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15 Mar 2018, 12:03 PM
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There's a thread on Follow Follow complaining about Crocker and Walker's bias towards us in the commentary of Sunday's game.
I think Crocker likes us Rangers keep your distance, keep your distance!
I think you may be right there.
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15 Mar 2018, 12:34 PM
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There's a thread on Follow Follow complaining about Crocker and Walker's bias towards us in the commentary of Sunday's game.
I think Crocker likes us
Rangers keep your distance, keep your distance! I think you may be right there. When Lustig made it five last year he also said, "Celtic have well and truly put Rangers in their place".
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15 Mar 2018, 01:07 PM
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Chris McGlauchlin actually started his report last night saying..." blah blah blah Sectarianism, blah blah blah reports to the SPL . This one is about fans singing about the IRA...." Yes, but your report is about sectarianism you dickhead.
He subtly dropped the word "offensive" into the description of the songs "in support of the IRA". Of course this had nothing to do with the whole item which was about "sweeping sectarianism under the carpet" but I'm sure the bold Chris knew that. As soon as the item started with a montage of Celtic fans I thought "Oh aye, here we go again". Same here, and I wasn't disappointed. It was utter cack.
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15 Mar 2018, 01:15 PM
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Would it help if the BBC actually knew the meaning of the word Sectarianism?
The starting point in Scotia Minor is that anything Irish is automatically sectarian.  It helps with the one side's as bad as the other narrative.
Chris McGlauchlin actually started his report last night saying..." blah blah blah Sectarianism, blah blah blah reports to the SPL . This one is about fans singing about the IRA...." Yes, but your report is about sectarianism you dickhead. I was one of the people who complained to the BBC about Rob McLean saying we were singing sectarian songs at the cup final. It went all the way to the BBC Trust, in a closed meeting where the complainers had no input.
The Trust ruled they were right to use the term due to 'Political Sectarianism'. One of the examples they used in their arguments before the hearing was the 'Political Sectarianism between the Bolsheviks and Mensheviks'. I pointed out that it was 'sectarianism' because they were two sects of a fragmented party.
They're a bunch of arseholes.
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15 Mar 2018, 03:04 PM
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Newspaper Circulation still plummetting
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15 Mar 2018, 08:00 PM
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Chris McGlauchlin actually started his report last night saying..." blah blah blah Sectarianism, blah blah blah reports to the SPL . This one is about fans singing about the IRA...." Yes, but your report is about sectarianism you dickhead.
I was one of the people who complained to the BBC about Rob McLean saying we were singing sectarian songs at the cup final. It went all the way to the BBC Trust, in a closed meeting where the complainers had no input. The Trust ruled they were right to use the term due to 'Political Sectarianism'. One of the examples they used in their arguments before the hearing was the 'Political Sectarianism between the Bolsheviks and Mensheviks'. I pointed out that it was 'sectarianism' because they were two sects of a fragmented party. They're a bunch of arseholes. Your complaint should have been the fact that that BBC were taking instructions for a football club. One of the leaked Charlotte fakeover things proved that the only reason that anything was mentioned that day was because der hun had asked them to do it to deflect from the actual sectarianism going on round Govan way. There was no singing that day of that nature.
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15 Mar 2018, 08:12 PM
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Handy for nosfertu that steward contacting him today and just happening to use the same descriptors as he did in his report eh?
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15 Mar 2018, 08:58 PM
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- 15 Mar 2018, 11:01 AM
Would it help if the BBC actually knew the meaning of the word Sectarianism?
In a nutshell.
Commons will know what 'dead air' means before their cast of resident fools understand what sectarianism means.
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15 Mar 2018, 09:08 PM
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I was one of the people who complained to the BBC about Rob McLean saying we were singing sectarian songs at the cup final. It went all the way to the BBC Trust, in a closed meeting where the complainers had no input. The Trust ruled they were right to use the term due to 'Political Sectarianism'. One of the examples they used in their arguments before the hearing was the 'Political Sectarianism between the Bolsheviks and Mensheviks'. I pointed out that it was 'sectarianism' because they were two sects of a fragmented party. They're a bunch of arseholes.
Your complaint should have been the fact that that BBC were taking instructions for a football club. One of the leaked Charlotte fakeover things proved that the only reason that anything was mentioned that day was because der hun had asked them to do it to deflect from the actual sectarianism going on round Govan way. There was no singing that day of that nature. Incredible how no one ever joins up the dots.
