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I notice that the some shots at the record are now called by the digital transition director- he personally handled the sacking and fallout of one of their sevco bloggers- so good luck to them next year where they will drop under 150,000.
The Record's already under 150,000.

Circulation Figures for September 2017
Amazing figures, I know barely anything about paper circulation history but I recall seeing the Record on its front page in the 80s used to say how many copies they sold and it was something like 800,000 which always impressed me
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7 Nov 2017, 07:34 AM
Doesn't mark Daly start of his piece about the paradise papers by saying there are hundreds of well known SCOTS named in these papers.
He then goes after a Irishman over a million pounds over 3 years owed ( if proved) to the Swiss government. Nothing to do with Scotland but trying to show Celtic in a bad light.
Exactly. There surely must have been some Tory mps/msp's that would be far more relevant. Ffs the Queen should be the headline news here not an Irishman with shares in Celtic.
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Is it OK to think that Desmond is an arsehole for dodging tax, even if it isn’t in the UK?

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Yes, I’m posting from one.

What global mega corporation should I go to to get my phone?

This is a governmental issue mainly but it doesn’t mean that you cant despise the folk who are brazenly fiddling the system, whether it falls just on the correct side of the line or not

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I don't know - you're the one who seems to have an issue with those who "dodge" tax.

I have to laugh at the "brazenly fiddling the system" comment. Your concern for the swiss tax system is admirable though.
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Most people don't have accountants telling them that they can be better off by paying less tax, legally (which means more income for the accountant at the end of the day, not because they are concerned that you are paying too much tax). And it's most people that are negatively affected by withheld revenue.

I imagine that most people who are offered the opportunity to pay less tax (and in some cases little or no tax) don't regard the question as the same as being asked "This money that you're getting out from the economy, how would you like it so that public services received less money, the health system gets squeezed even tighter, while we still have to pay for Trident and society in general is gradually, inevitably less well prepared in its ability to cope with changes, but legally?"
Edited by Martoto, 7 Nov 2017, 12:28 PM.
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7 Nov 2017, 07:34 AM
Doesn't mark Daly start of his piece about the paradise papers by saying there are hundreds of well known SCOTS named in these papers.
He then goes after a Irishman over a million pounds over 3 years owed ( if proved) to the Swiss government. Nothing to do with Scotland but trying to show Celtic in a bad light.
Exactly. There surely must have been some Tory mps/msp's that would be far more relevant. Ffs the Queen should be the headline news here not an Irishman with shares in Celtic.
If DD has been aggressively avoiding tax in the UK, Ireland or any other jurisdiction then he deserves criticism for it - end of.

The "but why him and not...." argument is irrelevant - if you applied that logic across the board then nobody would ever be investigated or exposed.

There are all sorts or rich people and corporations named in the Panama Papers - some will come to public attention quicker than others not because they are the worst offenders, but simply because there is a journo who has an angle on the story. Mark Daly has a journalistic interest in the financial affairs of Scottish fitba, so of course he's going to publish a story of DD's tax affairs when he has information presented to him .

Maybe other figures in our game will come to light in due course, or maybe DD is the only one mentioned in this particular release of information. Either way, it's him in the spotlight for now and he's due the same scrutiny in the court of public opinion as any other billionaire accused of avoiding paying his fair share of tax by legal or illegal means.
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7 Nov 2017, 07:34 AM
Doesn't mark Daly start of his piece about the paradise papers by saying there are hundreds of well known SCOTS named in these papers.
He then goes after a Irishman over a million pounds over 3 years owed ( if proved) to the Swiss government. Nothing to do with Scotland but trying to show Celtic in a bad light.
Exactly. There surely must have been some Tory mps/msp's that would be far more relevant. Ffs the Queen should be the headline news here not an Irishman with shares in Celtic.
If DD has been aggressively avoiding tax in the UK, Ireland or any other jurisdiction then he deserves criticism for it - end of.

The "but why him and not...." argument is irrelevant - if you applied that logic across the board then nobody would ever be investigated or exposed.

There are all sorts or rich people and corporations named in the Panama Papers - some will come to public attention quicker than others not because they are the worst offenders, but simply because there is a journo who has an angle on the story. Mark Daly has a journalistic interest in the financial affairs of Scottish fitba, so of course he's going to publish a story of DD's tax affairs when he has information presented to him .

