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Supporters/Green Brigade Thread; OBFA Act Repealed
Topic Started: 15 Aug 2017, 01:23 PM (325,643 Views)
dannybhoy88
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littlegmbhoy
9 Mar 2018, 02:39 PM
Huns banning any flags from draping over top tier on Sunday our end....haha

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Banners fair enough but....What's their policy on effigies? ;)
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It doesn't matter what they ban, the green brigade and their banners always set the tone for the day and usually end up with the onion bears having egg on their faces. :clap:
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Expert says sectarian chants ‘bring fans together’
Alistair Grant
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Dr Joseph Webster claims sectarian songs are not about bigotry but about making fans feel part of a tribe


CONTROVERSIAL legislation to tackle sectarianism at football been branded a “mess” because it fails to acknowledge the “solidarity and fraternity” generated by bigoted chanting from the terraces, a leading academic has said.

Dr Joseph Webster, of Queen’s University Belfast, accused the SNP of failing to understand “the social reality behind the behaviours it seeks to ban”.

It comes amid continuing efforts to repeal the Scottish Government’s controversial Offensive Behaviour at Football Act, which aims to tackle sectarianism.


Dr Webster insisted Old Firm fans took part in sectarian behaviour “primarily for their own benefit, to validate their own tribe”.

Writing today in our sister paper, The Herald, the academic compared rival football fans to “boys facing off in the playground” who are unwilling to throw a real punch.

He said: “My suggestion is simple: the Football Act is such a mess because it completely fails to understand the social reality behind the behaviours it seeks to ban.

“The assumption of those who railroaded the legislation through Parliament without proper scrutiny is that the sectarian misbehaviour surrounding certain football matches is all about rivalry, and a hatred of the other. But this isn’t the full picture.

“An exclusive focus on rivalry and hate completely ignores the equally important sectarian dynamics of solidarity and fraternity.”

Dr Webster, who has attended Orange “social clubs” and shadowed Protestant flute bands as part of his anthropology research, said most sectarianism occurred in the absence of rival supporters or where fans were already strictly segregated.

He added: “This observation is crucial because it shows how engaging in ‘offensive behaviour at football’ is an attempt to create intra-group cohesion rather than inter-group rivalry. In shared spaces, as a result – on the streets or on public transport – such behaviours decrease dramatically.


“Offensive chanting is thus a collective performance engaged in by a group for themselves, as a demonstration of their own collective membership of that group.”

He continued: “Their insults may well be grossly offensive, but that is not their primary purpose. If it were, then why would the strongest expressions of verbal sectarianism be offered in the absence of rival fans, inside supporters clubs, and on their private buses?

“And why would verbal sectarianism decrease so dramatically in shared public spaces like train stations and town centres, regardless of the presence or absence of police?”

Dr Webster’s comments come as Celtic and Rangers prepare to face off at Ibrox tomorrow, with police urging supporters to “behave responsibly”.

He said fans were much more interested in celebrating their own sense of belonging than what “the other tribe is doing”, and argued the Football Act is “unjustified, unworkable, and counterproductive”.

The controversial legislation was passed by the SNP when it had a Holyrood majority in 2011, but efforts to repeal it have since attracted cross-party support.

A Scottish Government spokeswoman said: “Singing songs about terrorism, mocking incidents involving loss of life and being hateful towards some of our most vulnerable communities with no regard for the impact is not acceptable in a modern Scotland.”


http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/16078224.Expert_says_sectarian_chants____bring_fans_together___/

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Bryan67
10 Mar 2018, 09:35 AM
Expert says sectarian chants ‘bring fans together’
Alistair Grant
Political Correspondent
Dr Joseph Webster claims sectarian songs are not about bigotry but about making fans feel part of a tribe


CONTROVERSIAL legislation to tackle sectarianism at football been branded a “mess” because it fails to acknowledge the “solidarity and fraternity” generated by bigoted chanting from the terraces, a leading academic has said.

Dr Joseph Webster, of Queen’s University Belfast, accused the SNP of failing to understand “the social reality behind the behaviours it seeks to ban”.