I remember how when I worked for the BBC Scotland complaint unit at Queen Maragret drive, the line to fob off fans complaining about the anti Catholic, bigoted noise from the dead clubs fans, was that BBC never commented on this and that they couldn't do anything about the crowd noise. That day it changed when McLean mentioned it inaccurately out of the blue. It's fecking unbelievable.
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15 Mar 2018, 09:24 PM
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I was one of the people who complained to the BBC about Rob McLean saying we were singing sectarian songs at the cup final. It went all the way to the BBC Trust, in a closed meeting where the complainers had no input. The Trust ruled they were right to use the term due to 'Political Sectarianism'. One of the examples they used in their arguments before the hearing was the 'Political Sectarianism between the Bolsheviks and Mensheviks'. I pointed out that it was 'sectarianism' because they were two sects of a fragmented party. They're a bunch of arseholes.
Your complaint should have been the fact that that BBC were taking instructions for a football club. One of the leaked Charlotte fakeover things proved that the only reason that anything was mentioned that day was because der hun had asked them to do it to deflect from the actual sectarianism going on round Govan way. There was no singing that day of that nature. The letters of the Hun instructions didn't come out until later.
One of their arguments that there was sectarian singing was that person who wrote BOTOB had been arrested before
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15 Mar 2018, 10:07 PM
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Your complaint should have been the fact that that BBC were taking instructions for a football club. One of the leaked Charlotte fakeover things proved that the only reason that anything was mentioned that day was because der hun had asked them to do it to deflect from the actual sectarianism going on round Govan way. There was no singing that day of that nature.
The letters of the Hun instructions didn't come out until later. One of their arguments that there was sectarian singing was that person who wrote BOTOB had been arrested before He wasn't arrested, he was interned
The fix was in before that final, Strathclydes finest actually warned they'd lift people for singing BOTOB a few weeks before it.
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15 Mar 2018, 10:37 PM
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The letters of the Hun instructions didn't come out until later. One of their arguments that there was sectarian singing was that person who wrote BOTOB had been arrested before He wasn't arrested, he was interned The fix was in before that final, Strathclydes finest actually warned they'd lift people for singing BOTOB a few weeks before it. That was my point.
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16 Mar 2018, 01:11 AM
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Chris McGlauchlin actually started his report last night saying..." blah blah blah Sectarianism, blah blah blah reports to the SPL . This one is about fans singing about the IRA...." Yes, but your report is about sectarianism you dickhead.
I was one of the people who complained to the BBC about Rob McLean saying we were singing sectarian songs at the cup final. It went all the way to the BBC Trust, in a closed meeting where the complainers had no input. The Trust ruled they were right to use the term due to 'Political Sectarianism'. One of the examples they used in their arguments before the hearing was the 'Political Sectarianism between the Bolsheviks and Mensheviks'. I pointed out that it was 'sectarianism' because they were two sects of a fragmented party. They're a bunch of arseholes. Strictly speaking it's correct... and I have nothing against sectarianism... in so much as I f**king hate fascists and actually encourage sectarianism in that regard.
But obviously that has nothing to do with the subject in question.
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16 Mar 2018, 01:58 AM
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Would it help if the BBC actually knew the meaning of the word Sectarianism? Someone would have to think of one first. You'd think that be item number one on the to-do list when it comes to doing something about it, wouldn't you? It is telling that the very legislation nominally aimed at "sectarianism" never mentions the word - the need to define it to a legal standard destroys the value it has in obfuscating reality. No one can seriously stand up and offer a reason as to why, say, BOTOB is in the same category as the Famine song, so it's easier to imply it with a vague nonsense word and a reliance on people's historical illiteracy. You can't explicitly make expressions of Irish Republicanism a crime, but you can make hypothetical offence a crime and give the police a licence to interpret the law however they please.
Most folks' understanding of "sectarianism" in Scotland is that it's an alien behaviour the Irish brought with them, and that all the various factions of the Micks are equal-but-opposite mirrors of each other. There is little effort in Scotland to educate people as to their own history, and the history of people they share this country with, where it doesn't square with the relatively new reinvention of Scotland as an ever-more-progressive-than-thou, 'civic' nation.
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16 Mar 2018, 07:55 AM
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This is wonderful We were just lucky on Sunday because if all the things that happened hadn't happened, we'd have lost.
