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The Media
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Let me get this right, a non UK Citizen allegedly, and legally, avoids Swiss Aviation Tax?

THAT’s the headline story?

Let’s be clear, there is one reason and one reason only why they’ve run with that - his Celtic connection.
That’s like a royalist arguing that the only reason the queen has been dragged into this is because of her royal connections! Of course a Scottish news programme is going to be interested in the goings-on of the largest club in Scotland’s leading shareholder.
Over the course of 2012-13, I had numerous discussions with two journalists and a senior commissioning producer at the BBC regarding the Rangers charity theft. Despite providing them with all written evidence (some of which I couldn't even make public as it would have betrayed sources) that proved beyond doubt how nearly £500k was illegally diverted from the Rangers charity to Rangers and Sevco, they decided against proceeding with the proposed documentary. The reasons given were that a senior manager at BBC Scotland had threatened to leak their names in advance and the subsequent threats, harassment and intimidation would simply not be worth it. One of those journalists was a certain Mr Daly.

We all know about Charlotte Fakes, Minty, etc as do the BBC, The Guardian and just about every investigative journalist in the UK. And then there is GASL - a convicted tax cheat. How have these issues been investigated?...

Let's remind ourselves that Murray et al stole c£28 from every single person in Scotland when Rangers went bust. To which we can add the c£0.6bn he cost us all when the parent company went bust (although he managed to walk away with the crown jewels from that for a pittance). But the BBC now see fit to lead their news with a story about an Irish billionaire who "may have avoided £1m" in Swiss taxes???

This is exactly like the Desmond care home story - a bigoted squirrel.




There is one reason and one reason alone why the BBC
Thanks for posting this Corsica. Highlights the threatening bigotry which still exists within the SMSM perfectly. :thumbsup:
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Doesn't mark Daly start of his piece about the paradise papers by saying there are hundreds of well known SCOTS named in these papers.
He then goes after a Irishman over a million pounds over 3 years owed ( if proved) to the Swiss government. Nothing to do with Scotland but trying to show Celtic in a bad light.
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DD could learn a lot from Griff.

" excuse me Mr Desmond , Mark Daly BBC , can i ask you a few questions about a company you...."

" yer club's deid mate , beat it"
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The most concerning part of this business with Mark Daly & Dermot Desmond is the letterhead on the latter's response :rubeyes:
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Tax avoidance is morally wrong. Evasion is illegal. We can all agree those two points

Ask yourself this. Which buisnessman associated with Scottish sport has been involved in tax evasion on a grand scale, used that tax money to gain an illegal sporting advantage and helped liquidate one of Scottish footballs biggest clubs.

There's your Mark Daly programme, your BBC sportsound special.

Happy to use the paradise papers but the SMSM ran from the Charlotte Fakes stuff.

Can you imagine the coverage if Celtic had a convicted tax criminal in charge??
These hypocrites are not remotely interested in tax avoidance, merely trying to find any eY of shoehorning Celtic and tax into a headline.

I hope DD sees now the absolute complicity of the Scottish media in covering up the whole Sevco/Old Huns saga. Perhaps it might give him some impetus to get those titles stripped
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Won't touch the offshore game report either.

Can't wait for the follow up with Barry Ferguson, souness and klos etc
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Good story I the DR about our academy.

Celtic’s stunning academy stats down to one man and that’s Tommy Burns
The champions have produced more players from their academy than any other club in the country with 18 featuring in the Champions League over a 15-year period.
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Dermot Desmond's letter to Mark Daly, copied to high BBC heid yins

:rubeyes:

All this for £1m.

Unfortunately, the BBC investigative team are less concerned about investigating Murray's £1billion, Rangers (RIP)'s £100m tax evasion and Sevco's tax evading criminal chairman
Are you a Rangers supporter? :lol: :lol:
In other words, DD is saying only someone that thick and deluded would try and tarnish his reputation on national tv :rubeyes:
Can't wait for the fallout from this :notmissingthis:



Or, in other words, Desmond playing to the lowest common denominator.

