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Ref Watch 2017/18; A fraternity of dunces
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14 May 2018, 06:32 PM
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One of the rangers wordsmiths believes the referees have it in for them. Oh, and by the way, "Bear in mind, we neither asked for nor started this fight but, trust me, we will finish it. Let’s go". Planned Incompetence?Spoiler: click to toggle Written by The Director As the 2017/18 SPFL season reached its finale this weekend, special praise is due to Andrew Dallas. I didn’t believe it possible that any referee could exceed his colleagues’ efforts and make even more ridiculous anti-Rangers refereeing decisions than those which have defiled several games this season. Dallas, however, proved me utterly wrong with his performance in the 5-5 draw at Easter Road. Dallas Junior’s contribution to this season’s final Rangers game was like a microcosm of SPFL referees’ performances in Rangers games throughout the season. His eagerness to book Jason Holt and his refusal to give a clear Rangers penalty were bad enough but to issue a clearly out of control Scott Allan with only a yellow card for a two footed assault on Jordan Rossiter was something else. This was a very genuine attempt by a failed footballer to maim an infinitely more talented fellow professional. Dallas had an unimpaired view from only a few feet away. Even Hibs fans in the crowd behind were filmed on TV coverage wincing at the ferocity of the foul. It was a clear a red card as you will ever see. But Dallas Junior saw it very differently. We can only speculate as to what could have motivated Junior to make such staggeringly inept decisions. Perhaps the coin thrown by an enraged Celtic fan in the title decider at Parkhead in May 1999 made an even more lasting and indelible impression on Junior than it did on his father Hugh’s forehead? Could it be the professional guidance passed from Dallas senior to his son extended no further than this maxim: never give any decision which might incur the wrath of fans with an irrational hatred of Rangers? If so, Dallas Junior has proved to be an exemplary pupil. But what excuses can there be for his colleagues? John Beaton set the benchmark in the second game of the season against Hibs at Ibrox. Beaton heroically refused to dismiss Anthony Stokes despite a physical assault on Tavernier, showed a yellow card to Morelos after he was grabbed round the neck by McGregor and finally showed Jack a red card for being on the receiving end of a headbutt from the already booked Stokes, who of course escaped further action. Numerous further incidents of unpunished attacks on Rangers players occurred in games against Ross County, Partick Thistle and Motherwell, including a disgraceful elbow on Cardoso which quite literally disfigured him. The question has to be asked: what exactly are we witnessing with this clear and undeniable pattern of anti-Rangers refereeing decisions? None of the old cliches apply here: “luck evens itself out”, “these are just honest mistakes”, “refs aren’t corrupt, they’re just incompetent”, etc. The sheer volume of incidents is too great and the regularity is too constant for these to be accidental. So what is behind it? I have a theory. For a time in the mid 80s, I was acquainted with a Scotland international who played for two English Premiership clubs. He once told a story about two Premiership players, Steve Moran and Steve Williams, who were detested by pretty much every other player in the division. Seemingly, the word had been passed around that these two players were to be targeted whenever possible for special treatment; the understanding being that referees and linesmen wold turn a blind eye and allow a few hits before any action would be taken. The guy I knew spoke very openly about this and made it clear that he felt their fate was fully deserved. I’ve been thinking more and more of this story as this season has progressed. Is that what we’re seeing now? Systematic targeting of Rangers players by opposition players in conjunction with referees? How else can the treatment of Ryan Jack be explained? Four red cards, two of which were rescinded, plus one which stood for making a tackle, then singled out in his return match and unable to play for the rest of the season. Not that Jack is alone in being targeted; far from it, as the refereeing list of shame shows very clearly. There is a saying which is often trotted out regularly among the Rangers support: “That’s Timmy behaviour.” This is used when Rangers fans complain about unfair treatment or seemingly biased refereeing decisions; the thinking being that acting like a Celtic fan and complaining about conspiracies is behaviour unsuited to Rangers fans. While I understand the point being made, I would suggest the time has come for Rangers fans to take stock, look at the lengthy rap sheet of anti-Rangers refereeing decisions and ask themselves: how do we stop this? This weekend’s Hibs game has shown very clearly that our enemies are determined to inflict the maximum possible damage on Rangers players. There are several ways we can combat this but the first step has to be the realisation that this phenomenon is very real and very dangerous. In a little over two weeks, Steven Gerrard starts what we all hope will be a historic chapter in Rangers’ proud history. As fans, we must do everything we can to support him. If that means using all the avenues at our disposal to highlight incidents of bias and cheating, so be it. Bear in mind, we neither asked for nor started this fight but, trust me, we will finish it. Let’s go. https://daviesleftpeg.wordpress.com/2018/05/14/planned-incompetence/
The new club motto - Let’s Go  Let’s go Secvo, Let’s Go They're forming in a straight line.........