Celtic boss Brendan Rodgers is no managerial mastermind and got lucky against Rangers - Barry Ferguson
Barry isn't convinced last Sunday's 3-2 win was a masterclass from Rodgers everything ran for him.
Spoiler: click to toggle Sometimes it’s better to be lucky than good.
Take last Sunday. A day when Celtic’s manager should have walked straight out of Ibrox along Paisley Road West and into the casino at Springfield Quay to stick a year’s wages on black.
Because absolutely everything was coming up for Brendan Rodgers.
So please, leave me out of this theory that Graeme Murty was being schooled by some sort of managerial mastermind as Rangerslost to 10 men.
That has been the talk amongst a lot of fans who are using this latest derby defeat as proof that Murty is in way over his head his against Rodgers and not up to the job of taking my old club back to the top.
Excuse me, but what have these people been watching? If they can’t see the strides Rangers have made in a very short space of time under Murty then they don’t have a clue what they are talking about.
And to use last Sunday as a stick to hit him over the head with is just a massive over-reaction to another painful result. I sympathise because I’m hurting too. I’ve been a Rangers man long enough to know winning means everything, especially on derby day.
But I’ve watched the game again and keep coming back to the same conclusion – the only real difference between Celtic and Rangers on the day was a massive slice of good fortune.
Yes, Rodgers has taken all the plaudits because of the decisions he made in the second half. And who am I to disagree?
I take my hat off to the guy because, as a manager, he is different class.
When he made the call to take off James Forrest and replace him with a striker, with his side down to 10 men and the game balanced at 2-2, it was incredibly brave and bold management.
But what happened next was also incredibly lucky and he’s fortunate it all went his way because had Rangers won 3-2 it would have been him and not Murty who has spent the last week under fire.
Why did he start with Dedryck Boyata and a back three when this was always going to be the most vulnerable part of his team?
Why then change a midfielder for a striker with the game in the balance?
Rodgers would have had to find answers to some seriously difficult questions but he was spared from that because the gods were smiling on him. Had Sean Goss showed Odsonne Edouard down the outside – as he should have done – then the Celtic sub would have been unlikely to score the winning goal two minutes after coming on to the pitch.
That wasn’t down to Rodgers being a genius, that was down to sheer luck.
Long before that Rangers could have had the game wrapped up when they were by far the superior side.
Had they taken one of their chances to make it 3-1 in the first half then I’m pretty sure Celtic would not have come back from it.
They got another break early in the game when Goss was too inexperienced to realise he had to take one for the team when the ball broke to Tom Rogic seconds before the Australian curled home Celtic’s first goal. Goss should have cleaned him out before he had a chance to line up his shot.
Celtic got lucky again when David Bates had to be carried off right after the Rogic equaliser because the youngster has been Rangers best defender for some time now
I am absolutely certain Bates would not have got on the wrong side of Moussa Dembele seconds before half time the way his replacement Fabio Cardoso did – allowing Celtic to end the half on a huge high.
There was another massive moment at the end of the second half when Alfredo Morelos missed an open goal from two yards out. On any other day he scores to level it up.
I would even go as far as to say Rodgers got lucky again when Jozo Simunovic was sent off because, for as long as the game was 11 v 11, Rangers were the better side.
It was only after that moment Celtic really got to grips with the game and I know from experience how a match can change when one side goes down to 10 men. The decision gave Celtic a shot in the arm and created a siege mentality.
Rangers didn’t react well to it at all.
That was frustrating to watch because they should have been moving the ball quicker and using the whole of the pitch to tire their opponents and open Celtic up. That they failed to do that was another sign of inexperience and, yes, Murty has to take his share of the blame.
But he will learn from it and so will his players.
I agreed with every word he said after the game and I’m a bit surprised that he has retracted some of it. He wasn’t too harsh at all.
Yes, all three of Celtic’s goals could have been avoided. Yes, Rangers could and should have played better after Celtic went down to 10 men.
And yes, these players might just have missed the best ever chance to get one over on their old rivals.
Murty was right on all points but that doesn’t mean that Rangers won’t recover and become stronger for it.
What I see is a work in progress both on the pitch and in the technical area. These are inexperienced players working for an inexperienced manager.
But where Rangers are now compared to where they were under Pedro Caixinha is night and day.
