.
Just a day later, amid widespread rejoicing among academics, clubs, officials, police officers, politicians, prominent public figures and supporters, the contentious Offensive Behaviour at Football Act was repealed.
Those who opposed the act argued that it was ineffective and unnecessary and pointed out police and the courts already had sufficient powers to punish the sort of conduct it was introduced to tackle.
“It is wrong to create a law which applies to one demonised sector of society,” a petition which received 9,000 signatures and was handed in to the Scottish parliament three years ago stated with undeniable logic.
“This legislation was a clumsy political response to one football match (the infamous Old Firm game at Celtic Park back in 2011) which serves only to unjustly criminalise football supporters.”
All four opposition parties clearly agreed. The SNP government was outvoted by 62 to 60 at Holyrood on Thursday. The act will be taken off the statute book next month. Few will mourn its passing.
Neil Lennon, a man who knows as well as anyone about the darker side of the game in this country, is of the view that huge strides forward have been made in the battle against this age-old problem in recent years.
“I think it is better,” the Hibernian manager said. “The majority of supporters in the country now are supporting within the laws of the game.”
Alas, the match delegates who spoke to BBC Scotland of their experiences disagreed. They are distressed by the fact that nothing continues to be done to address what they are convinced remains, albeit to a lesser degree than in the past, a problem in the Scottish game.
“It was so frustrating,” said a former delegate. “I know that some of those who are still working today are absolutely appalled that nothing has changed. It seems like the Scottish Professional Football League (SPFL) is content to sweep the issue under the carpet.”
The SPFL employ match delegates to ensure their rules are adhered to during matches and reporting sectarian signing comes within their remit.
But one pointed out: “We had numerous meetings with the police, who told us which songs to look out for, but it was pointless because when we reported them, nothing was ever done.”
The reasons for that is there is, unlike in the Champions League, Europa League, Premier League in England and many other leagues around Europe, no strict liability rule in Scotland.
If a club can show they took all necessary precautions to prevent acts of delinquency before a game and then illustrate they took measures against those responsible for misconduct afterwards then they will escape punishment.
There is no appetite for strict liability to be introduced in this country either. Those who oppose it believe it is open to abuse. A rival fan, they say, could infiltrate the support of the team he detests and act in a manner which will result in a fine or sporting sanction.
But if Scottish football is unprepared to take action then others may be. James Kelly, the Labour MSP stressed that a “much wider and more serious conversation” was needed to tackle sectarianism and offered to work with the government on the issue.
Regardless of how well meaning his intentions are, the prospect of our elected representatives once again involving themselves in to football matters, something which both UEFA and FIFA take a decidedly dim view of, is an unappealing one.
Matches in Scotland are still blighted by chants about “Fenians” and “Huns” and other phrases which have no place in the modern game and the fact they are broadcast around Britain, Europe and the world on television continue to reflect badly on this country.
The Offensive Behaviour at Football Act may be soon be no more, and good riddance to it, but the clubs, the SFA and the SPFL must now act themselves and stamp out what remains a concerning issue.
I'm not going to take advice on 'sectarianism' from an apologist for the various manifestations of Rangers  Inveness Caley supporter though.
Only games he has managed to ever get to are ones against Rangers funnily enough.
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Have none of the journos in this country ever accused Aberdeen fans of sectarianism when they call sevco ‘huns’ or Dundee fans or St J fans?
I know quite a few who do - and none of the are catholic either
They will talk about playing the Tims - generally never say fenian - Tims yes
They’re not being sectarian either when they say it
The campaign to outlaw ‘hun’ is just a desperate attempt to equate language - when their (sevco) vocabulary is genuinely full of anti Irish names for us - they need a word for their whataboutery
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