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14 May 2018, 07:43 PM
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Not seen it, but, want to now..... Any links? Here FFS! First time I've seen that.
Only in Scotland.
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15 May 2018, 06:23 PM
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Neil Lennon been charged after his sending off.
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15 May 2018, 06:42 PM
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Neil Lennon been charged after his sending off. They charged Logan for his Rocky impression?
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Neil Lennon been charged after his sending off.
They charged Logan for his Rocky impression? Yep
Tuesday 15 May 2018 Notice of Player Reference | Shaleum Logan, Player, Aberdeen FC
Player: Shaleum Logan, Player, Aberdeen FC
Match: Celtic FC v Aberdeen FC on Sunday 13 May 2018
Competition: SPFL Premiership
Offence: A2 – Violent Conduct
Fast Track Tribunal Hearing: Thursday 17 May 2018
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15 May 2018, 07:09 PM
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Neil Lennon been charged after his sending off.
They charged Logan for his Rocky impression?
Yep Tuesday 15 May 2018 Notice of Player Reference | Shaleum Logan, Player, Aberdeen FC Player: Shaleum Logan, Player, Aberdeen FC Match: Celtic FC v Aberdeen FC on Sunday 13 May 2018 Competition: SPFL Premiership Offence: A2 – Violent Conduct Fast Track Tribunal Hearing: Thursday 17 May 2018 Good stuff.
So I'm guessing he's got an automatic two match ban for his red. What's he looking at for this? Must be a right few games.
Don't do the crime if you can't do the time, eh, Shay?
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15 May 2018, 09:08 PM
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And that's the way we like it...
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Yep Tuesday 15 May 2018 Notice of Player Reference | Shaleum Logan, Player, Aberdeen FC Player: Shaleum Logan, Player, Aberdeen FC Match: Celtic FC v Aberdeen FC on Sunday 13 May 2018 Competition: SPFL Premiership Offence: A2 – Violent Conduct Fast Track Tribunal Hearing: Thursday 17 May 2018
Good stuff. So I'm guessing he's got an automatic two match ban for his red. What's he looking at for this? Must be a right few games. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time, eh, Shay? Raman Bawbag said Aberdeen will appeal the sending off.
Celtic should be calling for Shinnie to be disciplined.
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15 May 2018, 09:17 PM
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We time waste as well when we're holding on for a result or even just trying to frustrate a superior team in European competition (although given some of the hammerings we've had in the CL over the last two years we need to get a helluva lot better at it). Domestically we're the big team with all the resources and advantages that everybody wants to claim a result against by any means necessary. That means we'll regularly be facing packed out defences, time wasting, sticky pitches, overly physical tackles and any other negative tactic that might disrupt our natural game in the hope of grabbing a draw or a win against us rather than stand back and admire our football and take a hammering. Yes, refs on some occasions need to be better at dealing with time wasting.....but if the opposition are getting away with it then I can't blame them for doing so when it's to their advantage.
Be fair now. This is the ref thread and the complaint is a relevant one if the keeper is getting away with holding the ball for nearly 3x the allotted time. Not going to get in to the specifics of this one as I didn't particularly notice it during the game and don't think it was covered on the highlights....but the rule isn't interpreted as a strict 6 seconds from taking possession of the ball, it's 6 seconds from when the keeper has the ball in his hands and is free to safely release it. So in other words the six second count doesn't start until all opposition players are well out of the way and the keeper has plenty of space to throw or kick the ball.
In addition to this I think the rule has become more of a guideline these days and refs are advised/encouraged to initially just warn the keeper to get a move on in the first instance and only award the indirect free kick for repeated acts of timewasting by holding on to the ball for an excessive amount of time.
