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tomtheleedstim
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7 Nov 2017, 06:31 AM
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Let me get this right, a non UK Citizen allegedly, and legally, avoids Swiss Aviation Tax?
THAT’s the headline story?
Let’s be clear, there is one reason and one reason only why they’ve run with that - his Celtic connection.
That’s like a royalist arguing that the only reason the queen has been dragged into this is because of her royal connections! Of course a Scottish news programme is going to be interested in the goings-on of the largest club in Scotland’s leading shareholder.
Over the course of 2012-13, I had numerous discussions with two journalists and a senior commissioning producer at the BBC regarding the Rangers charity theft. Despite providing them with all written evidence (some of which I couldn't even make public as it would have betrayed sources) that proved beyond doubt how nearly £500k was illegally diverted from the Rangers charity to Rangers and Sevco, they decided against proceeding with the proposed documentary. The reasons given were that a senior manager at BBC Scotland had threatened to leak their names in advance and the subsequent threats, harassment and intimidation would simply not be worth it. One of those journalists was a certain Mr Daly. We all know about Charlotte Fakes, Minty, etc as do the BBC, The Guardian and just about every investigative journalist in the UK. And then there is GASL - a convicted tax cheat. How have these issues been investigated?... Let's remind ourselves that Murray et al stole c£28 from every single person in Scotland when Rangers went bust. To which we can add the c£0.6bn he cost us all when the parent company went bust (although he managed to walk away with the crown jewels from that for a pittance). But the BBC now see fit to lead their news with a story about an Irish billionaire who "may have avoided £1m" in Swiss taxes??? This is exactly like the Desmond care home story - a bigoted squirrel. There is one reason and one reason alone why the BBC Thanks for posting this Corsica. Highlights the threatening bigotry which still exists within the SMSM perfectly.
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7 Nov 2017, 07:34 AM
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Doesn't mark Daly start of his piece about the paradise papers by saying there are hundreds of well known SCOTS named in these papers. He then goes after a Irishman over a million pounds over 3 years owed ( if proved) to the Swiss government. Nothing to do with Scotland but trying to show Celtic in a bad light.
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7 Nov 2017, 07:56 AM
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DD could learn a lot from Griff.
" excuse me Mr Desmond , Mark Daly BBC , can i ask you a few questions about a company you...."
" yer club's deid mate , beat it"
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7 Nov 2017, 08:34 AM
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The most concerning part of this business with Mark Daly & Dermot Desmond is the letterhead on the latter's response
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7 Nov 2017, 08:40 AM
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Tax avoidance is morally wrong. Evasion is illegal. We can all agree those two points
Ask yourself this. Which buisnessman associated with Scottish sport has been involved in tax evasion on a grand scale, used that tax money to gain an illegal sporting advantage and helped liquidate one of Scottish footballs biggest clubs.
There's your Mark Daly programme, your BBC sportsound special.
Happy to use the paradise papers but the SMSM ran from the Charlotte Fakes stuff.
Can you imagine the coverage if Celtic had a convicted tax criminal in charge?? These hypocrites are not remotely interested in tax avoidance, merely trying to find any eY of shoehorning Celtic and tax into a headline.
I hope DD sees now the absolute complicity of the Scottish media in covering up the whole Sevco/Old Huns saga. Perhaps it might give him some impetus to get those titles stripped
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7 Nov 2017, 08:44 AM
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Won't touch the offshore game report either.
Can't wait for the follow up with Barry Ferguson, souness and klos etc
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7 Nov 2017, 09:29 AM
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Good story I the DR about our academy.
Celtic’s stunning academy stats down to one man and that’s Tommy Burns The champions have produced more players from their academy than any other club in the country with 18 featuring in the Champions League over a 15-year period.
