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21 Aug 2017, 11:46 AM
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Got talking to a polis at the weekend. According to her, the biggest problem (or risk as the polis like to call them) element in the Celtic support are the SMV. If there's any bother she says, then it'll be them causing it. Also said dthat the polis keep a kind of league table re the behaviour of supporters, worst being top of the league. Hun support clear at the top, followed by Hibs then Celtic, closely followed by Falkirk  and Dunfermline Who is SMV? Genuine question.
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21 Aug 2017, 11:48 AM
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Got talking to a polis at the weekend. According to her, the biggest problem (or risk as the polis like to call them) element in the Celtic support are the SMV. If there's any bother she says, then it'll be them causing it. Also said dthat the polis keep a kind of league table re the behaviour of supporters, worst being top of the league. Hun support clear at the top, followed by Hibs then Celtic, closely followed by Falkirk  and Dunfermline
Who is SMV? Genuine question. Now known as "The Bhoys" sit in the jock stein corner.
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21 Aug 2017, 11:48 AM
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It's mental. If people want to have a go at the GB for one of their displays, fair enough. But it's ridiculous to have a go at them for something that wasn't in their display. If anyone wanted an LGBT flag against Linfield, they could easily have taken one themselves. Don't blame other people for not doing it on your behalf.
For what its worth, I'm pretty positive that we would be the only section of Celtic Park to ever display a Gay Pride flag also. As with everything we do, we make decisions based around what is the right thing for us to do in what best represents our group and what we think also represents other fans or A small squad of around 15 bodies, ranging in age from 16-30, gave up their Friday night to make a Gay Pride banner for the weekend. Don't you mean a small active service unit?
Joking aside, I have great admiration for most of what the GB do and appreciate the effort that goes into creating that atmosphere at the ground.
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21 Aug 2017, 11:49 AM
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For what its worth, I'm pretty positive that we would be the only section of Celtic Park to ever display a Gay Pride flag also. As with everything we do, we make decisions based around what is the right thing for us to do in what best represents our group and what we think also represents other fans or should represent our club. Sometimes that's not popular and we get inevitable stick, however we will always be true to ourselves and we've never not had significant support from other fans for any action we've done. It's a bit cheap though for some to criticise us for not doing something when they have zero intention of doing anything themselves. As Brendan rightfully pointed out last week, what we do requires an awful lot of time/commitment/effort which most will never fully realise nor be willing to make a fraction of themselves. A small squad of around 15 bodies, ranging in age from 16-30, gave up their Friday night to make a Gay Pride banner for the weekend. That's not exactly a common activity for most young guys from Glasgow on a Friday night - in fact in most circles you'd probably be slagged for it. It's an important education for young boys coming through our group, all the young boys who flock around us and hopefully many many more who noticed the banner and were made to think about the message/subject. I grew up using homophobic patter thinking nothing of it, it was just the done thing at that time with no malice behind it. It was becoming involved in the Green Brigade that first made me think about it and we have the same influence across so many young boys in/around our group, same with other forms of casual discrimination. And it doesn't just stop at people knowing not to use the terms either as most go further by challenging others when its being used and educating them on why it's wrong.
Can you see there being any more pride banners within the GB section the rest of the season or is it a pride-day only kinda deal? Really chuffed with the GB for displaying it either ways. I wouldn’t image so tbh unless there’s someone who is that way inclined to make a point of taking one. I can only ever remember the Pride flag being in our section a few times in around 11 years – the important point is that it is welcome and anyone inclined to bring it should know that and feel comfortable to display it. I’m not going to kid on we’re some champion of LGBT rights ‘cause we’re not at all, we simply made a small statement on something we believe to be right.
We’re a left wing group who preach left wing values and oppose discrimination. We don’t jump on every cause or subject, we will select certain actions to highlight certain issues where we see it as necessary. Pride was highlighted as it was Pride weekend and more importantly for us it was an issue which we had never made a public statement on which is a self-criticism as much as anything else.
For years we actually invited an LGBT team to take part in our annual anti-discrimination football tournament but we were always patched – a common theme with some ‘left’ groups in Glasgow though.
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21 Aug 2017, 11:51 AM
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The only noticeable opposition to them is online... Surely even you don't believe that? I forgot to put my comment card into the receptacles after an away game where I can register my disappointment with the smoke bombs!!
