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Scott Brown...Celtic Great; Our Captain
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Topic Started: 16 Oct 2017, 10:52 PM (26,220 Views)
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Larbertbhoy
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18 Oct 2017, 10:38 PM
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- jebus82
- 18 Oct 2017, 10:25 PM
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- 18 Oct 2017, 10:13 PM
Outstanding tonight. His lack of mentions in the Motm thread is beyond belief.
its not really, he wasnt pish tonight but didnt exactly do anything of note either. Apart from look like he belonged at that level .
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19 Oct 2017, 07:10 AM
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Outstanding tonight. His lack of mentions in the Motm thread is beyond belief.
No one was outstanding in a Celtic jersey tonight. Thought Brown was sluggish as eff, gave the ball away in threatening positions a few times. It can be forgiven due to his injury lay off though. Don’t think he was 100%.
Really. Sluggish as eff ? Utter tripe if you don't mind me saying so. He was the only one looking for the ball, was breaking up more attacks than anyone else, and his passing was better tha most. If he was sluggish towards the end it was because he was knackered doing a lot of the work Ntcham and Armstrong were meant to be doing. He was better in the second half than he was the first.
He had some good moments but handed them 2 or 3 chances on a plate.
Ntcham did more in possession.
As I said, he wasn’t 100% and can be forgiven. He’s been consistently excellent in Europe since Rodgers came in.
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ballbhoy
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19 Oct 2017, 07:33 AM
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- Haitch
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- 18 Oct 2017, 10:19 PM
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Really. Sluggish as eff ? Utter tripe if you don't mind me saying so. He was the only one looking for the ball, was breaking up more attacks than anyone else, and his passing was better tha most. If he was sluggish towards the end it was because he was knackered doing a lot of the work Ntcham and Armstrong were meant to be doing.
He was better in the second half than he was the first. He had some good moments but handed them 2 or 3 chances on a plate. Ntcham did more in possession. As I said, he wasn’t 100% and can be forgiven. He’s been consistently excellent in Europe since Rodgers came in. Ntcham had the ball in possession at the edge of his own box. Instead of finding a team ate he launched it aimlessly up field. Bayern quickly returned down the left flank crossed and it was 2-0. If that's what you mean about Ntcham doing more in possession then fair enough. Personally thought he was pretty poor.
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ballbhoy
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19 Oct 2017, 10:23 AM
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Just to add to this thread. Here's the link to passing stats for all players last night.
Scott Brown's continues to have a high standard. Based on these stats I'm not sure how he could offer Bayern 3 chances on a plate.
He attempted 57 passes and completed 56.
http://www.uefa.com/newsfiles/ucl/2018/2021630_tpd.pdf
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19 Oct 2017, 10:26 AM
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He gave the ball away once in quite a poor position but generally thought he was a distinct cut above most of the rest of our team in a tough game against vastly superior opponents.
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19 Oct 2017, 10:29 AM
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- van Doesburg
- 18 Oct 2017, 05:54 PM
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- 18 Oct 2017, 05:36 PM
I've been critical of Brown over the years (rightly so on most occasions) but he's been an excellent captain.
Although it's maybe to be expected given his character, I don't particularly like the argument about the impact on the team when he's not playing. It doesn't reflect well on them at all that they need a leader in there to hold their hand. It was also the case when Lennon was the manager and maybe (can't be arsed checking) it was the case when Keane and Gerrard were missing for Man U and Liverpool. I dunno.
As enjoyable as he's been to watch over the last 18 months it's tinged with a 'wish someone like Rodgers had got a hold of him earlier' feeling. Strachan, Mowbray, Deila and, to a lesser extent, Lennon didn't really know how to get the best out of him.
Was it not Lennon who really started to get the best out of SB? Previously, SB was often criticised for lacking positional discipline (and discipline in general). NL gave him a clear role and got him to stick to that. Though he also said that he didn't want to take the 'devil' out of him. At least that's how I remember it. Lennon certainly got more out of him than the others, but nothing close to what Rodgers is getting from him.
He was still very guilty of getting dragged ahead of the ball and completely out the game. Something which very, very rarely happens these days.
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Larbertbhoy
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19 Oct 2017, 10:31 AM
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- 19 Oct 2017, 10:23 AM
Just to add to this thread. Here's the link to passing stats for all players last night. Scott Brown's continues to have a high standard. Based on these stats I'm not sure how he could offer Bayern 3 chances on a plate. He attempted 57 passes and completed 56. http://www.uefa.com/newsfiles/ucl/2018/2021630_tpd.pdf Dinner is served
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19 Oct 2017, 10:32 AM
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If we had players of the same quality as Brown in every position in the pitch we would be giving top sides like Bayern a much.much tougher game.
