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Supporters/Green Brigade Thread; OBFA Act Repealed
Topic Started: 15 Aug 2017, 01:23 PM (325,634 Views)
Ron Swanson
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http://www.parliament.scot/parliamentarybusiness/report.aspx?r=6439&mode=pdf

Page 23 Col. 255, the discussion on all things not being “even”.
Edited by Ron Swanson, 21 Mar 2018, 11:19 AM.
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21 Mar 2018, 11:02 AM
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20 Mar 2018, 09:14 PM
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20 Mar 2018, 08:56 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
http://www.celtictrust.net/index.php?func=d_home_article&id=291

https://dilzybhoy.wordpress.com/tag/christine-grahame/

Those were the first two ones that came up. But Google and you'll no doubt find more references.

She has also been accused of making sectarian comments.
I'd already found those. Those are celtic sites making accusations - just like this one. Not proof in themselves
And as you say - she has been 'accused' - which was by a disgruntled employee who was sacked fro gross misconduct.
:lol:
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Ron Swanson
21 Mar 2018, 11:19 AM
http://www.parliament.scot/parliamentarybusiness/report.aspx?r=6439&mode=pdf

Page 23 Col. 255, the discussion on all things not being “even”.
She was just trying to be fair and anyone in Stockholm can see that.
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20 Mar 2018, 09:59 PM
Isn't it strange that the Scottish Media don't seem to deem it to be 'shocking' when it belted out in Mordor every home game ?
I suppose the fact it's in Rome, where the Pope has a house, gives it a different angle.

Plus the fact we're regularly told that your rugby fan is a breed apart from the neanderthal football fan and can be trusted to turn their car into a bar before the game without it descending into a rammy.

Then wouldn't you know it, it seems some of these middle class egg chasers suffer from that same 90-minute bigot syndrome and the rugger is a jolly good way of letting off some steam aster a hard week bagging pheasant.
The rugby winkers arent so bad, they are only 80 minute bigots. ;)
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21 Mar 2018, 12:27 PM
Ron Swanson
21 Mar 2018, 11:19 AM
http://www.parliament.scot/parliamentarybusiness/report.aspx?r=6439&mode=pdf

Page 23 Col. 255, the discussion on all things not being “even”.
She was just trying to be fair and anyone in Stockholm can see that.
From the link.

The Convener: Yes, I know; I accept that.
Do you therefore accept my premise that prosecutions under the 2003 act will be more successful in relation to Rangers supporters singing—notwithstanding the point that the songs are not all sectarian—than Celtic supporters singing, behaving in a certain way or chanting, because that would not be deemed sectarian and would be more likely to be deemed political?
Professor Devine: I do not understand your point—
The Convener: My point is that it is not even.

If remember correctly it was also televised in part on the Scottish news.
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Willie Wonka
21 Mar 2018, 12:47 PM
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21 Mar 2018, 12:27 PM
Ron Swanson
21 Mar 2018, 11:19 AM
http://www.parliament.scot/parliamentarybusiness/report.aspx?r=6439&mode=pdf

Page 23 Col. 255, the discussion on all things not being “even”.
She was just trying to be fair and anyone in Stockholm can see that.
From the link.

The Convener: Yes, I know; I accept that.
Do you therefore accept my premise that prosecutions under the 2003 act will be more successful in relation to Rangers supporters singing—notwithstanding the point that the songs are not all sectarian—than Celtic supporters singing, behaving in a certain way or chanting, because that would not be deemed sectarian and would be more likely to be deemed political?
Professor Devine: I do not understand your point—
The Convener: My point is that it is not even.

If remember correctly it was also televised in part on the Scottish news.
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21 Mar 2018, 12:47 PM
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21 Mar 2018, 12:27 PM
Ron Swanson
21 Mar 2018, 11:19 AM
http://www.parliament.scot/parliamentarybusiness/report.aspx?r=6439&mode=pdf

Page 23 Col. 255, the discussion on all things not being “even”.
She was just trying to be fair and anyone in Stockholm can see that.
From the link.

The Convener: Yes, I know; I accept that.
Do you therefore accept my premise that prosecutions under the 2003 act will be more successful in relation to Rangers supporters singing—notwithstanding the point that the songs are not all sectarian—than Celtic supporters singing, behaving in a certain way or chanting, because that would not be deemed sectarian and would be more likely to be deemed political?
Professor Devine: I do not understand your point—
The Convener: My point is that it is not even.

