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| Ref Watch 2017/18; A fraternity of dunces | |
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| Topic Started: 5 Aug 2017, 03:56 PM (201,338 Views) | |
| Gallowgate | 16 Apr 2018, 07:42 AM Post #1761 |
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“We’ll also need to do enough to take Madden clean out of the equation.” Part of my post in the pre match thread and that’s what we did as the hun chased shadows from start to finish. If the game had been close it would have been an entirely different story. |
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| beaumontbhoy | 16 Apr 2018, 07:43 AM Post #1762 |
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Getting on a bit
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Think he was very good today. When your only complaint is giving rangers a few soft fouls then you know he done ok. He is in general a vastly superior ref to collum, Thomson or McLean
Edited by beaumontbhoy, 16 Apr 2018, 07:47 AM.
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| paranoid_and_proud | 16 Apr 2018, 08:45 AM Post #1763 |
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Getting on a bit
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Madden had a very good game yesterday. |
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| Grafenwalder | 16 Apr 2018, 08:49 AM Post #1764 |
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Very good performance from Madden. Took the time to get the first penalty decision absolutely right. That wee child that Moussa had ragdolled for 50 minutes had to go too. Euthenasia really. I agree that this puts paid to the theory that previous terrible decisions have been down to simple incompetence. I'm thinking of the Griffiths non-penalty in the last minute and, even worse, his playing on and running past a player he had just seen take a serious head-knock because Aberdeen had a good chance to score against Celtic. For me, that decision was down to the referee's personal allegiance. The Griffiths one, he could argue that he didn't see it clearly enough to award a penalty. |
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| BombJack | 16 Apr 2018, 09:09 AM Post #1765 |
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He twists, he turns, Tommy Burns...
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FWIW on first replay I thought Madden had been conned by Moussa for the pen. Moussa was clearly having his shirt pulled though - by McCrorie - using both hands as well. I haven't see the replay loads of times, but I think Moussa was going down of his own accord before there was any contact to induce a trip. So shades of a dive, for me anyway. Still a penalty though - the fouling outside the box, then in, all happened before any falling to the ground from Moussa. That said, it took for Moussa to go down before he awarded anything - he was pulling his shirt for a good wee while before getting in the box. So I'm not sure how Madden should have played it. Is it protocol to blow for the freekick outside the box immediately after the initial shirt tugging foul? Or is the ref meant to allow play to continue to see how the foul develops? Ie playing on to see if there's an advantage to the attacker (eg a goal scoring opportunity, or a penalty if the fouling continues into the box)? Any ideas? |
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| BombJack | 16 Apr 2018, 09:16 AM Post #1766 |
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He twists, he turns, Tommy Burns...
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See, the Griffiths last minute one I think is a red herring. The defender can't even see the ball when he makes the challenge - Hill made a reckless attempt at making contact with the ball, but quite obviously wiped out the attacker. It's only in the slow mo replay that you can see that he maybe actually does make the slightest of contacts with the ball - after he's wiped out Griff. How the ref can see that contact in real time is beyond me - but he COULD see that Hill made a reckless attempt which wiped out Griff when he did have a clear goal scoring opportunity. |
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| Ned Rise | 16 Apr 2018, 09:23 AM Post #1767 |
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These boots were made for hunbustin'
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I think you're looking into it to much. It was a clear penalty all day long. McCrorie knew it and even zombie TV said it. There was no hint of a dive. Madden had a decent game yesterday. There was talk about the entire team of officials being wrong uns but it was reffed fair and square. Only thing I thought he blew too quickly for the second penalty instead of waiting to see if Sinclair would score from the advantage. It didn't matter either way in the end though. Edited by Ned Rise, 16 Apr 2018, 09:24 AM.
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| Dubz | 16 Apr 2018, 09:24 AM Post #1768 |
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Getting on a bit
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He’ll only cheat when it’s worthwhile. The evidence is there for us all to see. |
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| Quiet Assasin | 16 Apr 2018, 09:26 AM Post #1769 |
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..for the maintenance of dinner tables for the children and the unemployed
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Didn't g t his card out quick enough for some Hun nonsense. Had to make decisions he had to. Still a pumpkin. |
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| BombJack | 16 Apr 2018, 09:36 AM Post #1770 |
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He twists, he turns, Tommy Burns...
