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Ref Watch 2017/18; A fraternity of dunces
Topic Started: 5 Aug 2017, 03:56 PM (201,350 Views)
Otis B Driftwood
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25 Mar 2018, 02:03 PM
e.g. HTF did Dallas Jr. get to Grade 1? He is fecking useless.

You're not seriously looking for an answer ?
It is rhetorical; an example of what constitutes preferential treatment.

I know a couple of guys (both Tims) who made it as far as running the line in the PL/SPL; the influence of the Brotherhood in career progression is firmly entrenched in SFAR(?) circles.
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Mickeybhoy84
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Such an unexpected, unprecedented and most welcome expose yet KDS barely raises an eyebrow? And in a dead, distraction-free international week! Why so blase about this, Chaps? Ok, it’s referees eating themselves, but it raises two important points of wider/Celtic related interest:

- that there is a self serving clique who can and do get away with officiating games however they want
- the pernicious influence of the Lanarkshire, Glasgow & Renfrewshire Referees Associations

The article should encouraging for everyone seeking reform of the game. It is evidence of corruption.
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Mickeybhoy84
25 Mar 2018, 01:24 PM
Such an unexpected, unprecedented and most welcome expose yet KDS barely raises an eyebrow? And in a dead, distraction-free international week! Why so blase about this, Chaps? Ok, it’s referees eating themselves, but it raises two important points of wider/Celtic related interest:

- that there is a self serving clique who can and do get away with officiating games however they want
- the pernicious influence of the Lanarkshire, Glasgow & Renfrewshire Referees Associations

The article should encouraging for everyone seeking reform of the game. It is evidence of corruption.
I think most of what’s in there was already widely known or at least suspected. It’s just rare to see it all written down in a MSM article. I know there are a lot of disgruntled ex-refs out there who chucked it when they realised they were going to be overlooked for promotion because there were inferior referees who were better at brown nosing. There needs to be a serious change in culture but we’ve seen how resistant to meaningful change Scotttish football authorities are.
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aldo
26 Mar 2018, 09:16 AM
Mickeybhoy84
25 Mar 2018, 01:24 PM
Such an unexpected, unprecedented and most welcome expose yet KDS barely raises an eyebrow? And in a dead, distraction-free international week! Why so blase about this, Chaps? Ok, it’s referees eating themselves, but it raises two important points of wider/Celtic related interest:

- that there is a self serving clique who can and do get away with officiating games however they want
- the pernicious influence of the Lanarkshire, Glasgow & Renfrewshire Referees Associations

The article should encouraging for everyone seeking reform of the game. It is evidence of corruption.
I think there's a expectation that, like so many other things, nothing more will happen. This self-perpetuating clique have no incentive to institute change. Unless refs further down the ranks take some kind of collective action, what reason do the suits have to disturb the status quo.
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26 Mar 2018, 09:16 AM
Mickeybhoy84
25 Mar 2018, 01:24 PM
Such an unexpected, unprecedented and most welcome expose yet KDS barely raises an eyebrow? And in a dead, distraction-free international week! Why so blase about this, Chaps? Ok, it’s referees eating themselves, but it raises two important points of wider/Celtic related interest:

- that there is a self serving clique who can and do get away with officiating games however they want
- the pernicious influence of the Lanarkshire, Glasgow & Renfrewshire Referees Associations

The article should encouraging for everyone seeking reform of the game. It is evidence of corruption.
I think there's a expectation that, like so many other things, nothing more will happen. This self-perpetuating clique have no incentive to institute change. Unless refs further down the ranks take some kind of collective action, what reason do the suits have to disturb the status quo.
It's fairly simple to work out.
Most, or all, of the guys who start refereeing do it either at a young age for a couple of quid, or when they stop playing and are trying to give a bit back to the game. The older guys basically start too late - they are actually the ones who have some life skill, like football and have a rough idea what's what.

The younger guys don't have that experience, and sometimes get the piss ripped out of them, to the point where they don't even like the players. Of those, the one's who want to move up get watched and go by he letter of the law turning them into charmless robots, who then become competitive charmless robots chasing big games and who will kow-tow to whoever is making decisions. That includes getting on committees, attending meetings etc.

So these guys generally take this up as a hobby which turns into a lucrative wee number and is run by guys of similar ilk right the way through. No-one with any ambition will rock the boat - those that do tumble PDQ.

Amateurs run by amateurs basically. Likely many good guys in there, but seriously needing some redirection and professionalism brought in.
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Otis B Driftwood
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Otis B Driftwood
25 Mar 2018, 10:06 PM
You're not seriously looking for an answer ?
It is rhetorical; an example of what constitutes preferential treatment.

I know a couple of guys (both Tims) who made it as far as running the line in the PL/SPL; the influence of the Brotherhood in career progression is firmly entrenched in SFAR(?) circles.
I know a guy, good Tim, who ran the line in the SPL although he never made it to grade 1 and wasn’t allowed to do us v Huns. He said that unless you were a Hun or were creeping around Fleming and Dallas you had no chance of getting to the top.
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25 Mar 2018, 10:08 PM
It is rhetorical; an example of what constitutes preferential treatment.