If remember correctly it was also televised in part on the Scottish news.
I know. I was making a point for that poster in Stockholm who thinks the law was well-intentioned.
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Ned Rise
21 Mar 2018, 12:27 PM
Ron Swanson
21 Mar 2018, 11:19 AM
http://www.parliament.scot/parliamentarybusiness/report.aspx?r=6439&mode=pdf

Page 23 Col. 255, the discussion on all things not being “even”.
She was just trying to be fair and anyone in Stockholm can see that.
Stockholm syndrome indeed

It’s an interesting insight into the mindset of the politicians who passed the Act.

They start from a position that it has to be “even”. And if objective reality doesn’t support that position then it has to be changed

This was about 2 things. Giving the Police exactly what they wanted. And maintaining the narrative that Scotland has a 2 sides of the same coin “sectarian” problem.

Huge thanks are due to all of those who made the repeal happen. But I worry about what comes next, I don’t see them taking this defeat well.
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20 Mar 2018, 07:08 PM
Christine Grahame.
I chinned her outside Ibrox not long after that. She was standing outside the Broomloan with two high ranked coppers in uniform. I probably slurred my words, but I think she got the gist of it.
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Ron Swanson
21 Mar 2018, 11:19 AM
http://www.parliament.scot/parliamentarybusiness/report.aspx?r=6439&mode=pdf

Page 23 Col. 255, the discussion on all things not being “even”.
P254, Professor Devine:
"What is the logical
reason, therefore, for spreading the legislation?
One of the toughest and most robust areas of
offensive behaviour legislation is anti-racism
legislation. We have that already. I go back to the
intellectual conundrum: why do the legal officers
wish to extend that into other areas? They are
perhaps areas of legitimate concern, but they are
particularly controversial and ambiguous and ones
in which the legal process could perhaps even end
up looking like an ass."

How prescient of the Professor. On TV, I remember seeing him often look exasperated with the convener that day...
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21 Mar 2018, 11:02 AM
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20 Mar 2018, 08:56 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
http://www.celtictrust.net/index.php?func=d_home_article&id=291

https://dilzybhoy.wordpress.com/tag/christine-grahame/

Those were the first two ones that came up. But Google and you'll no doubt find more references.

She has also been accused of making sectarian comments.
I'd already found those. Those are celtic sites making accusations - just like this one. Not proof in themselves
And as you say - she has been 'accused' - which was by a disgruntled employee who was sacked fro gross misconduct.
Are you taking the effing piss?

You had a debate with half of the board yesterday over this exact issue, and over the comments she made. You then argued the toss about it, denying that the act was setup to even the score and spent half the day defending it. Someone even posted a link to the report, including the exact page of the report that contained the forementioned comment, and now you are asking for people to link you to that quote?

Even though you were arguing about the content, you either didn't read it (likely), or have horrific memory issues.

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20 Mar 2018, 09:59 PM
Isn't it strange that the Scottish Media don't seem to deem it to be 'shocking' when it belted out in Mordor every home game ?
I suppose the fact it's in Rome, where the Pope has a house, gives it a different angle.

Plus the fact we're regularly told that your rugby fan is a breed apart from the neanderthal football fan and can be trusted to turn their car into a bar before the game without it descending into a rammy.

Then wouldn't you know it, it seems some of these middle class egg chasers suffer from that same 90-minute bigot syndrome and the rugger is a jolly good way of letting off some steam aster a hard week bagging pheasant.
His Holiness The Pope lives in Vatican City State, not Rome.
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21 Mar 2018, 03:18 PM
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21 Mar 2018, 11:02 AM
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20 Mar 2018, 09:14 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deephttp://www.celtictrust.net/index.php?func=d_home_article&id=291

https://dilzybhoy.wordpress.com/tag/christine-grahame/

Those were the first two ones that came up. But Google and you'll no doubt find more references.

She has also been accused of making sectarian comments.
I'd already found those. Those are celtic sites making accusations - just like this one. Not proof in themselves
And as you say - she has been 'accused' - which was by a disgruntled employee who was sacked fro gross misconduct.
Are you taking the effing piss?

