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| Ref Watch 2017/18; A fraternity of dunces | |
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| Topic Started: 5 Aug 2017, 03:56 PM (201,337 Views) | |
| BombJack | 16 Apr 2018, 10:37 AM Post #1781 |
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He twists, he turns, Tommy Burns...
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Agreed. 100%. I just looked at it again, and there is actually maybe the slightest of knocks at the back of Dembele too so maybe he didn't just dive. It's academic anyway - the initial foul is the holding offence that carries on into the box... |
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| TheMaestro | 16 Apr 2018, 11:45 AM Post #1782 |
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Collum showed the level of refereeing we will get if the game is close/they have a chance of winning. |
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| IainG | 16 Apr 2018, 02:06 PM Post #1783 |
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Ah but I was so much older then,I'm younger than that now
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Probably the best reffing performance in any of our games this season. (The bar isn't set high mind you.) |
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| weebaldy | 16 Apr 2018, 02:19 PM Post #1784 |
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We Won the Big One-They Never Will!
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Never thought I'd say it but he had a good game. Still feels weird saying though
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| elparaiso | 19 Apr 2018, 12:08 PM Post #1785 |
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I see Alonso got a three match ban for his stamp on Long. But in Scotland a blatant stamp off the ball is not worthy of action. Shameful. |
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| fatboab | 2 May 2018, 11:26 AM Post #1786 |
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Just before the Dawn
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Started a discussion in the midweek match thread about Craig Thompson's weird though correct decision to award Sevco a corner when he got in the way of a Celtic defenders clearance on Sunday. The referee was at least twenty yards from goal, and the ball was travelling clearly upfield. Surely the rules should allow for a dropped ball at worst, or a bye kick in those circumstances. Having said that, most Refs would immediately blow for a " foul" when the corner was taken , but he didn't do that. I understand he was applying the rules , but ffs, it was their best chance and he'd have got an assist if they had scored. The other thing that came up was the unerring ability of Refs in this game recently to get right in our road when we are attacking, especially when we are playing our intricate short passing game in the area around the opponents box. It's like playing against an extra defender, and obviously none of it is intentional on the ref's part. Do they always get that close to the action in other games? |
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| Aycliffe Bhoy | 2 May 2018, 11:37 AM Post #1787 |
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Everyone's Fantasy Football first pick
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My daughter has pointed out the refs getting in the way of our attacks to me many,many times. She will be glad she was not imaging it
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| Country Mac | 2 May 2018, 11:43 AM Post #1788 |
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Not sure what exactly the rules are when it hits off the ref, but my understanding was the drop-ball is specifically for weird outlying situations like that. Don't think anyone on either side would have protested but to give a corner was weird. And you're not wrong about him getting in the way. Nor is it the first time it's happened this season. I get why they need to be close to the action but he was consistently hovering on the edge of the box, never more than 10 yards away from Rogic or Ntcham or whoever it was. When you're playing at such a high tempo his presence alone can almost create the brief illusion that this particular area of the pitch is more crowded than it is. The knock on effect of this is that Forrest or whoever can have their judgement impaired when weighing up a potential pass inside that 'edge of the D' location of the pitch. This might manifest itself in a split second's hesitation, or just abandoning the pass altogether. Likewise, having the big lump there when we're playing at our pace can also briefly deter players from peeling off and holding their run a bit. It's almost like we're being sandwiched in to one area. I would like to think it's not intentional and just crap refereeing. |
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| Ned Rise | 2 May 2018, 12:00 PM Post #1789 |
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These boots were made for hunbustin'
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Dunno. I think even if it hits the ref* and goes in it's a goal. As Fatboab says, the ref could have used a bit of common sense and blew for a 'foul' for us at the corner to avoid any potential controversy, one of those where it's hard to see what it was for. *Or anything else, such as a Liverpool fan's beach ball for example. |
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| Quemelachupen | 2 May 2018, 12:19 PM Post #1790 |