Maybe other figures in our game will come to light in due course, or maybe DD is the only one mentioned in this particular release of information. Either way, it's him in the spotlight for now and he's due the same scrutiny in the court of public opinion as any other billionaire accused of avoiding paying his fair share of tax by legal or illegal means.
Fine, but when Daly's employers openly display/employ tax evaders and he doesn't doorstep them it is hypocracy surely ?
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7 Nov 2017, 07:34 AM
Doesn't mark Daly start of his piece about the paradise papers by saying there are hundreds of well known SCOTS named in these papers.
He then goes after a Irishman over a million pounds over 3 years owed ( if proved) to the Swiss government. Nothing to do with Scotland but trying to show Celtic in a bad light.
Exactly. There surely must have been some Tory mps/msp's that would be far more relevant. Ffs the Queen should be the headline news here not an Irishman with shares in Celtic.
If DD has been aggressively avoiding tax in the UK, Ireland or any other jurisdiction then he deserves criticism for it - end of.

The "but why him and not...." argument is irrelevant - if you applied that logic across the board then nobody would ever be investigated or exposed.

There are all sorts or rich people and corporations named in the Panama Papers - some will come to public attention quicker than others not because they are the worst offenders, but simply because there is a journo who has an angle on the story. Mark Daly has a journalistic interest in the financial affairs of Scottish fitba, so of course he's going to publish a story of DD's tax affairs when he has information presented to him .

Maybe other figures in our game will come to light in due course, or maybe DD is the only one mentioned in this particular release of information. Either way, it's him in the spotlight for now and he's due the same scrutiny in the court of public opinion as any other billionaire accused of avoiding paying his fair share of tax by legal or illegal means.
But what DD has done is totally legal - Immoral but totally legal so to hit the front pages with this is laughable and transparent.
Edited by baldecrunch, 7 Nov 2017, 01:28 PM.
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7 Nov 2017, 11:58 AM

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If DD has been aggressively avoiding tax in the UK, Ireland or any other jurisdiction then he deserves criticism for it - end of.

The "but why him and not...." argument is irrelevant - if you applied that logic across the board then nobody would ever be investigated or exposed.

There are all sorts or rich people and corporations named in the Panama Papers - some will come to public attention quicker than others not because they are the worst offenders, but simply because there is a journo who has an angle on the story. Mark Daly has a journalistic interest in the financial affairs of Scottish fitba, so of course he's going to publish a story of DD's tax affairs when he has information presented to him .

Maybe other figures in our game will come to light in due course, or maybe DD is the only one mentioned in this particular release of information. Either way, it's him in the spotlight for now and he's due the same scrutiny in the court of public opinion as any other billionaire accused of avoiding paying his fair share of tax by legal or illegal means.
But what DD has done is totally legal - Immoral but totally legal so to hit the front pages with this is laughable and transparent.
And what the Queen did was totally legal as well - should her tax avoidance not have hit the front pages? Or Cameron's family offshore stash previously revealed in the Panama Papers

... most of these individuals and corporations using tax havens are operating (just) within the letter of the law but are exploiting loopholes and weaknesses in the law to keep their money away from the tax man - in the current climate of austerity people have a right to see what these individuals and corporations are doing to avoid tax and make their judgement on whether it is acceptable even if it is legal.

Dermot Desmond is a billionaire with plenty of highly paid lawyers to defend him....so forgive me if I'm not losing any sleep over him being in the firing line over his tax affairs. Based on the little I know of him I doubt if he'll be losing much sleep over it himself!
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john67
7 Nov 2017, 07:34 AM
Doesn't mark Daly start of his piece about the paradise papers by saying there are hundreds of well known SCOTS named in these papers.
He then goes after a Irishman over a million pounds over 3 years owed ( if proved) to the Swiss government. Nothing to do with Scotland but trying to show Celtic in a bad light.
Exactly. There surely must have been some Tory mps/msp's that would be far more relevant. Ffs the Queen should be the headline news here not an Irishman with shares in Celtic.
If DD has been aggressively avoiding tax in the UK, Ireland or any other jurisdiction then he deserves criticism for it - end of.

The "but why him and not...." argument is irrelevant - if you applied that logic across the board then nobody would ever be investigated or exposed.

There are all sorts or rich people and corporations named in the Panama Papers - some will come to public attention quicker than others not because they are the worst offenders, but simply because there is a journo who has an angle on the story. Mark Daly has a journalistic interest in the financial affairs of Scottish fitba, so of course he's going to publish a story of DD's tax affairs when he has information presented to him .

