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Supporters/Green Brigade Thread; OBFA Act Repealed
Topic Started: 15 Aug 2017, 01:23 PM (325,747 Views)
k3vkr
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Seneca
15 Sep 2017, 02:38 AM
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15 Sep 2017, 02:12 AM
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15 Sep 2017, 01:31 AM

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if you read back you'l see comments like 'he deserves eveything he gets' etc.

he admitted it because he was advised to, in order to get a quick bail and get home due
to a ridiculous interpretation of a ridiculous law that makes it possible to be convicted of
assaulting somebody when no contact was made.

i saw the video. i don't think he knew what he was intending to do. i also saw the manager
of my club being assaulted in the real sense of the word. with the cameras actually showing
it but it was an 'alleged' assault that was later deemed a breach of the peace in a court of law.

scottish law is a total ass and that's why he pleaded guilty to assault. the lawyers and
smart alecs amongst us can use it to condemm a young man who had a moment of
madness but forgive me if i stick to my own definitions of right and wrong and what
a real assault actually looks like.



If a complete stranger swings a punch at me and happens to miss, I would be relieved that they missed but I would also be seriously frightened and I would consider I had been assaulted.
:clap: :clap:

Its hard to top some of the absolute shampooe posted in this thread since Tuesday, but, this is right up there :lol:
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k3vkr
15 Sep 2017, 10:09 AM
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15 Sep 2017, 02:38 AM
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15 Sep 2017, 02:12 AM

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If a complete stranger swings a punch at me and happens to miss, I would be relieved that they missed but I would also be seriously frightened and I would consider I had been assaulted.
:clap: :clap:

Its hard to top some of the absolute shampooe posted in this thread since Tuesday, but, this is right up there :lol:
100% correct.

Forget what the law says.

Thats a beaut.

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Common Assault, contrary to section 39 Criminal Justice Act 1988

An offence of Common Assault is committed when a person either assaults another person or commits a battery.

An assault is committed when a person intentionally or recklessly causes another to apprehend the immediate infliction of unlawful force.

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/l_to_o/offences_against_the_person/#common_assault

Presumably much the same in Scotland...
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Ned Rise
15 Sep 2017, 09:44 AM
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15 Sep 2017, 09:37 AM
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15 Sep 2017, 02:38 AM

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What in the eff?
Fair enough being frightened but there is no effing way that is assault.

Pitch invader was an idiot. Aul lad was just mad as hell at the idiot
You don't need to make contact for it to be assault. Don't think that's restricted to Scotland but a lawyer will probably be able to clarify.

Also, re Fearghas's point, someone is alleged to have done it before and during their trial, until they admit it or are found guilty.

Ha. As I said before what in the eff? What is it with Scotland and the weird laws/concepts? How close do you have to be for it to be assault? I have just thrown a punch and a kick in my living-room, I aimed it at the guy in this thread who grows punches instead of throwing them, I did not connect as he is miles away but my intent to assault him is there, if the kick had of landed he'd be efft, it was a hardcore wheel-kick , but I missed, is that assault?
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15 Sep 2017, 10:19 AM
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You don't need to make contact for it to be assault. Don't think that's restricted to Scotland but a lawyer will probably be able to clarify.

Also, re Fearghas's point, someone is alleged to have done it before and during their trial, until they admit it or are found guilty.

Ha. As I said before what in the eff? What is it with Scotland and the weird laws/concepts? How close do you have to be for it to be assault? I have just thrown a punch and a kick in my living-room, I aimed it at the guy in this thread who grows punches instead of throwing them, I did not connect as he is miles away but my intent to assault him is there, if the kick had of landed he'd be efft, it was a hardcore wheel-kick , but I missed, is that assault?
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No. You didn't cause the poster to apprehend the immediate infliction of unlawful force because he knew nothing about it.

And you couldn't intend to hurt someone you weren't even in the same vicinity as....
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timmyhendrix
15 Sep 2017, 10:13 AM
Common Assault, contrary to section 39 Criminal Justice Act 1988

An offence of Common Assault is committed when a person either assaults another person or commits a battery.

An assault is committed when a person intentionally or recklessly causes another to apprehend the immediate infliction of unlawful force.

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/l_to_o/offences_against_the_person/#common_assault

Presumably much the same in Scotland...
The law in Scotland, England the US, Canada and all the ones I've checked so far might well say that, but the so-called legal eagles have yet to take into account analysis from Celtbhoi2017ninja on KDS.
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So if someoone does try hit you with a bat or something but they miss. What would they be charged with if not assault?

