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16 Mar 2018, 11:35 AM
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Just finished reading that Barry article
if being 11v11 they were the better side why did they celebrate when we had Jozo sent off?
Good for a laugh and just proof that he really is a fud
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16 Mar 2018, 11:40 AM
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Barry's right though, if we hadn't got lucky those 9 (I think) times we'd probably have lost 5-1 (I think)
Fine margins
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16 Mar 2018, 11:41 AM
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What chances did they have to make it 3-1?
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16 Mar 2018, 11:43 AM
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This is wonderful  We were just lucky on Sunday because if all the things that happened hadn't happened, we'd have lost. Celtic boss Brendan Rodgers is no managerial mastermind and got lucky against Rangers - Barry FergusonBarry isn't convinced last Sunday's 3-2 win was a masterclass from Rodgers everything ran for him. Spoiler: click to toggle Sometimes it’s better to be lucky than good.
Take last Sunday. A day when Celtic’s manager should have walked straight out of Ibrox along Paisley Road West and into the casino at Springfield Quay to stick a year’s wages on black.
Because absolutely everything was coming up for Brendan Rodgers.
So please, leave me out of this theory that Graeme Murty was being schooled by some sort of managerial mastermind as Rangerslost to 10 men.
That has been the talk amongst a lot of fans who are using this latest derby defeat as proof that Murty is in way over his head his against Rodgers and not up to the job of taking my old club back to the top.
Excuse me, but what have these people been watching? If they can’t see the strides Rangers have made in a very short space of time under Murty then they don’t have a clue what they are talking about.
And to use last Sunday as a stick to hit him over the head with is just a massive over-reaction to another painful result. I sympathise because I’m hurting too. I’ve been a Rangers man long enough to know winning means everything, especially on derby day.
But I’ve watched the game again and keep coming back to the same conclusion – the only real difference between Celtic and Rangers on the day was a massive slice of good fortune.
Yes, Rodgers has taken all the plaudits because of the decisions he made in the second half. And who am I to disagree?
I take my hat off to the guy because, as a manager, he is different class.
When he made the call to take off James Forrest and replace him with a striker, with his side down to 10 men and the game balanced at 2-2, it was incredibly brave and bold management.
But what happened next was also incredibly lucky and he’s fortunate it all went his way because had Rangers won 3-2 it would have been him and not Murty who has spent the last week under fire.
Why did he start with Dedryck Boyata and a back three when this was always going to be the most vulnerable part of his team?
Why then change a midfielder for a striker with the game in the balance?
Rodgers would have had to find answers to some seriously difficult questions but he was spared from that because the gods were smiling on him. Had Sean Goss showed Odsonne Edouard down the outside – as he should have done – then the Celtic sub would have been unlikely to score the winning goal two minutes after coming on to the pitch.
That wasn’t down to Rodgers being a genius, that was down to sheer luck.
Long before that Rangers could have had the game wrapped up when they were by far the superior side.
Had they taken one of their chances to make it 3-1 in the first half then I’m pretty sure Celtic would not have come back from it.
They got another break early in the game when Goss was too inexperienced to realise he had to take one for the team when the ball broke to Tom Rogic seconds before the Australian curled home Celtic’s first goal. Goss should have cleaned him out before he had a chance to line up his shot.
Celtic got lucky again when David Bates had to be carried off right after the Rogic equaliser because the youngster has been Rangers best defender for some time now
I am absolutely certain Bates would not have got on the wrong side of Moussa Dembele seconds before half time the way his replacement Fabio Cardoso did – allowing Celtic to end the half on a huge high.
There was another massive moment at the end of the second half when Alfredo Morelos missed an open goal from two yards out. On any other day he scores to level it up.
I would even go as far as to say Rodgers got lucky again when Jozo Simunovic was sent off because, for as long as the game was 11 v 11, Rangers were the better side.
It was only after that moment Celtic really got to grips with the game and I know from experience how a match can change when one side goes down to 10 men. The decision gave Celtic a shot in the arm and created a siege mentality.
Rangers didn’t react well to it at all.
That was frustrating to watch because they should have been moving the ball quicker and using the whole of the pitch to tire their opponents and open Celtic up. That they failed to do that was another sign of inexperience and, yes, Murty has to take his share of the blame.
