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Scott Brown...Celtic Great; Our Captain
Topic Started: 16 Oct 2017, 10:52 PM (26,223 Views)
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Luigi
17 Oct 2017, 08:56 AM
Wrong to compare Scott Brown with Billy as Billy is iconic.
We won't be seeing any statues of Scott on the Celtic way!!

Scott's a great player for Celtic and definitely ahead of Peter Grant.
I know it's too early to be talking about statues on the Celtic way but there will a lot of youngsters who have grown up with Scott Brown in the Celtic team.
By the time these guys are in their forties they will be looking back, hopefully on ten in a row, and praising Scott Browns committment to the team and its success.

I think Scott Brown is great for Celtic, not necessarily a great player but a valuable player and sorely missed (like at the weekend against Dundee) when he is not playing.

He has been a grat captain for us and seems to love playing for us.
He deserves to be acknowledged as a Celtic great and like everything else it will lead to "naw he isnae", "aye he is", so and so was better.

Keep playing, and winning Scott for as long as you can.
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17 Oct 2017, 08:12 AM
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17 Oct 2017, 07:53 AM
What's the record for a player captaining a Championship winning team?

Billy is on 9, I think Butcher then Gough captained deidco during their 9 IAR, I take it 9s the magic number, don't think anyone's had this level of dominance before.
Was Gough there for the full nine years? Brown has seven winners medals. Assuming we win it this year he needs to win the 2018/2019 season to draw level with McNeill.
He's got the full set, they won the league every season from from 1989 to 1997.

However Butcher doesn't leave till 1990 which I imagine meant Gough at most captained them for 8 seasons.

Brown has 7 winners medals, only 6 as captain though McManus captained the side in 2007/2008.

The overall most titles won record I believe is held by Bobby Lennox with 11, Ian Ferguson might be level with him though?
Edited by Butters, 17 Oct 2017, 12:12 PM.
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17 Oct 2017, 11:28 AM
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17 Oct 2017, 11:20 AM
Also Billy McNeil was never subbed as a Celtic player.
Not sure that’s true.
Think I read it in the Lisbon Lions book :ponder:

The main thing about it though was , as FB says he played in an era where there were no subs and also Jock didn't like the substitution rule when it came in and so even when there were opportunities for subs, he didn't take them.

I'm away to check that now.....

Saw Krungtheps post so my "fact" was wrong :(

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As captain he won nine Scottish League championships, seven Scottish Cups, and six Scottish League Cups. He also led the team to victory in the European Cup in 1967, as part of the "Lisbon Lions", and was the first British footballer to hold aloft the European Cup. He retired as a player in 1975 after 790 appearances for Celtic, in which he played every minute, never having been substituted. He won 29 caps for Scotland. McNeill also represented the Scottish League XI.[3]
Edited by Luigi, 17 Oct 2017, 01:02 PM.
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He's not even in the running for our greatest ever player, but it can be argued that he's our greatest ever captain. A quick look at his trophy haul and the noticeable gap that we see when he isn't in the team adds weight to that.
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Respectfully he's not able to lace Danny McGrain's boots as a captain, or Tommy Burns' as a player.

But I'm sure he'd recognise that, and that is no disgrace. Those two were absolutely sublime footballers.

However he is a better captain than Paul McStay, but nowhere near as good a player.

Of all he payers who have made similar appearance numbers for us, he is up there and able to be mentioned with them all in terms of ability, and close to the very top as a captain.
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17 Oct 2017, 01:02 PM
but it can be argued that he's our greatest ever captain.
I really don't think it can.

McNeill well ahead of the rest in that regard.
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Indeed.

McNeill was a player who was known, respected and feared throughout Europe.

He also played during an era when the huns and other teams were much stronger than they are now.
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17 Oct 2017, 01:11 PM
Respectfully he's not able to lace Danny McGrain's boots as a captain, or Tommy Burns' as a player.
Disagree, he's every bit as vital to this Celtic side as Danny was to his ( maybe moreso) and is every bit as influential a Captain.

I also believe he is a better player than Tommy was, I know that may not go down well and I love TB as much as any Celtic fan but I think it's misty eyed romanticism to say Brown couldn't lace his boots.


McGrain was a far better player than both.
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17 Oct 2017, 01:02 PM
He's not even in the running for our greatest ever player, but it can be argued that he's our greatest ever captain. A quick look at his trophy haul and the noticeable gap that we see when he isn't in the team adds weight to that.
Your talking about Billy McNeill here aren't you?

Maybe not as good a player as Jinky, Dalglish, Murdoch, Larsson but he's arguably the greatest living figure in Celtiv history.

Edited by Butters, 17 Oct 2017, 03:50 PM.
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Butters
17 Oct 2017, 03:48 PM
PM67
17 Oct 2017, 01:02 PM
He's not even in the running for our greatest ever player, but it can be argued that he's our greatest ever captain. A quick look at his trophy haul and the noticeable gap that we see when he isn't in the team adds weight to that.
Your talking about Billy McNeill here aren't you?

Maybe not as good a player as Jinky, Dalglish, Murdoch, Larsson but he's arguably the greatest living figure in Celtiv history.