I have no horse in this old fella vs young arsehole race. Just curious.
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Is there not an attempted assault charge? If the intent is there but the attacker misses it doesn't change the fact that they tried to inflict harm.
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the guy who ran onto the pitch was an idiot, the guy who gave him a slap was an idiot as well, not a hero.

Can I ask, those who think Anthony Lavelle was right / a hero. If you've got children and one of them was misbehaving outside and an adult gave them a slap, would you shake the adult's hand, call him a hero and want to take him to the pub to buy him a pint?
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justinjest
15 Sep 2017, 10:33 AM
the guy who ran onto the pitch was an idiot, the guy who gave him a slap was an idiot as well, not a hero.

Can I ask, those who think Anthony Lavelle was right / a hero. If you've got children and one of them was misbehaving outside and an adult gave them a slap, would you shake the adult's hand, call him a hero and want to take him to the pub to buy him a pint?
Yes, as a stressed parent I'd be a fool to miss an opportunity to nip out for a relaxing drink.
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justinjest
15 Sep 2017, 10:33 AM
the guy who ran onto the pitch was an idiot, the guy who gave him a slap was an idiot as well, not a hero.

Can I ask, those who think Anthony Lavelle was right / a hero. If you've got children and one of them was misbehaving outside and an adult gave them a slap, would you shake the adult's hand, call him a hero and want to take him to the pub to buy him a pint?
I'd slap the carrot.
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justinjest
15 Sep 2017, 10:33 AM
the guy who ran onto the pitch was an idiot, the guy who gave him a slap was an idiot as well, not a hero.

Can I ask, those who think Anthony Lavelle was right / a hero. If you've got children and one of them was misbehaving outside and an adult gave them a slap, would you shake the adult's hand, call him a hero and want to take him to the pub to buy him a pint?
If my son ran ontot he field to try kick a footballer, making himself a national embarrassment in front of millions of TV viewers. Can't say I'd mind someone giving him a clip round the back of the head, no.
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Only seen it at the game looked to me as if he didn't actually
know what he wanted to do and just kicked thin air in frustration,
heavy fine and banned from the ground is plenty.
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bhoyfromdacountyhell
15 Sep 2017, 10:19 AM
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15 Sep 2017, 09:44 AM
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15 Sep 2017, 09:37 AM

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You don't need to make contact for it to be assault. Don't think that's restricted to Scotland but a lawyer will probably be able to clarify.

Also, re Fearghas's point, someone is alleged to have done it before and during their trial, until they admit it or are found guilty.

Ha. As I said before what in the eff? What is it with Scotland and the weird laws/concepts? How close do you have to be for it to be assault? I have just thrown a punch and a kick in my living-room, I aimed it at the guy in this thread who grows punches instead of throwing them, I did not connect as he is miles away but my intent to assault him is there, if the kick had of landed he'd be efft, it was a hardcore wheel-kick , but I missed, is that assault?
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Is it mushroom season already?
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15 Sep 2017, 10:36 AM
justinjest
15 Sep 2017, 10:33 AM
the guy who ran onto the pitch was an idiot, the guy who gave him a slap was an idiot as well, not a hero.

Can I ask, those who think Anthony Lavelle was right / a hero. If you've got children and one of them was misbehaving outside and an adult gave them a slap, would you shake the adult's hand, call him a hero and want to take him to the pub to buy him a pint?
Yes, as a stressed parent I'd be a fool to miss an opportunity to nip out for a relaxing drink.
Can't say fairer than that :lol:
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15 Sep 2017, 10:40 AM
Only seen it at the game looked to me as if he didn't actually
know what he wanted to do and just kicked thin air in frustration,
heavy fine and banned from the ground is plenty.
In reality it is not that difficult to get back into the ground even if you are banned unless you are extremely well known to Celtic Officials or Plod.

Even this wee roaster could grow his hair long and grow some bum fluff.

When it all calms down the ongoing problem for him will be his job prospects - Tesco may or may not bin him - I hope they don't tbh - However on any future job application when it comes to the Criminal Conviction section explaining you made a complete winker of yourself,ran onto a football pitch at a CL game and tried to kick/assault a potentially £170m footballer (and you couldn't even do that that right) and then were subsequently huckled,charged and banned from every football ground in the UK your chances of getting the gig are not going to be great to say the least.
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justinjest
15 Sep 2017, 10:33 AM
the guy who ran onto the pitch was an idiot, the guy who gave him a slap was an idiot as well, not a hero.

