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| Supporters/Green Brigade Thread; OBFA Act Repealed | |
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| Topic Started: 15 Aug 2017, 01:23 PM (325,637 Views) | |
| Drinkywhiskers | 16 Mar 2018, 07:52 PM Post #3261 |
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Occasional Substitute
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Maybe I'm on my own but when I think of the club reselling my seat if I can't attend a game, I'm not expecting anything for it. If I buy a ST i buy it. Don't expect a refund. Would just rather the stadium was filled as much as possible than empty seats. I worked for an airline. If you buy a seat it's non refundable. If you then can't travel, they wont refund you and will resell your seat. |
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| rightsaidted | 16 Mar 2018, 07:53 PM Post #3262 |
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Cops will be knocking down your door, but probably at a more civilised hour. |
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| Muzz | 16 Mar 2018, 07:53 PM Post #3263 |
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BRFA
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| Tim Waits | 16 Mar 2018, 07:55 PM Post #3264 |
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Small-Minded Bien-Pensant
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They are also known to kill puppies, so I am not sure I want Celtic emulating their business model to any great degree. |
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| AmericanHistoryBhoy | 16 Mar 2018, 08:06 PM Post #3265 |
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Everyone's Fantasy Football first pick
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I read that in the Greg Hemphill court reporter voice. |
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| Jimmy_Quinn's_Hattrick | 17 Mar 2018, 10:32 PM Post #3266 |
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It was indeed Christine Grahame. In fact, for the sake of posterity, I want to link to the record of evidence given to the Justice Committee on 13 September 2011, of which Grahame was Convener and where the remarks in question were made. Specifically, the discussion beginning at the tail end of page 254, where Grahame explicitly raises the 'concern' at Celtic supporters not being prosecuted because their songs are political, not sectarian or religiously aggravated. Worryingly, she also seems to not understand the distinction between 'Catholic/Protestant' and 'Celtic/Rangers'. |
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| Peco | 17 Mar 2018, 11:05 PM Post #3267 |
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Perhaps there’s a middle ground. My brother can’t use his ST at next home game due to work. I’ll meanwhile be visiting from London and no way would he take any financial recompense for me using his ticket. Celtic have their money for the seat already but would be keen to sell another - that’s obvious. If I choose to go to the Ross County game, I will use my brother’s ticket but make a donation to the Kano Foundation for the equivalent pro-rata. Nothing better than seeing the joy of those 21st century “can ye lift me over the turnstiles” kids getting the Celtic experiences that define every one of us. |
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| paulfg42 | 18 Mar 2018, 12:35 AM Post #3268 |
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Fiat justitia ruat caelum
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What exactly is your point? Forget it. I've just seen your comment and the replies. I'm afraid to tell you we have a 60,000 seater stadium and we're stuck with it. Edited by paulfg42, 18 Mar 2018, 12:40 AM.
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| popeyed | 18 Mar 2018, 08:53 AM Post #3269 |
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Climbing walls while sittin' in a chair.
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| Mackin | 20 Mar 2018, 09:48 AM Post #3270 |
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The Ginty McGinty genius
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Celtic tried Stubhub for a while (maybe still do) but it was when the stadium was half empty so no demand. It ended up being used to punt the padded seats in the Jock Stein stand on the cheap. |
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| Stockholm87 | 20 Mar 2018, 10:56 AM Post #3271 |
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Häng med
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If the act was "designed to specifically criminalise Celtic supporters" then statistics suggest the act was indeed a failure: Charges by club affliation 2012-2017: Rangers 383, Celtic 218 |
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| fatboab | 20 Mar 2018, 10:59 AM Post #3272 |
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Just before the Dawn
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well done. You've just confirmed my point.
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| Stockholm87 | 20 Mar 2018, 12:04 PM Post #3273 |
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Häng med
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What am i missing? It doesn't seem to have targeted Celtic fans in particular |
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| fatboab | 20 Mar 2018, 12:14 PM Post #3274 |
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Laws that existed before would and should have resulted in all of those arrests for Sevco fans. It was the new law that criminalised the Celtic support and their songs. |
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| Stockholm87 | 20 Mar 2018, 12:28 PM Post #3275 |
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Häng med
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Are you suggesting that without OBFA the Rangers fans would have been arrested anyway but not the Celtic ones? The fact that almost twice as many rangers fans got arrested under OBFA doesn't shake your belief that it was specifically designed to criminalise Celtic fans? I work it out at,on average, roughly 1 arrest per match for Celtic fans during that period. Regardless of how poorly constructed the act may have been I don't see much evidence for your claim it targets Celtic fans |
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| fatboab | 20 Mar 2018, 12:48 PM Post #3276 |
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Just before the Dawn
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ok. |
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| idyllwild | 20 Mar 2018, 12:58 PM Post #3277 |
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It was a shambles of a law, designed to even things up and without a basic understanding or recognition of what sectarianism is and how it is expressed. By and large, we do not engage in sectarian behaviour as a support. This act dragged us into someone else’s problem. |
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| pablo5 | 20 Mar 2018, 01:19 PM Post #3278 |
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Whatever it is, there's not enough of it
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Yep. The vast majority of those arrests would have been for a sectarian breach of the peace. What OBFA created was the crime of offensive behaviour. This was very much done as a catch all to make sure the Celtic support could be prosecuted for political expression in the same way the Zombies were done for their sectarian and discriminatory material. That's why it was a failure. The definitions involved were extremely vague and incompetent. The purpose of the law was to do something about a nuanced problem with two very different issues at heart by trying to define it all as one offence. That's before you even get to the question of why expressing a non-discriminatory political view in relation to a football match should be a criminal matter. We'd likely be rather scornful of any other legal system which criminalised people on the basis that they stated a political view which a Police Officer found offensive. |
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| Stockholm87 | 20 Mar 2018, 02:28 PM Post #3279 |
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Häng med
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The claims seem to be that the law was designed to target Celtic fans , even things out or drag them into someonelse's problem. None of these opinions are backed up by the hard statistical fact that almost twice as many rangers fans have been arrested under this law. |
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| 44bhoy | 20 Mar 2018, 02:30 PM Post #3280 |
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First-team starter
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