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Supporters/Green Brigade Thread; OBFA Act Repealed
Topic Started: 15 Aug 2017, 01:23 PM (325,661 Views)
Dempele
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justinjest
1 Jan 2018, 03:27 AM
Still can't understand our fans leaving on Saturday with 5 minutes to go - I know fans have reasons for leaving early, but the biggest domestic game of the season, finely balanced ....... why leave early?
Aye though i don't blame them. We weren't scoring that second half unless fideringham put it in himself.
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31 Dec 2017, 07:37 PM
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31 Dec 2017, 01:06 AM
Regardless of the disgusting content of their repertoire, the Sevconians owned us atmosphere wise throughout the entire game.

Awful day all round.
That's absolute nonsense. Huns were as quiet as I've ever seen them until about the last half hour when they won a throw in.

Yup.

While the atmosphere was not particularly good, in line with our performance, the only people who could say that the Huns "owned the atmosphere" would be deluded Huns who paid £50 to stand in that corner and spout bile.

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Marwan Barghouti
31 Dec 2017, 06:53 PM
Would love to see GB with a massive Ahed Al Tamimi flag at next home game,if anyone shares a cause with the oppressed Irish community in Glasgow its her.Girl is an inspiration.#FreeAhed
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For those who don't know

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=afH0u22k-n8

She wants to be a football player if it wasn't for occupation

Make it happen GB :worthy: https://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Israel-to-Charge-Iconic-Palestinian-Teen-Activist-Ahed-Tamimi-20171228-0032.html
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31 Dec 2017, 08:18 PM
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El Salto
31 Dec 2017, 08:00 PM
If the team had put in a decent performance, instead of the mistake ridden shambles that they did, then the fans in the stadium would have responded positively

Its always been that way
Folk were on the team's back after about five minutes. It was a effin joke.
I was in the opposite end of the stadium to you and didn’t hear anything angry until the second half, when it was more than deserved. Sounds like some fans in the standing section are a effin joke then.
Could well be the case. There were people losing the nut after their early chance. It did get worse but there was no need for it that early.
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22 Dec 2017, 08:34 PM
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22 Dec 2017, 08:27 PM
Quemelachupen
22 Dec 2017, 05:26 AM
A simple system of reselling or re-allocating you ticket for games you can't make would be easy to implement.

It would allow you and the club to make some money back.

Barça do it, easy peasy!
Easy in practice , but how many do you think they would have shifted for that game on Wed?? Hee Haw that’s how many . It’s a joke . If I’m spending close on a grand for 3STs for myself and my 2 sons, then I think if one of them can’t make it or I can’t make it, I should be allowed to pass it on to brother/ sister/ father/ niece/nephew/friend etc etc . And rest assured if some arsehole steward pulls any of my kids aside ( especially my youngest) and harasseshim for ID or demands to see his FB profile , they’ll hear me as will the Ticket Office the following day
Well said, it’s a joke you are restricted to passing them on to “family”, as for the stewards it is totally again the Data Protection Act what they are doing!!! Sort it out Celtic.
What specifically is against the DPA? Just asking for proof of identity or something else?
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22 Dec 2017, 08:34 PM
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22 Dec 2017, 08:27 PM

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Well said, it’s a joke you are restricted to passing them on to “family”, as for the stewards it is totally again the Data Protection Act what they are doing!!! Sort it out Celtic.
What specifically is against the DPA? Just asking for proof of identity or something else?
You can ask for anything you like with DPA. Celtic just can't tell you anything about other people's accounts. Stewards asking for ID doesn't come into it in the slightest.

It's just plain dodgy asking weans to show their Facebook, that's it. If they want ID from people it'll need to be passport/driving license or a photo on the card.
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22 Dec 2017, 08:34 PM

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What specifically is against the DPA? Just asking for proof of identity or something else?
You can ask for anything you like with DPA. Celtic just can't tell you anything about other people's accounts. Stewards asking for ID doesn't come into it in the slightest.

It's just plain dodgy asking weans to show their Facebook, that's it. If they want ID from people it'll need to be passport/driving license or a photo on the card.
Wonder if library tickets as proof of ID count as my Da carries his with him at all times and can tell you the books he has borrowed if pushed.

Maybe the Stewards are missing a trick.
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jon bhoy
22 Dec 2017, 08:34 PM

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What specifically is against the DPA? Just asking for proof of identity or something else?
You can ask for anything you like with DPA. Celtic just can't tell you anything about other people's accounts. Stewards asking for ID doesn't come into it in the slightest.

It's just plain dodgy asking weans to show their Facebook, that's it. If they want ID from people it'll need to be passport/driving license or a photo on the card.
Disagree that you can ask for anything, but even the mere mention of the DPA seems hyperbolic from the original dude. You can only ask for info if it's relevant to the relationship you have with the "customer" so a bank won't ask your sexual orientation etc. In this case what the steward is trying, very clumsily, to do is to prove someone's ID which is a sensible thing to do if a ticket isn't transferrable and they're trying to prove that the right person has it. To ask to see a social media account as a means of ID'ing them though is a bit thick & shoddy even if it's the only ID a wean would carry. Stewards should be under instruction to assume that a kid with a kid's ticket is the rightful owner of it.