The manager and his players now need to regroup and bounce back quickly. By the time they head to Hampden to face Celtic in the Scottish Cup semi-final on April 15 their tails should be up again.
They should look back on Sunday and learn their lessons.
But most of all, they should realise how far they have come together and how far the gap has been closed.
What I saw was a Rangers side which no longer lives in fear of Celtic. I described the fixture as a boxing match and Sunday showed me Rangers are now confident enough to go toe-to-toe with their old rivals for the first time in a long time.
The fact they were so disappointed on Sunday tells me this is a group of players who will be bursting a gut to put it right at Hampden.
Murty is no longer setting his players up just to survive against Celtic. He’s setting them up to beat them. Next time, with a bit of luck on his side, that’s exactly what might happen.
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16 Mar 2018, 08:00 AM
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- 16 Mar 2018, 07:55 AM
This is wonderful  We were just lucky on Sunday because if all the things that happened hadn't happened, we'd have lost. Celtic boss Brendan Rodgers is no managerial mastermind and got lucky against Rangers - Barry FergusonBarry isn't convinced last Sunday's 3-2 win was a masterclass from Rodgers everything ran for him. Spoiler: click to toggle Sometimes it’s better to be lucky than good.
Take last Sunday. A day when Celtic’s manager should have walked straight out of Ibrox along Paisley Road West and into the casino at Springfield Quay to stick a year’s wages on black.
Because absolutely everything was coming up for Brendan Rodgers.
So please, leave me out of this theory that Graeme Murty was being schooled by some sort of managerial mastermind as Rangerslost to 10 men.
That has been the talk amongst a lot of fans who are using this latest derby defeat as proof that Murty is in way over his head his against Rodgers and not up to the job of taking my old club back to the top.
Excuse me, but what have these people been watching? If they can’t see the strides Rangers have made in a very short space of time under Murty then they don’t have a clue what they are talking about.
And to use last Sunday as a stick to hit him over the head with is just a massive over-reaction to another painful result. I sympathise because I’m hurting too. I’ve been a Rangers man long enough to know winning means everything, especially on derby day.
But I’ve watched the game again and keep coming back to the same conclusion – the only real difference between Celtic and Rangers on the day was a massive slice of good fortune.
Yes, Rodgers has taken all the plaudits because of the decisions he made in the second half. And who am I to disagree?
I take my hat off to the guy because, as a manager, he is different class.
When he made the call to take off James Forrest and replace him with a striker, with his side down to 10 men and the game balanced at 2-2, it was incredibly brave and bold management.
But what happened next was also incredibly lucky and he’s fortunate it all went his way because had Rangers won 3-2 it would have been him and not Murty who has spent the last week under fire.
Why did he start with Dedryck Boyata and a back three when this was always going to be the most vulnerable part of his team?
Why then change a midfielder for a striker with the game in the balance?
Rodgers would have had to find answers to some seriously difficult questions but he was spared from that because the gods were smiling on him. Had Sean Goss showed Odsonne Edouard down the outside – as he should have done – then the Celtic sub would have been unlikely to score the winning goal two minutes after coming on to the pitch.
That wasn’t down to Rodgers being a genius, that was down to sheer luck.
Long before that Rangers could have had the game wrapped up when they were by far the superior side.
Had they taken one of their chances to make it 3-1 in the first half then I’m pretty sure Celtic would not have come back from it.
They got another break early in the game when Goss was too inexperienced to realise he had to take one for the team when the ball broke to Tom Rogic seconds before the Australian curled home Celtic’s first goal. Goss should have cleaned him out before he had a chance to line up his shot.
Celtic got lucky again when David Bates had to be carried off right after the Rogic equaliser because the youngster has been Rangers best defender for some time now
I am absolutely certain Bates would not have got on the wrong side of Moussa Dembele seconds before half time the way his replacement Fabio Cardoso did – allowing Celtic to end the half on a huge high.
There was another massive moment at the end of the second half when Alfredo Morelos missed an open goal from two yards out. On any other day he scores to level it up.
I would even go as far as to say Rodgers got lucky again when Jozo Simunovic was sent off because, for as long as the game was 11 v 11, Rangers were the better side.
It was only after that moment Celtic really got to grips with the game and I know from experience how a match can change when one side goes down to 10 men. The decision gave Celtic a shot in the arm and created a siege mentality.
