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Supporters/Green Brigade Thread; OBFA Act Repealed
Topic Started: 15 Aug 2017, 01:23 PM (325,772 Views)
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2 Sep 2017, 03:21 PM
Imagine having to tell your boss your up at court for wearibng a pro ira t shirt. What a riddy.
Imagine still thinking "riddy" is good patter.

Imagine looking at this situation and thinking what you've posted, rather than thinking how much a complete lot of shampooe it is that folk are ending up in court for wearing these t-shirts, on charges that everyone knows will be dropped. That's truly embarrassing.
Would you wear a ira t shirt to work a club or a pub doubt it. Think ill shove my isis t shirt on for the ross county game. Also imagine having stephen mahe as your username😂😋

ISIS bingo !!!

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2 Sep 2017, 03:53 PM
Let me get this right. You can sit in a pub in the West End and have a pint in this t-shirt but you can't wear it at a football match?

Probably not The Rosevale.

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2 Sep 2017, 08:14 PM
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Has anyone in the IRA ever worn one of these T-Shirts - asking for a friend ! :suspect:
Actually the Ra are currently going through a 'keep it busy; how much stuff can I cram on a shirt?' phase

http://www.sinnfeinbookshop.com/bobby-sands-remember-the-hunger-strikers-jersey/
I was looking at the t-shirts on that site, idly wondering which ones would put me at risk of being lifted if I wore them to the football. And the thing is: I genuinely don't know, and I'm a fecking lawyer. (Maybe not a very good one. Don't come to me for advice on t-shirts and the OBFA.)
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2 Sep 2017, 05:50 PM
jimbhoy0507
2 Sep 2017, 03:21 PM
Imagine having to tell your boss your up at court for wearibng a pro ira t shirt. What a riddy.
Imagine still thinking "riddy" is good patter.

Imagine looking at this situation and thinking what you've posted, rather than thinking how much a complete lot of shampooe it is that folk are ending up in court for wearing these t-shirts, on charges that everyone knows will be dropped. That's truly embarrassing.
Would you wear a ira t shirt to work a club or a pub doubt it. Think ill shove my isis t shirt on for the ross county game. Also imagine having stephen mahe as your username😂😋
You've got an ISIS t-shirt?
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I regularly sport my " up the ra" t shirt without any opposition so far.
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Dhogtanian
2 Sep 2017, 03:53 PM
Let me get this right. You can sit in a pub in the West End and have a pint in this t-shirt but you can't wear it at a football match?
You could wear it in the pub as long as

i) you weren't en route to or from the match and
ii) there wasn't a football match on TV in the pub.

Edited by PauloM, 4 Sep 2017, 01:42 AM.
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2 Sep 2017, 03:53 PM
Let me get this right. You can sit in a pub in the West End and have a pint in this t-shirt but you can't wear it at a football match?
You could wear it in the pub as long as

i) you weren't en route to or from the match and
ii) there wasn't a football match on TV in the pub.

So I could sit in a pub all day with that tshirt on with no problembut someone else with it on who pops in for a pint enroute to the game could get lifted?? That's ridiculous
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Would you wear a ira t shirt to work a club or a pub doubt it. Think ill shove my isis t shirt on for the ross county game. Also imagine having stephen mahe as your username😂😋

ISIS bingo !!!

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ISIS Deluxe on the Snes was a great game. ;)
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1 Sep 2017, 04:48 PM
A total of 12 fans now charged with wearing t-shirts that contravene the Offensive Behaviour at Football Act.

T-shirts.

All because two middle aged men had a short-lived argument.
It's actually 20 - and rising - for this, 30 pending cases in total for us under the legislation.

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1 Sep 2017, 04:48 PM
A total of 12 fans now charged with wearing t-shirts that contravene the Offensive Behaviour at Football Act.

T-shirts.

All because two middle aged men had a short-lived argument.
It's actually 20 - and rising - for this, 30 pending cases in total for us under the legislation.

Is there a way we can donate to the legal costs?
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4 Sep 2017, 09:13 AM
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Dhogtanian
2 Sep 2017, 03:53 PM
Let me get this right. You can sit in a pub in the West End and have a pint in this t-shirt but you can't wear it at a football match?
You could wear it in the pub as long as

i) you weren't en route to or from the match and
ii) there wasn't a football match on TV in the pub.