A dark art in which a carpetbagger like him, is no doubt adept.

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Over the course of 2012-13, I had numerous discussions with two journalists and a senior commissioning producer at the BBC regarding the Rangers charity theft. Despite providing them with all written evidence (some of which I couldn't even make public as it would have betrayed sources) that proved beyond doubt how nearly £500k was illegally diverted from the Rangers charity to Rangers and Sevco, they decided against proceeding with the proposed documentary. The reasons given were that a senior manager at BBC Scotland had threatened to leak their names in advance and the subsequent threats, harassment and intimidation would simply not be worth it. One of those journalists was a certain Mr Daly.

We all know about Charlotte Fakes, Minty, etc as do the BBC, The Guardian and just about every investigative journalist in the UK. And then there is GASL - a convicted tax cheat. How have these issues been investigated?...

Let's remind ourselves that Murray et al stole c£28 from every single person in Scotland when Rangers went bust. To which we can add the c£0.6bn he cost us all when the parent company went bust (although he managed to walk away with the crown jewels from that for a pittance). But the BBC now see fit to lead their news with a story about an Irish billionaire who "may have avoided £1m" in Swiss taxes???

This is exactly like the Desmond care home story - a bigoted squirrel.




There is one reason and one reason alone why the BBC
Thanks for posting this Corsica. Highlights the threatening bigotry which still exists within the SMSM perfectly. :thumbsup:
It also highlights the lack of HR governance at the BBC that employees and contractors have no recourse to bullying threats from senior management.
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Some amount of disingenuous and hypocritical claptrap on this thread. There is not a poster on KDS who would not look to minimise his tax liability by lawful means, and more than a few, I'm sure, who would be delighted to do so illegally could they afford to. Indeed, there's a whole profession geared to helping its clients legally do exactly that -- it's called accountancy, you may have heard of it.

So what is this story? Thousands of businessmen and businesses from all over the world have been caught doing what we would all love to be able to do but BBC Scotland decides to concentrate on an Irish billionaire who might have legally avoided paying £1m tax to that bastion of fiscal probity, Switzerland! And, though I haven't seen the programme, apparently three Irish actors earning relative buttons. What an absolute joke. Are there no Scots mentioned in the Paradise Papers? Or, as Phil claims, is anti-Irish racism still so deeply entrenched in the Scottish psyche that all rational judgment goes out the window?

This is a smear aimed at Celtic FC, a vulgar and transparently obvious attempt to draw an equivalence between Celtic and the rancid, criminal bastards on the other side of Glasgow. There is absolutely no justification for picking on Dermot Desmond, a man of whom I've been critical in the past, on this issue -- he does not own Celtic but is merely a shareholder, Celtic have not been mentioned in the Paradise Papers, Celtic are not accused, and BBC itself pathetically admits at the end that DD has done nothing illegal. It's a totally unjustified throwing of mud at the direction of the club, hoping some of it sticks.

It's not whataboutery to ask why BBC Scotland has assiduously avoided mentioning the criminal background of Dave King -- who, unlike Desmond, has been convicted in court -- and the utter roguery of David Murray, who, unlike DD, has actually defrauded Scotland's taxpayers of hundreds of millions. And still no mention of The Offshore Game. No, Scotland has bigger fish to fry -- those depressingly successful Fenian bastards. GIRFUY!

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DD could learn a lot from Griff.

" excuse me Mr Desmond , Mark Daly BBC , can i ask you a few questions about a company you...."

" yer club's deid mate , beat it"

<blockquote class="twitter-video" data-lang="en"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AreYouARangersSupporter?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AreYouARangersSupporter</a> <a href="https://t.co/Y4OhJ43l8i">pic.twitter.com/Y4OhJ43l8i</a></p>— Arsène Parçelie (@Arsene_Parcelie) <a href="https://twitter.com/Arsene_Parcelie/status/927823041580748800?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 7, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Some amount of disingenuous and hypocritical claptrap on this thread. There is not a poster on KDS who would not look to minimise his tax liability by lawful means, and more than a few, I'm sure, who would be delighted to do so illegally could they afford to. Indeed, there's a whole profession geared to helping its clients legally do exactly that -- it's called accountancy, you may have heard of it.