Considering there's no way to measure opinion I base it on the immediate reaction/feedback you can see and hear at the time - I go to every game, certainly domestic anyway, and have never noticed a negative response beyond a comment or moan from someone directly next to one which is understandable. Beyond that from speaking to people at games, on buses, in pubs etc. Particularly a wider and different demographic to those I'd associate with at games - again, never had any vehement opposition. I've seen more opposition to blocking views with banners than I have to pyro. If a crowd of football supporters were not happy with something then they would clearly voice that and show it. I totally believe the issue of pyro is blown out of proportion and the internet is the reason for that. Maybe this could be an occasion to speak to a smaller group of people, rather than the wider support. I'm thinking like the Disabled Supporters Association. I think the banner at the weekend was great, but by disregarding specific pleas from people whose health is affected by the inhalation of smoke from pyro, people who use them (GB or not) are ignoring the absolute fact that people can get ill from breathing it in.
The statement from the DSCA was pretty clear.
‘We appeal to those people who bring flares to games, and those who know people that do, to stop and think of the consequences as you have no control over the direction that the smoke will go. ´Many of our members have respiratory illnesses or respiratory limitations because of their disabilities including at least one member who is on a portable ventilator. ´If any of these Celtic Supporters, including myself, were to inhale a small amount of the smoke there would be extremely serious health repercussions which would come on very quickly. ´We do not want to find a disabled Celtic supporter, or any other supporter, hospitalised because of someone´s idea of fun. And we certainly do not want to find that it takes a fatality before this practice stops. So we appeal to you, don´t let this happen to your fellow Celtic supporters.´ Peter Joyce Chairman Celtic Disabled Supporters' Association (CDSA)'
I know when people are young and fit it can be hard to put themselves in other people's shoes, but when it comes to something that isn't a matter for taste, or politics, or opinion, but about their right to breath air as fresh as living in a city allows, then this is a view that should be respected, whether flares look good or not.
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21 Aug 2017, 11:55 AM
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Smoke bombs have never really bothered me - and my wee fella adores them. However on Saturday one was let off directly beside a guy who's recently had a pace maker refitted. He struggled after this and was chalk-white at half time when I went down to see him. Kind of changed my view of their use. Fair enough if they're let off in a section full of like minded fans - ok you can't control the secondary effects but at least it's not dropped directly beside someone vulnerable. But to drop it beside someone who you have no idea of their health is extremely selfish imho.
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21 Aug 2017, 12:14 PM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deep The only noticeable opposition to them is online...
Surely even you don't believe that?
I forgot to put my comment card into the receptacles after an away game where I can register my disappointment with the smoke bombs!!
Considering there's no way to measure opinion I base it on the immediate reaction/feedback you can see and hear at the time - I go to every game, certainly domestic anyway, and have never noticed a negative response beyond a comment or moan from someone directly next to one which is understandable. Beyond that from speaking to people at games, on buses, in pubs etc. Particularly a wider and different demographic to those I'd associate with at games - again, never had any vehement opposition. I've seen more opposition to blocking views with banners than I have to pyro. If a crowd of football supporters were not happy with something then they would clearly voice that and show it. I totally believe the issue of pyro is blown out of proportion and the internet is the reason for that.
Maybe this could be an occasion to speak to a smaller group of people, rather than the wider support. I'm thinking like the Disabled Supporters Association. I think the banner at the weekend was great, but by disregarding specific pleas from people whose health is affected by the inhalation of smoke from pyro, people who use them (GB or not) are ignoring the absolute fact that people can get ill from breathing it in. The statement from the DSCA was pretty clear. ‘We appeal to those people who bring flares to games, and those who know people that do, to stop and think of the consequences as you have no control over the direction that the smoke will go. ´Many of our members have respiratory illnesses or respiratory limitations because of their disabilities including at least one member who is on a portable ventilator. ´If any of these Celtic Supporters, including myself, were to inhale a small amount of the smoke there would be extremely serious health repercussions which would come on very quickly. ´We do not want to find a disabled Celtic supporter, or any other supporter, hospitalised because of someone´s idea of fun. And we certainly do not want to find that it takes a fatality before this practice stops. So we appeal to you, don´t let this happen to your fellow Celtic supporters.´ Peter Joyce Chairman Celtic Disabled Supporters' Association (CDSA)' I know when people are young and fit it can be hard to put themselves in other people's shoes, but when it comes to something that isn't a matter for taste, or politics, or opinion, but about their right to breath air as fresh as living in a city allows, then this is a view that should be respected, whether flares look good or not. Plus some sort of solution for those poor fans in the disabled front rows who get soaked every second week...Hearts game was literally 4 seasons in one day two weeks ago and they got soaked.
Happens all the time due to our weather!
