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Ref Watch 2017/18; A fraternity of dunces
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Just to put things in perspective (as well as giving my age away. lol), Referee Jack Mowat was a self confessed bluenose (thatś what we called them in those days). Guess who was the referee in the 7-1 game? Mr. Bluenose Mowat himself. He even gave us a penalty at the death to make it 7.
Get the carrot exhumed and he can ref the next Huns game then. Too far
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7 Apr 2018, 12:55 AM
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Just to put things in perspective (as well as giving my age away. lol), Referee Jack Mowat was a self confessed bluenose (thatś what we called them in those days). Guess who was the referee in the 7-1 game? Mr. Bluenose Mowat himself. He even gave us a penalty at the death to make it 7. Oh aye give the Taigs a penalty when they're 6-1 up, that'll show how even-handed I am
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7 Apr 2018, 01:21 AM
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Just to put things in perspective (as well as giving my age away. lol), Referee Jack Mowat was a self confessed bluenose (thatś what we called them in those days). Guess who was the referee in the 7-1 game? Mr. Bluenose Mowat himself. He even gave us a penalty at the death to make it 7.
Get the carrot exhumed and he can ref the next Huns game then. They'll just see our Jack Mowat, and raise us a 1970 SCF* R. H. (Right Hun) Davidson. 
* To this day, still the most scandalous performance I have ever witnessed. 
EDITED to add: that stopped a double treble.
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7 Apr 2018, 07:21 AM
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Just to put things in perspective (as well as giving my age away. lol), Referee Jack Mowat was a self confessed bluenose (thatś what we called them in those days). Guess who was the referee in the 7-1 game? Mr. Bluenose Mowat himself. He even gave us a penalty at the death to make it 7.
Get the carrot exhumed and he can ref the next Huns game then.
They'll just see our Jack Mowat, and raise us a 1970 SCF* R. H. (Right Hun) Davidson.  * To this day, still the most scandalous  performance I have ever witnessed.  EDITED to add: that stopped a double treble.  Worse than John Robertson Proudfoot Gordon (Newport on Tay) at Ibrox in 1978?
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7 Apr 2018, 07:28 AM
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Just stumbled across this in relation to the 1970 SCF:
Jock Stein gave referee Davidson a mouthful at full time and was fined £10 by the SFA. In later years Aberdeen boss Eddie Turnbull was asked if Davidson's performnce was that bad. He replied: 'Put it this way, if I had been in big Jock’s shoes, I’d have had 20 quids’ worth!
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7 Apr 2018, 07:47 AM
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They'll just see our Jack Mowat, and raise us a 1970 SCF* R. H. (Right Hun) Davidson.  * To this day, still the most scandalous  performance I have ever witnessed.  EDITED to add: that stopped a double treble. 
Worse than John Robertson Proudfoot Gordon (Newport on Tay) at Ibrox in 1978? Much, much worse; gave Aberdeen a penalty for feck all and disallowed a Bobby Lennox goal - which would made it -1-1 - for an imaginary foul. Wee Jinky hooked him from behind for that decision.
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7 Apr 2018, 08:24 AM
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Shinnie booked sixteen times this season, says he can't change the way he plays and the refs are too quick to book "combative midfielders". The refs may not be the best but surely he's got to take a look at himself, read the rule book and play within the margins?