No. Brown.
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17 Oct 2017, 02:06 PM
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17 Oct 2017, 01:11 PM
Respectfully he's not able to lace Danny McGrain's boots as a captain, or Tommy Burns' as a player.
Disagree, he's every bit as vital to this Celtic side as Danny was to his ( maybe moreso) and is every bit as influential a Captain.

I also believe he is a better player than Tommy was, I know that may not go down well and I love TB as much as any Celtic fan but I think it's misty eyed romanticism to say Brown couldn't lace his boots.


McGrain was a far better player than both.
Over the whole Brown has been average.

Tommy Burns was a far, far better footballer than Scott Brown.
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17 Oct 2017, 02:06 PM
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17 Oct 2017, 01:11 PM
Respectfully he's not able to lace Danny McGrain's boots as a captain, or Tommy Burns' as a player.
Disagree, he's every bit as vital to this Celtic side as Danny was to his ( maybe moreso) and is every bit as influential a Captain.

I also believe he is a better player than Tommy was, I know that may not go down well and I love TB as much as any Celtic fan but I think it's misty eyed romanticism to say Brown couldn't lace his boots.


McGrain was a far better player than both.
Over the whole Brown has been average.

Tommy Burns was a far, far better footballer than Scott Brown.
Over the whole what ?


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17 Oct 2017, 03:56 PM
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17 Oct 2017, 03:54 PM
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17 Oct 2017, 02:06 PM

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Over the whole Brown has been average.

Tommy Burns was a far, far better footballer than Scott Brown.
Over the whole what ?


Time he's been here.
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Luigi
17 Oct 2017, 12:59 PM
krungthep
17 Oct 2017, 11:28 AM
Luigi
17 Oct 2017, 11:20 AM
Also Billy McNeil was never subbed as a Celtic player.
Not sure that’s true.
Think I read it in the Lisbon Lions book :ponder:

The main thing about it though was , as FB says he played in an era where there were no subs and also Jock didn't like the substitution rule when it came in and so even when there were opportunities for subs, he didn't take them.

I'm away to check that now.....

Saw Krungtheps post so my "fact" was wrong :(

Edit - Wikiedia:

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As captain he won nine Scottish League championships, seven Scottish Cups, and six Scottish League Cups. He also led the team to victory in the European Cup in 1967, as part of the "Lisbon Lions", and was the first British footballer to hold aloft the European Cup. He retired as a player in 1975 after 790 appearances for Celtic, in which he played every minute, never having been substituted. He won 29 caps for Scotland. McNeill also represented the Scottish League XI.[3]
I'm pretty sure Caesar had to go off injured at least once. :hmmm:
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Otis B Driftwood
17 Oct 2017, 04:07 PM
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17 Oct 2017, 12:59 PM
krungthep
17 Oct 2017, 11:28 AM

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Think I read it in the Lisbon Lions book :ponder:

The main thing about it though was , as FB says he played in an era where there were no subs and also Jock didn't like the substitution rule when it came in and so even when there were opportunities for subs, he didn't take them.

I'm away to check that now.....

Saw Krungtheps post so my "fact" was wrong :(

Edit - Wikiedia:

Quote:
 
As captain he won nine Scottish League championships, seven Scottish Cups, and six Scottish League Cups. He also led the team to victory in the European Cup in 1967, as part of the "Lisbon Lions", and was the first British footballer to hold aloft the European Cup. He retired as a player in 1975 after 790 appearances for Celtic, in which he played every minute, never having been substituted. He won 29 caps for Scotland. McNeill also represented the Scottish League XI.[3]
I'm pretty sure Caesar had to go off injured at least once. :hmmm:
I remember reading he was never subbed for Celtic.
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17 Oct 2017, 04:01 PM
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17 Oct 2017, 03:56 PM
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Over the whole what ?


Time he's been here.
You're saying Brown has been average over the 10 years he has been here ?


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17 Oct 2017, 11:28 AM

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Think I read it in the Lisbon Lions book :ponder:<br /><br />The main thing about it though was , as FB says he played in an era where there were no subs and also Jock didn't like the substitution rule when it came in and so even when there were opportunities for subs, he didn't take them.<br /><br />I'm away to check that now.....<br /><br />Saw Krungtheps post so my "fact" was wrong :(<br /><br />Edit - Wikiedia:<br /><br />
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As captain he won nine Scottish League championships, seven Scottish Cups, and six Scottish League Cups. He also led the team to victory in the European Cup in 1967, as part of the "Lisbon Lions", and was the first British footballer to hold aloft the European Cup. He retired as a player in 1975 after 790 appearances for Celtic, in which he played every minute, never having been substituted. He won 29 caps for Scotland. McNeill also represented the Scottish League XI.[3]
I'm pretty sure Caesar had to go off injured at least once. :hmmm:
Cesar.
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He's been a great player for us, and an even better Captain.

Is he one of the best players ever?
No, but that doesn't make him average.
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17 Oct 2017, 04:18 PM
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I'm pretty sure Caesar had to go off injured at least once. :hmmm:
Cesar.
Genuine question, what's the difference between the spellings?
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17 Oct 2017, 06:20 PM
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Cesar.
Genuine question, what's the difference between the spellings?
Read on the wiki that Cesar refers to Cesar Romero, this was Billy McNeill's nickname because he was the only player who owned a car at one point.
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