Spoiler: click to toggle Gordon Parks John Sludden watched the late Tommy Burns hit the start button on the conveyor belt of young Celtic talent. It’s just over a decade since the Hoops opened the doors of their state-of-the-art training base at Lennoxtown with the production line now the most prolific in the country. But Sludden believes that quality control which saw 10 academy kids feature in the club’s record-breaking 63-game unbeaten domestic run is a lasting tribute to the man who put the template in place. SFA stats show the Parkhead side have produced more players from their academy than any other club in the country with 18 featuring in the Champions League over a 15-year period. An incredible 55 kids have graduated to competitive Celtic debuts while 168 of them went on to have professional careers elsewhere as downtrodden Barrowfield has been replaced with a football factory at the foot of the Campsie Hills. And Sludden, who spent 12 years as a development coach with the champions, insists Burns has a legacy in his own image. He said: “The secret to the success of any football academy is the way it’s structured and Celtic’s ability to develop players through to the first team is all down to one man – Tommy. “Lennoxtown is his legacy. The DNA of Celtic’s development programme was created by Tommy and it is now part of the fabric of everything that’s done at that level. I was there when the doors to the training complex were opened for the first time and it was testament to all the hard work Tommy had put in. “He was instrumental in getting it from planning stage right through to its completion and all that hard work is now coming to fruition. “But it wasn’t about the bricks and mortar with him – he understood the need to bring in the right type of people to ensure youngsters were being nurtured as footballers and as people. “Lennoxtown was Tommy’s baby. It was incredible the amount of time and energy he spent on it. He’s no longer with us but he still remains a massive influence over so many people at the club.” ) James Forrest, Kieran Tierney, Callum McGregor, Jamie McCart, Anthony Ralston, Calvin Miller, Liam Henderson, Jack Aitchison, Michael Johnston and Eoghan O’Connell are the homegrown players who have helped rewrite the history books. And Sludden believes they’re torchbearers for the Burns ethos based on hard work and honesty. He said: “Tommy set the standard for everyone connected with Celtic’s academy – the staff, coaches and the players. Everyone. “It’s about having a work ethic and integrity in your job and that has been carried on right through the time Lennoxtown has been in operation. “I remember the pride he had when the doors opened. He wanted an academy that would be the best in the country and now he has that. “There’s no magic formula. The answer can be found in the number of people who are still working at Celtic who came through the academy programme from day one with Tommy. They saw the way he worked and they’re continuing that. “It was morning, noon and night with Tommy. You would see him around the park all day and he’d still be there when they were switching the lights off at the end of the night. “It was a labour of love for him to help usher along these kids. “Tommy was just being Tommy – that enthusiasm he had rubbed off on everybody. “You see it in the good work from people like head of youth Chris McCart and Martin Miller, head of Celtic’s junior academy. Martin is a massive part of that success as he’s the first coach the majority of the kids will come under when they sign for Celtic. “Brian Meechan is also a massive influence on the young players. He ensures everything is in place to safeguard their wellbeing. “It’s men like these who do an enormous amount of work behind the scenes and so often it doesn’t get noticed. “My old Clyde team-mate George McCluskey is instrumental – as a former player he knows what it’s all about and is great to have about the place. Tommy McIntyre is also a key figure in all the success of getting boys through the levels and into the first team.” Hoops boss Brendan Rodgers has spoken of money not being able to guarantee success along with his mission to promote from within. And Sludden believes plenty more will get their wish. He said: “These players are developing all the time. They arrive into the academy as kids with potential and that’s when the hard work begins. “It’s about a work ethic that runs in tandem between the players and coach, which is all about setting off on a pathway that hopefully ends with playing in the first team. It’s the perfect learning environment. You can go right back to Aiden McGeady then James Forrest to find when the development programme started to bear fruit. “There is now an ethos at Celtic which is about showing you are good enough. If you can do that then you will get a chance in the first team. “Brendan has encouraged that and shown he’s prepared to put them in.” East Stirling boss Sludden believes Celtic’s duty of care is also about preparing young minds for a career elsewhere if first-team football doesn’t come calling. He said: “This is an academy that services most of the senior clubs in Scotland and that has also been part of the Celtic message. When Tommy sat parents down to talk about signing their child, he would talk about their son being given a football education. “That player may not progress into Celtic’s first team but it shouldn’t mean he can’t earn a good living playing football somewhere else. “That was always Tommy’s attitude. He wanted to ensure every player was given the best chance even if they weren’t going to make the grade at Lennoxtown. Celtic star Callum McGregor pays heartfelt tribute to Tommy Burns as he prepares for Scotland debut “And that has been proven with the number of players with a Celtic education playing at other big clubs – Marcus Fraser, John Herron, Joe Chalmers and boys like that are all succeeding elsewhere. “You also get a special talent like Kieran Tierney whose potential is scary. You just wonder if his love for the club will lead to the scenario we had with Paul McStay. “He may be a player who just wants to stay for his entire career as he loves playing for Celtic. Some of his comments are things I used to hear coming from Paul.” http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-match-reports/celtics-stunning-academy-stats-down-11477944
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7 Nov 2017, 09:42 AM
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Dermot Desmond's letter to Mark Daly, copied to high BBC heid yins All this for £1m. Unfortunately, the BBC investigative team are less concerned about investigating Murray's £1billion, Rangers (RIP)'s £100m tax evasion and Sevco's tax evading criminal chairman
Are you a Rangers supporter? In other words, DD is saying only someone that thick and deluded would try and tarnish his reputation on national tv Can't wait for the fallout from this Or, in other words, Desmond playing to the lowest common denominator.