I know a couple of guys (both Tims) who made it as far as running the line in the PL/SPL; the influence of the Brotherhood in career progression is firmly entrenched in SFAR(?) circles.
I know a guy, good Tim, who ran the line in the SPL although he never made it to grade 1 and wasn’t allowed to do us v Huns. He said that unless you were a Hun or were creeping around Fleming and Dallas you had no chance of getting to the top.
One of the guys I know ran the line in the 6-2 game; that said, he also disallowed four goals by Brattbakk in a 4-0 (Brattbakk, 4) win against Kilmarnock. :blink:
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Otis B Driftwood
25 Mar 2018, 10:18 PM
I know a guy, good Tim, who ran the line in the SPL although he never made it to grade 1 and wasn’t allowed to do us v Huns. He said that unless you were a Hun or were creeping around Fleming and Dallas you had no chance of getting to the top.
One of the guys I know ran the line in the 6-2 game; that said, he also disallowed four goals by Brattbakk in a 4-0 (Brattbakk, 4) win against Kilmarnock. :blink:
Disallowed four goals!? :ponder:

How do I not remember this...? :rubeyes:
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26 Mar 2018, 12:19 PM
One of the guys I know ran the line in the 6-2 game; that said, he also disallowed four goals by Brattbakk in a 4-0 (Brattbakk, 4) win against Kilmarnock. :blink:
Disallowed four goals!? :ponder:

How do I not remember this...? :rubeyes:
I remember it. He had the ball in the net EIGHT times! :lol:
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Otis B Driftwood
26 Mar 2018, 01:55 PM
Disallowed four goals!? :ponder:

How do I not remember this...? :rubeyes:
I remember it. He had the ball in the net EIGHT times! :lol:
I was at that game. He didn't have 4 goals chopped off. He hit the post twice and missed a couple of sitters but there were no goals disallowed at all as far as I can remember.
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Otis B Driftwood
25 Mar 2018, 10:18 PM
I know a guy, good Tim, who ran the line in the SPL although he never made it to grade 1 and wasn’t allowed to do us v Huns. He said that unless you were a Hun or were creeping around Fleming and Dallas you had no chance of getting to the top.
One of the guys I know ran the line in the 6-2 game; that said, he also disallowed four goals by Brattbakk in a 4-0 (Brattbakk, 4) win against Kilmarnock. :blink:
http://www.thecelticwiki.com/page/1998-02-21%3A+Celtic+4-0+Kilmarnock%2C+Premier+Division

Your mate's a lying bastard.

Typical ref really.
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Otis B Driftwood
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26 Mar 2018, 12:19 PM
One of the guys I know ran the line in the 6-2 game; that said, he also disallowed four goals by Brattbakk in a 4-0 (Brattbakk, 4) win against Kilmarnock. :blink:
http://www.thecelticwiki.com/page/1998-02-21%3A+Celtic+4-0+Kilmarnock%2C+Premier+Division

Your mate's a lying bastard.

Typical ref really.
He genuinely should have had 10 in that game.

Edited by Father John Misty, 26 Mar 2018, 04:00 PM.
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26 Mar 2018, 12:19 PM
One of the guys I know ran the line in the 6-2 game; that said, he also disallowed four goals by Brattbakk in a 4-0 (Brattbakk, 4) win against Kilmarnock. :blink:
http://www.thecelticwiki.com/page/1998-02-21%3A+Celtic+4-0+Kilmarnock%2C+Premier+Division

Your mate's a lying bastard.

Typical ref really.
He isn't; I was at the game. :P
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He isn't; I was at the game. :P
No white text :ponder:

There were no goals disallowed in that game.
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He isn't; I was at the game. :P
No white text :ponder:

There were no goals disallowed in that game.
Aye there were... four of them; I remember the game well - I was going tonto at the decisions because I was sitting in Section 105, practically directly behind the dude running the line.
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There's cross-communication going on here.

It wasn't a 4-0 win over Killie under Jansen, it was a 4-2 win over Killie under Dalglish.

Celtic Wiki - Celtic v Killie
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Aye there were... four of them; I remember the game well - I was going tonto at the decisions because I was sitting in Section 105, practically directly behind the dude running the line.
Aye I see to remember that as well. No sure if it was 4 right enough but mind a couple being disallowed. There was a game in Barnes season Johnson got a hat trick and a couple disallowed too.
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Aye there were... four of them; I remember the game well - I was going tonto at the decisions because I was sitting in Section 105, practically directly behind the dude running the line.
Aye I see to remember that as well. No sure if it was 4 right enough but mind a couple being disallowed. There was a game in Barnes season Johnson got a hat trick and a couple disallowed too.
Against Dundee, I think Johnson had the ball in the back on the net 5 times that night.
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There's cross-communication going on here.

It wasn't a 4-0 win over Killie under Jansen, it was a 4-2 win over Killie under Dalglish.

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Who said it was? :ponder:
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