So I could sit in a pub all day with that tshirt on with no problembut someone else with it on who pops in for a pint enroute to the game could get lifted?? That's ridiculous
That's not correct. It is an offence to "wear an item of clothing in such a way or in such circumstances as to arouse reasonable suspicion that he is a member or supporter of a proscribed organisation."

It is an offence under section 13 of the Terrorism Act 2000, so it is entirely separate to the OFBATFA.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2000/11/section/13

The proscribed organisation is the IRA, there is no distinction with the PIRA.

There have been very few prosecutions under section 13, but this article refers to 2 of them:

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13184850.Marcher_caught_on_camera_in_IRA__uniform_/

I assumed that those wearing tshirts would be charged under the Terrorism Act (as it is much clearer and easier to prove). They may be charged under the OFBATFA as well, I really don't know as I haven't seen the summary complaints. And yes, I'm a lawyer too........
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Jack Thaler
1 Sep 2017, 04:48 PM
A total of 12 fans now charged with wearing t-shirts that contravene the Offensive Behaviour at Football Act.

T-shirts.

All because two middle aged men had a short-lived argument.
It's actually 20 - and rising - for this, 30 pending cases in total for us under the legislation.

Is there a way we can donate to the legal costs?
Donations can be made to the following paypal address:

greenbrigade@hotmail.co.uk

Failing that then we also accept cash donations at games or in the CSA, London Road where you will also find our merchandise.

Vast majority of our funds are basically legal costs at the moment so I wouldn't even worry about specificying that if donating!

Thank you to all those who have donated already, its a massive help and boost for us.
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So I could sit in a pub all day with that tshirt on with no problembut someone else with it on who pops in for a pint enroute to the game could get lifted?? That's ridiculous
That's not correct. It is an offence to "wear an item of clothing in such a way or in such circumstances as to arouse reasonable suspicion that he is a member or supporter of a proscribed organisation."

It is an offence under section 13 of the Terrorism Act 2000, so it is entirely separate to the OFBATFA.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2000/11/section/13

The proscribed organisation is the IRA, there is no distinction with the PIRA.

There have been very few prosecutions under section 13, but this article refers to 2 of them:

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13184850.Marcher_caught_on_camera_in_IRA__uniform_/

I assumed that those wearing tshirts would be charged under the Terrorism Act (as it is much clearer and easier to prove). They may be charged under the OFBATFA as well, I really don't know as I haven't seen the summary complaints. And yes, I'm a lawyer too........
they've been charged under the OBFA only under offensive images as far as i know, MacBhoy will know more.
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So I could sit in a pub all day with that tshirt on with no problembut someone else with it on who pops in for a pint enroute to the game could get lifted?? That's ridiculous
That's not correct. It is an offence to "wear an item of clothing in such a way or in such circumstances as to arouse reasonable suspicion that he is a member or supporter of a proscribed organisation."

It is an offence under section 13 of the Terrorism Act 2000, so it is entirely separate to the OFBATFA.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2000/11/section/13

The proscribed organisation is the IRA, there is no distinction with the PIRA.

There have been very few prosecutions under section 13, but this article refers to 2 of them:

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13184850.Marcher_caught_on_camera_in_IRA__uniform_/

I assumed that those wearing tshirts would be charged under the Terrorism Act (as it is much clearer and easier to prove). They may be charged under the OFBATFA as well, I really don't know as I haven't seen the summary complaints. And yes, I'm a lawyer too........
The number of lawyers on this board is proof positive that anti-Irish discrimination is no more. Unless you are Neil Lennon.
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That's not correct. It is an offence to "wear an item of clothing in such a way or in such circumstances as to arouse reasonable suspicion that he is a member or supporter of a proscribed organisation."

It is an offence under section 13 of the Terrorism Act 2000, so it is entirely separate to the OFBATFA.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2000/11/section/13

The proscribed organisation is the IRA, there is no distinction with the PIRA.

There have been very few prosecutions under section 13, but this article refers to 2 of them:

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13184850.Marcher_caught_on_camera_in_IRA__uniform_/

I assumed that those wearing tshirts would be charged under the Terrorism Act (as it is much clearer and easier to prove). They may be charged under the OFBATFA as well, I really don't know as I haven't seen the summary complaints. And yes, I'm a lawyer too........
they've been charged under the OBFA only under offensive images as far as i know, MacBhoy will know more.
They won't dare to call them terrorists, while they.....you know the rest.
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That's not correct. It is an offence to "wear an item of clothing in such a way or in such circumstances as to arouse reasonable suspicion that he is a member or supporter of a proscribed organisation."