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15 May 2018, 09:28 PM
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Good stuff. So I'm guessing he's got an automatic two match ban for his red. What's he looking at for this? Must be a right few games. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time, eh, Shay?
Raman Bawbag said Aberdeen will appeal the sending off. Celtic should be calling for Shinnie to be disciplined. They are appealing the additional charge not the sending off.
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15 May 2018, 09:42 PM
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Raman Bawbag said Aberdeen will appeal the sending off. Celtic should be calling for Shinnie to be disciplined.
They are appealing the additional charge not the sending off. Aha! Cheers
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Be fair now. This is the ref thread and the complaint is a relevant one if the keeper is getting away with holding the ball for nearly 3x the allotted time.
Not going to get in to the specifics of this one as I didn't particularly notice it during the game and don't think it was covered on the highlights....but the rule isn't interpreted as a strict 6 seconds from taking possession of the ball, it's 6 seconds from when the keeper has the ball in his hands and is free to safely release it. So in other words the six second count doesn't start until all opposition players are well out of the way and the keeper has plenty of space to throw or kick the ball. In addition to this I think the rule has become more of a guideline these days and refs are advised/encouraged to initially just warn the keeper to get a move on in the first instance and only award the indirect free kick for repeated acts of timewasting by holding on to the ball for an excessive amount of time. I thought that the six second rule has been amended years ago. I was clearly wrong.
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15 May 2018, 10:34 PM
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Be fair now. This is the ref thread and the complaint is a relevant one if the keeper is getting away with holding the ball for nearly 3x the allotted time.
Not going to get in to the specifics of this one as I didn't particularly notice it during the game and don't think it was covered on the highlights....but the rule isn't interpreted as a strict 6 seconds from taking possession of the ball, it's 6 seconds from when the keeper has the ball in his hands and is free to safely release it. So in other words the six second count doesn't start until all opposition players are well out of the way and the keeper has plenty of space to throw or kick the ball. In addition to this I think the rule has become more of a guideline these days and refs are advised/encouraged to initially just warn the keeper to get a move on in the first instance and only award the indirect free kick for repeated acts of timewasting by holding on to the ball for an excessive amount of time. The current laws of the game are clear that the goal keeper has 6seconds to release the ball from when he is considered to have it under control.
The referee may chose to exercise discretion if he is being unlawfully impeded releasing the ball.
It’s a black and white law, not a guideline.
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17 May 2018, 04:00 PM
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One of the rangers wordsmiths believes the referees have it in for them. Oh, and by the way, "Bear in mind, we neither asked for nor started this fight but, trust me, we will finish it. Let’s go". Planned Incompetence?Spoiler: click to toggle Written by The Director As the 2017/18 SPFL season reached its finale this weekend, special praise is due to Andrew Dallas. I didn’t believe it possible that any referee could exceed his colleagues’ efforts and make even more ridiculous anti-Rangers refereeing decisions than those which have defiled several games this season. Dallas, however, proved me utterly wrong with his performance in the 5-5 draw at Easter Road. Dallas Junior’s contribution to this season’s final Rangers game was like a microcosm of SPFL referees’ performances in Rangers games throughout the season. His eagerness to book Jason Holt and his refusal to give a clear Rangers penalty were bad enough but to issue a clearly out of control Scott Allan with only a yellow card for a two footed assault on Jordan Rossiter was something else. This was a very genuine attempt by a failed footballer to maim an infinitely more talented fellow professional. Dallas had an unimpaired view from only a few feet away. Even Hibs fans in the crowd behind