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19 Oct 2017, 10:33 AM
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- Stringer Bell
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I've been critical of Brown over the years (rightly so on most occasions) but he's been an excellent captain.
Although it's maybe to be expected given his character, I don't particularly like the argument about the impact on the team when he's not playing. It doesn't reflect well on them at all that they need a leader in there to hold their hand. It was also the case when Lennon was the manager and maybe (can't be arsed checking) it was the case when Keane and Gerrard were missing for Man U and Liverpool. I dunno.
As enjoyable as he's been to watch over the last 18 months it's tinged with a 'wish someone like Rodgers had got a hold of him earlier' feeling. Strachan, Mowbray, Deila and, to a lesser extent, Lennon didn't really know how to get the best out of him.
Was it not Lennon who really started to get the best out of SB? Previously, SB was often criticised for lacking positional discipline (and discipline in general). NL gave him a clear role and got him to stick to that. Though he also said that he didn't want to take the 'devil' out of him. At least that's how I remember it.
Lennon certainly got more out of him than the others, but nothing close to what Rodgers is getting from him. He was still very guilty of getting dragged ahead of the ball and completely out the game. Something which very, very rarely happens these days. Agreed.
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19 Oct 2017, 10:38 AM
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- ballbhoy
- 19 Oct 2017, 10:23 AM
Just to add to this thread. Here's the link to passing stats for all players last night. Scott Brown's continues to have a high standard. Based on these stats I'm not sure how he could offer Bayern 3 chances on a plate. He attempted 57 passes and completed 56. http://www.uefa.com/newsfiles/ucl/2018/2021630_tpd.pdf Some really good passes too hit wide to the full backs. Needs a quality DM beside for games like last night.
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jebus82
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19 Oct 2017, 12:04 PM
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- Larbertbhoy
- 19 Oct 2017, 10:31 AM
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- 19 Oct 2017, 10:23 AM
Just to add to this thread. Here's the link to passing stats for all players last night. Scott Brown's continues to have a high standard. Based on these stats I'm not sure how he could offer Bayern 3 chances on a plate. He attempted 57 passes and completed 56. http://www.uefa.com/newsfiles/ucl/2018/2021630_tpd.pdf
Dinner is served this again, how many of those were in midfield, and how many were from dropping back to defence and passing the ball from there under no pressure? Ntchams passing stats are more impressive as the majority were actually attempted from midfield. Browns passing stats are constantly high because of where he picks it up and passes from (rodgers tactic) he is generally passing from defence under no pressure into a midfielder or full back. You want impressive passing stats go and look at thiago and ruddy's who are constantly doing it from midfield areas under pressure.
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19 Oct 2017, 12:15 PM
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- 19 Oct 2017, 10:31 AM
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- 19 Oct 2017, 10:23 AM
Just to add to this thread. Here's the link to passing stats for all players last night. Scott Brown's continues to have a high standard. Based on these stats I'm not sure how he could offer Bayern 3 chances on a plate. He attempted 57 passes and completed 56. http://www.uefa.com/newsfiles/ucl/2018/2021630_tpd.pdf
Dinner is served  this again, how many of those were in midfield, and how many were from dropping back to defence and passing the ball from there under no pressure? Ntchams passing stats are more impressive as the majority were actually attempted from midfield. Browns passing stats are constantly high because of where he picks it up and passes from (rodgers tactic) he is generally passing from defence under no pressure into a midfielder or full back. You want impressive passing stats go and look at thiago and ruddy's who are constantly doing it from midfield areas under pressure. I'm not sure how you can distil from that link were the passes are made from.
However I will extract the following
Long Passes
Brown Attempted 5. Completed 5
Ntcham Attempted 4. Completed 3
Medium passes
Brown attempted 40. Completed 40 Ntcham attempted 33 completed 31.
The most passes Ntcham made were to Gamboa. Yet you criticise Brown for doing the same.
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jebus82
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19 Oct 2017, 12:44 PM
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- ballbhoy
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 this again, how many of those were in midfield, and how many were from dropping back to defence and passing the ball from there under no pressure? Ntchams passing stats are more impressive as the majority were actually attempted from midfield. Browns passing stats are constantly high because of where he picks it up and passes from (rodgers tactic) he is generally passing from defence under no pressure into a midfielder or full back. You want impressive passing stats go and look at thiago and ruddy's who are constantly doing it from midfield areas under pressure.