Maybe other figures in our game will come to light in due course, or maybe DD is the only one mentioned in this particular release of information. Either way, it's him in the spotlight for now and he's due the same scrutiny in the court of public opinion as any other billionaire accused of avoiding paying his fair share of tax by legal or illegal means.
It has feck all do to with Scottish news and that was my point. The Queen or any other Scot immoraly evading British tax should be.
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7 Nov 2017, 11:58 AM
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7 Nov 2017, 07:34 AM
Doesn't mark Daly start of his piece about the paradise papers by saying there are hundreds of well known SCOTS named in these papers.
He then goes after a Irishman over a million pounds over 3 years owed ( if proved) to the Swiss government. Nothing to do with Scotland but trying to show Celtic in a bad light.
Exactly. There surely must have been some Tory mps/msp's that would be far more relevant. Ffs the Queen should be the headline news here not an Irishman with shares in Celtic.
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Talk about the definition of disingenuous :lol:
Edited by georgiesleftpeg, 7 Nov 2017, 01:52 PM.
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lenobhoy
7 Nov 2017, 11:58 AM
john67
7 Nov 2017, 07:34 AM
Doesn't mark Daly start of his piece about the paradise papers by saying there are hundreds of well known SCOTS named in these papers.
He then goes after a Irishman over a million pounds over 3 years owed ( if proved) to the Swiss government. Nothing to do with Scotland but trying to show Celtic in a bad light.
Exactly. There surely must have been some Tory mps/msp's that would be far more relevant. Ffs the Queen should be the headline news here not an Irishman with shares in Celtic.
If DD has been aggressively avoiding tax in the UK, Ireland or any other jurisdiction then he deserves criticism for it - end of.

The "but why him and not...." argument is irrelevant - if you applied that logic across the board then nobody would ever be investigated or exposed.

There are all sorts or rich people and corporations named in the Panama Papers - some will come to public attention quicker than others not because they are the worst offenders, but simply because there is a journo who has an angle on the story. Mark Daly has a journalistic interest in the financial affairs of Scottish fitba, so of course he's going to publish a story of DD's tax affairs when he has information presented to him .

Maybe other figures in our game will come to light in due course, or maybe DD is the only one mentioned in this particular release of information. Either way, it's him in the spotlight for now and he's due the same scrutiny in the court of public opinion as any other billionaire accused of avoiding paying his fair share of tax by legal or illegal means.
how does someone "aggressively" avoid tax? :ponder: ;)
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7 Nov 2017, 11:58 AM

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If DD has been aggressively avoiding tax in the UK, Ireland or any other jurisdiction then he deserves criticism for it - end of.

The "but why him and not...." argument is irrelevant - if you applied that logic across the board then nobody would ever be investigated or exposed.

There are all sorts or rich people and corporations named in the Panama Papers - some will come to public attention quicker than others not because they are the worst offenders, but simply because there is a journo who has an angle on the story. Mark Daly has a journalistic interest in the financial affairs of Scottish fitba, so of course he's going to publish a story of DD's tax affairs when he has information presented to him .

Maybe other figures in our game will come to light in due course, or maybe DD is the only one mentioned in this particular release of information. Either way, it's him in the spotlight for now and he's due the same scrutiny in the court of public opinion as any other billionaire accused of avoiding paying his fair share of tax by legal or illegal means.
how does someone "aggressively" avoid tax? :ponder: ;)
Eff off, Hector :arrr:
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7 Nov 2017, 11:58 AM

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If DD has been aggressively avoiding tax in the UK, Ireland or any other jurisdiction then he deserves criticism for it - end of.

The "but why him and not...." argument is irrelevant - if you applied that logic across the board then nobody would ever be investigated or exposed.

There are all sorts or rich people and corporations named in the Panama Papers - some will come to public attention quicker than others not because they are the worst offenders, but simply because there is a journo who has an angle on the story. Mark Daly has a journalistic interest in the financial affairs of Scottish fitba, so of course he's going to publish a story of DD's tax affairs when he has information presented to him .

Maybe other figures in our game will come to light in due course, or maybe DD is the only one mentioned in this particular release of information. Either way, it's him in the spotlight for now and he's due the same scrutiny in the court of public opinion as any other billionaire accused of avoiding paying his fair share of tax by legal or illegal means.
how does someone "aggressively" avoid tax? :ponder: ;)
By using avoidance schemes that are stretching the law a bit. These are the ones that HMRC are going after to try to get them 'reclassified' from avoidance to evasion - think EBTs.

Non-aggressive tax avoidance is stuff like using trusts to take assets out of your estate for inheritance tax purposes.
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7 Nov 2017, 11:58 AM

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If DD has been aggressively avoiding tax in the UK, Ireland or any other jurisdiction then he deserves criticism for it - end of.

The "but why him and not...." argument is irrelevant - if you applied that logic across the board then nobody would ever be investigated or exposed.

There are all sorts or rich people and corporations named in the Panama Papers - some will come to public attention quicker than others not because they are the worst offenders, but simply because there is a journo who has an angle on the story. Mark Daly has a journalistic interest in the financial affairs of Scottish fitba, so of course he's going to publish a story of DD's tax affairs when he has information presented to him .

