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Supporters/Green Brigade Thread; OBFA Act Repealed
Topic Started: 15 Aug 2017, 01:23 PM (325,635 Views)
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Stockholm87
20 Mar 2018, 04:24 PM
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20 Mar 2018, 03:36 PM
Seems as though hard stats are more offensive than anything the act was trying to get at
Just to address some of the issues thrown at me know.

"My point isn't proven by that fact" - Those stats were my point , so that makes no sense. I make no other claims.
I've been called stupid for stating stats. Ponder that.
It is now apparently an undeniable "fact" the law was designed to " even things up". This is not unequivocal even when reading the link above. It is opinion.
Actually what you would need to do is find out the number of arrests before the bill was introduced then compare and contrast :thumbsup:
you're a man after my own heart. I'm all for statistical evidence. :thumbsup:
But in any case I don't think that comparison works. What you would have to show is that the Rangers fans would have been charged anyway and the Celtic fans not hence this act 'evened things up'. That would require a laborious subjective case by case analysis.

My take :
The act was well intentioned but poorly formed .
That it was designed specifically to target Celtic fans? - No.
Big SNP supporter I take it?
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20 Mar 2018, 04:24 PM
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20 Mar 2018, 04:08 PM
Stockholm87
20 Mar 2018, 03:36 PM
Seems as though hard stats are more offensive than anything the act was trying to get at
Just to address some of the issues thrown at me know.

"My point isn't proven by that fact" - Those stats were my point , so that makes no sense. I make no other claims.
I've been called stupid for stating stats. Ponder that.
It is now apparently an undeniable "fact" the law was designed to " even things up". This is not unequivocal even when reading the link above. It is opinion.
Actually what you would need to do is find out the number of arrests before the bill was introduced then compare and contrast :thumbsup:
you're a man after my own heart. I'm all for statistical evidence. :thumbsup:
But in any case I don't think that comparison works. What you would have to show is that the Rangers fans would have been charged anyway and the Celtic fans not hence this act 'evened things up'. That would require a laborious subjective case by case analysis.

My take :
The act was well intentioned but poorly formed .
That it was designed specifically to target Celtic fans? - No.
The backbone of the act is to try to stop secterianism by targeting football fans...ALL the political parties are charlatans in this so called battle. If they are serious, genuinely serious about this ban all Orange Order marches & Repbulican ones(of which a lot less take place) would be banned immediatley- thats a start - they simply dont have the bottle.

Communities live in fear and lockdown, policing costs and the bands playing secterian tunes....nah but its " oor kultur" - nae bother & good luck with that!

When this ever happens then I can take the party's serious...fans are just an easy target and big bad Celtic & for that matter Rangers fans are an easy target.

Utter nonsense from the SNP in particular.

Edited by littlegmbhoy, 20 Mar 2018, 06:20 PM.
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Stockholm87
20 Mar 2018, 04:24 PM
Martin19
20 Mar 2018, 04:08 PM
Stockholm87
20 Mar 2018, 03:36 PM
Seems as though hard stats are more offensive than anything the act was trying to get at
Just to address some of the issues thrown at me know.

"My point isn't proven by that fact" - Those stats were my point , so that makes no sense. I make no other claims.
I've been called stupid for stating stats. Ponder that.
It is now apparently an undeniable "fact" the law was designed to " even things up". This is not unequivocal even when reading the link above. It is opinion.
Actually what you would need to do is find out the number of arrests before the bill was introduced then compare and contrast :thumbsup:
you're a man after my own heart. I'm all for statistical evidence. :thumbsup:
But in any case I don't think that comparison works. What you would have to show is that the Rangers fans would have been charged anyway and the Celtic fans not hence this act 'evened things up'. That would require a laborious subjective case by case analysis.

My take :
The act was well intentioned but poorly formed .
That it was designed specifically to target Celtic fans? - No.
Everything about the act and how it came about was to do with an 'evening up' of the score.

If you cast your mind back to the game of shame, it was the huns who lost the plot in a sea of red and yellow cards, refusing to leave the pitch, 31 arrests (out of 34 IIRC) and a general level of hooliganism on the pitch including manhandling the referee.

That led to a summit and then the act. It was bollocks from start to finish and not well intentioned.
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20 Mar 2018, 04:24 PM
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20 Mar 2018, 04:08 PM

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you're a man after my own heart. I'm all for statistical evidence. :thumbsup:
But in any case I don't think that comparison works. What you would have to show is that the Rangers fans would have been charged anyway and the Celtic fans not hence this act 'evened things up'. That would require a laborious subjective case by case analysis.

My take :
The act was well intentioned but poorly formed .
That it was designed specifically to target Celtic fans? - No.
Everything about the act and how it came about was to do with an 'evening up' of the score.

If you cast your mind back to the game of shame, it was the huns who lost the plot in a sea of red and yellow cards, refusing to leave the pitch, 31 arrests (out of 34 IIRC) and a general level of hooliganism on the pitch including manhandling the referee.

That led to a summit and then the act. It was bollocks from start to finish and not well intentioned.
Which SNP party member was it that said, "we need to make things more even"?