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I never said it wasn't a penalty - I thought it was, based on my understanding of the laws. But I also think Dembele possibly went down without anything to induce the fall - other than him making the decision to go down. Doesn't mean it wasn't a penalty... I have no qualms about a player going down who is being fouled - because until the refs get better and make the calls faster, sometimes going down is the thing that highlights the foul taking place - and this is maybe one of those cases. I have a problem with players going down due to simulation... |
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| Grafenwalder | 16 Apr 2018, 09:46 AM Post #1771 |
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If you watch the replays, you will see that it's a pretty straightforward decision. Sure, he originally fouled him outside the box but the boy tried to pass it back to the keeper and miskicked it. Moussa was then goal-side and inside the box. He still has a hold of his shirt/shorts when Moussa goes down, well inside the box. Aye, if he wanted to, he could have gone down at the original foul and it would have been a freekick and red. Instead, he tried to muscle past him to score. Once inside the box, the odds changed so he went down. Excellent striker play really. |
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| mick82 | 16 Apr 2018, 10:03 AM Post #1772 |
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Retired and now a BT Sports pundit
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Agree with that in general. Lustig's was a booking but it was ridiculous that thatvwas the first of the match. Dorrans was let away with a few and Morelos was basically asking to be sent off after he eventually got booked. Thatvsaid, credit where it's due, he got the big calls right |
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| LoveCeltic | 16 Apr 2018, 10:04 AM Post #1773 |
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First name on the team-sheet
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Madden was ok. His decision to book Lustig straight after quite a few worse fouls by the Huns that went unpunished was his standard. How Dorrans got away with as many kicks as he did isn't surprising with Madden in charge either. He gave two penalties that he really couldn't have ignored and only once 2-0 down. Hardly "excellent". Just fair, and it's questionable he would've been as fair if it had been 0-0. |
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| LoveCeltic | 16 Apr 2018, 10:07 AM Post #1774 |
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First name on the team-sheet
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this and your post above it |
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| Otis B Driftwood | 16 Apr 2018, 10:07 AM Post #1775 |
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Satisfaction came in a chain reaction
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He wants a Cup Final gig in seasons to come; he's not going to jeopardise his chances by fecking up big decsions in a semi-final. |
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| stevie21 | 16 Apr 2018, 10:13 AM Post #1776 |
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Poster of the Tuesday afternoon!
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I'm sure I looked it up recently and initially thought the fourth official had more of an input than he actually does. It's the ref's decision, I'm sure |
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| BombJack | 16 Apr 2018, 10:15 AM Post #1777 |
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It is a straightforward decision assuming you know that if a holding offence is initiated outside the box, but continues inside the box, it's a penalty. That's the be-all and end-all of it. I haven't looked at the current laws on this - but I assume it's still the case - it's well documented that this is the way the law should be applied. This is the first thing I found in a quick google search. "if a defender starts holding an attacker outside the penalty areas but continues holding inside the penalty area, the referee shall award a penalty kick". https://www.fifa.com/mm/document/afdeveloping/refereeing/law_12_fouls_misconduct_en_47379.pdf http://asktheref.com/Soccer%20Rules/Question/22236/ And imho, Moussa went down of his own accord (wasn't induced to go down by a trip - any trip inducing foot contact happened after he started to go down imo). All I said was, the first time I saw the replay I thought it was a dive - but almost immediately realised he was having his shirt pulled before he went down. The holding offence occurred first - so it's a penalty. See - if Moussa had done that without the shirt pulls, it would have been a blatant dive - imho. |
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| Ned Rise | 16 Apr 2018, 10:17 AM Post #1778 |
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These boots were made for hunbustin'
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What made McCrorie go down? |
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| green_equals_silver | 16 Apr 2018, 10:18 AM Post #1779 |
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Bobinho9
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No complaints about the officials yesterday, got all the big decisions correct and never made themselves a talking point. Can't ask for much more tbh. |
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| Gunner | 16 Apr 2018, 10:30 AM Post #1780 |
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I'll play anywhere, as long as I get a game!
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If a pull starts outside the box and carries on inside it - its a foul inside the penalty area. The refs played on a few seconds to see how the play goes on, does mcrorie let him go, does dembele get away and score anyway etc. With it being a penalty and the foul being a pull - the only outcome is a red card. Madden's called it bang on. |
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