But he will learn from it and so will his players.
I agreed with every word he said after the game and I’m a bit surprised that he has retracted some of it. He wasn’t too harsh at all.
Yes, all three of Celtic’s goals could have been avoided. Yes, Rangers could and should have played better after Celtic went down to 10 men.
And yes, these players might just have missed the best ever chance to get one over on their old rivals.
Murty was right on all points but that doesn’t mean that Rangers won’t recover and become stronger for it.
What I see is a work in progress both on the pitch and in the technical area. These are inexperienced players working for an inexperienced manager.
But where Rangers are now compared to where they were under Pedro Caixinha is night and day.
The manager and his players now need to regroup and bounce back quickly. By the time they head to Hampden to face Celtic in the Scottish Cup semi-final on April 15 their tails should be up again.
They should look back on Sunday and learn their lessons.
But most of all, they should realise how far they have come together and how far the gap has been closed.
What I saw was a Rangers side which no longer lives in fear of Celtic. I described the fixture as a boxing match and Sunday showed me Rangers are now confident enough to go toe-to-toe with their old rivals for the first time in a long time.
The fact they were so disappointed on Sunday tells me this is a group of players who will be bursting a gut to put it right at Hampden.
Murty is no longer setting his players up just to survive against Celtic. He’s setting them up to beat them. Next time, with a bit of luck on his side, that’s exactly what might happen.
Where to start with this?
If I go back a few years to our 0-3 win at Ibrox under MoN, the Bold Bazza should have wiped out Lubo as he moves onto Larsson's flick on, just like Goss should have on Rogic, He didn't and Lubo buried it just like Rogic. Fernando the Commando should have shown Lubo outside in the same game, Lubo sent him for some messages and tied Klos in a knot in one move. Does Edouard deserve some credit?
Bazza managed a red card the previous season at CP - his team got humped 6-2. Scott Wilson the same two years before that, humped 5-1.
It isn't normal for teams to go down to 10 and win. It isn't normal for excellent finishes and exploiting space to be dismissed as luck. It isn't normal to suggest that we didn't have the lions share of chances, corners and possession up to the sending off and even more bizarre to suggest that we were outplayed.
By all means back Murty (keep dong it and he'll be here for a good while hopefully) but to do it by not recognising sharp play and tactics just crushes the argument.
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16 Mar 2018, 11:48 AM
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- El Toro
- 16 Mar 2018, 07:55 AM
This is wonderful  We were just lucky on Sunday because if all the things that happened hadn't happened, we'd have lost. Celtic boss Brendan Rodgers is no managerial mastermind and got lucky against Rangers - Barry FergusonBarry isn't convinced last Sunday's 3-2 win was a masterclass from Rodgers everything ran for him. Spoiler: click to toggle Sometimes it’s better to be lucky than good.
Take last Sunday. A day when Celtic’s manager should have walked straight out of Ibrox along Paisley Road West and into the casino at Springfield Quay to stick a year’s wages on black.
Because absolutely everything was coming up for Brendan Rodgers.
So please, leave me out of this theory that Graeme Murty was being schooled by some sort of managerial mastermind as Rangerslost to 10 men.
That has been the talk amongst a lot of fans who are using this latest derby defeat as proof that Murty is in way over his head his against Rodgers and not up to the job of taking my old club back to the top.
Excuse me, but what have these people been watching? If they can’t see the strides Rangers have made in a very short space of time under Murty then they don’t have a clue what they are talking about.
And to use last Sunday as a stick to hit him over the head with is just a massive over-reaction to another painful result. I sympathise because I’m hurting too. I’ve been a Rangers man long enough to know winning means everything, especially on derby day.
But I’ve watched the game again and keep coming back to the same conclusion – the only real difference between Celtic and Rangers on the day was a massive slice of good fortune.
Yes, Rodgers has taken all the plaudits because of the decisions he made in the second half. And who am I to disagree?
I take my hat off to the guy because, as a manager, he is different class.
When he made the call to take off James Forrest and replace him with a striker, with his side down to 10 men and the game balanced at 2-2, it was incredibly brave and bold management.
But what happened next was also incredibly lucky and he’s fortunate it all went his way because had Rangers won 3-2 it would have been him and not Murty who has spent the last week under fire.