Doesn't seem like she had any good intentions. She just didn't like the fact sectarianism was overwhelmingly a problem amongst Rangers supporters.
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Christine Grahame.
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Thank god that Act is being scrapped, was an utter shambles, poorly drafted and full of ambiguous language. The word "offensive" is completely subjective and as such should not be used as the benchmark to convict someone of a criminal offence.

It was a reactionary measure by the government at the time and has done absolutely nothing to diminish sectarianism in Scotland.
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Thank god that Act is being scrapped, was an utter shambles, poorly drafted and full of ambiguous language. The word "offensive" is completely subjective and as such should not be used as the benchmark to convict someone of a criminal offence.

It was a reactionary measure by the government at the time and has done absolutely nothing to diminish sectarianism in Scotland.
It was legislation designed to share blame. Almost an excuse to not tackle sectarianism. An exercise in the most insincere whataboutery.

There's only ever been one major problem in this wee country and being asked to address it makes positioned people very uncomfortable.
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Christine Grahame.
Do you have a link to that quote?
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Christine Grahame.
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And it wasn’t her who protested that Celtic fans were blessing themselves aggressively ! :lol: so there are at least 2 total zoomers
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Christine Grahame.
Do you have a link to that quote?
http://www.celtictrust.net/index.php?func=d_home_article&id=291
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Christine Grahame.
Do you have a link to that quote?
http://www.celtictrust.net/index.php?func=d_home_article&id=291

https://dilzybhoy.wordpress.com/tag/christine-grahame/

Those were the first two ones that came up. But Google and you'll no doubt find more references.

She has also been accused of making sectarian comments.
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20 Mar 2018, 07:08 PM
Christine Grahame.
Do you have a link to that quote?
http://www.celtictrust.net/index.php?func=d_home_article&id=291

https://dilzybhoy.wordpress.com/tag/christine-grahame/

Those were the first two ones that came up. But Google and you'll no doubt find more references.

She has also been accused of making sectarian comments.
Also, from the Herald..

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13039940.Grahame_urged_to_stand_down_during____sectarian____investigation/
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https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2388581/scotland-italy-six-nations-fans-sectarian-the-sash-bagpipes-f-the-pope/amp/


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20 Mar 2018, 07:24 PM
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20 Mar 2018, 07:08 PM
Christine Grahame.
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And it wasn’t her who protested that Celtic fans were blessing themselves aggressively ! :lol: so there are at least 2 total zoomers
‘Twas Roseanna Cunningham who said that one. And her a practicing RC tae as well...
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20 Mar 2018, 09:59 PM
Isn't it strange that the Scottish Media don't seem to deem it to be 'shocking' when it belted out in Mordor every home game ?
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20 Mar 2018, 09:59 PM
Isn't it strange that the Scottish Media don't seem to deem it to be 'shocking' when it belted out in Mordor every home game ?
I suppose the fact it's in Rome, where the Pope has a house, gives it a different angle.

Plus the fact we're regularly told that your rugby fan is a breed apart from the neanderthal football fan and can be trusted to turn their car into a bar before the game without it descending into a rammy.

Then wouldn't you know it, it seems some of these middle class egg chasers suffer from that same 90-minute bigot syndrome and the rugger is a jolly good way of letting off some steam aster a hard week bagging pheasant.
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21 Mar 2018, 10:27 AM
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20 Mar 2018, 09:59 PM
Isn't it strange that the Scottish Media don't seem to deem it to be 'shocking' when it belted out in Mordor every home game ?
I suppose the fact it's in Rome, where the Pope has a house, gives it a different angle.

Plus the fact we're regularly told that your rugby fan is a breed apart from the neanderthal football fan and can be trusted to turn their car into a bar before the game without it descending into a rammy.

Then wouldn't you know it, it seems some of these middle class egg chasers suffer from that same 90-minute bigot syndrome and the rugger is a jolly good way of letting off some steam aster a hard week bagging pheasant.
A friend of mine, Dundee Utd fan/SNP supporter was saying to me recently he finds it amazing that a lot of the middle/upper class "toffs" that are staunch Conservative/Unionists will go to the rugby at Murrayfield/Twickenham when Scotland play England and wear a kilt while belting out Flower of Scotland. They will probably also do this to a lesser extent on the other four Six Nations matchdays, as if they take five days out of the year to be "Scottish" and proud of it but then the rest of the year they are "British" and proud of it.
It is a bit of a generalisation, yes, but I'd never thought of it that way before and is probably true in some cases.
Edited by AG67, 21 Mar 2018, 11:02 AM.
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20 Mar 2018, 07:08 PM
Christine Grahame.
Do you have a link to that quote?
http://www.celtictrust.net/index.php?func=d_home_article&id=291

https://dilzybhoy.wordpress.com/tag/christine-grahame/

Those were the first two ones that came up. But Google and you'll no doubt find more references.

She has also been accused of making sectarian comments.
I'd already found those. Those are celtic sites making accusations - just like this one. Not proof in themselves
And as you say - she has been 'accused' - which was by a disgruntled employee who was sacked fro gross misconduct.
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