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Supporters/Green Brigade Thread; OBFA Act Repealed
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Topic Started: 15 Aug 2017, 01:23 PM (325,674 Views)
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searcher52
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14 Dec 2017, 01:34 PM
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- Lubo67
- 14 Dec 2017, 12:51 PM
Absolute kack by Celtic. I purchased a season ticket that rotates around my brothers when I'm e.g. I was at site on Wednesday and couldn't attend the Hamilton game so gave the card to my bro. If they're really gonna crack down the you should have the option on your season ticket profile to list individuals you share the card with. Cool your jets. As mentioned above this has always been part of the ts and cs.
Nothing is going to change in terms of letting someone use your ticket when you can't so long as they look just as auld as me when it's a concession.
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BardseyCelt
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14 Dec 2017, 01:36 PM
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Letter reads like a bit of legal back covering in the event someone is injured int he ground while using someone elses ticket or something and attempts to sue or some nonsense. There's no way they're even going to attempt photo IDs etc.
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Lubo67
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14 Dec 2017, 01:41 PM
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- searcher52
- 14 Dec 2017, 01:34 PM
- Lubo67
- 14 Dec 2017, 12:51 PM
Absolute kack by Celtic. I purchased a season ticket that rotates around my brothers when I'm e.g. I was at site on Wednesday and couldn't attend the Hamilton game so gave the card to my bro. If they're really gonna crack down the you should have the option on your season ticket profile to list individuals you share the card with.
Cool your jets. As mentioned above this has always been part of the ts and cs. Nothing is going to change in terms of letting someone use your ticket when you can't so long as they look just as auld as me when it's a concession.  I'm not raging but its a crap policy to enforce now.
We are all in ours 20s anyway so age isn't a big issue.
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noelab
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14 Dec 2017, 01:57 PM
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"In line with the above policy, the Celtic Ticket Office is not obliged to provide information about the named Season Ticket Holder to any third party or facilitate access to the Stadium, for any individual who is not the named Season Ticket Holder."
Think that is the important bit.
Basically it's either if say, plod, sees someone up to something that they don't like and that person isn't the SB holder, the club isn't obliged to identify who it is, or it's not dealing with a problem of someone who can't get in and who isn't the SB holder.
It isn't a real crack down on giving your ticket to your Bro' when you can't make the game.
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searcher52
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14 Dec 2017, 02:00 PM
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- 14 Dec 2017, 01:57 PM
"In line with the above policy, the Celtic Ticket Office is not obliged to provide information about the named Season Ticket Holder to any third party or facilitate access to the Stadium, for any individual who is not the named Season Ticket Holder."
Think that is the important bit.
Basically it's either if say, plod, sees someone up to something that they don't like and that person isn't the SB holder, the club isn't obliged to identify who it is, or it's not dealing with a problem of someone who can't get in and who isn't the SB holder.
It isn't a real crack down on giving your ticket to your Bro' when you can't make the game. Good shout. Quite possibly ahead of big changes coming into force next year in relation to Data Protection legislation.
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ballbhoy
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14 Dec 2017, 02:18 PM
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- connorj
- 14 Dec 2017, 12:01 PM
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- 14 Dec 2017, 11:34 AM
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- 14 Dec 2017, 11:21 AM
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Letter reads as follows: ------------------------- Dear Supporter Season Tickets 2017/2018 We are writing to all our season ticket holders to clarify an issue relative to the use of Season Tickets at Celtic Park. This relates to the use of a Season Ticket by someone other than the named Season Ticket Holder and, whilst this may not be applicable to you directly, we hope that by clarifying the Club policy on this matter it may prevent any confusion or issues arising in future. Season Tickets for Celtic Park are for use of the named Season Ticket Holder only and the use by any third parties, including family and friends is not permitted. Further information can be found in our 2017/2018 Season Ticket Terms and Conditions, a copy of which can be found at www.celticfc.net/tickets This policy is in place to ensure supporter safety and security and ensures the Club is compliant with SPFL regulations. In line with the above policy, the Celtic Ticket Office is not obliged to provide information about the named Season Ticket Holder to any third party or facilitate access to the Stadium, for any individual who is not the named Season Ticket Holder. The Celtic Ticket Office will of course always endeavour to assist named Season Ticket Holders, however in all cases relating to use of Season Tickets photo ID is required. I would like to thank you for your co-operation in this matter, Yours sincerely, Angela Forbes Ticket Office Manager ------------------------- Could possibly be about Adults using kids tickets. That could only be the logical reason to send out such a thing.