You had a debate with half of the board yesterday over this exact issue, and over the comments she made. You then argued the toss about it, denying that the act was setup to even the score and spent half the day defending it. Someone even posted a link to the report, including the exact page of the report that contained the forementioned comment, and now you are asking for people to link you to that quote?

Even though you were arguing about the content, you either didn't read it (likely), or have horrific memory issues.

You're just repeating the claim rather than showing a quote which backs it up.
I read that link and the exact pages.Couldn't see what was claimed. If you can point me to the bit where it says the act is being set up to even things out I would be most grateful.
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21 Mar 2018, 10:27 AM
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21 Mar 2018, 02:06 AM
I suppose the fact it's in Rome, where the Pope has a house, gives it a different angle.

Plus the fact we're regularly told that your rugby fan is a breed apart from the neanderthal football fan and can be trusted to turn their car into a bar before the game without it descending into a rammy.

Then wouldn't you know it, it seems some of these middle class egg chasers suffer from that same 90-minute bigot syndrome and the rugger is a jolly good way of letting off some steam aster a hard week bagging pheasant.
His Holiness The Pope lives in Vatican City State, not Rome.
Same hing. Vaticans only there for diplomatic and financial reasons.
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popeyed
21 Mar 2018, 03:31 PM
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21 Mar 2018, 10:27 AM
His Holiness The Pope lives in Vatican City State, not Rome.
Same hing. Vaticans only there for diplomatic and financial reasons.
Just try to serve a subpoena there though.
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21 Mar 2018, 11:02 AM
Are you taking the effing piss?

You had a debate with half of the board yesterday over this exact issue, and over the comments she made. You then argued the toss about it, denying that the act was setup to even the score and spent half the day defending it. Someone even posted a link to the report, including the exact page of the report that contained the forementioned comment, and now you are asking for people to link you to that quote?

Even though you were arguing about the content, you either didn't read it (likely), or have horrific memory issues.

You're just repeating the claim rather than showing a quote which backs it up.
I read that link and the exact pages.Couldn't see what was claimed. If you can point me to the bit where it says the act is being set up to even things out I would be most grateful.
It's on this effing page for eff's sake! :brickwall:
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21 Mar 2018, 03:33 PM
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21 Mar 2018, 03:31 PM
screwtop
21 Mar 2018, 03:23 PM
Same hing. Vaticans only there for diplomatic and financial reasons.
Just try to serve a subpoena there though.
:lol:
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21 Mar 2018, 03:30 PM
Tim Bombadil
21 Mar 2018, 03:18 PM
You're just repeating the claim rather than showing a quote which backs it up.
I read that link and the exact pages.Couldn't see what was claimed. If you can point me to the bit where it says the act is being set up to even things out I would be most grateful.
It's on this effing page for eff's sake! :brickwall:
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21 Mar 2018, 03:30 PM
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Stockholm87
21 Mar 2018, 11:02 AM
Are you taking the effing piss?

You had a debate with half of the board yesterday over this exact issue, and over the comments she made. You then argued the toss about it, denying that the act was setup to even the score and spent half the day defending it. Someone even posted a link to the report, including the exact page of the report that contained the forementioned comment, and now you are asking for people to link you to that quote?

Even though you were arguing about the content, you either didn't read it (likely), or have horrific memory issues.

You're just repeating the claim rather than showing a quote which backs it up.
I read that link and the exact pages.Couldn't see what was claimed. If you can point me to the bit where it says the act is being set up to even things out I would be most grateful.

I'll play for a bit longer.

Quote:
 
The Convener: My point is that it is not even


How else do you interpret that comment?


Edited by Tim Bombadil, 21 Mar 2018, 03:37 PM.
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21 Mar 2018, 03:30 PM
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21 Mar 2018, 03:18 PM
Stockholm87
21 Mar 2018, 11:02 AM
Are you taking the effing piss?

You had a debate with half of the board yesterday over this exact issue, and over the comments she made. You then argued the toss about it, denying that the act was setup to even the score and spent half the day defending it. Someone even posted a link to the report, including the exact page of the report that contained the forementioned comment, and now you are asking for people to link you to that quote?

Even though you were arguing about the content, you either didn't read it (likely), or have horrific memory issues.

You're just repeating the claim rather than showing a quote which backs it up.
I read that link and the exact pages.Couldn't see what was claimed. If you can point me to the bit where it says the act is being set up to even things out I would be most grateful.
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