YELLOW PERIL Aberdeen skipper Graeme Shinnie says referees are too quick to book players as he prepares to sit out Scottish Cup semi-final The Dons star admits 'combative' midfielders could become a thing of the past if refs continue to flash yellow
Spoiler: click to toggle By Robert Thomson GRAEME SHINNIE insists the days of combative Scottish midfielders could be OVER if refs continue to flash cards like confetti. The Aberdeen skipper will face Hearts tomorrow before taking to the stand when his team-mates play Motherwell in next weekend’s Scottish Cup semi-final. Shinnie has already missed massive league clashes with Hibs and Rangers this term due to the bookings he’s collected. Along with John McGinn and Murray Davidson, the Dons man is one of the most carded players in the Premiership. And Shinnie — booked 16 times already — reckons it’s NO coincidence they all play in exactly the same position. He said: “It has become a talking point with how many bookings I’ve picked up but I’m not going to change. “I can’t change, this is the way I play. “John McGinn will play the same way because that’s what he’s good at. Murray Davidson is another one as well. We all play in the same position and it’s just the way we play. “You always want a bit of leeway and, if you book someone straight away, it sets the tone for the game. “I’m guessing referees know what I’m like and how I’ll play. Maybe they could have a bit of leeway. I’ve never been sent off — I’m always in control. “I like to have a bit of a dig but when I get booked, I don’t go flying into tackles. I’ve always got my head screwed on. “It’s been part of my game this year that’s been disappointing. “But I physically can’t change my style. “If I try to calm down then one little thing in the game can make me switch again. “It’s the only way I know and it’s what I’m good at. It’s what’s got me to where I am now. “I feel some of my bookings have been very harsh — some have been my first tackle. I play in the middle of the park, so you would want a bit of leeway. “But I’m not going to change the way I play. I’m on a roll, I’ve had two games without a booking! “The manager probably plays me there because of that little bit of dig. If you take that away, it’s hampering the team. “Naturally I do try to stay away from the bookings and it has become a talking point. “Sometimes with a booking so early, it sets the tone for the game. There was an early booking in the Kilmarnock game, so he had to keep booking boys. “The way I play, you expect tackles to be going in and there will be fouls in the game. But there doesn’t need to be yellow cards every time. “The Ross County one stands out — it was late in the game and I think we were 4-1 up.” Next weekend will be the Dons’ biggest game of the season as they bid to end their long wait for another Scottish Cup triumph. Shinnie won’t be involved because he’s picked up two yellows in four matches and will be joined by Shay Logan and Kenny McLean in the Hampden stand. All three are key men for the Dons and the midfielder believes the cup cautions criteria is far too stringent. He said: “The cup cautions rule is a bit harsh. “When I was at Inverness Gary Warren missed two cup finals, one of them was for two bookings. “If it’s a red you should get punished but if it’s bookings, it’s a bit harsh. “You want the best players on the park for big occasions, not missing out for stupid bookings. “The semi-finals are big games for Scottish football and you still want big players playing in them. “We’re going in without me, Shay or Kenny and we’ve played most of the games this season. “Obviously you can’t go around booting people and have five or six bookings. “But, in cup football, with the atmosphere and what cup football is, it’s quite easy to pick up two bookings.” Aberdeen are locked in a battle with Hibs and Rangers for second place and, as things stand, are top of that pile. They face a Hearts side today who are unbeaten since returning to Tynecastle but Shinnie takes confidence from the fact the Dons have looked much more like themselves lately. He said: “We’re doing alright, the goals have came back. “We went through a wee stage of maybe struggling to score goals. But the front boys have done really well to change that around. “I think Tuesday down at Motherwell was a big result for us. It was our game in hand and one we were determined to win to give us a wee bit of breathing space in second. “At this stage of the season, every game is important, and you’ve just got to pick up the three points. “Hearts is our last game going into the split then after that it’s a free for all with teams playing teams around each other. “It’s important we try and get the three points going into that.” https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/2469242/aberdeen-graeme-shinnie-referees-too-quick-book-sit-out-scottish-cup/
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7 Apr 2018, 08:32 AM
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How many Glasgow derbys has Madden actually refereed?
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7 Apr 2018, 09:00 AM
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How many Glasgow derbys has Madden actually refereed? Too many.
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7 Apr 2018, 09:27 AM
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They'll just see our Jack Mowat, and raise us a 1970 SCF* R. H. (Right Hun) Davidson.  * To this day, still the most scandalous  performance I have ever witnessed.  EDITED to add: that stopped a double treble. 
Worse than John Robertson Proudfoot Gordon (Newport on Tay) at Ibrox in 1978? He might have been a cheating Hun but at least he looked sharp in his Italian suit...
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7 Apr 2018, 09:29 AM
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Worse than John Robertson Proudfoot Gordon (Newport on Tay) at Ibrox in 1978?
He might have been a cheating Hun but at least he looked sharp in his Italian suit... The Dapper Dob?
