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Odsonne Édouard - AKA the Remy ITK thread; Fishal. 4 Year Deal.
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He’s 19 and barely in the door.

Give him some time ffs
This is true KS & I am a great advocate of giving people game time at least 6/7 games to see what they can do BUT his sale fee is roughly £8 million end of year thus breaking our transfer fee...I just dont see it so far in anything the lad has shown.

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He has promise or PSG would never have signed him but at his age it's no more than that. If we sign him permanently it should be for no more than a couple of million and even that's taking a chance.
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Under normal circumstances we should be patient. He is indeed young but he comes with an £8M fee. He doesn't have time.

He should be firing on all cylinders and we should think by now he might be worth the risk. At the moment he is nowhere near an £8M player and it may take a few years for him to show he is an £8M player. We don't have that time to wait.
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A lot of his shots are like when you hit pass instead of shoot on Fifa, absolute nothing behind them.

He needs to add a bit more aggression to his game along with power to his shots.

He's still young and think he has the potential to be a cracking player but he isn't worth anywhere near what PSG want. For 8 million you'd want a player who has developed a much larger part of their game, Edouard needs developing in pretty much every area of his game (at 19 that is not so much a criticism on him, more PSG for having the balls to value him at 8 million just now).
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He was a lot better in the second half, seemingly more comfortable with his role. He might have benefitted from the fact that the entire team improved.

He has started 8 games for us. He should be starting games against the likes of Brechin, Partick, Hamilton and Motherwell, which incidentally account for 6 of the 8 games when he has started.

We've not dropped a point at Firhill since 1995. Do we allow a 19 year old Edouard to develop in games like this and Brechin to make his mistakes and learn from them, or should he play against Aberdeen and Sevco instead? It's a no brainer.

Sutton talks utter pish.

40 competitive Celtic games this season, Griffiths has started 18, Dembele 12 and Edouard 8. Presumably there have been two when we played none of them. What kind of starts split would people like to see?

I'd say the manager is managing his workload, and that of the other strikers, just fine. So much pish is spouted over nowt.
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The 352 system hasn't always worked for us. In the second half last night it did and I thought Edouard contributed by coming deep, linking up with Ntcham,allowing other players to get in behind.It helped to bring a balance to the system.
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The 352 system hasn't always worked for us. In the second half last night it did and I thought Edouard contributed by coming deep, linking up with Ntcham,allowing other players to get in behind.It helped to bring a balance to the system.
I think that could be his position, I'd drop McGregor and play Edouard behind Griffiths.
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Looked alright but not 7/8 million alright..
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I think folk have been going a bit overboard with this 7m agreed transfer fee. We can bid lower and PSG can also accept or refuse a lower figure. It supposedly gives us first option but even then that's only if the player agrees. I wouldn't get too bothered with all that right now, let's see how he does over the remainder of the season.
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24 Jan 2018, 11:31 AM
The 352 system hasn't always worked for us. In the second half last night it did and I thought Edouard contributed by coming deep, linking up with Ntcham,allowing other players to get in behind.It helped to bring a balance to the system.
Teams are setting up better and preventing our lone Striker and supporting wingers from dominating play, they are waiting for us to get frustrated and make mistakes defensively. A new look up top was long overdue as teams know what to expect now, they might not stop us but it is hindering the quality on display.

Roberts and Rogic being out a major factor too.
Edited by Pussyfoot, 24 Jan 2018, 12:05 PM.
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24 Jan 2018, 11:55 AM
I think folk have been going a bit overboard with this 7m agreed transfer fee. We can bid lower and PSG can also accept or refuse a lower figure. It supposedly gives us first option but even then that's only if the player agrees. I wouldn't get too bothered with all that right now, let's see how he does over the remainder of the season.
Of course we can bid lower, but if the starting price is 8 million we are hardly going to be able get them down to a price that more reflects what we'd normally spend on a project.
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24 Jan 2018, 11:28 AM
He was a lot better in the second half, seemingly more comfortable with his role. He might have benefitted from the fact that the entire team improved.

He has started 8 games for us. He should be starting games against the likes of Brechin, Partick, Hamilton and Motherwell, which incidentally account for 6 of the 8 games when he has started.

We've not dropped a point at Firhill since 1995. Do we allow a 19 year old Edouard to develop in games like this and Brechin to make his mistakes and learn from them, or should he play against Aberdeen and Sevco instead? It's a no brainer.

Sutton talks utter pish.

40 competitive Celtic games this season, Griffiths has started 18, Dembele 12 and Edouard 8. Presumably there have been two when we played none of them. What kind of starts split would people like to see?

I'd say the manager is managing his workload, and that of the other strikers, just fine. So much pish is spouted over nowt.
Starting in cup games against lower league opposition is fine, in my opinion he shouldn't be starting ahead of Griffiths or Dembele in league games, not whilst the league is still there to be won.