were filmed on TV coverage wincing at the ferocity of the foul. It was a clear a red card as you will ever see. But Dallas Junior saw it very differently. We can only speculate as to what could have motivated Junior to make such staggeringly inept decisions. Perhaps the coin thrown by an enraged Celtic fan in the title decider at Parkhead in May 1999 made an even more lasting and indelible impression on Junior than it did on his father Hugh’s forehead? Could it be the professional guidance passed from Dallas senior to his son extended no further than this maxim: never give any decision which might incur the wrath of fans with an irrational hatred of Rangers? If so, Dallas Junior has proved to be an exemplary pupil. But what excuses can there be for his colleagues? John Beaton set the benchmark in the second game of the season against Hibs at Ibrox. Beaton heroically refused to dismiss Anthony Stokes despite a physical assault on Tavernier, showed a yellow card to Morelos after he was grabbed round the neck by McGregor and finally showed Jack a red card for being on the receiving end of a headbutt from the already booked Stokes, who of course escaped further action. Numerous further incidents of unpunished attacks on Rangers players occurred in games against Ross County, Partick Thistle and Motherwell, including a disgraceful elbow on Cardoso which quite literally disfigured him. The question has to be asked: what exactly are we witnessing with this clear and undeniable pattern of anti-Rangers refereeing decisions? None of the old cliches apply here: “luck evens itself out”, “these are just honest mistakes”, “refs aren’t corrupt, they’re just incompetent”, etc. The sheer volume of incidents is too great and the regularity is too constant for these to be accidental. So what is behind it? I have a theory. For a time in the mid 80s, I was acquainted with a Scotland international who played for two English Premiership clubs. He once told a story about two Premiership players, Steve Moran and Steve Williams, who were detested by pretty much every other player in the division. Seemingly, the word had been passed around that these two players were to be targeted whenever possible for special treatment; the understanding being that referees and linesmen wold turn a blind eye and allow a few hits before any action would be taken. The guy I knew spoke very openly about this and made it clear that he felt their fate was fully deserved. I’ve been thinking more and more of this story as this season has progressed. Is that what we’re seeing now? Systematic targeting of Rangers players by opposition players in conjunction with referees? How else can the treatment of Ryan Jack be explained? Four red cards, two of which were rescinded, plus one which stood for making a tackle, then singled out in his return match and unable to play for the rest of the season. Not that Jack is alone in being targeted; far from it, as the refereeing list of shame shows very clearly. There is a saying which is often trotted out regularly among the Rangers support: “That’s Timmy behaviour.” This is used when Rangers fans complain about unfair treatment or seemingly biased refereeing decisions; the thinking being that acting like a Celtic fan and complaining about conspiracies is behaviour unsuited to Rangers fans. While I understand the point being made, I would suggest the time has come for Rangers fans to take stock, look at the lengthy rap sheet of anti-Rangers refereeing decisions and ask themselves: how do we stop this? This weekend’s Hibs game has shown very clearly that our enemies are determined to inflict the maximum possible damage on Rangers players. There are several ways we can combat this but the first step has to be the realisation that this phenomenon is very real and very dangerous. In a little over two weeks, Steven Gerrard starts what we all hope will be a historic chapter in Rangers’ proud history. As fans, we must do everything we can to support him. If that means using all the avenues at our disposal to highlight incidents of bias and cheating, so be it. Bear in mind, we neither asked for nor started this fight but, trust me, we will finish it. Let’s go. https://daviesleftpeg.wordpress.com/2018/05/14/planned-incompetence/
The new club motto - Let’s Go  Let’s go Secvo, Let’s Go
They're forming in a straight line......... No!!! Do not associate the Ramones with that lot however tenuously. They can have that banal tennis/American sports chant if they want but not one of the greatest 2 minutes of punk.
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"...we neither asked for nor started this fight but, trust me, we will finish it. Let’s go."