I'm not sure how you can distil from that link were the passes are made from. However I will extract the following Long Passes Brown Attempted 5. Completed 5 Ntcham Attempted 4. Completed 3 Medium passes Brown attempted 40. Completed 40 Ntcham attempted 33 completed 31. The most passes Ntcham made were to Gamboa. Yet you criticise Brown for doing the same. its quite easy by watching the actual game
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Larbertbhoy
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19 Oct 2017, 12:48 PM
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 this again, how many of those were in midfield, and how many were from dropping back to defence and passing the ball from there under no pressure? Ntchams passing stats are more impressive as the majority were actually attempted from midfield. Browns passing stats are constantly high because of where he picks it up and passes from (rodgers tactic) he is generally passing from defence under no pressure into a midfielder or full back. You want impressive passing stats go and look at thiago and ruddy's who are constantly doing it from midfield areas under pressure.
I'm not sure how you can distil from that link were the passes are made from. However I will extract the following Long Passes Brown Attempted 5. Completed 5 Ntcham Attempted 4. Completed 3 Medium passes Brown attempted 40. Completed 40 Ntcham attempted 33 completed 31. The most passes Ntcham made were to Gamboa. Yet you criticise Brown for doing the same. And there's yir pudding !
Good exchange lads, enjoying it.
I think we can agree Broony is da man, and we are much worse off without him
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19 Oct 2017, 12:49 PM
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Love Tommy as a man, but I don't think he was very good. He wouldn't make our midfield today. Do you even watch football?
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ballbhoy
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19 Oct 2017, 01:08 PM
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I'm not sure how you can distil from that link were the passes are made from. However I will extract the following Long Passes Brown Attempted 5. Completed 5 Ntcham Attempted 4. Completed 3 Medium passes Brown attempted 40. Completed 40 Ntcham attempted 33 completed 31. The most passes Ntcham made were to Gamboa. Yet you criticise Brown for doing the same.
its quite easy by watching the actual game Fair play to you mate. Personally I watch the game rather than counting passes from certain areas of the game. It's impressive that you can distil such information and store it for reference in the future.
I'm going to stick with the UEFA stats all being equal.
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19 Oct 2017, 01:11 PM
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He is our midfield.
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19 Oct 2017, 01:22 PM
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Just to add to this thread. Here's the link to passing stats for all players last night. Scott Brown's continues to have a high standard. Based on these stats I'm not sure how he could offer Bayern 3 chances on a plate. He attempted 57 passes and completed 56. http://www.uefa.com/newsfiles/ucl/2018/2021630_tpd.pdf
Dinner is served  this again, how many of those were in midfield, and how many were from dropping back to defence and passing the ball from there under no pressure? Ntchams passing stats are more impressive as the majority were actually attempted from midfield. Browns passing stats are constantly high because of where he picks it up and passes from (rodgers tactic) he is generally passing from defence under no pressure into a midfielder or full back. You want impressive passing stats go and look at thiago and ruddy's who are constantly doing it from midfield areas under pressure. We were under intense pressure back to front until they backed off the last half hour. Gordon struggled to get time to clear FFS.
I suppose Brown completed all those passes in the last 30 minutes did he?
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19 Oct 2017, 01:28 PM
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I'm not sure how you can distil from that link were the passes are made from. However I will extract the following Long Passes Brown Attempted 5. Completed 5 Ntcham Attempted 4. Completed 3 Medium passes Brown attempted 40. Completed 40 Ntcham attempted 33 completed 31. The most passes Ntcham made were to Gamboa. Yet you criticise Brown for doing the same.
its quite easy by watching the actual game The stats fiends crack me up. You can 'complete' a pass and it's still a poor pass because the player getting the ball is under pressure and loses it. We did plenty of that last night.
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19 Oct 2017, 01:32 PM
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- 19 Oct 2017, 10:31 AM
 this again, how many of those were in midfield, and how many were from dropping back to defence and passing the ball from there under no pressure? Ntchams passing stats are more impressive as the majority were actually attempted from midfield. Browns passing stats are constantly high because of where he picks it up and passes from (rodgers tactic) he is generally passing from defence under no pressure into a midfielder or full back. You want impressive passing stats go and look at thiago and ruddy's who are constantly doing it from midfield areas under pressure.
We were under intense pressure back to front until they backed off the last half hour. Gordon struggled to get time to clear FFS. I suppose Brown completed all those passes in the last 30 minutes did he? That's actually an interesting point you make.
I had a look at passes that were made to our attacking players.
Brown made 7 passes to Roberts, Sinclair and Griffiths.
Ntcham made 7 passes to Roberts, Sinclair and Griffiths.
That doesn't support the view that the majority of Ntchams passes were more adventurous compared to Brown.
However James Forrest came on in 78 minutes. In the remaining 12 minutes Ntcham made 6 passes to Forrest. Nearly the same number he made in the previous 78 minutes. It would seem that Ntcham faired better when under less pressure.
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