We might not have dropped a point at Firhill in over 20 years but I wouldn't have fancied our chances to have kept that record going if we had stuck with Edouard up front for the full 90 mins. Starting him like we did last night then having to bring on Griffiths to add much needed urgency and purpose to our attacking in the 2nd half is hardly going to build Edouard with confidence.

He is a 19 year old loan player, we have 2 excellent strikers on contracts, they should be starting league games. Edouard can learn his trade coming off the bench.
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24 Jan 2018, 11:55 AM
I think folk have been going a bit overboard with this 7m agreed transfer fee. We can bid lower and PSG can also accept or refuse a lower figure. It supposedly gives us first option but even then that's only if the player agrees. I wouldn't get too bothered with all that right now, let's see how he does over the remainder of the season.
Of course we can bid lower, but if the starting price is 8 million we are hardly going to be able get them down to a price that more reflects what we'd normally spend on a project.
I think PSG had to cover their investment. He maybe won't have been worth 8m in their eyes when he signed on Loan but if he rattled in a few CL goals like Moussa had done vs City last season they'd have felt aggrieved perhaps at a 3-4m release clause and us tripling that six months later. I'm speaking hypothetically but that would make sense to me, their player, they raised him and they are calling the shots. Maybe they saw the last time we spent that amount was some time ago and felt it was a 'safe' figure to put in the deal. Maybe they'll eventually sell him to a Belgian side for one or two million, a big few months for the player ahead.
Edited by Pussyfoot, 24 Jan 2018, 12:23 PM.
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24 Jan 2018, 11:28 AM
He was a lot better in the second half, seemingly more comfortable with his role. He might have benefitted from the fact that the entire team improved.

He has started 8 games for us. He should be starting games against the likes of Brechin, Partick, Hamilton and Motherwell, which incidentally account for 6 of the 8 games when he has started.

We've not dropped a point at Firhill since 1995. Do we allow a 19 year old Edouard to develop in games like this and Brechin to make his mistakes and learn from them, or should he play against Aberdeen and Sevco instead? It's a no brainer.

Sutton talks utter pish.

40 competitive Celtic games this season, Griffiths has started 18, Dembele 12 and Edouard 8. Presumably there have been two when we played none of them. What kind of starts split would people like to see?

I'd say the manager is managing his workload, and that of the other strikers, just fine. So much pish is spouted over nowt.
Starting in cup games against lower league opposition is fine, in my opinion he shouldn't be starting ahead of Griffiths or Dembele in league games, not whilst the league is still there to be won.

We might not have dropped a point at Firhill in over 20 years but I wouldn't have fancied our chances to have kept that record going if we had stuck with Edouard up front for the full 90 mins. Starting him like we did last night then having to bring on Griffiths to add much needed urgency and purpose to our attacking in the 2nd half is hardly going to build Edouard with confidence.

He is a 19 year old loan player, we have 2 excellent strikers on contracts, they should be starting league games. Edouard can learn his trade coming off the bench.
Griffiths was not available at the weekend due to an ankle issue. He was never going to play 90 last night.

The game lasts 90 minutes. The fact we were 1-0 down was due to a mistake by our second most experienced player.

We won the game having changed the system, and Edouard played 85 minutes, improving in the second half, where he seemed to suit his role better against a deep lying defence.

He'll be better for that rather than being hooked at half time as a bit of a scapegoat. It's simply better management of a younger player.
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24 Jan 2018, 12:05 PM
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24 Jan 2018, 11:55 AM
I think folk have been going a bit overboard with this 7m agreed transfer fee. We can bid lower and PSG can also accept or refuse a lower figure. It supposedly gives us first option but even then that's only if the player agrees. I wouldn't get too bothered with all that right now, let's see how he does over the remainder of the season.
Of course we can bid lower, but if the starting price is 8 million we are hardly going to be able get them down to a price that more reflects what we'd normally spend on a project.
On what we’ve seen no other club is going to offer anything like £8 million either. The boy’s currently worth about £2 million and that same again in long term add-ons if he scores, say, at least 30 goals over two seasons plus a sell-on percentage.

Given PSG’s current recruitment policies Edouard ain’t going to get into their first team any time. Selling him to us for a much smaller fee but including a buy-back clause might work for all concerned.
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Wasn't imressed enough last night to think he'd be worth a punt, although obviously he needs more time. In all seriousness faced with him or el Buffalo at 2m I know who I'd choose atm.
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24 Jan 2018, 11:28 AM
He was a lot better in the second half, seemingly more comfortable with his role. He might have benefitted from the fact that the entire team improved.

He has started 8 games for us. He should be starting games against the likes of Brechin, Partick, Hamilton and Motherwell, which incidentally account for 6 of the 8 games when he has started.

We've not dropped a point at Firhill since 1995. Do we allow a 19 year old Edouard to develop in games like this and Brechin to make his mistakes and learn from them, or should he play against Aberdeen and Sevco instead? It's a no brainer.

Sutton talks utter pish.

40 competitive Celtic games this season, Griffiths has started 18, Dembele 12 and Edouard 8. Presumably there have been two when we played none of them. What kind of starts split would people like to see?