So what is this story? Thousands of businessmen and businesses from all over the world have been caught doing what we would all love to be able to do but BBC Scotland decides to concentrate on an Irish billionaire who might have legally avoided paying £1m tax to that bastion of fiscal probity, Switzerland! And, though I haven't seen the programme, apparently three Irish actors earning relative buttons. What an absolute joke. Are there no Scots mentioned in the Paradise Papers? Or, as Phil claims, is anti-Irish racism still so deeply entrenched in the Scottish psyche that all rational judgment goes out the window?

This is a smear aimed at Celtic FC, a vulgar and transparently obvious attempt to draw an equivalence between Celtic and the rancid, criminal bastards on the other side of Glasgow. There is absolutely no justification for picking on Dermot Desmond, a man of whom I've been critical in the past, on this issue -- he does not own Celtic but is merely a shareholder, Celtic have not been mentioned in the Paradise Papers, Celtic are not accused, and BBC itself pathetically admits at the end that DD has done nothing illegal. It's a totally unjustified throwing of mud at the direction of the club, hoping some of it sticks.

It's not whataboutery to ask why BBC Scotland has assiduously avoided mentioning the criminal background of Dave King -- who, unlike Desmond, has been convicted in court -- and the utter roguery of David Murray, who, unlike DD, has actually defrauded Scotland's taxpayers of hundreds of millions. And still no mention of The Offshore Game. No, Scotland has bigger fish to fry -- those depressingly successful Fenian bastards. GIRFUY!

:thumbsup: in a nutshell Torq.
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Some amount of disingenuous and hypocritical claptrap on this thread. There is not a poster on KDS who would not look to minimise his tax liability by lawful means, and more than a few, I'm sure, who would be delighted to do so illegally could they afford to. Indeed, there's a whole profession geared to helping its clients legally do exactly that -- it's called accountancy, you may have heard of it.

So what is this story? Thousands of businessmen and businesses from all over the world have been caught doing what we would all love to be able to do but BBC Scotland decides to concentrate on an Irish billionaire who might have legally avoided paying £1m tax to that bastion of fiscal probity, Switzerland! And, though I haven't seen the programme, apparently three Irish actors earning relative buttons. What an absolute joke. Are there no Scots mentioned in the Paradise Papers? Or, as Phil claims, is anti-Irish racism still so deeply entrenched in the Scottish psyche that all rational judgment goes out the window?

This is a smear aimed at Celtic FC, a vulgar and transparently obvious attempt to draw an equivalence between Celtic and the rancid, criminal bastards on the other side of Glasgow. There is absolutely no justification for picking on Dermot Desmond, a man of whom I've been critical in the past, on this issue -- he does not own Celtic but is merely a shareholder, Celtic have not been mentioned in the Paradise Papers, Celtic are not accused, and BBC itself pathetically admits at the end that DD has done nothing illegal. It's a totally unjustified throwing of mud at the direction of the club, hoping some of it sticks.

It's not whataboutery to ask why BBC Scotland has assiduously avoided mentioning the criminal background of Dave King -- who, unlike Desmond, has been convicted in court -- and the utter roguery of David Murray, who, unlike DD, has actually defrauded Scotland's taxpayers of hundreds of millions. And still no mention of The Offshore Game. No, Scotland has bigger fish to fry -- those depressingly successful Fenian bastards. GIRFUY!

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DD could learn a lot from Griff.

" excuse me Mr Desmond , Mark Daly BBC , can i ask you a few questions about a company you...."