A dark art in which a carpetbagger like him, is no doubt adept.
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7 Nov 2017, 09:54 AM
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Over the course of 2012-13, I had numerous discussions with two journalists and a senior commissioning producer at the BBC regarding the Rangers charity theft. Despite providing them with all written evidence (some of which I couldn't even make public as it would have betrayed sources) that proved beyond doubt how nearly £500k was illegally diverted from the Rangers charity to Rangers and Sevco, they decided against proceeding with the proposed documentary. The reasons given were that a senior manager at BBC Scotland had threatened to leak their names in advance and the subsequent threats, harassment and intimidation would simply not be worth it. One of those journalists was a certain Mr Daly. We all know about Charlotte Fakes, Minty, etc as do the BBC, The Guardian and just about every investigative journalist in the UK. And then there is GASL - a convicted tax cheat. How have these issues been investigated?... Let's remind ourselves that Murray et al stole c£28 from every single person in Scotland when Rangers went bust. To which we can add the c£0.6bn he cost us all when the parent company went bust (although he managed to walk away with the crown jewels from that for a pittance). But the BBC now see fit to lead their news with a story about an Irish billionaire who "may have avoided £1m" in Swiss taxes??? This is exactly like the Desmond care home story - a bigoted squirrel. There is one reason and one reason alone why the BBC
Thanks for posting this Corsica. Highlights the threatening bigotry which still exists within the SMSM perfectly. It also highlights the lack of HR governance at the BBC that employees and contractors have no recourse to bullying threats from senior management.
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7 Nov 2017, 09:54 AM
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Some amount of disingenuous and hypocritical claptrap on this thread. There is not a poster on KDS who would not look to minimise his tax liability by lawful means, and more than a few, I'm sure, who would be delighted to do so illegally could they afford to. Indeed, there's a whole profession geared to helping its clients legally do exactly that -- it's called accountancy, you may have heard of it.
So what is this story? Thousands of businessmen and businesses from all over the world have been caught doing what we would all love to be able to do but BBC Scotland decides to concentrate on an Irish billionaire who might have legally avoided paying £1m tax to that bastion of fiscal probity, Switzerland! And, though I haven't seen the programme, apparently three Irish actors earning relative buttons. What an absolute joke. Are there no Scots mentioned in the Paradise Papers? Or, as Phil claims, is anti-Irish racism still so deeply entrenched in the Scottish psyche that all rational judgment goes out the window?
This is a smear aimed at Celtic FC, a vulgar and transparently obvious attempt to draw an equivalence between Celtic and the rancid, criminal bastards on the other side of Glasgow. There is absolutely no justification for picking on Dermot Desmond, a man of whom I've been critical in the past, on this issue -- he does not own Celtic but is merely a shareholder, Celtic have not been mentioned in the Paradise Papers, Celtic are not accused, and BBC itself pathetically admits at the end that DD has done nothing illegal. It's a totally unjustified throwing of mud at the direction of the club, hoping some of it sticks.
It's not whataboutery to ask why BBC Scotland has assiduously avoided mentioning the criminal background of Dave King -- who, unlike Desmond, has been convicted in court -- and the utter roguery of David Murray, who, unlike DD, has actually defrauded Scotland's taxpayers of hundreds of millions. And still no mention of The Offshore Game. No, Scotland has bigger fish to fry -- those depressingly successful Fenian bastards. GIRFUY!