I'm assuming that the original guy is saying that a steward who asks a kid to show them their facebook account on their phone as a means of proving their identity is "against DPA" - I'm sure someone will correct me if I misread that.
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31 Dec 2017, 08:24 PM
Sad fact is that we have too many in the support who now think that any domestic game should be won by at least three clear goals!
Games against the old Huns had the support on edge cos for a long time we were getting gubbed by the bandits, especially when it really counted. We tended to win the last one of the season when the league was long gone!
We were poor but I don’t remember us celebrating a draw quite as much :lol: perhaps that is my selective memory!
Yesterday there had probably been too much talk of winning by 5,6 or 7.
Even the Gherald had two or three pundits saying us by 4 :lol:
That's not a new thing though, the expectation to be winning all games against any Scottish side that turns up at Celtic Park by a couple of goals was set when O'Neill arrived 18 years. Only winning 3-0 was a poor afternoon, 5 & 6-0 was the norm in the first few years.

9 years later after O'Neill & Strachans tenures were over we had lost 7 league games at Celtic Park where we hadn't already won the league, 4 of them in that cluster eff that was 04/05, we'd gone three years just before it losing to no-one, domestic or the best Europe had to offer.

If the current Celtic team think they got it bad, the best Celtic side since the 70s got booed off the pitch by some fans 3 days after putting Barcelona out of Europe, with an 18 point lead in the league, had won the last 6 games against the Huns, because they drew with Motherwell at home :lol:

Attitudes change when higher standards are set.
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2 Jan 2018, 03:44 PM
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You can ask for anything you like with DPA. Celtic just can't tell you anything about other people's accounts. Stewards asking for ID doesn't come into it in the slightest.

It's just plain dodgy asking weans to show their Facebook, that's it. If they want ID from people it'll need to be passport/driving license or a photo on the card.
Disagree that you can ask for anything, but even the mere mention of the DPA seems hyperbolic from the original dude. You can only ask for info if it's relevant to the relationship you have with the "customer" so a bank won't ask your sexual orientation etc. In this case what the steward is trying, very clumsily, to do is to prove someone's ID which is a sensible thing to do if a ticket isn't transferrable and they're trying to prove that the right person has it. To ask to see a social media account as a means of ID'ing them though is a bit thick & shoddy even if it's the only ID a wean would carry. Stewards should be under instruction to assume that a kid with a kid's ticket is the rightful owner of it.

I'm assuming that the original guy is saying that a steward who asks a kid to show them their facebook account on their phone as a means of proving their identity is "against DPA" - I'm sure someone will correct me if I misread that.
DPA doesn't stop you asking for information, only from giving it.
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Disagree that you can ask for anything, but even the mere mention of the DPA seems hyperbolic from the original dude. You can only ask for info if it's relevant to the relationship you have with the "customer" so a bank won't ask your sexual orientation etc. In this case what the steward is trying, very clumsily, to do is to prove someone's ID which is a sensible thing to do if a ticket isn't transferrable and they're trying to prove that the right person has it. To ask to see a social media account as a means of ID'ing them though is a bit thick & shoddy even if it's the only ID a wean would carry. Stewards should be under instruction to assume that a kid with a kid's ticket is the rightful owner of it.

I'm assuming that the original guy is saying that a steward who asks a kid to show them their facebook account on their phone as a means of proving their identity is "against DPA" - I'm sure someone will correct me if I misread that.
DPA doesn't stop you asking for information, only from giving it.
The 2nd principle is "Personal data shall be obtained only for one or more specified and lawful purposes"
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2 Jan 2018, 07:09 PM
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DPA doesn't stop you asking for information, only from giving it.
The 2nd principle is "Personal data shall be obtained only for one or more specified and lawful purposes"
I'm maybe being a bit thick, but what if you don't carry any personal data on you - do the T & C's state you must be able to prove / have evidence that you are the ticket holder - I carry lots of data on me, but if I stated I didn't have any on me, is that grounds enough to deny me entry?

Was talking to my mate on Saturday about this - he claims that Celtic have in the region of 20,000 concession tickets in place - anyone know if this is true and if it is more than the average - we will have lots of pensioners & under 18's tickets and quite a few students
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DPA doesn't stop you asking for information, only from giving it.
The 2nd principle is "Personal data shall be obtained only for one or more specified and lawful purposes"
Aye, to check identity so that they can affirm whether or not the terms and conditions are being kept to, or so they can speak about the account to you. They haven't been asking for any other reason.