" yer club's deid mate , beat it"

<blockquote class="twitter-video" data-lang="en"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AreYouARangersSupporter?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AreYouARangersSupporter</a> <a href="https://t.co/Y4OhJ43l8i">pic.twitter.com/Y4OhJ43l8i</a></p>— Arsène Parçelie (@Arsene_Parcelie) <a href="https://twitter.com/Arsene_Parcelie/status/927823041580748800?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 7, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Some amount of disingenuous and hypocritical claptrap on this thread. There is not a poster on KDS who would not look to minimise his tax liability by lawful means, and more than a few, I'm sure, who would be delighted to do so illegally could they afford to. Indeed, there's a whole profession geared to helping its clients legally do exactly that -- it's called accountancy, you may have heard of it.

So what is this story? Thousands of businessmen and businesses from all over the world have been caught doing what we would all love to be able to do but BBC Scotland decides to concentrate on an Irish billionaire who might have legally avoided paying £1m tax to that bastion of fiscal probity, Switzerland! And, though I haven't seen the programme, apparently three Irish actors earning relative buttons. What an absolute joke. Are there no Scots mentioned in the Paradise Papers? Or, as Phil claims, is anti-Irish racism still so deeply entrenched in the Scottish psyche that all rational judgment goes out the window?

This is a smear aimed at Celtic FC, a vulgar and transparently obvious attempt to draw an equivalence between Celtic and the rancid, criminal bastards on the other side of Glasgow. There is absolutely no justification for picking on Dermot Desmond, a man of whom I've been critical in the past, on this issue -- he does not own Celtic but is merely a shareholder, Celtic have not been mentioned in the Paradise Papers, Celtic are not accused, and BBC itself pathetically admits at the end that DD has done nothing illegal. It's a totally unjustified throwing of mud at the direction of the club, hoping some of it sticks.

It's not whataboutery to ask why BBC Scotland has assiduously avoided mentioning the criminal background of Dave King -- who, unlike Desmond, has been convicted in court -- and the utter roguery of David Murray, who, unlike DD, has actually defrauded Scotland's taxpayers of hundreds of millions. And still no mention of The Offshore Game. No, Scotland has bigger fish to fry -- those depressingly successful Fenian bastards. GIRFUY!

Brilliant summary of the hypocrisy and bias in play at the BBC. They are a corrupt shower of masonic Hun bastards who turn a blind eye to real stories over Govan way (including criminal activity), pay tax cheats to spout garbage on all things Sevco, while trying to smear our club at every opportunity with whatever shampooe they can drag up.
They are a national disgrace and I just hope and pray that DD and Celtic go for the jugular over this. I wish to feck you could just refuse to pay the licence on the basis of their unethical employment of tax cheats and deliberately ignoring the biggest scandal in British sporting history/governance. Makes my blood boil!
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Some amount of disingenuous and hypocritical claptrap on this thread. There is not a poster on KDS who would not look to minimise his tax liability by lawful means, and more than a few, I'm sure, who would be delighted to do so illegally could they afford to. Indeed, there's a whole profession geared to helping its clients legally do exactly that -- it's called accountancy, you may have heard of it.

So what is this story? Thousands of businessmen and businesses from all over the world have been caught doing what we would all love to be able to do but BBC Scotland decides to concentrate on an Irish billionaire who might have legally avoided paying £1m tax to that bastion of fiscal probity, Switzerland! And, though I haven't seen the programme, apparently three Irish actors earning relative buttons. What an absolute joke. Are there no Scots mentioned in the Paradise Papers? Or, as Phil claims, is anti-Irish racism still so deeply entrenched in the Scottish psyche that all rational judgment goes out the window?

This is a smear aimed at Celtic FC, a vulgar and transparently obvious attempt to draw an equivalence between Celtic and the rancid, criminal bastards on the other side of Glasgow. There is absolutely no justification for picking on Dermot Desmond, a man of whom I've been critical in the past, on this issue -- he does not own Celtic but is merely a shareholder, Celtic have not been mentioned in the Paradise Papers, Celtic are not accused, and BBC itself pathetically admits at the end that DD has done nothing illegal. It's a totally unjustified throwing of mud at the direction of the club, hoping some of it sticks.