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7 Nov 2017, 10:03 AM
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DD could learn a lot from Griff.
" excuse me Mr Desmond , Mark Daly BBC , can i ask you a few questions about a company you...."
" yer club's deid mate , beat it"
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7 Nov 2017, 10:16 AM
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Some amount of disingenuous and hypocritical claptrap on this thread. There is not a poster on KDS who would not look to minimise his tax liability by lawful means, and more than a few, I'm sure, who would be delighted to do so illegally could they afford to. Indeed, there's a whole profession geared to helping its clients legally do exactly that -- it's called accountancy, you may have heard of it.
So what is this story? Thousands of businessmen and businesses from all over the world have been caught doing what we would all love to be able to do but BBC Scotland decides to concentrate on an Irish billionaire who might have legally avoided paying £1m tax to that bastion of fiscal probity, Switzerland! And, though I haven't seen the programme, apparently three Irish actors earning relative buttons. What an absolute joke. Are there no Scots mentioned in the Paradise Papers? Or, as Phil claims, is anti-Irish racism still so deeply entrenched in the Scottish psyche that all rational judgment goes out the window?
This is a smear aimed at Celtic FC, a vulgar and transparently obvious attempt to draw an equivalence between Celtic and the rancid, criminal bastards on the other side of Glasgow. There is absolutely no justification for picking on Dermot Desmond, a man of whom I've been critical in the past, on this issue -- he does not own Celtic but is merely a shareholder, Celtic have not been mentioned in the Paradise Papers, Celtic are not accused, and BBC itself pathetically admits at the end that DD has done nothing illegal. It's a totally unjustified throwing of mud at the direction of the club, hoping some of it sticks.
It's not whataboutery to ask why BBC Scotland has assiduously avoided mentioning the criminal background of Dave King -- who, unlike Desmond, has been convicted in court -- and the utter roguery of David Murray, who, unlike DD, has actually defrauded Scotland's taxpayers of hundreds of millions. And still no mention of The Offshore Game. No, Scotland has bigger fish to fry -- those depressingly successful Fenian bastards. GIRFUY!
in a nutshell Torq.
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7 Nov 2017, 10:21 AM
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Some amount of disingenuous and hypocritical claptrap on this thread. There is not a poster on KDS who would not look to minimise his tax liability by lawful means, and more than a few, I'm sure, who would be delighted to do so illegally could they afford to. Indeed, there's a whole profession geared to helping its clients legally do exactly that -- it's called accountancy, you may have heard of it.
So what is this story? Thousands of businessmen and businesses from all over the world have been caught doing what we would all love to be able to do but BBC Scotland decides to concentrate on an Irish billionaire who might have legally avoided paying £1m tax to that bastion of fiscal probity, Switzerland! And, though I haven't seen the programme, apparently three Irish actors earning relative buttons. What an absolute joke. Are there no Scots mentioned in the Paradise Papers? Or, as Phil claims, is anti-Irish racism still so deeply entrenched in the Scottish psyche that all rational judgment goes out the window?
This is a smear aimed at Celtic FC, a vulgar and transparently obvious attempt to draw an equivalence between Celtic and the rancid, criminal bastards on the other side of Glasgow. There is absolutely no justification for picking on Dermot Desmond, a man of whom I've been critical in the past, on this issue -- he does not own Celtic but is merely a shareholder, Celtic have not been mentioned in the Paradise Papers, Celtic are not accused, and BBC itself pathetically admits at the end that DD has done nothing illegal. It's a totally unjustified throwing of mud at the direction of the club, hoping some of it sticks.
It's not whataboutery to ask why BBC Scotland has assiduously avoided mentioning the criminal background of Dave King -- who, unlike Desmond, has been convicted in court -- and the utter roguery of David Murray, who, unlike DD, has actually defrauded Scotland's taxpayers of hundreds of millions. And still no mention of The Offshore Game. No, Scotland has bigger fish to fry -- those depressingly successful Fenian bastards. GIRFUY!
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7 Nov 2017, 10:45 AM
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DD could learn a lot from Griff.
" excuse me Mr Desmond , Mark Daly BBC , can i ask you a few questions about a company you...."
" yer club's deid mate , beat it"
Magic!