Rangers didn’t react well to it at all.
That was frustrating to watch because they should have been moving the ball quicker and using the whole of the pitch to tire their opponents and open Celtic up. That they failed to do that was another sign of inexperience and, yes, Murty has to take his share of the blame.
But he will learn from it and so will his players.
I agreed with every word he said after the game and I’m a bit surprised that he has retracted some of it. He wasn’t too harsh at all.
Yes, all three of Celtic’s goals could have been avoided. Yes, Rangers could and should have played better after Celtic went down to 10 men.
And yes, these players might just have missed the best ever chance to get one over on their old rivals.
Murty was right on all points but that doesn’t mean that Rangers won’t recover and become stronger for it.
What I see is a work in progress both on the pitch and in the technical area. These are inexperienced players working for an inexperienced manager.
But where Rangers are now compared to where they were under Pedro Caixinha is night and day.
The manager and his players now need to regroup and bounce back quickly. By the time they head to Hampden to face Celtic in the Scottish Cup semi-final on April 15 their tails should be up again.
They should look back on Sunday and learn their lessons.
But most of all, they should realise how far they have come together and how far the gap has been closed.
What I saw was a Rangers side which no longer lives in fear of Celtic. I described the fixture as a boxing match and Sunday showed me Rangers are now confident enough to go toe-to-toe with their old rivals for the first time in a long time.
The fact they were so disappointed on Sunday tells me this is a group of players who will be bursting a gut to put it right at Hampden.
Murty is no longer setting his players up just to survive against Celtic. He’s setting them up to beat them. Next time, with a bit of luck on his side, that’s exactly what might happen.
That’s fantastic reading
Rodgers got lucky again when Jozo Simunovic was sent off because, for as long as the game was 11 v 11, Rangers were the better side.
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- 16 Mar 2018, 07:55 AM
This is wonderful  We were just lucky on Sunday because if all the things that happened hadn't happened, we'd have lost. Celtic boss Brendan Rodgers is no managerial mastermind and got lucky against Rangers - Barry FergusonBarry isn't convinced last Sunday's 3-2 win was a masterclass from Rodgers everything ran for him. Spoiler: click to toggle Sometimes it’s better to be lucky than good.
Take last Sunday. A day when Celtic’s manager should have walked straight out of Ibrox along Paisley Road West and into the casino at Springfield Quay to stick a year’s wages on black.
Because absolutely everything was coming up for Brendan Rodgers.
So please, leave me out of this theory that Graeme Murty was being schooled by some sort of managerial mastermind as Rangerslost to 10 men.
That has been the talk amongst a lot of fans who are using this latest derby defeat as proof that Murty is in way over his head his against Rodgers and not up to the job of taking my old club back to the top.
Excuse me, but what have these people been watching? If they can’t see the strides Rangers have made in a very short space of time under Murty then they don’t have a clue what they are talking about.
And to use last Sunday as a stick to hit him over the head with is just a massive over-reaction to another painful result. I sympathise because I’m hurting too. I’ve been a Rangers man long enough to know winning means everything, especially on derby day.
But I’ve watched the game again and keep coming back to the same conclusion – the only real difference between Celtic and Rangers on the day was a massive slice of good fortune.
Yes, Rodgers has taken all the plaudits because of the decisions he made in the second half. And who am I to disagree?
I take my hat off to the guy because, as a manager, he is different class.
When he made the call to take off James Forrest and replace him with a striker, with his side down to 10 men and the game balanced at 2-2, it was incredibly brave and bold management.
But what happened next was also incredibly lucky and he’s fortunate it all went his way because had Rangers won 3-2 it would have been him and not Murty who has spent the last week under fire.
Why did he start with Dedryck Boyata and a back three when this was always going to be the most vulnerable part of his team?
Why then change a midfielder for a striker with the game in the balance?
Rodgers would have had to find answers to some seriously difficult questions but he was spared from that because the gods were smiling on him. Had Sean Goss showed Odsonne Edouard down the outside – as he should have done – then the Celtic sub would have been unlikely to score the winning goal two minutes after coming on to the pitch.
That wasn’t down to Rodgers being a genius, that was down to sheer luck.
Long before that Rangers could have had the game wrapped up when they were by far the superior side.
Had they taken one of their chances to make it 3-1 in the first half then I’m pretty sure Celtic would not have come back from it.