It's not whataboutery to ask why BBC Scotland has assiduously avoided mentioning the criminal background of Dave King -- who, unlike Desmond, has been convicted in court -- and the utter roguery of David Murray, who, unlike DD, has actually defrauded Scotland's taxpayers of hundreds of millions. And still no mention of The Offshore Game. No, Scotland has bigger fish to fry -- those depressingly successful Fenian bastards. GIRFUY!

100% agree with you and was going to post something similar.


Putting the BBC pish aside anyone who was offered by an accountant/ tax specialist to be able to reduce their own individual tax legally would bite the hand of them - myself included.

These millionaires/billionaires are quite right to do so by legal means & that’s what they do. If anything it is the governments lack of law(s) or closing loopholes that is the issue. If I had serious money I would be looking to do it as well.

The moral issue is all very well but when you have the opportunity to reduce tax as a high earner considerably & legally then everyone and anyone would do so. To think otherwise is kidding yourself on.

The BBC is simply trying to even the score in an underhand way after the show “The men who sold the jerseys” previously about Sevco/Rangers(RIP). Sleekit carrots. DD as you rightly state is the major shareholder and they are mud slinging at the club via him to even scores.

Murray did much, much worse directly effecting Scottish taxpayer but not one programme directly about him and his antics exist.

Nonsense.
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Good story I the DR about our academy.

Celtic’s stunning academy stats down to one man and that’s Tommy Burns
The champions have produced more players from their academy than any other club in the country with 18 featuring in the Champions League over a 15-year period.
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Good read that, I didn't know George McCluskey was still involved at the club.
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7 Nov 2017, 09:54 AM
Some amount of disingenuous and hypocritical claptrap on this thread. There is not a poster on KDS who would not look to minimise his tax liability by lawful means, and more than a few, I'm sure, who would be delighted to do so illegally could they afford to. Indeed, there's a whole profession geared to helping its clients legally do exactly that -- it's called accountancy, you may have heard of it.

So what is this story? Thousands of businessmen and businesses from all over the world have been caught doing what we would all love to be able to do but BBC Scotland decides to concentrate on an Irish billionaire who might have legally avoided paying £1m tax to that bastion of fiscal probity, Switzerland! And, though I haven't seen the programme, apparently three Irish actors earning relative buttons. What an absolute joke. Are there no Scots mentioned in the Paradise Papers? Or, as Phil claims, is anti-Irish racism still so deeply entrenched in the Scottish psyche that all rational judgment goes out the window?

This is a smear aimed at Celtic FC, a vulgar and transparently obvious attempt to draw an equivalence between Celtic and the rancid, criminal bastards on the other side of Glasgow. There is absolutely no justification for picking on Dermot Desmond, a man of whom I've been critical in the past, on this issue -- he does not own Celtic but is merely a shareholder, Celtic have not been mentioned in the Paradise Papers, Celtic are not accused, and BBC itself pathetically admits at the end that DD has done nothing illegal. It's a totally unjustified throwing of mud at the direction of the club, hoping some of it sticks.

It's not whataboutery to ask why BBC Scotland has assiduously avoided mentioning the criminal background of Dave King -- who, unlike Desmond, has been convicted in court -- and the utter roguery of David Murray, who, unlike DD, has actually defrauded Scotland's taxpayers of hundreds of millions. And still no mention of The Offshore Game. No, Scotland has bigger fish to fry -- those depressingly successful Fenian bastards. GIRFUY!

:theclap: Well said that man.

Daly's piece of pretendy investigative journalism is a glorious example of the deep seated anti Celtic bile that characterises a great deal of the output of the national broadcaster in Scotland.

How can a so called professional broadcaster berate a foreign national for legally avoiding a tax burden in another foreign country whilst
employing Scots who have illegal EBTs unless it's for a reason completely divorced from the subject at heart.

Funny Daly said nothing about the Queen.