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Some amount of disingenuous and hypocritical claptrap on this thread. There is not a poster on KDS who would not look to minimise his tax liability by lawful means, and more than a few, I'm sure, who would be delighted to do so illegally could they afford to. Indeed, there's a whole profession geared to helping its clients legally do exactly that -- it's called accountancy, you may have heard of it.
So what is this story? Thousands of businessmen and businesses from all over the world have been caught doing what we would all love to be able to do but BBC Scotland decides to concentrate on an Irish billionaire who might have legally avoided paying £1m tax to that bastion of fiscal probity, Switzerland! And, though I haven't seen the programme, apparently three Irish actors earning relative buttons. What an absolute joke. Are there no Scots mentioned in the Paradise Papers? Or, as Phil claims, is anti-Irish racism still so deeply entrenched in the Scottish psyche that all rational judgment goes out the window?
This is a smear aimed at Celtic FC, a vulgar and transparently obvious attempt to draw an equivalence between Celtic and the rancid, criminal bastards on the other side of Glasgow. There is absolutely no justification for picking on Dermot Desmond, a man of whom I've been critical in the past, on this issue -- he does not own Celtic but is merely a shareholder, Celtic have not been mentioned in the Paradise Papers, Celtic are not accused, and BBC itself pathetically admits at the end that DD has done nothing illegal. It's a totally unjustified throwing of mud at the direction of the club, hoping some of it sticks.
It's not whataboutery to ask why BBC Scotland has assiduously avoided mentioning the criminal background of Dave King -- who, unlike Desmond, has been convicted in court -- and the utter roguery of David Murray, who, unlike DD, has actually defrauded Scotland's taxpayers of hundreds of millions. And still no mention of The Offshore Game. No, Scotland has bigger fish to fry -- those depressingly successful Fenian bastards. GIRFUY!
Brilliant summary of the hypocrisy and bias in play at the BBC. They are a corrupt shower of masonic Hun bastards who turn a blind eye to real stories over Govan way (including criminal activity), pay tax cheats to spout garbage on all things Sevco, while trying to smear our club at every opportunity with whatever shampooe they can drag up. They are a national disgrace and I just hope and pray that DD and Celtic go for the jugular over this. I wish to feck you could just refuse to pay the licence on the basis of their unethical employment of tax cheats and deliberately ignoring the biggest scandal in British sporting history/governance. Makes my blood boil!
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7 Nov 2017, 11:15 AM
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Some amount of disingenuous and hypocritical claptrap on this thread. There is not a poster on KDS who would not look to minimise his tax liability by lawful means, and more than a few, I'm sure, who would be delighted to do so illegally could they afford to. Indeed, there's a whole profession geared to helping its clients legally do exactly that -- it's called accountancy, you may have heard of it.
So what is this story? Thousands of businessmen and businesses from all over the world have been caught doing what we would all love to be able to do but BBC Scotland decides to concentrate on an Irish billionaire who might have legally avoided paying £1m tax to that bastion of fiscal probity, Switzerland! And, though I haven't seen the programme, apparently three Irish actors earning relative buttons. What an absolute joke. Are there no Scots mentioned in the Paradise Papers? Or, as Phil claims, is anti-Irish racism still so deeply entrenched in the Scottish psyche that all rational judgment goes out the window?
This is a smear aimed at Celtic FC, a vulgar and transparently obvious attempt to draw an equivalence between Celtic and the rancid, criminal bastards on the other side of Glasgow. There is absolutely no justification for picking on Dermot Desmond, a man of whom I've been critical in the past, on this issue -- he does not own Celtic but is merely a shareholder, Celtic have not been mentioned in the Paradise Papers, Celtic are not accused, and BBC itself pathetically admits at the end that DD has done nothing illegal. It's a totally unjustified throwing of mud at the direction of the club, hoping some of it sticks.
It's not whataboutery to ask why BBC Scotland has assiduously avoided mentioning the criminal background of Dave King -- who, unlike Desmond, has been convicted in court -- and the utter roguery of David Murray, who, unlike DD, has actually defrauded Scotland's taxpayers of hundreds of millions. And still no mention of The Offshore Game. No, Scotland has bigger fish to fry -- those depressingly successful Fenian bastards. GIRFUY!