They got another break early in the game when Goss was too inexperienced to realise he had to take one for the team when the ball broke to Tom Rogic seconds before the Australian curled home Celtic’s first goal. Goss should have cleaned him out before he had a chance to line up his shot.
Celtic got lucky again when David Bates had to be carried off right after the Rogic equaliser because the youngster has been Rangers best defender for some time now
I am absolutely certain Bates would not have got on the wrong side of Moussa Dembele seconds before half time the way his replacement Fabio Cardoso did – allowing Celtic to end the half on a huge high.
There was another massive moment at the end of the second half when Alfredo Morelos missed an open goal from two yards out. On any other day he scores to level it up.
I would even go as far as to say Rodgers got lucky again when Jozo Simunovic was sent off because, for as long as the game was 11 v 11, Rangers were the better side.
It was only after that moment Celtic really got to grips with the game and I know from experience how a match can change when one side goes down to 10 men. The decision gave Celtic a shot in the arm and created a siege mentality.
Rangers didn’t react well to it at all.
That was frustrating to watch because they should have been moving the ball quicker and using the whole of the pitch to tire their opponents and open Celtic up. That they failed to do that was another sign of inexperience and, yes, Murty has to take his share of the blame.
But he will learn from it and so will his players.
I agreed with every word he said after the game and I’m a bit surprised that he has retracted some of it. He wasn’t too harsh at all.
Yes, all three of Celtic’s goals could have been avoided. Yes, Rangers could and should have played better after Celtic went down to 10 men.
And yes, these players might just have missed the best ever chance to get one over on their old rivals.
Murty was right on all points but that doesn’t mean that Rangers won’t recover and become stronger for it.
What I see is a work in progress both on the pitch and in the technical area. These are inexperienced players working for an inexperienced manager.
But where Rangers are now compared to where they were under Pedro Caixinha is night and day.
The manager and his players now need to regroup and bounce back quickly. By the time they head to Hampden to face Celtic in the Scottish Cup semi-final on April 15 their tails should be up again.
They should look back on Sunday and learn their lessons.
But most of all, they should realise how far they have come together and how far the gap has been closed.
What I saw was a Rangers side which no longer lives in fear of Celtic. I described the fixture as a boxing match and Sunday showed me Rangers are now confident enough to go toe-to-toe with their old rivals for the first time in a long time.
The fact they were so disappointed on Sunday tells me this is a group of players who will be bursting a gut to put it right at Hampden.
Murty is no longer setting his players up just to survive against Celtic. He’s setting them up to beat them. Next time, with a bit of luck on his side, that’s exactly what might happen.
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This is wonderful  We were just lucky on Sunday because if all the things that happened hadn't happened, we'd have lost. Celtic boss Brendan Rodgers is no managerial mastermind and got lucky against Rangers - Barry FergusonBarry isn't convinced last Sunday's 3-2 win was a masterclass from Rodgers everything ran for him. Spoiler: click to toggle Sometimes it’s better to be lucky than good.
Take last Sunday. A day when Celtic’s manager should have walked straight out of Ibrox along Paisley Road West and into the casino at Springfield Quay to stick a year’s wages on black.
Because absolutely everything was coming up for Brendan Rodgers.
So please, leave me out of this theory that Graeme Murty was being schooled by some sort of managerial mastermind as Rangerslost to 10 men.
That has been the talk amongst a lot of fans who are using this latest derby defeat as proof that Murty is in way over his head his against Rodgers and not up to the job of taking my old club back to the top.
Excuse me, but what have these people been watching? If they can’t see the strides Rangers have made in a very short space of time under Murty then they don’t have a clue what they are talking about.
And to use last Sunday as a stick to hit him over the head with is just a massive over-reaction to another painful result. I sympathise because I’m hurting too. I’ve been a Rangers man long enough to know winning means everything, especially on derby day.
But I’ve watched the game again and keep coming back to the same conclusion – the only real difference between Celtic and Rangers on the day was a massive slice of good fortune.
Yes, Rodgers has taken all the plaudits because of the decisions he made in the second half. And who am I to disagree?
I take my hat off to the guy because, as a manager, he is different class.
When he made the call to take off James Forrest and replace him with a striker, with his side down to 10 men and the game balanced at 2-2, it was incredibly brave and bold management.
