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Odsonne Édouard - AKA the Remy ITK thread; Fishal. 4 Year Deal.
Topic Started: 30 Aug 2017, 10:35 PM (392,829 Views)
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7 Mar 2018, 01:09 AM
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7 Mar 2018, 12:46 AM
Personally I think we have to accept that between 7 and 9 million euros doesn't even represent the going rate for a striker these days.

Of course we occasionally get a gem and pay peanuts for quality, but that has happened precisely twice in over 20 years - Larsson and Dembele.

More often we've been required to pay well over that for the likes of Harrison, Sutton, Viduka etc, and when we've tried to hit middle ground, we have usually fallen badly and disappointingly short with Puuki, Baldé, Bangura etc.

The idea that there are gems of strikers hidden around the continent for £500-£600k is mostly a very rare exception rather than the rule. I think if we want quality up front, £7-£9m is about the price we're going to have to pay, and it is reliant on us moving them on for double that in 3 years.

On that basis, I'd Take Edouard for £7m or whatever it is. I think he's a good player who will get better and worth the money by today's standards.

On that basis, I'd Take Edouard for £7m or whatever it is. I think he's a good player who will get better and worth the money by today's standards.

What you're saying is correct, but the problem is likely to be what wages will he be expecting.
So you’ve read that statement and think the biggest issue is the wages he’d ask for?


Do people really believe we will spend £7m on one player?
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Bangura deserves a section below duds all to himself.
:lol: Ah, The Banger. I remember him getting pelters after a few subs appearances. I thought to myself "he just needs a start and time to come onto a game". Then he had a start. "Nup, they're right, he's pish!"
I remember someone on here calling him ‘Bang-Bang’ before he even kicked a ball :lol:
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:lol: Ah, The Banger. I remember him getting pelters after a few subs appearances. I thought to myself "he just needs a start and time to come onto a game". Then he had a start. "Nup, they're right, he's pish!"
I remember someone on here calling him ‘Bang-Bang’ before he even kicked a ball :lol:
Quite fitting as I used to think "I wish I had a gun" anytime I watched him play for us.
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Fortune was awful. Huge waste of transfer fee and wages.
Pish.
You're right. He was pish.
Fortune was rotten...heart of a mouse anything out with is nonsense.
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fatboab
7 Mar 2018, 08:14 AM
Chako
7 Mar 2018, 01:09 AM
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7 Mar 2018, 12:46 AM
Personally I think we have to accept that between 7 and 9 million euros doesn't even represent the going rate for a striker these days.

Of course we occasionally get a gem and pay peanuts for quality, but that has happened precisely twice in over 20 years - Larsson and Dembele.

More often we've been required to pay well over that for the likes of Harrison, Sutton, Viduka etc, and when we've tried to hit middle ground, we have usually fallen badly and disappointingly short with Puuki, Baldé, Bangura etc.

The idea that there are gems of strikers hidden around the continent for £500-£600k is mostly a very rare exception rather than the rule. I think if we want quality up front, £7-£9m is about the price we're going to have to pay, and it is reliant on us moving them on for double that in 3 years.

On that basis, I'd Take Edouard for £7m or whatever it is. I think he's a good player who will get better and worth the money by today's standards.

On that basis, I'd Take Edouard for £7m or whatever it is. I think he's a good player who will get better and worth the money by today's standards.

What you're saying is correct, but the problem is likely to be what wages will he be expecting.
So you’ve read that statement and think the biggest issue is the wages he’d ask for?


Do people really believe we will spend £7m on one player?
We'll have spent £7mil on N'tcham come next year ( :pray: ) so I'd like to hope it'd be an option if we bank upwards of £20/25mil for Moussa.
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fatboab
7 Mar 2018, 08:14 AM
Chako
7 Mar 2018, 01:09 AM
Wilfred Benitez
7 Mar 2018, 12:46 AM
Personally I think we have to accept that between 7 and 9 million euros doesn't even represent the going rate for a striker these days.

Of course we occasionally get a gem and pay peanuts for quality, but that has happened precisely twice in over 20 years - Larsson and Dembele.