100% agree with you and was going to post something similar.
Putting the BBC pish aside anyone who was offered by an accountant/ tax specialist to be able to reduce their own individual tax legally would bite the hand of them - myself included.
These millionaires/billionaires are quite right to do so by legal means & that’s what they do. If anything it is the governments lack of law(s) or closing loopholes that is the issue. If I had serious money I would be looking to do it as well.
The moral issue is all very well but when you have the opportunity to reduce tax as a high earner considerably & legally then everyone and anyone would do so. To think otherwise is kidding yourself on.
The BBC is simply trying to even the score in an underhand way after the show “The men who sold the jerseys” previously about Sevco/Rangers(RIP). Sleekit carrots. DD as you rightly state is the major shareholder and they are mud slinging at the club via him to even scores.
Murray did much, much worse directly effecting Scottish taxpayer but not one programme directly about him and his antics exist.
Nonsense.
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7 Nov 2017, 11:17 AM
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Good story I the DR about our academy. Celtic’s stunning academy stats down to one man and that’s Tommy BurnsThe champions have produced more players from their academy than any other club in the country with 18 featuring in the Champions League over a 15-year period. Spoiler: click to toggle Gordon Parks John Sludden watched the late Tommy Burns hit the start button on the conveyor belt of young Celtic talent. It’s just over a decade since the Hoops opened the doors of their state-of-the-art training base at Lennoxtown with the production line now the most prolific in the country. But Sludden believes that quality control which saw 10 academy kids feature in the club’s record-breaking 63-game unbeaten domestic run is a lasting tribute to the man who put the template in place. SFA stats show the Parkhead side have produced more players from their academy than any other club in the country with 18 featuring in the Champions League over a 15-year period. An incredible 55 kids have graduated to competitive Celtic debuts while 168 of them went on to have professional careers elsewhere as downtrodden Barrowfield has been replaced with a football factory at the foot of the Campsie Hills. And Sludden, who spent 12 years as a development coach with the champions, insists Burns has a legacy in his own image. He said: “The secret to the success of any football academy is the way it’s structured and Celtic’s ability to develop players through to the first team is all down to one man – Tommy. “Lennoxtown is his legacy. The DNA of Celtic’s development programme was created by Tommy and it is now part of the fabric of everything that’s done at that level. I was there when the doors to the training complex were opened for the first time and it was testament to all the hard work Tommy had put in. “He was instrumental in getting it from planning stage right through to its completion and all that hard work is now coming to fruition. “But it wasn’t about the bricks and mortar with him – he understood the need to bring in the right type of people to ensure youngsters were being nurtured as footballers and as people. “Lennoxtown was Tommy’s baby. It was incredible the amount of time and energy he spent on it. He’s no longer with us but he still remains a massive influence over so many people at the club.” ) James Forrest, Kieran Tierney, Callum McGregor, Jamie McCart, Anthony Ralston, Calvin Miller, Liam Henderson, Jack Aitchison, Michael Johnston and Eoghan O’Connell are the homegrown players who have helped rewrite the history books. And Sludden believes they’re torchbearers for the Burns ethos based on hard work and honesty. He said: “Tommy set the standard for everyone connected with Celtic’s academy – the staff, coaches and the players. Everyone. “It’s about having a work ethic and integrity in your job and that has been carried on right through the time Lennoxtown has been in operation. “I remember the pride he had when the doors opened. He wanted an academy that would be the best in the country and now he has that. “There’s no magic formula. The answer can be found in the number of people who are still working at Celtic who came through the academy programme from day one with Tommy. They saw the way he worked and they’re continuing that. “It was morning, noon and night with Tommy. You would see him around the park all day and he’d still be there when they were switching the lights off at the end of the night. “It was a labour of love for him to help usher along these kids. “Tommy was just being Tommy – that enthusiasm he had rubbed off on everybody. “You see it in the good work from people like head of youth Chris McCart and Martin Miller, head of Celtic’s junior academy. Martin is a massive part of that success as he’s the first coach the majority of the kids will come under when they sign for Celtic. “Brian Meechan is also a massive influence on the young players. He ensures everything is in place to safeguard their wellbeing. “It’s men like these who do an enormous amount of work behind the scenes and so often it doesn’t get noticed. “My