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It was obvious and correct. Was always told the the ref is the same as the goal posts, crossbar and corner flags. If it hits them, just play on. |
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| martino | 2 May 2018, 12:30 PM Post #1791 |
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Le Conseguenze Dell'Amore
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The corner was the correct decision but as FB says the common sense thing to have done would be to have spotted "a foul" as soon as the corner was crossed in. Happens all the time when refs realise they have given a corner in error or a free-kick in error that leads to a corner. My favourite from Sunday was him awarding advantage as soon as Rogic's goal looked like it was on its way in to cover up that he missed a clear penalty for us. Fairly sure he has previous for that as well. Also I haven't checked back but did he book Cummings for dissent rather than the foul on Tierney? Seemed to only book him after Cummings started mouthing off at him. |
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| brianlara67 | 2 May 2018, 12:32 PM Post #1792 |
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Getting on a bit
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If the ball hits the ref play must carry on even if the ball goes into the net for a goal off the ref. No bounce balls or indirect free kicks. Mind you a lot of the times it happens when it hits the ref and changes possession they are usually very quick to blow for some foul or other in a few seconds later - some of which could be called "soft".... But the laws state play must carry on.
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| 15not25 | 2 May 2018, 12:36 PM Post #1793 |
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Aye, loved the advantage at Toms goal. Early in the first half, Russell Martin is caught really far up the park, out of position. Rogic turns him and is away, and Martin takes a really cynical swipe at Rogic, worse than Dorrans on CalMac in the semi. Nothing given at all. Shameless. Edited by 15not25, 2 May 2018, 12:36 PM.
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| Quiet Assasin | 2 May 2018, 12:37 PM Post #1794 |
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..for the maintenance of dinner tables for the children and the unemployed
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Collum only signalled advantage at Dembele's goal at Ibrox when he was at the keeper as well. I'm sure they're just seeing how play pans out... Edited by Quiet Assasin, 2 May 2018, 12:37 PM.
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| Kingslim | 2 May 2018, 12:40 PM Post #1795 |
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69 and counting
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Thomson’s positioning is terrible. I’ve lost count of the number of times he’s standing in the line where our player is looking to make a pass or blocking the route to goal when the ball is at the edge of the area. It’s infuriating |
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| Timmy7 | 2 May 2018, 12:40 PM Post #1796 |
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Getting on a bit
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Caught that on the highlights I saw last night. Not commented on at all and I was wondering if he'd got booked for it. Did we not get a goal from a ref assist earlier this season? I'm thinking a one, two with Scott Brown in the lead up |
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| elparaiso | 2 May 2018, 12:46 PM Post #1797 |
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From the TV pictures it looked like he signalled that he had played advantage after the Rogic goal in response to a query from one of our players (presumably KT) as to why no penalty was given. As for the Cummings booking, at the game it looked like he consulted his assistant after things calmed down and they told him it merited a booking. |
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| ronny_is_not_da_man | 2 May 2018, 12:48 PM Post #1798 |
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Off treasure hunting in Holland
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He was at it. The advantage signal should have come straight away to indicate he seen it and was going to award a penalty. He wasn't giving it. |
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| stevie21 | 2 May 2018, 01:20 PM Post #1799 |
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Poster of the Tuesday afternoon!
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No chance - watch it again http://kerrydalestreet.co.uk/single/?p=30857250&t=11072414 He sees the ball hit the net, KT is practically face down as that happens and the ref starts walking backwards up the park and signals an advantage. It's the goal that triggers that action from the ref, not any player. Here's the ball about to hit the net > Spoiler: click to toggle
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| noelab | 2 May 2018, 01:23 PM Post #1800 |
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Technically he should show advantage once it’s established that he isn’t going back to the original infringement, i.e. advantage is being played. Benefit of the doubt I’d say this time. |
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Do they always get that close to the action in other games?



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