I'd say the manager is managing his workload, and that of the other strikers, just fine. So much pish is spouted over nowt.
Starting in cup games against lower league opposition is fine, in my opinion he shouldn't be starting ahead of Griffiths or Dembele in league games, not whilst the league is still there to be won.

We might not have dropped a point at Firhill in over 20 years but I wouldn't have fancied our chances to have kept that record going if we had stuck with Edouard up front for the full 90 mins. Starting him like we did last night then having to bring on Griffiths to add much needed urgency and purpose to our attacking in the 2nd half is hardly going to build Edouard with confidence.

He is a 19 year old loan player, we have 2 excellent strikers on contracts, they should be starting league games. Edouard can learn his trade coming off the bench.
Griffiths was not available at the weekend due to an ankle issue. He was never going to play 90 last night.

The game lasts 90 minutes. The fact we were 1-0 down was due to a mistake by our second most experienced player.

We won the game having changed the system, and Edouard played 85 minutes, improving in the second half, where he seemed to suit his role better against a deep lying defence.

He'll be better for that rather than being hooked at half time as a bit of a scapegoat. It's simply better management of a younger player.
The weekend game was a cup game against lower league opposition, that I mentioned I have no issue with starting a player like Edouard in.

He was never going to play 90 mins... just the 85? :lol:

The fact we had to bring on Griffiths and change our system in the 2nd half proves my point, we were struggling with Edouard as our main striker and I doubt many people were confident we'd get the goals needed to win the match without bringing on one or both of Griffiths and Dembele.

We got to the winter break not playing the best of football, I don't think having a 19 year old loan striker lead our attack in the first league game back after that break was the right decision, something Rodgers obviously agreed with since he made the necessary change at half time.

Edit to add: I never said Edouard should be made the scapegoat for the first half, it is the manager who picks the line up and he got it wrong with starting Edouard leading the attack, something he rightly changed at half time.
Edited by Greenock_Celt, 24 Jan 2018, 12:47 PM.
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24 Jan 2018, 11:28 AM
He was a lot better in the second half, seemingly more comfortable with his role. He might have benefitted from the fact that the entire team improved.

He has started 8 games for us. He should be starting games against the likes of Brechin, Partick, Hamilton and Motherwell, which incidentally account for 6 of the 8 games when he has started.

We've not dropped a point at Firhill since 1995. Do we allow a 19 year old Edouard to develop in games like this and Brechin to make his mistakes and learn from them, or should he play against Aberdeen and Sevco instead? It's a no brainer.

Sutton talks utter pish.

40 competitive Celtic games this season, Griffiths has started 18, Dembele 12 and Edouard 8. Presumably there have been two when we played none of them. What kind of starts split would people like to see?

I'd say the manager is managing his workload, and that of the other strikers, just fine. So much pish is spouted over nowt.
Starting in cup games against lower league opposition is fine, in my opinion he shouldn't be starting ahead of Griffiths or Dembele in league games, not whilst the league is still there to be won.

We might not have dropped a point at Firhill in over 20 years but I wouldn't have fancied our chances to have kept that record going if we had stuck with Edouard up front for the full 90 mins. Starting him like we did last night then having to bring on Griffiths to add much needed urgency and purpose to our attacking in the 2nd half is hardly going to build Edouard with confidence.

He is a 19 year old loan player, we have 2 excellent strikers on contracts, they should be starting league games. Edouard can learn his trade coming off the bench.
Griffiths was not available at the weekend due to an ankle issue. He was never going to play 90 last night.

The game lasts 90 minutes. The fact we were 1-0 down was due to a mistake by our second most experienced player.

We won the game having changed the system, and Edouard played 85 minutes, improving in the second half, where he seemed to suit his role better against a deep lying defence.

He'll be better for that rather than being hooked at half time as a bit of a scapegoat. It's simply better management of a younger player.
Agreed.

Good post.
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24 Jan 2018, 12:36 PM
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24 Jan 2018, 12:05 PM
Pussyfoot
24 Jan 2018, 11:55 AM
I think folk have been going a bit overboard with this 7m agreed transfer fee. We can bid lower and PSG can also accept or refuse a lower figure. It supposedly gives us first option but even then that's only if the player agrees. I wouldn't get too bothered with all that right now, let's see how he does over the remainder of the season.
Of course we can bid lower, but if the starting price is 8 million we are hardly going to be able get them down to a price that more reflects what we'd normally spend on a project.
On what we’ve seen no other club is going to offer anything like £8 million either. The boy’s currently worth about £2 million and that same again in long term add-ons if he scores, say, at least 30 goals over two seasons plus a sell-on percentage.

Given PSG’s current recruitment policies Edouard ain’t going to get into their first team any time. Selling him to us for a much smaller fee but including a buy-back clause might work for all concerned.
Absolutely :thumbsup:
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The 352 system hasn't always worked for us. In the second half last night it did and I thought Edouard contributed by coming deep, linking up with Ntcham,allowing other players to get in behind.It helped to bring a balance to the system.
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