old Clyde team-mate George McCluskey is instrumental – as a former player he knows what it’s all about and is great to have about the place. Tommy McIntyre is also a key figure in all the success of getting boys through the levels and into the first team.” Hoops boss Brendan Rodgers has spoken of money not being able to guarantee success along with his mission to promote from within. And Sludden believes plenty more will get their wish. He said: “These players are developing all the time. They arrive into the academy as kids with potential and that’s when the hard work begins. “It’s about a work ethic that runs in tandem between the players and coach, which is all about setting off on a pathway that hopefully ends with playing in the first team. It’s the perfect learning environment. You can go right back to Aiden McGeady then James Forrest to find when the development programme started to bear fruit. “There is now an ethos at Celtic which is about showing you are good enough. If you can do that then you will get a chance in the first team. “Brendan has encouraged that and shown he’s prepared to put them in.” East Stirling boss Sludden believes Celtic’s duty of care is also about preparing young minds for a career elsewhere if first-team football doesn’t come calling. He said: “This is an academy that services most of the senior clubs in Scotland and that has also been part of the Celtic message. When Tommy sat parents down to talk about signing their child, he would talk about their son being given a football education. “That player may not progress into Celtic’s first team but it shouldn’t mean he can’t earn a good living playing football somewhere else. “That was always Tommy’s attitude. He wanted to ensure every player was given the best chance even if they weren’t going to make the grade at Lennoxtown. Celtic star Callum McGregor pays heartfelt tribute to Tommy Burns as he prepares for Scotland debut “And that has been proven with the number of players with a Celtic education playing at other big clubs – Marcus Fraser, John Herron, Joe Chalmers and boys like that are all succeeding elsewhere. “You also get a special talent like Kieran Tierney whose potential is scary. You just wonder if his love for the club will lead to the scenario we had with Paul McStay. “He may be a player who just wants to stay for his entire career as he loves playing for Celtic. Some of his comments are things I used to hear coming from Paul.” http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-match-reports/celtics-stunning-academy-stats-down-11477944 Good read that, I didn't know George McCluskey was still involved at the club.
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7 Nov 2017, 11:26 AM
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Some amount of disingenuous and hypocritical claptrap on this thread. There is not a poster on KDS who would not look to minimise his tax liability by lawful means, and more than a few, I'm sure, who would be delighted to do so illegally could they afford to. Indeed, there's a whole profession geared to helping its clients legally do exactly that -- it's called accountancy, you may have heard of it.
So what is this story? Thousands of businessmen and businesses from all over the world have been caught doing what we would all love to be able to do but BBC Scotland decides to concentrate on an Irish billionaire who might have legally avoided paying £1m tax to that bastion of fiscal probity, Switzerland! And, though I haven't seen the programme, apparently three Irish actors earning relative buttons. What an absolute joke. Are there no Scots mentioned in the Paradise Papers? Or, as Phil claims, is anti-Irish racism still so deeply entrenched in the Scottish psyche that all rational judgment goes out the window?
This is a smear aimed at Celtic FC, a vulgar and transparently obvious attempt to draw an equivalence between Celtic and the rancid, criminal bastards on the other side of Glasgow. There is absolutely no justification for picking on Dermot Desmond, a man of whom I've been critical in the past, on this issue -- he does not own Celtic but is merely a shareholder, Celtic have not been mentioned in the Paradise Papers, Celtic are not accused, and BBC itself pathetically admits at the end that DD has done nothing illegal. It's a totally unjustified throwing of mud at the direction of the club, hoping some of it sticks.
It's not whataboutery to ask why BBC Scotland has assiduously avoided mentioning the criminal background of Dave King -- who, unlike Desmond, has been convicted in court -- and the utter roguery of David Murray, who, unlike DD, has actually defrauded Scotland's taxpayers of hundreds of millions. And still no mention of The Offshore Game. No, Scotland has bigger fish to fry -- those depressingly successful Fenian bastards. GIRFUY!
Well said that man.
Daly's piece of pretendy investigative journalism is a glorious example of the deep seated anti Celtic bile that characterises a great deal of the output of the national broadcaster in Scotland.
How can a so called professional broadcaster berate a foreign national for legally avoiding a tax burden in another foreign country whilst employing Scots who have illegal EBTs unless it's for a reason completely divorced from the subject at heart.