More often we've been required to pay well over that for the likes of Harrison, Sutton, Viduka etc, and when we've tried to hit middle ground, we have usually fallen badly and disappointingly short with Puuki, Baldé, Bangura etc.

The idea that there are gems of strikers hidden around the continent for £500-£600k is mostly a very rare exception rather than the rule. I think if we want quality up front, £7-£9m is about the price we're going to have to pay, and it is reliant on us moving them on for double that in 3 years.

On that basis, I'd Take Edouard for £7m or whatever it is. I think he's a good player who will get better and worth the money by today's standards.

On that basis, I'd Take Edouard for £7m or whatever it is. I think he's a good player who will get better and worth the money by today's standards.

What you're saying is correct, but the problem is likely to be what wages will he be expecting.
So you’ve read that statement and think the biggest issue is the wages he’d ask for?


Do people really believe we will spend £7m on one player?
If we sell Dembele for upwards of 25million it might be a chance they'd be willing to take although that £7 million striker might not necessarily be Edouard.

With the CL route becoming ever harder a quality striker as always could be the difference between CL groups and Europa league. Get to the groups and he's paid for. Miss out and we should be ok to withstand the hit given the money we've been raking in last few years.

We've proved over the last 10/15 years that generally you get what you pay for when it comes to strikers. Our long list of failures is testimony to that.
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kevtic
7 Mar 2018, 10:27 AM
fatboab
7 Mar 2018, 08:14 AM
Chako
7 Mar 2018, 01:09 AM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepOn that basis, I'd Take Edouard for £7m or whatever it is. I think he's a good player who will get better and worth the money by today's standards.

What you're saying is correct, but the problem is likely to be what wages will he be expecting.
So you’ve read that statement and think the biggest issue is the wages he’d ask for?


Do people really believe we will spend £7m on one player?
If we sell Dembele for upwards of 25million it might be a chance they'd be willing to take although that £7 million striker might not necessarily be Edouard.

With the CL route becoming ever harder a quality striker as always could be the difference between CL groups and Europa league. Get to the groups and he's paid for. Miss out and we should be ok to withstand the hit given the money we've been raking in last few years.

We've proved over the last 10/15 years that generally you get what you pay for when it comes to strikers. Our long list of failures is testimony to that.
Plus the stability and not having to rush to sign a striker next season. If Moussa goes and we don't sign Edouard then we're starting with Griffiths and 2 new guys. I think it's going to take time for people to adjust to us spending 6 million+ but we have to if we even want to stand still this summer. Even the VVD money would cover Edouards fee and wages.
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fatboab
7 Mar 2018, 08:14 AM
Chako
7 Mar 2018, 01:09 AM
Wilfred Benitez
7 Mar 2018, 12:46 AM
Personally I think we have to accept that between 7 and 9 million euros doesn't even represent the going rate for a striker these days.

Of course we occasionally get a gem and pay peanuts for quality, but that has happened precisely twice in over 20 years - Larsson and Dembele.

More often we've been required to pay well over that for the likes of Harrison, Sutton, Viduka etc, and when we've tried to hit middle ground, we have usually fallen badly and disappointingly short with Puuki, Baldé, Bangura etc.

The idea that there are gems of strikers hidden around the continent for £500-£600k is mostly a very rare exception rather than the rule. I think if we want quality up front, £7-£9m is about the price we're going to have to pay, and it is reliant on us moving them on for double that in 3 years.

On that basis, I'd Take Edouard for £7m or whatever it is. I think he's a good player who will get better and worth the money by today's standards.

On that basis, I'd Take Edouard for £7m or whatever it is. I think he's a good player who will get better and worth the money by today's standards.

What you're saying is correct, but the problem is likely to be what wages will he be expecting.
So you’ve read that statement and think the biggest issue is the wages he’d ask for?


Do people really believe we will spend £7m on one player?
Weren't we saying last summer we were prepared to pay at least that for Roberts?