Maybe other figures in our game will come to light in due course, or maybe DD is the only one mentioned in this particular release of information. Either way, it's him in the spotlight for now and he's due the same scrutiny in the court of public opinion as any other billionaire accused of avoiding paying his fair share of tax by legal or illegal means.
how does someone "aggressively" avoid tax? :ponder: ;)
You keep a shoe box with every receipt you get and claim it back where possible ! :suspect:
Vat Man -Tax Man- they're same as John Greig - Bastards everyone ! :ph43r: :lol:

Here's today's aggressive tax tip if you are married or a civil partner - use some of their tax allowance !
https://www.gov.uk/marriage-allowance
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7 Nov 2017, 07:34 AM
Doesn't mark Daly start of his piece about the paradise papers by saying there are hundreds of well known SCOTS named in these papers.
He then goes after a Irishman over a million pounds over 3 years owed ( if proved) to the Swiss government. Nothing to do with Scotland but trying to show Celtic in a bad light.
Exactly. There surely must have been some Tory mps/msp's that would be far more relevant. Ffs the Queen should be the headline news here not an Irishman with shares in Celtic.
If DD has been aggressively avoiding tax in the UK, Ireland or any other jurisdiction then he deserves criticism for it - end of.

The "but why him and not...." argument is irrelevant - if you applied that logic across the board then nobody would ever be investigated or exposed.

There are all sorts or rich people and corporations named in the Panama Papers - some will come to public attention quicker than others not because they are the worst offenders, but simply because there is a journo who has an angle on the story. Mark Daly has a journalistic interest in the financial affairs of Scottish fitba, so of course he's going to publish a story of DD's tax affairs when he has information presented to him .

Maybe other figures in our game will come to light in due course, or maybe DD is the only one mentioned in this particular release of information. Either way, it's him in the spotlight for now and he's due the same scrutiny in the court of public opinion as any other billionaire accused of avoiding paying his fair share of tax by legal or illegal means.
Point i was making was there is agenda here because someone related to Celtic then its front page news - DD avoided a couple of million by using this scheme - There is someone on that list who has over 200 million in the off shore accounts and he hasnt received anywhere the treatment Daly has applied to DD.

The way I see its going in the tabloids after the hmrc/huns scandal is if theres anything remotely similar to that case then they hold up high so everyone notices - when in actual fact the 2 cased are completely different.
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If DD has been aggressively avoiding tax in the UK, Ireland or any other jurisdiction then he deserves criticism for it - end of.

The "but why him and not...." argument is irrelevant - if you applied that logic across the board then nobody would ever be investigated or exposed.

There are all sorts or rich people and corporations named in the Panama Papers - some will come to public attention quicker than others not because they are the worst offenders, but simply because there is a journo who has an angle on the story. Mark Daly has a journalistic interest in the financial affairs of Scottish fitba, so of course he's going to publish a story of DD's tax affairs when he has information presented to him .

Maybe other figures in our game will come to light in due course, or maybe DD is the only one mentioned in this particular release of information. Either way, it's him in the spotlight for now and he's due the same scrutiny in the court of public opinion as any other billionaire accused of avoiding paying his fair share of tax by legal or illegal means.
Fine, but when Daly's employers openly display/employ tax evaders and he doesn't doorstep them it is hypocracy surely ?
Surely it was Daly who first exposed and named them in 'The Men Who Sold the Jerseys'?
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Fine, but when Daly's employers openly display/employ tax evaders and he doesn't doorstep them it is hypocracy surely ?
Surely it was Daly who first exposed and named them in 'The Men Who Sold the Jerseys'?
No he didnt-the list of EBT recipients was widely known
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Fine, but when Daly's employers openly display/employ tax evaders and he doesn't doorstep them it is hypocracy surely ?
Surely it was Daly who first exposed and named them in 'The Men Who Sold the Jerseys'?
Aye, he was lauded as a fearless investigative journalist then....but he's one of Jabba's puppets now that he's mentioned the tax affairs of one of ours.

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im more surprised that a man worth multiple billions bothered with a 'scheme' legal or not to save only 1 million over 3 years. If he was trying to avoid paying tax surely it would be for bigger amounts over shorter periods. IT just doesn't seem worth the hassle for him to have tried to save such a small amount (by comparison to his own wealth).
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Fine, but when Daly's employers openly display/employ tax evaders and he doesn't doorstep them it is hypocracy surely ?
Surely it was Daly who first exposed and named them in 'The Men Who Sold the Jerseys'?
In the mainstream media, yes.
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