Why did he start with Dedryck Boyata and a back three when this was always going to be the most vulnerable part of his team?
Why then change a midfielder for a striker with the game in the balance?
Rodgers would have had to find answers to some seriously difficult questions but he was spared from that because the gods were smiling on him. Had Sean Goss showed Odsonne Edouard down the outside – as he should have done – then the Celtic sub would have been unlikely to score the winning goal two minutes after coming on to the pitch.
That wasn’t down to Rodgers being a genius, that was down to sheer luck.
Long before that Rangers could have had the game wrapped up when they were by far the superior side.
Had they taken one of their chances to make it 3-1 in the first half then I’m pretty sure Celtic would not have come back from it.
They got another break early in the game when Goss was too inexperienced to realise he had to take one for the team when the ball broke to Tom Rogic seconds before the Australian curled home Celtic’s first goal. Goss should have cleaned him out before he had a chance to line up his shot.
Celtic got lucky again when David Bates had to be carried off right after the Rogic equaliser because the youngster has been Rangers best defender for some time now
I am absolutely certain Bates would not have got on the wrong side of Moussa Dembele seconds before half time the way his replacement Fabio Cardoso did – allowing Celtic to end the half on a huge high.
There was another massive moment at the end of the second half when Alfredo Morelos missed an open goal from two yards out. On any other day he scores to level it up.
I would even go as far as to say Rodgers got lucky again when Jozo Simunovic was sent off because, for as long as the game was 11 v 11, Rangers were the better side.
It was only after that moment Celtic really got to grips with the game and I know from experience how a match can change when one side goes down to 10 men. The decision gave Celtic a shot in the arm and created a siege mentality.
Rangers didn’t react well to it at all.
That was frustrating to watch because they should have been moving the ball quicker and using the whole of the pitch to tire their opponents and open Celtic up. That they failed to do that was another sign of inexperience and, yes, Murty has to take his share of the blame.
But he will learn from it and so will his players.
I agreed with every word he said after the game and I’m a bit surprised that he has retracted some of it. He wasn’t too harsh at all.
Yes, all three of Celtic’s goals could have been avoided. Yes, Rangers could and should have played better after Celtic went down to 10 men.
And yes, these players might just have missed the best ever chance to get one over on their old rivals.
Murty was right on all points but that doesn’t mean that Rangers won’t recover and become stronger for it.
What I see is a work in progress both on the pitch and in the technical area. These are inexperienced players working for an inexperienced manager.
But where Rangers are now compared to where they were under Pedro Caixinha is night and day.
The manager and his players now need to regroup and bounce back quickly. By the time they head to Hampden to face Celtic in the Scottish Cup semi-final on April 15 their tails should be up again.
They should look back on Sunday and learn their lessons.
But most of all, they should realise how far they have come together and how far the gap has been closed.
What I saw was a Rangers side which no longer lives in fear of Celtic. I described the fixture as a boxing match and Sunday showed me Rangers are now confident enough to go toe-to-toe with their old rivals for the first time in a long time.
The fact they were so disappointed on Sunday tells me this is a group of players who will be bursting a gut to put it right at Hampden.
Murty is no longer setting his players up just to survive against Celtic. He’s setting them up to beat them. Next time, with a bit of luck on his side, that’s exactly what might happen.
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16 Mar 2018, 11:49 AM
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All the Celtic goals were jammy because of defensive mistakes, whereas theirs were conjured through sheer brilliance.
Any hun hot takes which make excuses for getting their arses skelped are more than welcome. If they continue to collectively make excuses for being the biggest laughing stock in world football it just leads to more days like Sunday.
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16 Mar 2018, 11:58 AM
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- 16 Mar 2018, 11:41 AM
What chances did they have to make it 3-1?
They had a bye kick on 37 minutes. If the goalkeeper had played it out to Tavernier he could have passed it to Candeias who would then have played in Morelos for a tap in. Fortunately for us the goalkeeper played it to the other side of the park and we avoided a heavy defeat.
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16 Mar 2018, 12:05 PM
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We had 4 at the back as well ya wee turd.
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16 Mar 2018, 12:08 PM
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Barry, Barry, Barry, you have certainly lightened up a dull day.