There is no reason not to spend that sort of money on the right player.
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Chako
7 Mar 2018, 01:09 AM
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7 Mar 2018, 12:46 AM
Personally I think we have to accept that between 7 and 9 million euros doesn't even represent the going rate for a striker these days.

Of course we occasionally get a gem and pay peanuts for quality, but that has happened precisely twice in over 20 years - Larsson and Dembele.

More often we've been required to pay well over that for the likes of Harrison, Sutton, Viduka etc, and when we've tried to hit middle ground, we have usually fallen badly and disappointingly short with Puuki, Baldé, Bangura etc.

The idea that there are gems of strikers hidden around the continent for £500-£600k is mostly a very rare exception rather than the rule. I think if we want quality up front, £7-£9m is about the price we're going to have to pay, and it is reliant on us moving them on for double that in 3 years.

On that basis, I'd Take Edouard for £7m or whatever it is. I think he's a good player who will get better and worth the money by today's standards.

On that basis, I'd Take Edouard for £7m or whatever it is. I think he's a good player who will get better and worth the money by today's standards.

What you're saying is correct, but the problem is likely to be what wages will he be expecting.
I think there is a lot of mis-information around the wages that some of these players from the likes of PSG, Chelsea, Man City are on and want.

Some of them will want it all but others will want to see some form of career progression so signing him for 6/7m does not mean 40k plus per week.

If Dembele goes this a positive for him as he can see the positives of coming here.
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7 Mar 2018, 10:27 AM
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7 Mar 2018, 08:14 AM
Chako
7 Mar 2018, 01:09 AM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepOn that basis, I'd Take Edouard for £7m or whatever it is. I think he's a good player who will get better and worth the money by today's standards.

What you're saying is correct, but the problem is likely to be what wages will he be expecting.
So you’ve read that statement and think the biggest issue is the wages he’d ask for?


Do people really believe we will spend £7m on one player?
If we sell Dembele for upwards of 25million it might be a chance they'd be willing to take although that £7 million striker might not necessarily be Edouard.

With the CL route becoming ever harder a quality striker as always could be the difference between CL groups and Europa league. Get to the groups and he's paid for. Miss out and we should be ok to withstand the hit given the money we've been raking in last few years.

We've proved over the last 10/15 years that generally you get what you pay for when it comes to strikers. Our long list of failures is testimony to that.
All true.

We have seen the impact of not investing in football and financial terms in Europe in recent years.

Surely the latter ill prompt a bit of investment, even if the former doesn't.

I don't think the £7m on a single player every other year is beyond us. Also I'm not sure how big some of the wages are around Europe that we seemingly can't compete with.

The EPL is bloated, but the top teams in the top leagues aside, I think we can get close to their wage levels and offer a tactical stepping stone to the more lucrative EPL.

Harsh, but that's where we are.
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fatboab
7 Mar 2018, 08:14 AM
Chako
7 Mar 2018, 01:09 AM
Wilfred Benitez
7 Mar 2018, 12:46 AM
Personally I think we have to accept that between 7 and 9 million euros doesn't even represent the going rate for a striker these days.

Of course we occasionally get a gem and pay peanuts for quality, but that has happened precisely twice in over 20 years - Larsson and Dembele.

More often we've been required to pay well over that for the likes of Harrison, Sutton, Viduka etc, and when we've tried to hit middle ground, we have usually fallen badly and disappointingly short with Puuki, Baldé, Bangura etc.

The idea that there are gems of strikers hidden around the continent for £500-£600k is mostly a very rare exception rather than the rule. I think if we want quality up front, £7-£9m is about the price we're going to have to pay, and it is reliant on us moving them on for double that in 3 years.

On that basis, I'd Take Edouard for £7m or whatever it is. I think he's a good player who will get better and worth the money by today's standards.

On that basis, I'd Take Edouard for £7m or whatever it is. I think he's a good player who will get better and worth the money by today's standards.

What you're saying is correct, but the problem is likely to be what wages will he be expecting.
So you’ve read that statement and think the biggest issue is the wages he’d ask for?