But what happened next was also incredibly lucky and he’s fortunate it all went his way because had Rangers won 3-2 it would have been him and not Murty who has spent the last week under fire.
Why did he start with Dedryck Boyata and a back three when this was always going to be the most vulnerable part of his team?
Why then change a midfielder for a striker with the game in the balance?
Rodgers would have had to find answers to some seriously difficult questions but he was spared from that because the gods were smiling on him. Had Sean Goss showed Odsonne Edouard down the outside – as he should have done – then the Celtic sub would have been unlikely to score the winning goal two minutes after coming on to the pitch.
That wasn’t down to Rodgers being a genius, that was down to sheer luck.
Long before that Rangers could have had the game wrapped up when they were by far the superior side.
Had they taken one of their chances to make it 3-1 in the first half then I’m pretty sure Celtic would not have come back from it.
They got another break early in the game when Goss was too inexperienced to realise he had to take one for the team when the ball broke to Tom Rogic seconds before the Australian curled home Celtic’s first goal. Goss should have cleaned him out before he had a chance to line up his shot.
Celtic got lucky again when David Bates had to be carried off right after the Rogic equaliser because the youngster has been Rangers best defender for some time now
I am absolutely certain Bates would not have got on the wrong side of Moussa Dembele seconds before half time the way his replacement Fabio Cardoso did – allowing Celtic to end the half on a huge high.
There was another massive moment at the end of the second half when Alfredo Morelos missed an open goal from two yards out. On any other day he scores to level it up.
I would even go as far as to say Rodgers got lucky again when Jozo Simunovic was sent off because, for as long as the game was 11 v 11, Rangers were the better side.
It was only after that moment Celtic really got to grips with the game and I know from experience how a match can change when one side goes down to 10 men. The decision gave Celtic a shot in the arm and created a siege mentality.
Rangers didn’t react well to it at all.
That was frustrating to watch because they should have been moving the ball quicker and using the whole of the pitch to tire their opponents and open Celtic up. That they failed to do that was another sign of inexperience and, yes, Murty has to take his share of the blame.
But he will learn from it and so will his players.
I agreed with every word he said after the game and I’m a bit surprised that he has retracted some of it. He wasn’t too harsh at all.
Yes, all three of Celtic’s goals could have been avoided. Yes, Rangers could and should have played better after Celtic went down to 10 men.
And yes, these players might just have missed the best ever chance to get one over on their old rivals.
Murty was right on all points but that doesn’t mean that Rangers won’t recover and become stronger for it.
What I see is a work in progress both on the pitch and in the technical area. These are inexperienced players working for an inexperienced manager.
But where Rangers are now compared to where they were under Pedro Caixinha is night and day.
The manager and his players now need to regroup and bounce back quickly. By the time they head to Hampden to face Celtic in the Scottish Cup semi-final on April 15 their tails should be up again.
They should look back on Sunday and learn their lessons.
But most of all, they should realise how far they have come together and how far the gap has been closed.
What I saw was a Rangers side which no longer lives in fear of Celtic. I described the fixture as a boxing match and Sunday showed me Rangers are now confident enough to go toe-to-toe with their old rivals for the first time in a long time.
The fact they were so disappointed on Sunday tells me this is a group of players who will be bursting a gut to put it right at Hampden.
Murty is no longer setting his players up just to survive against Celtic. He’s setting them up to beat them. Next time, with a bit of luck on his side, that’s exactly what might happen.
Always good to get expert tactical analysis from the failed manager of Clyde.
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16 Mar 2018, 08:46 AM
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This is wonderful  We were just lucky on Sunday because if all the things that happened hadn't happened, we'd have lost. Celtic boss Brendan Rodgers is no managerial mastermind and got lucky against Rangers - Barry FergusonBarry isn't convinced last Sunday's 3-2 win was a masterclass from Rodgers everything ran for him. Spoiler: click to toggle Sometimes it’s better to be lucky than good.
Take last Sunday. A day when Celtic’s manager should have walked straight out of Ibrox along Paisley Road West and into the casino at Springfield Quay to stick a year’s wages on black.
Because absolutely everything was coming up for Brendan Rodgers.
So please, leave me out of this theory that Graeme Murty was being schooled by some sort of managerial mastermind as Rangerslost to 10 men.
That has been the talk amongst a lot of fans who are using this latest derby defeat as proof that Murty is in way over his head his against Rodgers and not up to the job of taking my old club back to the top.