That term leaves a lot open as well. For example, we have to ask for a customer's date of birth or get docked points from quality - under the pretence that it's for an extra layer of security. It's so they can chase any debt that's built up and default folks' credit files. If they don't have the dob, they can't touch it. In both cases, neither is using the data for anything criminal.
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It's trivially simple to setup a dummy Facebook account, and I know a lot of people who don't use their actual name on their accounts. It is not at all an appropriate way to confirm a teenager/young adults name and age without getting outlandishly invasive. It's neither justifiable or practical for stewards to do, and it is definitely inappropriate for an unqualified adult to demand to see a young person's Facebook account.
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2 Jan 2018, 10:33 PM
It's trivially simple to setup a dummy Facebook account, and I know a lot of people who don't use their actual name on their accounts. It is not at all an appropriate way to confirm a teenager/young adults name and age without getting outlandishly invasive. It's neither justifiable or practical for stewards to do, and it is definitely inappropriate for an unqualified adult to demand to see a young person's Facebook account.
But not against the data protection act.
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A simple system of reselling or re-allocating you ticket for games you can't make would be easy to implement.

It would allow you and the club to make some money back.

Barça do it, easy peasy!
Easy in practice , but how many do you think they would have shifted for that game on Wed?? Hee Haw that’s how many . It’s a joke . If I’m spending close on a grand for 3STs for myself and my 2 sons, then I think if one of them can’t make it or I can’t make it, I should be allowed to pass it on to brother/ sister/ father/ niece/nephew/friend etc etc . And rest assured if some arsehole steward pulls any of my kids aside ( especially my youngest) and harasseshim for ID or demands to see his FB profile , they’ll hear me as will the Ticket Office the following day
Well said, it’s a joke you are restricted to passing them on to “family”, as for the stewards it is totally again the Data Protection Act what they are doing!!! Sort it out Celtic.
"Family" - I assume this means the wider Celtic family... so presumably you can share your season ticket with anyone in the "family".
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I heard a bit of this on the way to work this morning. He mentioned he had spoken to a lot of players about their views on ticket pricing and how crowds that create a "fortress" can enhance performance. He said he spoke to Boyata about this effect at Celtic and also said Bellamy had a lot of opinions on the matter. I'll give the podcast a listen later, should be interesting.


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The 2nd principle is "Personal data shall be obtained only for one or more specified and lawful purposes"
Aye, to check identity so that they can affirm whether or not the terms and conditions are being kept to, or so they can speak about the account to you. They haven't been asking for any other reason.

That term leaves a lot open as well. For example, we have to ask for a customer's date of birth or get docked points from quality - under the pretence that it's for an extra layer of security. It's so they can chase any debt that's built up and default folks' credit files. If they don't have the dob, they can't touch it. In both cases, neither is using the data for anything criminal.
The DPA prevents data controllers from asking certain things, like my previous example of a bank asking for your sexual orientation etc. They have no reason to ask for that as it's not relevant to your business with them so they're not allowed to ask. Therefore "DPA doesn't stop you asking for information" is incorrect. In the case of the steward, they if anything are the data controller here as they're trying to verify someone's identity and they're asking their questions for a reasonable reason so the original dude who said "sort it out" is incorrect if he thinks that's a breach of the DPA (in my opinion). They're entitled to ask for ID, but asking to see a facebook account is idiotic and amateurish.

Roll on the Green Brigade singing some IRA songs so we can discuss something more interesting :lol: :lol:
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Aye, to check identity so that they can affirm whether or not the terms and conditions are being kept to, or so they can speak about the account to you. They haven't been asking for any other reason.

That term leaves a lot open as well. For example, we have to ask for a customer's date of birth or get docked points from quality - under the pretence that it's for an extra layer of security. It's so they can chase any debt that's built up and default folks' credit files. If they don't have the dob, they can't touch it. In both cases, neither is using the data for anything criminal.
The DPA prevents data controllers from asking certain things, like my previous example of a bank asking for your sexual orientation etc. They have no reason to ask for that as it's not relevant to your business with them so they're not allowed to ask. Therefore "DPA doesn't stop you asking for information" is incorrect. In the case of the steward, they if anything are the data controller here as they're trying to verify someone's identity and they're asking their questions for a reasonable reason so the original dude who said "sort it out" is incorrect if he thinks that's a breach of the DPA (in my opinion). They're entitled to ask for ID, but asking to see a facebook account is idiotic and amateurish.

Roll on the Green Brigade singing some IRA songs so we can discuss something more interesting :lol: :lol:
IRA songs are fab. :tirade:
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Dempele
1 Jan 2018, 03:31 AM
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1 Jan 2018, 03:27 AM
Still can't understand our fans leaving on Saturday with 5 minutes to go - I know fans have reasons for leaving early, but the biggest domestic game of the season, finely balanced ....... why leave early?
Aye though i don't blame them. We weren't scoring that second half unless fideringham put it in himself.
My son wanted a pish with 5 minutes to go, wasnt going to bother my arse climbing back up the stairs to watch the end of the gemme.
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