Do people really believe we will spend £7m on one player?
TBH, if we've already sat down with his representatives & PSG _ which we have & agreed on a purchase price, then yes I'd say we're prepared to pay it...if he's good enough.

Going by current market value & his undoubted potential + the fact that Brendan really likes him (says he can play various positions, has power, pace & good link up play) - he's easily worth £7m.

If Brendan chooses to spend (what you'd have to think would be a large part of) his budget on one player, then we will.

Times have changed & it looks like we won't be getting guys like Wanyama or VVD on the cheap, ever again. :(
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7 Mar 2018, 01:44 PM
fatboab
7 Mar 2018, 08:14 AM
Chako
7 Mar 2018, 01:09 AM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepOn that basis, I'd Take Edouard for £7m or whatever it is. I think he's a good player who will get better and worth the money by today's standards.

What you're saying is correct, but the problem is likely to be what wages will he be expecting.
So you’ve read that statement and think the biggest issue is the wages he’d ask for?


Do people really believe we will spend £7m on one player?
TBH, if we've already sat down with his representatives & PSG _ which we have & agreed on a purchase price, then yes I'd say we're prepared to pay it...if he's good enough.

Going by current market value & his undoubted potential + the fact that Brendan really likes him (says he can play various positions, has power, pace & good link up play) - he's easily worth £7m.

If Brendan chooses to spend (what you'd have to think would be a large part of) his budget on one player, then we will.

Times have changed & it looks like we won't be getting guys like Wanyama or VVD on the cheap, ever again. :(
I think we will but they won't be one a season, they'll be one every 3-4 seasons.

I also think that if we increase every so slightly what we view the entry price to pay is from £900k-£1.2m to say £3-4 million, we can sell on for not £10-12m but say £20-£30m to the bloated EPL.

Either way, I think we're going to have to outlay a few higher fees than we're used to in the coming years. Kouassi and Ntcham look like that might already but underway.
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i agrree with Wilfred , we need to get our heads round the idea of paying more for players , then consequently make more from them if they move on. 7m really isn't a lot for Eddie given the insanity down south. I mean , heres a guy being offered 15k a week to play in the 4th tier for gods sake.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/5718094/notts-county-boss-kevin-nolan-offers-diego-capel-15k-a-week-to-become-highest-paid-league-two-player/
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i agrree with Wilfred , we need to get our heads round the idea of paying more for players , then consequently make more from them if they move on. 7m really isn't a lot for Eddie given the insanity down south. I mean , heres a guy being offered 15k a week to play in the 4th tier for gods sake.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/5718094/notts-county-boss-kevin-nolan-offers-diego-capel-15k-a-week-to-become-highest-paid-league-two-player/
If we were playing down south then that would be a fair argument but we're not.

I think Edouard has potential but if he is actually going to cost us £7m then it's an easy No from me.
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No chance of paying £7mill

Get him in on another 12 month loan - not as if PSG need him
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Sign him on 4 year deal.

3 mill up front , million a season thereafter.
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With every passing week that 7 million number seems more and more justified. I'm still at 2-3 mill for him but who knows by seasons end. I want us to keep him for sure and that's not something I would have said a few short months ago.
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If we don't buy him now when we have the chance, then we never will & we might regret that.

I'd like to see us buy him.
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i agrree with Wilfred , we need to get our heads round the idea of paying more for players , then consequently make more from them if they move on. 7m really isn't a lot for Eddie given the insanity down south. I mean , heres a guy being offered 15k a week to play in the 4th tier for gods sake.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/5718094/notts-county-boss-kevin-nolan-offers-diego-capel-15k-a-week-to-become-highest-paid-league-two-player/
If we were playing down south then that would be a fair argument but we're not.

I think Edouard has potential but if he is actually going to cost us £7m then it's an easy No from me.
my point is , if we want to attract the type of player we think we should be able to then we need to get used to paying a lot more for them. Its becoming very easy to earn more than they can with us. If we just want to lord it in Scotland fair enough , but if we harbour any ambitions outside of our own league 7m for a player like Eddie is cheap.
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