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16 Mar 2018, 12:10 PM
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Well i for one know that young Master Ferguson knows what he is on about , im sure we will all remember his tactical master class in that never to be forgotten match Clyde 2 v 2 Cowdenbeath , Ferguson turned to young Bob Malcolm who was busy selling ice cream to the standside linesman at the time , and said to him "listen Boab im gonna tell the players we need to get a goal here" .....a tactical master stroke it was as well . The monday night on Sky sports was epic as Carragher and Nevillie had the big screens and tactics board out , analysing young Fergusons tactical genius . People say that is were Pep got his ideas from Listen in tonight on BBC Sportsound hosts a 2 hour special , Kenny Macintyre chats to Ferguson about how much of a tactical genius he really is (Bob Malcolm cant make it im afraid as he has to make up the 10p mixture bags for the weekend )
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16 Mar 2018, 12:10 PM
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- 16 Mar 2018, 11:41 AM
What chances did they have to make it 3-1?
They had a bye kick on 37 minutes. If the goalkeeper had played it out to Tavernier he could have passed it to Candeias who would then have played in Morelos for a tap in. Fortunately for us the goalkeeper played it to the other side of the park and we avoided a heavy defeat.
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16 Mar 2018, 12:34 PM
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That article is fantastic. Up there with anything ever printed in the succulent media.
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16 Mar 2018, 12:36 PM
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i mean its all crazy but the highlight for me is he is actually questioning why he brought on a striker for a midfielder even after he scored the winner
the denial stage of their grief is always a lot funnier than them accepting they are crap
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16 Mar 2018, 12:40 PM
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- 16 Mar 2018, 11:49 AM
All the Celtic goals were jammy because of defensive mistakes, whereas theirs were conjured through sheer brilliance.
Any hun hot takes which make excuses for getting their arses skelped are more than welcome. If they continue to collectively make excuses for being the biggest laughing stock in world football it just leads to more days like Sunday. Indeed. Long may it continue.
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16 Mar 2018, 12:56 PM
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Imagine what it would have been like if they'd won. Last week was always going to be a lose-lose for us in terms of the media narrative following the game, but their pain has made it all worthwhile. Screeds upon screeds of sweet Hun tears all week
Anyhow, we move onto the semi now because that's the real quiz and that's where they'll put us in our place.
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16 Mar 2018, 01:00 PM
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- 16 Mar 2018, 08:47 AM
"Rodgers got lucky again when Jozo Simunovic was sent off because, for as long as the game was 11 v 11, Rangers were the better side."
No they weren't ya hurting wee fud. I couldn't be arsed reading the article but this is simply sensational
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- 16 Mar 2018, 09:15 AM
What... this Barry?
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16 Mar 2018, 01:26 PM
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Would love to see Bazza take over from Murty. He would combust after our 2nd,3rd or 4th goal. Unfortunately for us Bazza will probably take over from Pep....Soon!!
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16 Mar 2018, 01:38 PM
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- 16 Mar 2018, 11:11 AM
Barry has the last laugh though.
He actually gets paid for writing that.
It's difficult to sympathise with the rapid decline and fall of the tabloids when you realise that this is their standard. I suspect Gordon Parks is the one getting paid for writing that.
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16 Mar 2018, 01:43 PM
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- 16 Mar 2018, 07:55 AM
This is wonderful  We were just lucky on Sunday because if all the things that happened hadn't happened, we'd have lost. Celtic boss Brendan Rodgers is no managerial mastermind and got lucky against Rangers - Barry FergusonBarry isn't convinced last Sunday's 3-2 win was a masterclass from Rodgers everything ran for him. Spoiler: click to toggle Sometimes it’s better to be lucky than good.
Take last Sunday. A day when Celtic’s manager should have walked straight out of Ibrox along Paisley Road West and into the casino at Springfield Quay to stick a year’s wages on black.
Because absolutely everything was coming up for Brendan Rodgers.
So please, leave me out of this theory that Graeme Murty was being schooled by some sort of managerial mastermind as Rangerslost to 10 men.
That has been the talk amongst a lot of fans who are using this latest derby defeat as proof that Murty is in way over his head his against Rodgers and not up to the job of taking my old club back to the top.