I'd say it's people who are not the ST holder either coming to the TO looking for reprints as they lost/misplaced/forgot the ST they'd be given or folk arriving at the the wrong turnstyle and getting refused and ending up in the TO trying to sort the problem (and TO realising they're not dealing with the ST holder) I know there was still a huge queue at the TO when the Anderlecht match kicked off and I'd guess a lot was to do with this sort of stuff and the TO are probably trying to limit this stuff going forward. If the people you give your ST to know where they're going then I don't think you'll have any problems swapping them about in the future. This is the reason for the letter.
The ticket office should not be issuing paper tickets to non-season book holders when this happens. They've been tightening up in this in recent weeks (I had a young lad travelling with us who forgot his season books). Celtic refused to do a reprint despite his mother phoning them personally (he's a fair distance from Celtic Park). Harsh lesson.
However Celtic ticket office are about to be audited soon so I imagine this is why they are tightening up.
In May next year, the Data Protection Act (DPA) will be replaced by the EU’s General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) and businesses face all sorts of new legislation. I'd imagine this may be contributing to these letters being sent out.
As for adults using child tickets. Celtic have been (rightly) enforcing this recently. There's been checks on the other side of the turnstile as most game recently.
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Bhoyball
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14 Dec 2017, 02:26 PM
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I was in London a year ago and went down to Emirates to take in a game. Ended up buying from a tout who had several dozen ST all with different peoples names. The one i got was under a womans name and my lad was a different name again He even gave me a atamped address envelope to post the ST back to him after game. There was a gang of the touts all doing the same thing. This is organised touting. I wondered how they get away with it? And how do they get the ST back if I don't return? Do they continually phone up and say its lost?
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elparaiso
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14 Dec 2017, 02:34 PM
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- 14 Dec 2017, 02:26 PM
I was in London a year ago and went down to Emirates to take in a game. Ended up buying from a tout who had several dozen ST all with different peoples names. The one i got was under a womans name and my lad was a different name again He even gave me a atamped address envelope to post the ST back to him after game. There was a gang of the touts all doing the same thing. This is organised touting. I wondered how they get away with it? And how do they get the ST back if I don't return? Do they continually phone up and say its lost? I think Arsenal have just cancelled a load of season tickets, presumably for this kind of enterprise.
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Wailer
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14 Dec 2017, 02:55 PM
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So if you upgrade a child's tkt for the sevco match is it ok to give to someone other than the kid ? Some folk don't want their kids to hear x-rated bile !
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McStay
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14 Dec 2017, 03:10 PM
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I think the end game here is that Celtic don't want you giving your ticket to a family member/friend even if you can't make it. They'll want a system in place where you inform them you can't make it and they can sell the ticket on to someone else. I think that'd be shampoo and putting money first but it wouldn't surprise me if that ends up happening. Other clubs already do it.
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fatboab
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14 Dec 2017, 03:17 PM
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I think the end game here is that Celtic don't want you giving your ticket to a family member/friend even if you can't make it. They'll want a system in place where you inform them you can't make it and they can sell the ticket on to someone else. I think that'd be shampoo and putting money first but it wouldn't surprise me if that ends up happening. Other clubs already do it. can't see that being workable unless we have ID Cards and stewards on every single turnstile at every single match. Oh, and they'd need to be immune from taking a bung. Ballbhoy explained what it's all about a few posts up.