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21 Aug 2017, 12:24 PM
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Got talking to a polis at the weekend. According to her, the biggest problem (or risk as the polis like to call them) element in the Celtic support are the SMV. If there's any bother she says, then it'll be them causing it. Also said dthat the polis keep a kind of league table re the behaviour of supporters, worst being top of the league. Hun support clear at the top, followed by Hibs then Celtic, closely followed by Falkirk  and Dunfermline
Who is SMV? Genuine question. Style Mile Vandals probably the best name to come out of Glasgow since the feared Pollok Bushwackers.
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21 Aug 2017, 01:11 PM
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It's mental. If people want to have a go at the GB for one of their displays, fair enough. But it's ridiculous to have a go at them for something that wasn't in their display. If anyone wanted an LGBT flag against Linfield, they could easily have taken one themselves. Don't blame other people for not doing it on your behalf.
For what its worth, I'm pretty positive that we would be the only section of Celtic Park to ever display a Gay Pride flag also. As with everything we do, we make decisions based around what is the right thing for us to do in what best represents our group and what we think also represents other fans or should represent our club. Sometimes that's not popular and we get inevitable stick, however we will always be true to ourselves and we've never not had significant support from other fans for any action we've done. It's a bit cheap though for some to criticise us for not doing something when they have zero intention of doing anything themselves. As Brendan rightfully pointed out last week, what we do requires an awful lot of time/commitment/effort which most will never fully realise nor be willing to make a fraction of themselves. A small squad of around 15 bodies, ranging in age from 16-30, gave up their Friday night to make a Gay Pride banner for the weekend. That's not exactly a common activity for most young guys from Glasgow on a Friday night - in fact in most circles you'd probably be slagged for it. It's an important education for young boys coming through our group, all the young boys who flock around us and hopefully many many more who noticed the banner and were made to think about the message/subject. I grew up using homophobic patter thinking nothing of it, it was just the done thing at that time with no malice behind it. It was becoming involved in the Green Brigade that first made me think about it and we have the same influence across so many young boys in/around our group, same with other forms of casual discrimination. And it doesn't just stop at people knowing not to use the terms either as most go further by challenging others when its being used and educating them on why it's wrong.
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21 Aug 2017, 01:13 PM
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For what its worth, I'm pretty positive that we would be the only section of Celtic Park to ever display a Gay Pride flag also. As with everything we do, we make decisions based around what is the right thing for us to do in what best represents our group and what we think also represents other fans or should represent our club. Sometimes that's not popular and we get inevitable stick, however we will always be true to ourselves and we've never not had significant support from other fans for any action we've done. It's a bit cheap though for some to criticise us for not doing something when they have zero intention of doing anything themselves. As Brendan rightfully pointed out last week, what we do requires an awful lot of time/commitment/effort which most will never fully realise nor be willing to make a fraction of themselves. A small squad of around 15 bodies, ranging in age from 16-30, gave up their Friday night to make a Gay Pride banner for the weekend. That's not exactly a common activity for most young guys from Glasgow on a Friday night - in fact in most circles you'd probably be slagged for it. It's an important education for young boys coming through our group, all the young boys who flock around us and hopefully many many more who noticed the banner and were made to think about the message/subject. I grew up using homophobic patter thinking nothing of it, it was just the done thing at that time with no malice behind it. It was becoming involved in the Green Brigade that first made me think about it and we have the same influence across so many young boys in/around our group, same with other forms of casual discrimination. And it doesn't just stop at people knowing not to use the terms either as most go further by challenging others when its being used and educating them on why it's wrong.
Can you see there being any more pride banners within the GB section the rest of the season or is it a pride-day only kinda deal? Really chuffed with the GB for displaying it either ways. There's a rainbow flag appears in their section most weeks
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The gay pride banner reflected well on Celtic and the GB; the provo banner(s) reflected badly on Celtic and the GB.
I would imagine that would be the majority opinion among the fans. It certainly appears to be Brendan Rodgers opinion.
I doubt anyone would argue that 95% of the time the GB are a marvelous asset to Celtic.
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21 Aug 2017, 01:51 PM
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The gay pride banner reflected well on Celtic and the GB; the provo banner(s) reflected badly on Celtic and the GB.
I would imagine that would be the majority opinion among the fans. It certainly appears to be Brendan Rodgers opinion.
I doubt anyone would argue that 95% of the time the GB are a marvelous asset to Celtic. Did Rodgers comment on the Gay Pride banner? Missed it if he did.