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Shinnie booked sixteen times this season, says he can't change the way he plays and the refs are too quick to book "combative midfielders". The refs may not be the best but surely he's got to take a look at himself, read the rule book and play within the margins? YELLOW PERIL Aberdeen skipper Graeme Shinnie says referees are too quick to book players as he prepares to sit out Scottish Cup semi-finalThe Dons star admits 'combative' midfielders could become a thing of the past if refs continue to flash yellow Spoiler: click to toggle By Robert Thomson GRAEME SHINNIE insists the days of combative Scottish midfielders could be OVER if refs continue to flash cards like confetti. The Aberdeen skipper will face Hearts tomorrow before taking to the stand when his team-mates play Motherwell in next weekend’s Scottish Cup semi-final. Shinnie has already missed massive league clashes with Hibs and Rangers this term due to the bookings he’s collected. Along with John McGinn and Murray Davidson, the Dons man is one of the most carded players in the Premiership. And Shinnie — booked 16 times already — reckons it’s NO coincidence they all play in exactly the same position. He said: “It has become a talking point with how many bookings I’ve picked up but I’m not going to change. “I can’t change, this is the way I play. “John McGinn will play the same way because that’s what he’s good at. Murray Davidson is another one as well. We all play in the same position and it’s just the way we play. “You always want a bit of leeway and, if you book someone straight away, it sets the tone for the game. “I’m guessing referees know what I’m like and how I’ll play. Maybe they could have a bit of leeway. I’ve never been sent off — I’m always in control. “I like to have a bit of a dig but when I get booked, I don’t go flying into tackles. I’ve always got my head screwed on. “It’s been part of my game this year that’s been disappointing. “But I physically can’t change my style. “If I try to calm down then one little thing in the game can make me switch again. “It’s the only way I know and it’s what I’m good at. It’s what’s got me to where I am now. “I feel some of my bookings have been very harsh — some have been my first tackle. I play in the middle of the park, so you would want a bit of leeway. “But I’m not going to change the way I play. I’m on a roll, I’ve had two games without a booking! “The manager probably plays me there because of that little bit of dig. If you take that away, it’s hampering the team. “Naturally I do try to stay away from the bookings and it has become a talking point. “Sometimes with a booking so early, it sets the tone for the game. There was an early booking in the Kilmarnock game, so he had to keep booking boys. “The way I play, you expect tackles to be going in and there will be fouls in the game. But there doesn’t need to be yellow cards every time. “The Ross County one stands out — it was late in the game and I think we were 4-1 up.” Next weekend will be the Dons’ biggest game of the season as they bid to end their long wait for another Scottish Cup triumph. Shinnie won’t be involved because he’s picked up two yellows in four matches and will be joined by Shay Logan and Kenny McLean in the Hampden stand. All three are key men for the Dons and the midfielder believes the cup cautions criteria is far too stringent. He said: “The cup cautions rule is a bit harsh. “When I was at Inverness Gary Warren missed two cup finals, one of them was for two bookings. “If it’s a red you should get punished but if it’s bookings, it’s a bit harsh. “You want the best players on the park for big occasions, not missing out for stupid bookings. “The semi-finals are big games for Scottish football and you still want big players playing in them. “We’re going in without me, Shay or Kenny and we’ve played most of the games this season. “Obviously you can’t go around booting people and have five or six bookings. “But, in cup football, with the atmosphere and what cup football is, it’s quite easy to pick up two bookings.” Aberdeen are locked in a battle with Hibs and Rangers for second place and, as things stand, are top of that pile. They face a Hearts side today who are unbeaten since returning to Tynecastle but Shinnie takes confidence from the fact the Dons have looked much more like themselves lately. He said: “We’re doing alright, the goals have came back. “We went through a wee stage of maybe struggling to score goals. But the front boys have done really well to change that around. “I think Tuesday down at Motherwell was a big result for us. It was our game in hand and one we were determined to win to give us a wee bit of breathing space in second. “At this stage of the season, every game is important, and you’ve just got to pick up the three points. “Hearts is our last game going into the split then after that it’s a free for all with teams playing teams around each other. “It’s important we try and get the three points going into that.” https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/2469242/aberdeen-graeme-shinnie-referees-too-quick-book-sit-out-scottish-cup/ It would really be a shame if the 'combative Scottish midfielder' became a thing of the past, as it really helps our clubs and national teams when we play more technical teams.
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7 Apr 2018, 11:17 AM
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I know it's not related to Scottish football, but the 4th official last night telling Phil Neville to stop helping the Welsh player down with cramp and to take the literally single step back into his technical area sums up the sort of jobsworth ringpiece you have to be to be a football official these days.