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Willie Wonka
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14 Dec 2017, 03:23 PM
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- 14 Dec 2017, 11:34 AM
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I'd say it's people who are not the ST holder either coming to the TO looking for reprints as they lost/misplaced/forgot the ST they'd be given or folk arriving at the the wrong turnstyle and getting refused and ending up in the TO trying to sort the problem (and TO realising they're not dealing with the ST holder) I know there was still a huge queue at the TO when the Anderlecht match kicked off and I'd guess a lot was to do with this sort of stuff and the TO are probably trying to limit this stuff going forward. If the people you give your ST to know where they're going then I don't think you'll have any problems swapping them about in the future.
This is the reason for the letter. The ticket office should not be issuing paper tickets to non-season book holders when this happens. They've been tightening up in this in recent weeks (I had a young lad travelling with us who forgot his season books). Celtic refused to do a reprint despite his mother phoning them personally (he's a fair distance from Celtic Park). Harsh lesson. However Celtic ticket office are about to be audited soon so I imagine this is why they are tightening up. In May next year, the Data Protection Act (DPA) will be replaced by the EU’s General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) and businesses face all sorts of new legislation. I'd imagine this may be contributing to these letters being sent out. As for adults using child tickets. Celtic have been (rightly) enforcing this recently. There's been checks on the other side of the turnstile as most game recently. think you're probably right with this, wont stop the knees from jerking though.
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McStay
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14 Dec 2017, 03:24 PM
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I think the end game here is that Celtic don't want you giving your ticket to a family member/friend even if you can't make it. They'll want a system in place where you inform them you can't make it and they can sell the ticket on to someone else. I think that'd be shampoo and putting money first but it wouldn't surprise me if that ends up happening. Other clubs already do it.
can't see that being workable unless we have ID Cards and stewards on every single turnstile at every single match. Oh, and they'd need to be immune from taking a bung. Ballbhoy explained what it's all about a few posts up. Why would they need those things? Say you can't make a game, you phone up Celtic and tell them, they then deactivate your ST card for that match and sell a paper ticket to someone else.
As far as I'm aware some EPL clubs already do this and it's workable.
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Rosco67
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14 Dec 2017, 03:27 PM
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I think the end game here is that Celtic don't want you giving your ticket to a family member/friend even if you can't make it. They'll want a system in place where you inform them you can't make it and they can sell the ticket on to someone else. I think that'd be shampoo and putting money first but it wouldn't surprise me if that ends up happening. Other clubs already do it.
can't see that being workable unless we have ID Cards and stewards on every single turnstile at every single match. Oh, and they'd need to be immune from taking a bung. Ballbhoy explained what it's all about a few posts up.
Why would they need those things? Say you can't make a game, you phone up Celtic and tell them, they then deactivate your ST card for that match and sell a paper ticket to someone else. As far as I'm aware some EPL clubs already do this and it's workable. Do the clubs keep the full profit on the resale of the ticket? If so I'd be letting the ticket sit idle. Chancing effers.
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14 Dec 2017, 03:28 PM
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I think the end game here is that Celtic don't want you giving your ticket to a family member/friend even if you can't make it. They'll want a system in place where you inform them you can't make it and they can sell the ticket on to someone else. I think that'd be shampoo and putting money first but it wouldn't surprise me if that ends up happening. Other clubs already do it.
can't see that being workable unless we have ID Cards and stewards on every single turnstile at every single match. Oh, and they'd need to be immune from taking a bung. Ballbhoy explained what it's all about a few posts up.
Why would they need those things? Say you can't make a game, you phone up Celtic and tell them, they then deactivate your ST card for that match and sell a paper ticket to someone else. As far as I'm aware some EPL clubs already do this and it's workable. How much does the owner of the tkt get from the sale?
They'd have made a fortune last night More trouble than it's worth IMO.
