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| Supporters/Green Brigade Thread; OBFA Act Repealed | |
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| Topic Started: 15 Aug 2017, 01:23 PM (325,772 Views) | |
| Oscar Strummer | 2 Sep 2017, 09:24 PM Post #561 |
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The Artist Formerly Known As lubomir25
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ISIS bingo !!! |
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| Oscar Strummer | 2 Sep 2017, 09:25 PM Post #562 |
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Probably not The Rosevale. |
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| legal_man | 2 Sep 2017, 11:32 PM Post #563 |
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I was looking at the t-shirts on that site, idly wondering which ones would put me at risk of being lifted if I wore them to the football. And the thing is: I genuinely don't know, and I'm a fecking lawyer. (Maybe not a very good one. Don't come to me for advice on t-shirts and the OBFA.) |
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| Paulo1986 | 3 Sep 2017, 04:06 AM Post #564 |
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You've got an ISIS t-shirt? |
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| GencoA | 3 Sep 2017, 04:41 AM Post #565 |
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First team training
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I regularly sport my " up the ra" t shirt without any opposition so far. |
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| PauloM | 4 Sep 2017, 01:00 AM Post #566 |
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You could wear it in the pub as long as i) you weren't en route to or from the match and ii) there wasn't a football match on TV in the pub. Edited by PauloM, 4 Sep 2017, 01:42 AM.
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| niall | 4 Sep 2017, 09:13 AM Post #567 |
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So I could sit in a pub all day with that tshirt on with no problembut someone else with it on who pops in for a pint enroute to the game could get lifted?? That's ridiculous |
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| Luca | 4 Sep 2017, 09:15 AM Post #568 |
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Off treasure hunting in Holland
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ISIS Deluxe on the Snes was a great game.
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| mac_bhoy | 4 Sep 2017, 11:44 AM Post #569 |
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Until The Last Rebel
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It's actually 20 - and rising - for this, 30 pending cases in total for us under the legislation. |
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| Luigi | 4 Sep 2017, 11:56 AM Post #570 |
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Is there a way we can donate to the legal costs? |
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| Box Player CSC | 4 Sep 2017, 12:20 PM Post #571 |
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That's not correct. It is an offence to "wear an item of clothing in such a way or in such circumstances as to arouse reasonable suspicion that he is a member or supporter of a proscribed organisation." It is an offence under section 13 of the Terrorism Act 2000, so it is entirely separate to the OFBATFA. http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2000/11/section/13 The proscribed organisation is the IRA, there is no distinction with the PIRA. There have been very few prosecutions under section 13, but this article refers to 2 of them: http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13184850.Marcher_caught_on_camera_in_IRA__uniform_/ I assumed that those wearing tshirts would be charged under the Terrorism Act (as it is much clearer and easier to prove). They may be charged under the OFBATFA as well, I really don't know as I haven't seen the summary complaints. And yes, I'm a lawyer too........ |
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| mac_bhoy | 4 Sep 2017, 12:28 PM Post #572 |
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Donations can be made to the following paypal address: greenbrigade@hotmail.co.uk Failing that then we also accept cash donations at games or in the CSA, London Road where you will also find our merchandise. Vast majority of our funds are basically legal costs at the moment so I wouldn't even worry about specificying that if donating! Thank you to all those who have donated already, its a massive help and boost for us. |
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| Bryan67 | 4 Sep 2017, 12:30 PM Post #573 |
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holding Garry Pendrey's clip board
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they've been charged under the OBFA only under offensive images as far as i know, MacBhoy will know more. |
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| exiledinstonehaventim | 4 Sep 2017, 12:33 PM Post #574 |
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The number of lawyers on this board is proof positive that anti-Irish discrimination is no more. Unless you are Neil Lennon. |
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| exiledinstonehaventim | 4 Sep 2017, 12:36 PM Post #575 |
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They won't dare to call them terrorists, while they.....you know the rest. |
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| Box Player CSC | 4 Sep 2017, 12:46 PM Post #576 |
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If they are only charged under the OFBATFA they are very lucky. Much more likely to be found not guilty or have it dropped pre trial. If they are charged under the Terrorism Act, their chances of being convicted are much higher. I know that the press have only reported that they are charged under the OFBATFA, but I have no faith that the press reports are correct! |
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| Oscar Strummer | 4 Sep 2017, 12:47 PM Post #577 |
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| exiledinstonehaventim | 4 Sep 2017, 12:52 PM Post #578 |
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FAIL
Edited by exiledinstonehaventim, 4 Sep 2017, 12:53 PM.
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| exiledinstonehaventim | 4 Sep 2017, 01:00 PM Post #579 |
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Oh well..... Celtic, whilst a club open to all, has traditionally been supported by an immigrant, particularly (though not exclusively) Irish, RC demographic. and their descendants. This demographic has historically been discriminated against, though changes in the last several decades in discrimination laws and employment practices combined with free higher education has meant that descendants of modern Irish immigrants find themselves well represented in the traditional professions. Some people-though not me-would therefore suggest that anti-Irish racism is no more. Indeed this very argument has been made on this board frequently. Usually by someone who has built a successful professional life. A bit like (but not exactly like)--a black man has become president therefore there is equality in the US for black people. On Fridays, after I've had a few drinks Frankie Boyle phones me and asks me for some one-liners. I never have to explain them. |
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| mac_bhoy | 4 Sep 2017, 03:59 PM Post #580 |
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Whilst the football legislation remains they are far more likely to get a conviction under it than under the Terrorism Act. The football legislation is designed so that we don't have a leg to stand on - is it offensive? Well yes it will be to some, which is all that matters in the eyes of the law. It's far more difficult to defend which is why the law is absurd and unfair and will be repealed eventually. As football fans and as an ultras group a key part of what we do is based on offending the opposition/opposition fans - that should not be a crime. Is it in support of a terrorist organisation? Absolutely not and that would be proven. The flip side is the Terror Act has far worse stigma attached in terms of media and your employer. Regardless of the outcome our members are once again in the public domain and going through the same old disruption in private and work lives. One of our members currently has three pending cases under the football legislation (a common tactic and theme) and the Sheriff said he was luck to be not be remanded. The full thing is absurd and the sooner the football legislation goes the better. |
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