It comes amid continuing efforts to repeal the Scottish Government’s controversial Offensive Behaviour at Football Act, which aims to tackle sectarianism.


Dr Webster insisted Old Firm fans took part in sectarian behaviour “primarily for their own benefit, to validate their own tribe”.

Writing today in our sister paper, The Herald, the academic compared rival football fans to “boys facing off in the playground” who are unwilling to throw a real punch.

He said: “My suggestion is simple: the Football Act is such a mess because it completely fails to understand the social reality behind the behaviours it seeks to ban.

“The assumption of those who railroaded the legislation through Parliament without proper scrutiny is that the sectarian misbehaviour surrounding certain football matches is all about rivalry, and a hatred of the other. But this isn’t the full picture.

“An exclusive focus on rivalry and hate completely ignores the equally important sectarian dynamics of solidarity and fraternity.”

Dr Webster, who has attended Orange “social clubs” and shadowed Protestant flute bands as part of his anthropology research, said most sectarianism occurred in the absence of rival supporters or where fans were already strictly segregated.

He added: “This observation is crucial because it shows how engaging in ‘offensive behaviour at football’ is an attempt to create intra-group cohesion rather than inter-group rivalry. In shared spaces, as a result – on the streets or on public transport – such behaviours decrease dramatically.


“Offensive chanting is thus a collective performance engaged in by a group for themselves, as a demonstration of their own collective membership of that group.”

He continued: “Their insults may well be grossly offensive, but that is not their primary purpose. If it were, then why would the strongest expressions of verbal sectarianism be offered in the absence of rival fans, inside supporters clubs, and on their private buses?

“And why would verbal sectarianism decrease so dramatically in shared public spaces like train stations and town centres, regardless of the presence or absence of police?”

Dr Webster’s comments come as Celtic and Rangers prepare to face off at Ibrox tomorrow, with police urging supporters to “behave responsibly”.

He said fans were much more interested in celebrating their own sense of belonging than what “the other tribe is doing”, and argued the Football Act is “unjustified, unworkable, and counterproductive”.

The controversial legislation was passed by the SNP when it had a Holyrood majority in 2011, but efforts to repeal it have since attracted cross-party support.

A Scottish Government spokeswoman said: “Singing songs about terrorism, mocking incidents involving loss of life and being hateful towards some of our most vulnerable communities with no regard for the impact is not acceptable in a modern Scotland.”


http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/16078224.Expert_says_sectarian_chants____bring_fans_together___/

Some interesting points, but it seems to me that they sing about Celtic quite a lot in their songs, and specifically namecheck the IRA in far more songs than you'll hear at Celtic games.
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10 Mar 2018, 09:35 AM
Dr Webster has attended Orange social clubs and shadowed Protestant flute bands as part of his anthropology research

Anthropology ~noun~
The study of humans and human behaviour.
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any pictures of the display from Sunday and the banner hoisted up at the end?
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justinjest
12 Mar 2018, 10:11 PM
any pictures of the display from Sunday and the banner hoisted up at the end?
What did the banner say? I only seen a picture of it from afar.
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justinjest
12 Mar 2018, 10:11 PM
any pictures of the display from Sunday and the banner hoisted up at the end?
What did the banner say? I only seen a picture of it from afar.
Don't forget to wish your sisters a happy mothers day

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Got the weans a union bears tifo jigsaw and that’s them finished it already. <a href="https://t.co/1kPJspBxGm">pic.twitter.com/1kPJspBxGm</a></p>— Leigh Griffiths (@LEIGHGRIFFlTHS) <a href="https://twitter.com/LEIGHGRIFFlTHS/status/973325402104938496?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 12, 2018</a></blockquote>
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13 Mar 2018, 12:29 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Got the weans a union bears tifo jigsaw and that’s them finished it already. <a href="https://t.co/1kPJspBxGm">pic.twitter.com/1kPJspBxGm</a></p>— Leigh Griffiths (@LEIGHGRIFFlTHS) <a href="https://twitter.com/LEIGHGRIFFlTHS/status/973325402104938496?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 12, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Got the weans a union bears tifo jigsaw and that’s them finished it already. <a href="https://t.co/1kPJspBxGm">pic.twitter.com/1kPJspBxGm</a></p>— Leigh Griffiths (@LEIGHGRIFFlTHS) <a href="https://twitter.com/LEIGHGRIFFlTHS/status/973325402104938496?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 12, 2018</a></blockquote>
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HAHAHAHAHAAA .that's brilliant
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There was three banners from our end.