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7 Apr 2018, 11:33 AM
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I know it's not related to Scottish football, but the 4th official last night telling Phil Neville to stop helping the Welsh player down with cramp and to take the literally single step back into his technical area sums up the sort of jobsworth ringpiece you have to be to be a football official these days. yeah, saw that. The Welsh lass was in screaming agony, he did the human thing which was to immediately look to help and near got sent off for his troubles
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He might have been a cheating Hun but at least he looked sharp in his Italian suit...
The Dapper Dob? It was a camel coat and a Seiko watch.
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Well known Tim, Steven McLean, is the 4th official, so that’ll balance out Madden’s influence on the game. Beyond sarcasm?
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7 Apr 2018, 08:06 PM
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According to their sites, he’s also a member of the Ludge
That doesn't necessarily make him a Hun. Hahahahaha
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Shinnie booked sixteen times this season, says he can't change the way he plays and the refs are too quick to book "combative midfielders". The refs may not be the best but surely he's got to take a look at himself, read the rule book and play within the margins? YELLOW PERIL Aberdeen skipper Graeme Shinnie says referees are too quick to book players as he prepares to sit out Scottish Cup semi-finalThe Dons star admits 'combative' midfielders could become a thing of the past if refs continue to flash yellow Spoiler: click to toggle By Robert Thomson GRAEME SHINNIE insists the days of combative Scottish midfielders could be OVER if refs continue to flash cards like confetti. The Aberdeen skipper will face Hearts tomorrow before taking to the stand when his team-mates play Motherwell in next weekend’s Scottish Cup semi-final. Shinnie has already missed massive league clashes with Hibs and Rangers this term due to the bookings he’s collected. Along with John McGinn and Murray Davidson, the Dons man is one of the most carded players in the Premiership. And Shinnie — booked 16 times already — reckons it’s NO coincidence they all play in exactly the same position. He said: “It has become a talking point with how many bookings I’ve picked up but I’m not going to change. “I can’t change, this is the way I play. “John McGinn will play the same way because that’s what he’s good at. Murray Davidson is another one as well. We all play in the same position and it’s just the way we play. “You always want a bit of leeway and, if you book someone straight away, it sets the tone for the game. “I’m guessing referees know what I’m like and how I’ll play. Maybe they could have a bit of leeway. I’ve never been sent off — I’m always in control. “I like to have a bit of a dig but when I get booked, I don’t go flying into tackles. I’ve always got my head screwed on. “It’s been part of my game this year that’s been disappointing. “But I physically can’t change my style. “If I try to calm down then one little thing in the game can make me switch again. “It’s the only way I know and it’s what I’m good at. It’s what’s got me to where I am now. “I feel some of my bookings have been very harsh — some have been my first tackle. I play in the middle of the park, so you would want a bit of leeway. “But I’m not going to change the way I play. I’m on a roll, I’ve had two games without a booking! “The manager probably plays me there because of that little bit of dig. If you take that away, it’s hampering the team. “Naturally I do try to stay away from the bookings and it has become a talking point. “Sometimes with a booking so early, it sets the tone for the game. There was an early booking in the Kilmarnock game, so he had to keep booking boys. “The way I play, you expect tackles to be going in and there will be fouls in the game. But there doesn’t need to be yellow cards every time. “The Ross County one stands out — it was late in the game and I think we were 4-1 up.” Next weekend will be the Dons’ biggest game of the season as they bid to end their long wait for another Scottish Cup triumph. Shinnie won’t be involved because he’s picked up two yellows in four matches and will be joined by Shay Logan and Kenny McLean in the Hampden stand. All three are key men for the Dons and the midfielder believes the cup cautions criteria is far too stringent. He said: “The cup cautions rule is a bit harsh. “When I was at Inverness Gary Warren missed two cup finals, one of them was for two bookings. “If it’s a red you should get punished but if it’s bookings, it’s a bit harsh. “You want the best players on the park for big occasions, not missing out for stupid bookings. “The semi-finals are big games for Scottish football and you still want big players playing in them. “We’re going in without me, Shay or Kenny and we’ve played most of the games this season. “Obviously you can’t go around booting people and have five or six bookings. “But, in cup football, with the atmosphere and what cup football is, it’s quite easy to pick up two bookings.” Aberdeen are locked in a battle with Hibs and Rangers for second place and, as things stand, are top of that pile. They face a Hearts side today who are unbeaten since returning to Tynecastle but Shinnie takes confidence from the fact the Dons have looked much more like themselves lately. He said: “We’re doing alright, the goals have came back. “We went through a wee stage of maybe struggling to score goals. But the front boys have done really well to change that around. “I think Tuesday down at Motherwell was a big result for us. It was our game in hand and one we were determined to win to give us a wee bit of breathing space in second. “At this stage of the season, every game is important, and you’ve just got to pick up the three points. “Hearts is our last game going into the split then after that it’s a free for all with teams playing teams around each other. “It’s important we try and get the three points going into that.” https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/2469242/aberdeen-graeme-shinnie-referees-too-quick-book-sit-out-scottish-cup/
It would really be a shame if the 'combative Scottish midfielder' became a thing of the past, as it really helps our clubs and national teams when we play more technical teams. It's something that really annoys me. There is a lot of hot air about why our teams perform so badly in Europe. Something which does not get the attention it should is the poor quality of refereeing in Scotland which effectively encourages a style of agricultural football which is not tolerated on the continent.