Moral and ethical issues are one thing, but I wonder how many of us ponder the morality of paying the kitchen fitter, the builder or carpet layer in cash and so avoiding tax liabilities. ?

I wish I was as saintly as some on here would have us believe.



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7 Nov 2017, 09:54 AM
Some amount of disingenuous and hypocritical claptrap on this thread. There is not a poster on KDS who would not look to minimise his tax liability by lawful means, and more than a few, I'm sure, who would be delighted to do so illegally could they afford to. Indeed, there's a whole profession geared to helping its clients legally do exactly that -- it's called accountancy, you may have heard of it.

So what is this story? Thousands of businessmen and businesses from all over the world have been caught doing what we would all love to be able to do but BBC Scotland decides to concentrate on an Irish billionaire who might have legally avoided paying £1m tax to that bastion of fiscal probity, Switzerland! And, though I haven't seen the programme, apparently three Irish actors earning relative buttons. What an absolute joke. Are there no Scots mentioned in the Paradise Papers? Or, as Phil claims, is anti-Irish racism still so deeply entrenched in the Scottish psyche that all rational judgment goes out the window?

This is a smear aimed at Celtic FC, a vulgar and transparently obvious attempt to draw an equivalence between Celtic and the rancid, criminal bastards on the other side of Glasgow. There is absolutely no justification for picking on Dermot Desmond, a man of whom I've been critical in the past, on this issue -- he does not own Celtic but is merely a shareholder, Celtic have not been mentioned in the Paradise Papers, Celtic are not accused, and BBC itself pathetically admits at the end that DD has done nothing illegal. It's a totally unjustified throwing of mud at the direction of the club, hoping some of it sticks.

It's not whataboutery to ask why BBC Scotland has assiduously avoided mentioning the criminal background of Dave King -- who, unlike Desmond, has been convicted in court -- and the utter roguery of David Murray, who, unlike DD, has actually defrauded Scotland's taxpayers of hundreds of millions. And still no mention of The Offshore Game. No, Scotland has bigger fish to fry -- those depressingly successful Fenian bastards. GIRFUY!

You’ve echoed my thoughts although you’ve put it more eloquently than I could. :thumbsup:
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7 Nov 2017, 09:54 AM
Some amount of disingenuous and hypocritical claptrap on this thread. There is not a poster on KDS who would not look to minimise his tax liability by lawful means, and more than a few, I'm sure, who would be delighted to do so illegally could they afford to. Indeed, there's a whole profession geared to helping its clients legally do exactly that -- it's called accountancy, you may have heard of it.

So what is this story? Thousands of businessmen and businesses from all over the world have been caught doing what we would all love to be able to do but BBC Scotland decides to concentrate on an Irish billionaire who might have legally avoided paying £1m tax to that bastion of fiscal probity, Switzerland! And, though I haven't seen the programme, apparently three Irish actors earning relative buttons. What an absolute joke. Are there no Scots mentioned in the Paradise Papers? Or, as Phil claims, is anti-Irish racism still so deeply entrenched in the Scottish psyche that all rational judgment goes out the window?

This is a smear aimed at Celtic FC, a vulgar and transparently obvious attempt to draw an equivalence between Celtic and the rancid, criminal bastards on the other side of Glasgow. There is absolutely no justification for picking on Dermot Desmond, a man of whom I've been critical in the past, on this issue -- he does not own Celtic but is merely a shareholder, Celtic have not been mentioned in the Paradise Papers, Celtic are not accused, and BBC itself pathetically admits at the end that DD has done nothing illegal. It's a totally unjustified throwing of mud at the direction of the club, hoping some of it sticks.

It's not whataboutery to ask why BBC Scotland has assiduously avoided mentioning the criminal background of Dave King -- who, unlike Desmond, has been convicted in court -- and the utter roguery of David Murray, who, unlike DD, has actually defrauded Scotland's taxpayers of hundreds of millions. And still no mention of The Offshore Game. No, Scotland has bigger fish to fry -- those depressingly successful Fenian bastards. GIRFUY!

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