It is an offence under section 13 of the Terrorism Act 2000, so it is entirely separate to the OFBATFA.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2000/11/section/13

The proscribed organisation is the IRA, there is no distinction with the PIRA.

There have been very few prosecutions under section 13, but this article refers to 2 of them:

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13184850.Marcher_caught_on_camera_in_IRA__uniform_/

I assumed that those wearing tshirts would be charged under the Terrorism Act (as it is much clearer and easier to prove). They may be charged under the OFBATFA as well, I really don't know as I haven't seen the summary complaints. And yes, I'm a lawyer too........
they've been charged under the OBFA only under offensive images as far as i know, MacBhoy will know more.
If they are only charged under the OFBATFA they are very lucky. Much more likely to be found not guilty or have it dropped pre trial. If they are charged under the Terrorism Act, their chances of being convicted are much higher. I know that the press have only reported that they are charged under the OFBATFA, but I have no faith that the press reports are correct!
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That's not correct. It is an offence to "wear an item of clothing in such a way or in such circumstances as to arouse reasonable suspicion that he is a member or supporter of a proscribed organisation."

It is an offence under section 13 of the Terrorism Act 2000, so it is entirely separate to the OFBATFA.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2000/11/section/13

The proscribed organisation is the IRA, there is no distinction with the PIRA.

There have been very few prosecutions under section 13, but this article refers to 2 of them:

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13184850.Marcher_caught_on_camera_in_IRA__uniform_/

I assumed that those wearing tshirts would be charged under the Terrorism Act (as it is much clearer and easier to prove). They may be charged under the OFBATFA as well, I really don't know as I haven't seen the summary complaints. And yes, I'm a lawyer too........
The number of lawyers on this board is proof positive that anti-Irish discrimination is no more.

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FAIL
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Oh well..... Celtic, whilst a club open to all, has traditionally been supported by an immigrant, particularly (though not exclusively) Irish, RC demographic. and their descendants. This demographic has historically been discriminated against, though changes in the last several decades in discrimination laws and employment practices combined with free higher education has meant that descendants of modern Irish immigrants find themselves well represented in the traditional professions. Some people-though not me-would therefore suggest that anti-Irish racism is no more. Indeed this very argument has been made on this board frequently. Usually by someone who has built a successful professional life. A bit like (but not exactly like)--a black man has become president therefore there is equality in the US for black people.

On Fridays, after I've had a few drinks Frankie Boyle phones me and asks me for some one-liners. I never have to explain them.
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepreasonable suspicion that he is a member or supporter of a proscribed organisation."

It is an offence under section 13 of the Terrorism Act 2000, so it is entirely separate to the OFBATFA.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2000/11/section/13

The proscribed organisation is the IRA, there is no distinction with the PIRA.

There have been very few prosecutions under section 13, but this article refers to 2 of them:

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13184850.Marcher_caught_on_camera_in_IRA__uniform_/

I assumed that those wearing tshirts would be charged under the Terrorism Act (as it is much clearer and easier to prove). They may be charged under the OFBATFA as well, I really don't know as I haven't seen the summary complaints. And yes, I'm a lawyer too........
they've been charged under the OBFA only under offensive images as far as i know, MacBhoy will know more.
If they are only charged under the OFBATFA they are very lucky. Much more likely to be found not guilty or have it dropped pre trial. If they are charged under the Terrorism Act, their chances of being convicted are much higher. I know that the press have only reported that they are charged under the OFBATFA, but I have no faith that the press reports are correct!
Whilst the football legislation remains they are far more likely to get a conviction under it than under the Terrorism Act.

The football legislation is designed so that we don't have a leg to stand on - is it offensive? Well yes it will be to some, which is all that matters in the eyes of the law. It's far more difficult to defend which is why the law is absurd and unfair and will be repealed eventually. As football fans and as an ultras group a key part of what we do is based on offending the opposition/opposition fans - that should not be a crime.

Is it in support of a terrorist organisation? Absolutely not and that would be proven.

The flip side is the Terror Act has far worse stigma attached in terms of media and your employer. Regardless of the outcome our members are once again in the public domain and going through the same old disruption in private and work lives. One of our members currently has three pending cases under the football legislation (a common tactic and theme) and the Sheriff said he was luck to be not be remanded.

The full thing is absurd and the sooner the football legislation goes the better.
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