'You're simply incest' - Pre-Match as the teams were coming out and Simply the Best was playing.

'Don't forget to wish your sister a happy mother's day' - Half time.

'Title race? Know your place' - End of the match.
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Biggest con ever is season tickets. The amount of empty seats at some games is beyond belief,but at least the club gets the money.I know Man United fans can sell their tickets if they can't make game and should be worth considering.
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68guns
13 Mar 2018, 09:12 PM
Biggest con ever is season tickets. The amount of empty seats at some games is beyond belief,but at least the club gets the money.I know Man United fans can sell their tickets if they can't make game and should be worth considering.

The worst thing about them is the way the club forces people to buy them.

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68guns
13 Mar 2018, 09:12 PM
Biggest con ever is season tickets. The amount of empty seats at some games is beyond belief,but at least the club gets the money.I know Man United fans can sell their tickets if they can't make game and should be worth considering.

The worst thing about them is the way the club forces people to buy them.

there's no real demand for tickets- we do not have 52,000 fans willing to attend every game - we do have 52,000 willing to attend the big games, but in order to ensure they get to those games, they need to buy a ST.
I've always said CP is too big - we should have made it a 50,000 stadium as that's more than adequate for the majority of home games
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justinjest
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13 Mar 2018, 11:43 PM
68guns
13 Mar 2018, 09:12 PM
Biggest con ever is season tickets. The amount of empty seats at some games is beyond belief,but at least the club gets the money.I know Man United fans can sell their tickets if they can't make game and should be worth considering.

The worst thing about them is the way the club forces people to buy them.

there's no real demand for tickets- we do not have 52,000 fans willing to attend every game - we do have 52,000 willing to attend the big games, but in order to ensure they get to those games, they need to buy a ST.
I've always said CP is too big - we should have made it a 50,000 stadium as that's more than adequate for the majority of home games
Na.

The 10,000 seats (over 50,000) is a natural advantage over the Huns and one of Fergus' great legacies.
Edited by oneillsrevolution, 14 Mar 2018, 12:36 AM.
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oneillsrevolution
14 Mar 2018, 12:35 AM
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14 Mar 2018, 12:29 AM
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13 Mar 2018, 11:43 PM

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there's no real demand for tickets- we do not have 52,000 fans willing to attend every game - we do have 52,000 willing to attend the big games, but in order to ensure they get to those games, they need to buy a ST.
I've always said CP is too big - we should have made it a 50,000 stadium as that's more than adequate for the majority of home games
Na.

The 10,000 seats (over 50,000) is a natural advantage over the Huns and one of Fergus' great legacies.
Exactly it's approximately £6 million in the bank before a ball is kicked.
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justinjest
14 Mar 2018, 12:29 AM
Oscar Strummer
13 Mar 2018, 11:43 PM
68guns
13 Mar 2018, 09:12 PM
Biggest con ever is season tickets. The amount of empty seats at some games is beyond belief,but at least the club gets the money.I know Man United fans can sell their tickets if they can't make game and should be worth considering.

The worst thing about them is the way the club forces people to buy them.

there's no real demand for tickets- we do not have 52,000 fans willing to attend every game - we do have 52,000 willing to attend the big games, but in order to ensure they get to those games, they need to buy a ST.
I've always said CP is too big - we should have made it a 50,000 stadium as that's more than adequate for the majority of home games
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It's something that bugs me too. I have a ST and due to work can't always make games. But almost all my friends and family have ST too so I rarely have someone that can use it in my place - probably talking about missing around 6 games a season.

Personally, I don't see why there can't be a scheme where you can let the club know in advance that you can't attend and they sell a one off ticket for your seat. Extra income and it surely can't be that hard to roll out?
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