Excuse me, but what have these people been watching? If they can’t see the strides Rangers have made in a very short space of time under Murty then they don’t have a clue what they are talking about.
And to use last Sunday as a stick to hit him over the head with is just a massive over-reaction to another painful result. I sympathise because I’m hurting too. I’ve been a Rangers man long enough to know winning means everything, especially on derby day.
But I’ve watched the game again and keep coming back to the same conclusion – the only real difference between Celtic and Rangers on the day was a massive slice of good fortune.
Yes, Rodgers has taken all the plaudits because of the decisions he made in the second half. And who am I to disagree?
I take my hat off to the guy because, as a manager, he is different class.
When he made the call to take off James Forrest and replace him with a striker, with his side down to 10 men and the game balanced at 2-2, it was incredibly brave and bold management.
But what happened next was also incredibly lucky and he’s fortunate it all went his way because had Rangers won 3-2 it would have been him and not Murty who has spent the last week under fire.
Why did he start with Dedryck Boyata and a back three when this was always going to be the most vulnerable part of his team?
Why then change a midfielder for a striker with the game in the balance?
Rodgers would have had to find answers to some seriously difficult questions but he was spared from that because the gods were smiling on him. Had Sean Goss showed Odsonne Edouard down the outside – as he should have done – then the Celtic sub would have been unlikely to score the winning goal two minutes after coming on to the pitch.
That wasn’t down to Rodgers being a genius, that was down to sheer luck.
Long before that Rangers could have had the game wrapped up when they were by far the superior side.
Had they taken one of their chances to make it 3-1 in the first half then I’m pretty sure Celtic would not have come back from it.
They got another break early in the game when Goss was too inexperienced to realise he had to take one for the team when the ball broke to Tom Rogic seconds before the Australian curled home Celtic’s first goal. Goss should have cleaned him out before he had a chance to line up his shot.
Celtic got lucky again when David Bates had to be carried off right after the Rogic equaliser because the youngster has been Rangers best defender for some time now
I am absolutely certain Bates would not have got on the wrong side of Moussa Dembele seconds before half time the way his replacement Fabio Cardoso did – allowing Celtic to end the half on a huge high.
There was another massive moment at the end of the second half when Alfredo Morelos missed an open goal from two yards out. On any other day he scores to level it up.
I would even go as far as to say Rodgers got lucky again when Jozo Simunovic was sent off because, for as long as the game was 11 v 11, Rangers were the better side.
It was only after that moment Celtic really got to grips with the game and I know from experience how a match can change when one side goes down to 10 men. The decision gave Celtic a shot in the arm and created a siege mentality.
Rangers didn’t react well to it at all.
That was frustrating to watch because they should have been moving the ball quicker and using the whole of the pitch to tire their opponents and open Celtic up. That they failed to do that was another sign of inexperience and, yes, Murty has to take his share of the blame.
But he will learn from it and so will his players.
I agreed with every word he said after the game and I’m a bit surprised that he has retracted some of it. He wasn’t too harsh at all.
Yes, all three of Celtic’s goals could have been avoided. Yes, Rangers could and should have played better after Celtic went down to 10 men.
And yes, these players might just have missed the best ever chance to get one over on their old rivals.
Murty was right on all points but that doesn’t mean that Rangers won’t recover and become stronger for it.
What I see is a work in progress both on the pitch and in the technical area. These are inexperienced players working for an inexperienced manager.
But where Rangers are now compared to where they were under Pedro Caixinha is night and day.
The manager and his players now need to regroup and bounce back quickly. By the time they head to Hampden to face Celtic in the Scottish Cup semi-final on April 15 their tails should be up again.
They should look back on Sunday and learn their lessons.
But most of all, they should realise how far they have come together and how far the gap has been closed.
What I saw was a Rangers side which no longer lives in fear of Celtic. I described the fixture as a boxing match and Sunday showed me Rangers are now confident enough to go toe-to-toe with their old rivals for the first time in a long time.
The fact they were so disappointed on Sunday tells me this is a group of players who will be bursting a gut to put it right at Hampden.
Murty is no longer setting his players up just to survive against Celtic. He’s setting them up to beat them. Next time, with a bit of luck on his side, that’s exactly what might happen.
Always good to get expert tactical analysis from the failed manager of Clyde. He was just unlucky.
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