Excuse me, but what have these people been watching? If they can’t see the strides Rangers have made in a very short space of time under Murty then they don’t have a clue what they are talking about.
And to use last Sunday as a stick to hit him over the head with is just a massive over-reaction to another painful result. I sympathise because I’m hurting too. I’ve been a Rangers man long enough to know winning means everything, especially on derby day.
But I’ve watched the game again and keep coming back to the same conclusion – the only real difference between Celtic and Rangers on the day was a massive slice of good fortune.
Yes, Rodgers has taken all the plaudits because of the decisions he made in the second half. And who am I to disagree?
I take my hat off to the guy because, as a manager, he is different class.
When he made the call to take off James Forrest and replace him with a striker, with his side down to 10 men and the game balanced at 2-2, it was incredibly brave and bold management.
But what happened next was also incredibly lucky and he’s fortunate it all went his way because had Rangers won 3-2 it would have been him and not Murty who has spent the last week under fire.
Why did he start with Dedryck Boyata and a back three when this was always going to be the most vulnerable part of his team?
Why then change a midfielder for a striker with the game in the balance?
Rodgers would have had to find answers to some seriously difficult questions but he was spared from that because the gods were smiling on him. Had Sean Goss showed Odsonne Edouard down the outside – as he should have done – then the Celtic sub would have been unlikely to score the winning goal two minutes after coming on to the pitch.
That wasn’t down to Rodgers being a genius, that was down to sheer luck.
Long before that Rangers could have had the game wrapped up when they were by far the superior side.
Had they taken one of their chances to make it 3-1 in the first half then I’m pretty sure Celtic would not have come back from it.
They got another break early in the game when Goss was too inexperienced to realise he had to take one for the team when the ball broke to Tom Rogic seconds before the Australian curled home Celtic’s first goal. Goss should have cleaned him out before he had a chance to line up his shot.
Celtic got lucky again when David Bates had to be carried off right after the Rogic equaliser because the youngster has been Rangers best defender for some time now
I am absolutely certain Bates would not have got on the wrong side of Moussa Dembele seconds before half time the way his replacement Fabio Cardoso did – allowing Celtic to end the half on a huge high.
There was another massive moment at the end of the second half when Alfredo Morelos missed an open goal from two yards out. On any other day he scores to level it up.
I would even go as far as to say Rodgers got lucky again when Jozo Simunovic was sent off because, for as long as the game was 11 v 11, Rangers were the better side.
It was only after that moment Celtic really got to grips with the game and I know from experience how a match can change when one side goes down to 10 men. The decision gave Celtic a shot in the arm and created a siege mentality.
Rangers didn’t react well to it at all.
That was frustrating to watch because they should have been moving the ball quicker and using the whole of the pitch to tire their opponents and open Celtic up. That they failed to do that was another sign of inexperience and, yes, Murty has to take his share of the blame.
But he will learn from it and so will his players.
I agreed with every word he said after the game and I’m a bit surprised that he has retracted some of it. He wasn’t too harsh at all.
Yes, all three of Celtic’s goals could have been avoided. Yes, Rangers could and should have played better after Celtic went down to 10 men.
And yes, these players might just have missed the best ever chance to get one over on their old rivals.
Murty was right on all points but that doesn’t mean that Rangers won’t recover and become stronger for it.
What I see is a work in progress both on the pitch and in the technical area. These are inexperienced players working for an inexperienced manager.
But where Rangers are now compared to where they were under Pedro Caixinha is night and day.
The manager and his players now need to regroup and bounce back quickly. By the time they head to Hampden to face Celtic in the Scottish Cup semi-final on April 15 their tails should be up again.
They should look back on Sunday and learn their lessons.
But most of all, they should realise how far they have come together and how far the gap has been closed.
What I saw was a Rangers side which no longer lives in fear of Celtic. I described the fixture as a boxing match and Sunday showed me Rangers are now confident enough to go toe-to-toe with their old rivals for the first time in a long time.
The fact they were so disappointed on Sunday tells me this is a group of players who will be bursting a gut to put it right at Hampden.
Murty is no longer setting his players up just to survive against Celtic. He’s setting them up to beat them. Next time, with a bit of luck on his side, that’s exactly what might happen.
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