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18 May 2018, 09:46 PM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deep Planned Incompetence?Spoiler: click to toggle Written by The Director As the 2017/18 SPFL season reached its finale this weekend, special praise is due to Andrew Dallas. I didn’t believe it possible that any referee could exceed his colleagues’ efforts and make even more ridiculous anti-Rangers refereeing decisions than those which have defiled several games this season. Dallas, however, proved me utterly wrong with his performance in the 5-5 draw at Easter Road. Dallas Junior’s contribution to this season’s final Rangers game was like a microcosm of SPFL referees’ performances in Rangers games throughout the season. His eagerness to book Jason Holt and his refusal to give a clear Rangers penalty were bad enough but to issue a clearly out of control Scott Allan with only a yellow card for a two footed assault on Jordan Rossiter was something else. This was a very genuine attempt by a failed footballer to maim an infinitely more talented fellow professional. Dallas had an unimpaired view from only a few feet away. Even Hibs fans in the crowd behind were filmed on TV coverage wincing at the ferocity of the foul. It was a clear a red card as you will ever see. But Dallas Junior saw it very differently. We can only speculate as to what could have motivated Junior to make such staggeringly inept decisions. Perhaps the coin thrown by an enraged Celtic fan in the title decider at Parkhead in May 1999 made an even more lasting and indelible impression on Junior than it did on his father Hugh’s forehead? Could it be the professional guidance passed from Dallas senior to his son extended no further than this maxim: never give any decision which might incur the wrath of fans with an irrational hatred of Rangers? If so, Dallas Junior has proved to be an exemplary pupil. But what excuses can there be for his colleagues? John Beaton set the benchmark in the second game of the season against Hibs at Ibrox. Beaton heroically refused to dismiss Anthony Stokes despite a physical assault on Tavernier, showed a yellow card to Morelos after he was grabbed round the neck by McGregor and finally showed Jack a red card for being on the receiving end of a headbutt from the already booked Stokes, who of course escaped further action. Numerous further incidents of unpunished attacks on Rangers players occurred in games against Ross County, Partick Thistle and Motherwell, including a disgraceful elbow on Cardoso which quite literally disfigured him. The question has to be asked: what exactly are we witnessing with this clear and undeniable pattern of anti-Rangers refereeing decisions? None of the old cliches apply here: “luck evens itself out”, “these are just honest mistakes”, “refs aren’t corrupt, they’re just incompetent”, etc. The sheer volume of incidents is too great and the regularity is too constant for these to be accidental. So what is behind it? I have a theory. For a time in the mid 80s, I was acquainted with a Scotland international who played for two English Premiership clubs. He once told a story about two Premiership players, Steve Moran and Steve Williams, who were detested by pretty much every other player in the division. Seemingly, the word had been passed around that these two players were to be targeted whenever possible for special treatment; the understanding being that referees and linesmen wold turn a blind eye and allow a few hits before any action would be taken. The guy I knew spoke very openly about this and made it clear that he felt their fate was fully deserved. I’ve been thinking more and more of this story as this season has progressed. Is that what we’re seeing now? Systematic targeting of Rangers players by opposition players in conjunction with referees? How else can the treatment of Ryan Jack be explained? Four red cards, two of which were rescinded, plus one which stood for making a tackle, then singled out in his return match and unable to play for the rest of the season. Not that Jack is alone in being targeted; far from it, as the refereeing list of shame shows very clearly. There is a saying which is often trotted out regularly among the Rangers support: “That’s Timmy behaviour.” This is used when Rangers fans complain about unfair treatment or seemingly biased refereeing decisions; the thinking being that acting like a Celtic fan and complaining about conspiracies is behaviour unsuited to Rangers fans. While I understand the point being made, I would suggest the time has come for Rangers fans to take stock, look at the lengthy rap sheet of anti-Rangers refereeing decisions and ask themselves: how do we stop this? This weekend’s Hibs game has shown very clearly that our enemies are determined to inflict the maximum possible damage on Rangers players. There are several ways we can combat this but the first step has to be the realisation that this phenomenon is very real and very dangerous. In a little over two weeks, Steven Gerrard starts what we all hope will be a historic chapter in Rangers’ proud history. As fans, we must do everything we can to support him. If that means using all the avenues at our disposal to highlight incidents of bias and cheating, so be it. Bear in mind, we neither asked for nor started this fight but, trust me, we will finish it. Let’s go. https://daviesleftpeg.wordpress.com/2018/05/14/planned-incompetence/
They're forming in a straight line.........
No!!! Do not associate the Ramones with that lot however tenuously. They can have that banal tennis/American sports chant if they want but not one of the greatest 2 minutes of punk. First rule is: the laws of Germany.
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Bobby Madden on the verge of bankruptcy after failing to pay his tax....
where are you seeing this? In all the papers, and here -
http://www.briefreport.co.uk/news/top-referee-bobby-madden-given-extra-time-by-court-to-avoid-bankruptcy-in-taxman-case-5789752.html
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19 Jun 2018, 03:57 PM
Post #1920
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He the ref linked to dodgy gambling too?
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