It is hard to criticise coaches for using the type of negative tactics which they know officials will allow, given the pressure on them for results. I have no problem with a bit of physicality in the game, but I expect referees to take action / give fouls / book players when the laws are broken. In Scotland they seem to see it as their role to equalise the gap in quality between us and the rest by favouring our opponents and allowing a broad range of often niggly fouls.
It does not excuse some of our below par performances this season, but it has proved effective in nullifying our play a few times. The bigger picture is the effect that it must have on other teams in Europe. You can't expect them to change their style of play. And people like Neil McCann may like to say that our game is not as rough as it used to be, but equally it has not progressed the way it has in other countries where, with more limited resources, they can still produce more technically accomplished teams / players.
Rant over.
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- 7 Apr 2018, 09:00 PM
- Quiet Assasin
- 7 Apr 2018, 09:29 AM
- Gothamcelt
- 7 Apr 2018, 08:24 AM
Shinnie booked sixteen times this season, says he can't change the way he plays and the refs are too quick to book "combative midfielders". The refs may not be the best but surely he's got to take a look at himself, read the rule book and play within the margins? YELLOW PERIL Aberdeen skipper Graeme Shinnie says referees are too quick to book players as he prepares to sit out Scottish Cup semi-finalThe Dons star admits 'combative' midfielders could become a thing of the past if refs continue to flash yellow Spoiler: click to toggle By Robert Thomson GRAEME SHINNIE insists the days of combative Scottish midfielders could be OVER if refs continue to flash cards like confetti. The Aberdeen skipper will face Hearts tomorrow before taking to the stand when his team-mates play Motherwell in next weekend’s Scottish Cup semi-final. Shinnie has already missed massive league clashes with Hibs and Rangers this term due to the bookings he’s collected. Along with John McGinn and Murray Davidson, the Dons man is one of the most carded players in the Premiership. And Shinnie — booked 16 times already — reckons it’s NO coincidence they all play in exactly the same position. He said: “It has become a talking point with how many bookings I’ve picked up but I’m not going to change. “I can’t change, this is the way I play. “John McGinn will play the same way because that’s what he’s good at. Murray Davidson is another one as well. We all play in the same position and it’s just the way we play. “You always want a bit of leeway and, if you book someone straight away, it sets the tone for the game. “I’m guessing referees know what I’m like and how I’ll play. Maybe they could have a bit of leeway. I’ve never been sent off — I’m always in control. “I like to have a bit of a dig but when I get booked, I don’t go flying into tackles. I’ve always got my head screwed on. “It’s been part of my game this year that’s been disappointing. “But I physically can’t change my style. “If I try to calm down then one little thing in the game can make me switch again. “It’s the only way I know and it’s what I’m good at. It’s what’s got me to where I am now. “I feel some of my bookings have been very harsh — some have been my first tackle. I play in the middle of the park, so you would want a bit of leeway. “But I’m not going to change the way I play. I’m on a roll, I’ve had two games without a booking! “The manager probably plays me there because of that little bit of dig. If you take that away, it’s hampering the team. “Naturally I do try to stay away from the bookings and it has become a talking point. “Sometimes with a booking so early, it sets the tone for the game. There was an early booking in the Kilmarnock game, so he had to keep booking boys. “The way I play, you expect tackles to