Funny Daly said nothing about the Queen.
Moral and ethical issues are one thing, but I wonder how many of us ponder the morality of paying the kitchen fitter, the builder or carpet layer in cash and so avoiding tax liabilities. ?
I wish I was as saintly as some on here would have us believe.
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7 Nov 2017, 11:38 AM
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- 7 Nov 2017, 09:54 AM
Some amount of disingenuous and hypocritical claptrap on this thread. There is not a poster on KDS who would not look to minimise his tax liability by lawful means, and more than a few, I'm sure, who would be delighted to do so illegally could they afford to. Indeed, there's a whole profession geared to helping its clients legally do exactly that -- it's called accountancy, you may have heard of it.
So what is this story? Thousands of businessmen and businesses from all over the world have been caught doing what we would all love to be able to do but BBC Scotland decides to concentrate on an Irish billionaire who might have legally avoided paying £1m tax to that bastion of fiscal probity, Switzerland! And, though I haven't seen the programme, apparently three Irish actors earning relative buttons. What an absolute joke. Are there no Scots mentioned in the Paradise Papers? Or, as Phil claims, is anti-Irish racism still so deeply entrenched in the Scottish psyche that all rational judgment goes out the window?
This is a smear aimed at Celtic FC, a vulgar and transparently obvious attempt to draw an equivalence between Celtic and the rancid, criminal bastards on the other side of Glasgow. There is absolutely no justification for picking on Dermot Desmond, a man of whom I've been critical in the past, on this issue -- he does not own Celtic but is merely a shareholder, Celtic have not been mentioned in the Paradise Papers, Celtic are not accused, and BBC itself pathetically admits at the end that DD has done nothing illegal. It's a totally unjustified throwing of mud at the direction of the club, hoping some of it sticks.
It's not whataboutery to ask why BBC Scotland has assiduously avoided mentioning the criminal background of Dave King -- who, unlike Desmond, has been convicted in court -- and the utter roguery of David Murray, who, unlike DD, has actually defrauded Scotland's taxpayers of hundreds of millions. And still no mention of The Offshore Game. No, Scotland has bigger fish to fry -- those depressingly successful Fenian bastards. GIRFUY!
You’ve echoed my thoughts although you’ve put it more eloquently than I could.
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7 Nov 2017, 11:48 AM
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- 7 Nov 2017, 09:54 AM
Some amount of disingenuous and hypocritical claptrap on this thread. There is not a poster on KDS who would not look to minimise his tax liability by lawful means, and more than a few, I'm sure, who would be delighted to do so illegally could they afford to. Indeed, there's a whole profession geared to helping its clients legally do exactly that -- it's called accountancy, you may have heard of it.
So what is this story? Thousands of businessmen and businesses from all over the world have been caught doing what we would all love to be able to do but BBC Scotland decides to concentrate on an Irish billionaire who might have legally avoided paying £1m tax to that bastion of fiscal probity, Switzerland! And, though I haven't seen the programme, apparently three Irish actors earning relative buttons. What an absolute joke. Are there no Scots mentioned in the Paradise Papers? Or, as Phil claims, is anti-Irish racism still so deeply entrenched in the Scottish psyche that all rational judgment goes out the window?
This is a smear aimed at Celtic FC, a vulgar and transparently obvious attempt to draw an equivalence between Celtic and the rancid, criminal bastards on the other side of Glasgow. There is absolutely no justification for picking on Dermot Desmond, a man of whom I've been critical in the past, on this issue -- he does not own Celtic but is merely a shareholder, Celtic have not been mentioned in the Paradise Papers, Celtic are not accused, and BBC itself pathetically admits at the end that DD has done nothing illegal. It's a totally unjustified throwing of mud at the direction of the club, hoping some of it sticks.
It's not whataboutery to ask why BBC Scotland has assiduously avoided mentioning the criminal background of Dave King -- who, unlike Desmond, has been convicted in court -- and the utter roguery of David Murray, who, unlike DD, has actually defrauded Scotland's taxpayers of hundreds of millions. And still no mention of The Offshore Game. No, Scotland has bigger fish to fry -- those depressingly successful Fenian bastards. GIRFUY!
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