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14 Dec 2017, 03:31 PM
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I think the end game here is that Celtic don't want you giving your ticket to a family member/friend even if you can't make it. They'll want a system in place where you inform them you can't make it and they can sell the ticket on to someone else. I think that'd be shampoo and putting money first but it wouldn't surprise me if that ends up happening. Other clubs already do it.
can't see that being workable unless we have ID Cards and stewards on every single turnstile at every single match. Oh, and they'd need to be immune from taking a bung. Ballbhoy explained what it's all about a few posts up.
Why would they need those things? Say you can't make a game, you phone up Celtic and tell them, they then deactivate your ST card for that match and sell a paper ticket to someone else. As far as I'm aware some EPL clubs already do this and it's workable. I know, as you say, some clubs do something like this. But doesn't that mean a refund to the ST holder? They can't pocket two payments for one seat.
That scheme also requires that there's a big demand for the game, otherwise there's no incentive for the club. But those games are the ones that ST holders tend to prioritise anyway.
Tbh, a scheme where if you can't make a game then the club resells your seat and you get some or all of your money back would make plenty of ST holders pretty happy, no?
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14 Dec 2017, 03:42 PM
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Why would they need those things? Say you can't make a game, you phone up Celtic and tell them, they then deactivate your ST card for that match and sell a paper ticket to someone else. As far as I'm aware some EPL clubs already do this and it's workable.
I know, as you say, some clubs do something like this. But doesn't that mean a refund to the ST holder? They can't pocket two payments for one seat. That scheme also requires that there's a big demand for the game, otherwise there's no incentive for the club. But those games are the ones that ST holders tend to prioritise anyway. Tbh, a scheme where if you can't make a game then the club resells your seat and you get some or all of your money back would make plenty of ST holders pretty happy, no? That's a fair point. I'm not sure how it works out.
If we get to keep the dosh then I hope they bring it in
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14 Dec 2017, 03:42 PM
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I think the end game here is that Celtic don't want you giving your ticket to a family member/friend even if you can't make it. They'll want a system in place where you inform them you can't make it and they can sell the ticket on to someone else. I think that'd be shampoo and putting money first but it wouldn't surprise me if that ends up happening. Other clubs already do it.
can't see that being workable unless we have ID Cards and stewards on every single turnstile at every single match. Oh, and they'd need to be immune from taking a bung. Ballbhoy explained what it's all about a few posts up.
Why would they need those things? Say you can't make a game, you phone up Celtic and tell them, they then deactivate your ST card for that match and sell a paper ticket to someone else. As far as I'm aware some EPL clubs already do this and it's workable. I can't see a system like this coming in anytime soon.
We don't sell out very many games
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14 Dec 2017, 03:49 PM
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- 14 Dec 2017, 02:55 PM
So if you upgrade a child's tkt for the sevco match is it ok to give to someone other than the kid ? Some folk don't want their kids to hear x-rated bile ! From the t&cs...
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Concession Season Ticket Match Upgrade. For a maximum of two matches during the Season, the Holder of a concession rate Season Ticket is enttled to upgrade such concession rate Season Ticket to a full adult tcket and to transfer that adult tcket to another named individual for a fee, payable by the inital Holder to the Club, of £20 per match. The inital Holder may not charge for the named individual any more than £20 for the adult tcket.
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14 Dec 2017, 03:51 PM
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So if you upgrade a child's tkt for the sevco match is it ok to give to someone other than the kid ? Some folk don't want their kids to hear x-rated bile !
From the t&cs... - Quote:
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Concession Season Ticket Match Upgrade. For a maximum of two matches during the Season, the Holder of a concession rate Season Ticket is enttled to upgrade such concession rate Season Ticket to a full adult tcket and to transfer that adult tcket to another named individual for a fee, payable by the inital Holder to the Club, of £20 per match. The inital Holder may not charge for the named individual any more than £20 for the adult tcket.
Fecking hell.
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