be going in and there will be fouls in the game. But there doesn’t need to be yellow cards every time. “The Ross County one stands out — it was late in the game and I think we were 4-1 up.” Next weekend will be the Dons’ biggest game of the season as they bid to end their long wait for another Scottish Cup triumph. Shinnie won’t be involved because he’s picked up two yellows in four matches and will be joined by Shay Logan and Kenny McLean in the Hampden stand. All three are key men for the Dons and the midfielder believes the cup cautions criteria is far too stringent. He said: “The cup cautions rule is a bit harsh. “When I was at Inverness Gary Warren missed two cup finals, one of them was for two bookings. “If it’s a red you should get punished but if it’s bookings, it’s a bit harsh. “You want the best players on the park for big occasions, not missing out for stupid bookings. “The semi-finals are big games for Scottish football and you still want big players playing in them. “We’re going in without me, Shay or Kenny and we’ve played most of the games this season. “Obviously you can’t go around booting people and have five or six bookings. “But, in cup football, with the atmosphere and what cup football is, it’s quite easy to pick up two bookings.” Aberdeen are locked in a battle with Hibs and Rangers for second place and, as things stand, are top of that pile. They face a Hearts side today who are unbeaten since returning to Tynecastle but Shinnie takes confidence from the fact the Dons have looked much more like themselves lately. He said: “We’re doing alright, the goals have came back. “We went through a wee stage of maybe struggling to score goals. But the front boys have done really well to change that around. “I think Tuesday down at Motherwell was a big result for us. It was our game in hand and one we were determined to win to give us a wee bit of breathing space in second. “At this stage of the season, every game is important, and you’ve just got to pick up the three points. “Hearts is our last game going into the split then after that it’s a free for all with teams playing teams around each other. “It’s important we try and get the three points going into that.” https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/2469242/aberdeen-graeme-shinnie-referees-too-quick-book-sit-out-scottish-cup/
It would really be a shame if the 'combative Scottish midfielder' became a thing of the past, as it really helps our clubs and national teams when we play more technical teams.
It's something that really annoys me. There is a lot of hot air about why our teams perform so badly in Europe. Something which does not get the attention it should is the poor quality of refereeing in Scotland which effectively encourages a style of agricultural football which is not tolerated on the continent. It is hard to criticise coaches for using the type of negative tactics which they know officials will allow, given the pressure on them for results. I have no problem with a bit of physicality in the game, but I expect referees to take action / give fouls / book players when the laws are broken. In Scotland they seem to see it as their role to equalise the gap in quality between us and the rest by favouring our opponents and allowing a broad range of often niggly fouls. It does not excuse some of our below par performances this season, but it has proved effective in nullifying our play a few times. The bigger picture is the effect that it must have on other teams in Europe. You can't expect them to change their style of play. And people like Neil McCann may like to say that our game is not as rough as it used to be, but equally it has not progressed the way it has in other countries where, with more limited resources, they can still produce more technically accomplished teams / players. Rant over. Aye you watch footbsll elsewhere in Europe after watching us and it's like a totally different rule book.