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For what its worth, I'm pretty positive that we would be the only section of Celtic Park to ever display a Gay Pride flag also. As with everything we do, we make decisions based around what is the right thing for us to do in what best represents our group and what we think also represents other fans or should represent our club. Sometimes that's not popular and we get inevitable stick, however we will always be true to ourselves and we've never not had significant support from other fans for any action we've done. It's a bit cheap though for some to criticise us for not doing something when they have zero intention of doing anything themselves. As Brendan rightfully pointed out last week, what we do requires an awful lot of time/commitment/effort which most will never fully realise nor be willing to make a fraction of themselves. A small squad of around 15 bodies, ranging in age from 16-30, gave up their Friday night to make a Gay Pride banner for the weekend. That's not exactly a common activity for most young guys from Glasgow on a Friday night - in fact in most circles you'd probably be slagged for it. It's an important education for young boys coming through our group, all the young boys who flock around us and hopefully many many more who noticed the banner and were made to think about the message/subject. I grew up using homophobic patter thinking nothing of it, it was just the done thing at that time with no malice behind it. It was becoming involved in the Green Brigade that first made me think about it and we have the same influence across so many young boys in/around our group, same with other forms of casual discrimination. And it doesn't just stop at people knowing not to use the terms either as most go further by challenging others when its being used and educating them on why it's wrong.
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Smoke bombs have never really bothered me - and my wee fella adores them. However on Saturday one was let off directly beside a guy who's recently had a pace maker refitted. He struggled after this and was chalk-white at half time when I went down to see him. Kind of changed my view of their use. Fair enough if they're let off in a section full of like minded fans - ok you can't control the secondary effects but at least it's not dropped directly beside someone vulnerable. But to drop it beside someone who you have no idea of their health is extremely selfish imho. ' If yer no fit for Pyros, yer no fit for Celtic!!! Until the last Rebel!!! ' MacBhoy.....
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Smoke bombs have never really bothered me - and my wee fella adores them. However on Saturday one was let off directly beside a guy who's recently had a pace maker refitted. He struggled after this and was chalk-white at half time when I went down to see him. Kind of changed my view of their use. Fair enough if they're let off in a section full of like minded fans - ok you can't control the secondary effects but at least it's not dropped directly beside someone vulnerable. But to drop it beside someone who you have no idea of their health is extremely selfish imho. I was in the Moffat and there must have been about 4 or 5 let off. Breathing that stuff in, isn't good.
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Smoke bombs have never really bothered me - and my wee fella adores them. However on Saturday one was let off directly beside a guy who's recently had a pace maker refitted. He struggled after this and was chalk-white at half time when I went down to see him. Kind of changed my view of their use. Fair enough if they're let off in a section full of like minded fans - ok you can't control the secondary effects but at least it's not dropped directly beside someone vulnerable. But to drop it beside someone who you have no idea of their health is extremely selfish imho.
I was in the Moffat and there must have been about 4 or 5 let off. Breathing that stuff in, isn't good. Am I correct in thinking that a smoke bomb is against the law as it is classed as an explosive and so if you get done then it's a much worse offence than just breach?
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Smoke bombs have never really bothered me - and my wee fella adores them. However on Saturday one was let off directly beside a guy who's recently had a pace maker refitted. He struggled after this and was chalk-white at half time when I went down to see him. Kind of changed my view of their use. Fair enough if they're let off in a section full of like minded fans - ok you can't control the secondary effects but at least it's not dropped directly beside someone vulnerable. But to drop it beside someone who you have no idea of their health is extremely selfish imho.
I was in the Moffat and there must have been about 4 or 5 let off. Breathing that stuff in, isn't good. They are honking in every way and do nothing for any atmosphere in any stadium.
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They added to the atmosphere at the Hearts game for sure.
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Got talking to a polis at the weekend. According to her, the biggest problem (or risk as the polis like to call them) element in the Celtic support are the SMV. If there's any bother she says, then it'll be them causing it. Also said dthat the polis keep a kind of league table re the behaviour of supporters, worst being top of the league. Hun support clear at the top, followed by Hibs then Celtic, closely followed by Falkirk  and Dunfermline
Who is SMV? Genuine question.
Style Mile Vandals probably the best name to come out of Glasgow since the feared Pollok Bushwackers. Cant top the ERL easterhouse rocket launchers
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Smoke bombs have never really bothered me - and my wee fella adores them. However on Saturday one was let off directly beside a guy who's recently had a pace maker refitted. He struggled after this and was chalk-white at half time when I went down to see him. Kind of changed my view of their use. Fair enough if they're let off in a section full of like minded fans - ok you can't control the secondary effects but at least it's not dropped directly beside someone vulnerable. But to drop it beside someone who you have no idea of their health is extremely selfish imho.
I was in the Moffat and there must have been about 4 or 5 let off. Breathing that stuff in, isn't good.
Am I correct in thinking that a smoke bomb is against the law as it is classed as an explosive and so if you get done then it's a much worse offence than just breach? Couldn't answer that I'm afraid.
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