Can I ask, those who think Anthony Lavelle was right / a hero. If you've got children and one of them was misbehaving outside and an adult gave them a slap, would you shake the adult's hand, call him a hero and want to take him to the pub to buy him a pint?
I'd let him know the kid was his problem now, bring them back in a couple days and go to the golf course then have 10 hours sleep.
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http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/celtic-pitch-invader-from-co-armagh-receiving-barrage-of-death-threats-says-brother-36133155.html

Celtic pitch invader from Co Armagh receiving barrage of death threats, says brother


By Allan Preston

September 15 2017


A Celtic supporter from Portadown has been subjected to a barrage of death threats after he invaded the Scottish team's Parkhead pitch to confront Paris Saint-Germain forward Kylian Mbappe, the fan's brother has claimed.


John Hatton (21) has been at the centre of a media frenzy since he slipped past security at the Champions League qualifier at Celtic Park on Tuesday and attempted to kick Mbappe.

He aimed a kick at the France striker but failed to make contact before being whisked away by stewards.

Pictures of Hatton's kick and then of him being marched off the pitch by security have since made national headlines.

But he has also been at the centre of a vicious social media backlash.

He admitted to the pitch invasion and assault at Glasgow Sheriff's court on Wednesday and is now due to be sentenced in October.

The 21-year-old Tesco employee has also been banned from every football ground in the UK.

Speaking from the family home in Portadown yesterday, Cillian Hatton said his younger brother had made a stupid mistake and that online abuse against him had gone too far.

"We don't want this, he's getting death threats and has his face in all the papers," he said.

"He made a stupid mistake, but you'll find out he has a clean record and is a quiet boy.

"This is first time doing something like this, that's not him.

"He's no other choice but to face the consequences, but all this hate directed at him is too much."

"People have posted our address online, asking people to come get and him.

Added Cillian: "This is all Celtic fans, by the way, this is what I'm disgusted about as we've been Celtic fans all our life."

Cillian said his brother was still "stranded" in Scotland, having lost his wallet, ID and money.

"As far as I'm aware he's written to the club and apologised himself.

"We're anxious to get him home, for his wellbeing and the wellbeing of this house," he said.

Cillian said his younger brother was currently studying youth work and had participated in cross-community work in the local area in the past.

"He's a quiet boy, no one round here can believe it, not even us," he said.

A second Celtic fan, 61-year-old Anthony Lavelle from Hertfordshire, was fined £400 after he admitted punching John Hatton on the head as he was led from the grounds by security.

Cillian Hatton said he took exception to the way Mr Lavelle was being "hailed as a hero" by some supporters on social media.

He added: "I haven't seen this level of hysteria for previous incidents at Celtic matches, sometimes with a large group of people involved.

"Now there's this one kid and everybody's jumping on him and it's not right.

"The wee fella doesn't know whether he's coming or going."

During John Hatton's appearance in court, his defence lawyer Dan Cameron said: "The incident wasn't viewed on television screens. It was 40 minutes into the match. He was taken by security stewards almost immediately from the pitch.

"The match wasn't disrupted for any great length of time.

"He had consumed a lot of alcohol and can only remember parts of the day."

On Wednesday morning, the football governing body Uefa opened disciplinary proceedings against Celtic, charging them with a count of "field invasion".

Their case is due to be heard by Uefa on October 19.

In the past six years, Celtic have already been fined £160,000 for 12 offences.

The most recent took place in Glasgow when fans flew a paramilitary-style flag when Linfield visited Celtic Park.

A further sanction in October means the club could be forced to partially close their stadium for a European fixture.
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15 Sep 2017, 10:56 AM
The Gorbals Urchin
15 Sep 2017, 10:40 AM
Only seen it at the game looked to me as if he didn't actually
know what he wanted to do and just kicked thin air in frustration,
heavy fine and banned from the ground is plenty.
In reality it is not that difficult to get back into the ground even if you are banned unless you are extremely well known to Celtic Officials or Plod.

Even this wee roaster could grow his hair long and grow some bum fluff.

When it all calms down the ongoing problem for him will be his job prospects - Tesco may or may not bin him - I hope they don't tbh - However on any future job application when it comes to the Criminal Conviction section explaining you made a complete winker of yourself,ran onto a football pitch at a CL game and tried to kick/assault a potentially £170m footballer (and you couldn't even do that that right) and then were subsequently huckled,charged and banned from every football ground in the UK your chances of getting the gig are not going to be great to say the least.
The only way for the ground ban to work is for the boy to report
to a police station at the hours of the game ,but I'm sure the polis
over there have more on their plate.
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Half time boxing. Only green boxing gloves are allowed. Charge fans to fight. Fans can bet on the winner. Good cash for the club.

Edit: Wrong forum.
Edited by SwavBhoy, 15 Sep 2017, 11:13 AM.
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