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- elparaiso
- 7 Apr 2018, 09:00 PM
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- 7 Apr 2018, 09:29 AM
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- 7 Apr 2018, 08:24 AM
Shinnie booked sixteen times this season, says he can't change the way he plays and the refs are too quick to book "combative midfielders". The refs may not be the best but surely he's got to take a look at himself, read the rule book and play within the margins? YELLOW PERIL Aberdeen skipper Graeme Shinnie says referees are too quick to book players as he prepares to sit out Scottish Cup semi-finalThe Dons star admits 'combative' midfielders could become a thing of the past if refs continue to flash yellow Spoiler: click to toggle By Robert Thomson GRAEME SHINNIE insists the days of combative Scottish midfielders could be OVER if refs continue to flash cards like confetti. The Aberdeen skipper will face Hearts tomorrow before taking to the stand when his team-mates play Motherwell in next weekend’s Scottish Cup semi-final. Shinnie has already missed massive league clashes with Hibs and Rangers this term due to the bookings he’s collected. Along with John McGinn and Murray Davidson, the Dons man is one of the most carded players in the Premiership. And Shinnie — booked 16 times already — reckons it’s NO coincidence they all play in exactly the same position. He said: “It has become a talking point with how many bookings I’ve picked up but I’m not going to change. “I can’t change, this is the way I play. “John McGinn will play the same way because that’s what he’s good at. Murray Davidson is another one as well. We all play in the same position and it’s just the way we play. “You always want a bit of leeway and, if you book someone straight away, it sets the tone for the game. “I’m guessing referees know what I’m like and how I’ll play. Maybe they could have a bit of leeway. I’ve never been sent off — I’m always in control. “I like to have a bit of a dig but when I get booked, I don’t go flying into tackles. I’ve always got my head screwed on. “It’s been part of my game this year that’s been disappointing. “But I physically can’t change my style. “If I try to calm down then one little thing in the game can make me switch again. “It’s the only way I know and it’s what I’m good at. It’s what’s got me to where I am now. “I feel some of my bookings have been very harsh — some have been my first tackle. I play in the middle of the park, so you would want a bit of leeway. “But I’m not going to change the way I play. I’m on a roll, I’ve had two games without a booking! “The manager probably plays me there because of that little bit of dig. If you take that away, it’s hampering the team. “Naturally I do try to stay away from the bookings and it has become a talking point. “Sometimes with a booking so early, it sets the tone for the game. There was an early booking in the Kilmarnock game, so he had to keep booking boys. “The way I play, you expect tackles to be going in and there will be fouls in the game. But there doesn’t need to be yellow cards every time. “The Ross County one stands out — it was late in the game and I think we were 4-1 up.” Next weekend will be the Dons’ biggest game of the season as they bid to end their long wait for another Scottish Cup triumph. Shinnie won’t be involved because he’s picked up two yellows in four matches and will be joined by Shay Logan and Kenny McLean in the Hampden stand. All three are key men for the Dons and the midfielder believes the cup cautions criteria is far too stringent. He said: “The cup cautions rule is a bit harsh. “When I was at Inverness Gary Warren missed two cup finals, one of them was for two bookings. “If it’s a red you should get punished but if it’s bookings, it’s a bit harsh. “You want the best players on the park for big occasions, not missing out for stupid bookings. “The semi-finals are big games for Scottish football and you still want big players playing in them. “We’re going in without me, Shay or Kenny and we’ve played most of the games this season. “Obviously you can’t go around booting people and have five or six bookings. “But, in cup football, with the atmosphere and what cup football is, it’s quite easy to pick up two bookings.” Aberdeen are locked in a battle with Hibs and Rangers for second place and, as things stand, are top of that pile. They face a Hearts side today who are unbeaten since returning to Tynecastle but Shinnie takes confidence from the fact the Dons have looked much more like themselves lately. He said: “We’re doing alright, the goals have came back. “We went through a wee stage of maybe struggling to score goals. But the front boys have done really well to change that around. “I think Tuesday down at Motherwell was a big result for us. It was our game in hand and one we were determined to win to give us a wee bit of breathing space in second. “At this stage of the season, every game is important, and you’ve just got to pick up the three points. “Hearts is our last game going into the split then after that it’s a free for all with teams playing teams around each other. “It’s important we try and get the three points going into that.” https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/2469242/aberdeen-graeme-shinnie-referees-too-quick-book-sit-out-scottish-cup/
It would really be a shame if the 'combative Scottish midfielder' became a thing of the past, as it really helps our clubs and national teams when we play more technical teams.
It's something that really annoys me. There is a lot of hot air about why our teams perform so badly in Europe. Something which does not get the attention it should is the poor quality of refereeing in Scotland which effectively encourages a style of agricultural football which is not tolerated on the continent. It is hard to criticise coaches for using the type of negative tactics which they know officials will allow, given the pressure on them for results. I have no problem with a bit of physicality in the game, but I expect referees to take action / give fouls / book players when the laws are broken. In Scotland they seem to see it as their role to equalise the gap in quality between us and the rest by favouring our opponents and allowing a broad range of often niggly fouls. It does not excuse some of our below par performances this season, but it has proved effective in nullifying our play a few times. The bigger picture is the effect that it must have on other teams in Europe. You can't expect them to change their style of play. And people like Neil McCann may like to say that our game is not as rough as it used to be, but equally it has not progressed the way it has in other countries where, with more limited resources, they can still produce more technically accomplished teams / players. Rant over. I couldn't agree more.
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