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Ref Watch 2017/18; A fraternity of dunces
Topic Started: 5 Aug 2017, 03:56 PM (201,353 Views)
Gothamcelt
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Good to see someone else have a go at the officiating.

Well warpath Motherwell want answers from SFA referee supremo John Fleming over whistler Craig Thomson
Club chiefs and boss Stephen Robinson have been left deeply concerned that all five red cards shown by Thomson in games involving top-flight teams this season have been for their players
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An ex-referee claims the SFA's old pals act has made referee's untouchable.

‘Untouchable’ ref Craig Thomson accused of getting THREE out of five Motherwell red cards wrong by ex-whistler Charlie Richmond
Motherwell chiefs tore into Craig Thomson after he controversially sent Cedric Kipre off against Celtic at Fir Park.
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20 Mar 2018, 08:24 AM
An ex-referee claims the SFA's old pals act has made referee's untouchable.

‘Untouchable’ ref Craig Thomson accused of getting THREE out of five Motherwell red cards wrong by ex-whistler Charlie Richmond
Motherwell chiefs tore into Craig Thomson after he controversially sent Cedric Kipre off against Celtic at Fir Park.
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The guy is just about right - except the bit about Broony and the pub.
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20 Mar 2018, 08:24 AM
An ex-referee claims the SFA's old pals act has made referee's untouchable.

‘Untouchable’ ref Craig Thomson accused of getting THREE out of five Motherwell red cards wrong by ex-whistler Charlie Richmond
Motherwell chiefs tore into Craig Thomson after he controversially sent Cedric Kipre off against Celtic at Fir Park.
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I'd say the howling tackle by kipre instigated the whole thing but then I'm not an embittered former ref/tadger with an agenda
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Charlie Richmond complaining about poor referees :blink:

And I know I'm being pedantic but the decision to send Kipre off in the final wasn't wrong or controversial, it was the decision to award the penalty that Motherwell could argue was controversial.

Once the decision was made that it was a penalty and that Kipre had prevented a goal scoring opportunity without making any attempt to play the ball then the red card was absolutely the correct decision.
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martino
20 Mar 2018, 10:22 AM
Charlie Richmond complaining about poor referees :blink:

And I know I'm being pedantic but the decision to send Kipre off in the final wasn't wrong or controversial, it was the decision to award the penalty that Motherwell could argue was controversial.

Once the decision was made that it was a penalty and that Kipre had prevented a goal scoring opportunity without making any attempt to play the ball then the red card was absolutely the correct decision.
Was it Charlie Richmond that didnt notice Duberrys handball at McDiarmid Park in about 2010/11?
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20 Mar 2018, 11:28 AM
martino
20 Mar 2018, 10:22 AM
Charlie Richmond complaining about poor referees :blink:

And I know I'm being pedantic but the decision to send Kipre off in the final wasn't wrong or controversial, it was the decision to award the penalty that Motherwell could argue was controversial.

Once the decision was made that it was a penalty and that Kipre had prevented a goal scoring opportunity without making any attempt to play the ball then the red card was absolutely the correct decision.
Was it Charlie Richmond that didnt notice Duberrys handball at McDiarmid Park in about 2010/11?
Was that when he bent down and picked the ball up/pushed it away with his hands when on the deck - can't remember which one - then played on as if nothing had happened ? :rocker:
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20 Mar 2018, 11:32 AM
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20 Mar 2018, 11:28 AM
martino
20 Mar 2018, 10:22 AM
Charlie Richmond complaining about poor referees :blink:

And I know I'm being pedantic but the decision to send Kipre off in the final wasn't wrong or controversial, it was the decision to award the penalty that Motherwell could argue was controversial.

Once the decision was made that it was a penalty and that Kipre had prevented a goal scoring opportunity without making any attempt to play the ball then the red card was absolutely the correct decision.
Was it Charlie Richmond that didnt notice Duberrys handball at McDiarmid Park in about 2010/11?
Was that when he bent down and picked the ball up/pushed it away with his hands when on the deck - can't remember which one - then played on as if nothing had happened ? :rocker:
Was that not Brother Ian Brines.
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Refs don't half get it in the neck if it's advantage Celtic. You can see why they don't usually go there. :lol:
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19 Mar 2018, 04:26 AM
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19 Mar 2018, 02:01 AM
Thought i had seen it but clip i seen was him kicking out at broony (no stamp)...looked soft red but red nonetheless..he kicked out.

I also felt Jozo should have went last week.
He was sent off for the original tackle. Not him kicking out.
The game continues after the tackle. Thomson only stops it after the attempt to kick out.

McHugh should have walked yet there is nothing said. As with the Cup Final challenge on Dembele, Kipre could have gone for going over the ball on Brown.

Nobody apparently wants to hear any of this or add it into a rational discussion. Regardless, it is particularly bad for Scottish referees because it highlights when they should take action but don't. There was a similarly appalling tackle on McGinn on Friday night from Alston.

Motherwell get more red cards than the average because they consider tackles like McHugh's to be perfectly normal and acceptable parts of their approach to the game. Bowman on Tierney, Bowman on Cardoso, Kipre on Dembele. I could go on. Nobody should have any sympathy for them.

Although they were not ultimately punished for that one, you don't need to be a MENSA candidate to understand that over a period of time they are much more likely to get a higher amount of reds.

They play the game over the edge and they regularly get their comeuppance. I actually expect Aberdeen to ultimately suffer most, as they are the next team to play Motherwell in a big game. No doubt Motherwell will be able to foul with impunity as a means of being seen to even it all up, and the "family" club will be finalists again.
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Should be due a ref strike soon. 😂 Lennon, Wright and now Robinson all had wuite significant pops at them in the last month or so.
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AG67
20 Mar 2018, 11:32 AM
Mackin
20 Mar 2018, 11:28 AM
martino
20 Mar 2018, 10:22 AM
Charlie Richmond complaining about poor referees :blink:

And I know I'm being pedantic but the decision to send Kipre off in the final wasn't wrong or controversial, it was the decision to award the penalty that Motherwell could argue was controversial.

Once the decision was made that it was a penalty and that Kipre had prevented a goal scoring opportunity without making any attempt to play the ball then the red card was absolutely the correct decision.
Was it Charlie Richmond that didnt notice Duberrys handball at McDiarmid Park in about 2010/11?
Was that when he bent down and picked the ball up/pushed it away with his hands when on the deck - can't remember which one - then played on as if nothing had happened ? :rocker:
He slid to stop the ball going out, touched it with both hands and played on :lol:
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20 Mar 2018, 02:04 PM
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20 Mar 2018, 11:32 AM
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20 Mar 2018, 11:28 AM

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Was that when he bent down and picked the ball up/pushed it away with his hands when on the deck - can't remember which one - then played on as if nothing had happened ? :rocker:
He slid to stop the ball going out, touched it with both hands and played on :lol:
Duberry did all of the above but he actually looked up at Richmond with a look of resignation as if to say "Oh ffs what the feck have I done" ???There was actually a pause whilst he realised he was being let away with it.

#fair and impartial neutrality. :lol:
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20 Mar 2018, 02:39 PM
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He slid to stop the ball going out, touched it with both hands and played on :lol:
Duberry did all of the above but he actually looked up at Richmond with a look of resignation as if to say "Oh ffs what the feck have I done" ???There was actually a pause whilst he realised he was being let away with it.

#fair and impartial neutrality. :lol:
It was a "kicking Bishop Brennan up the arse moment" i think the ref just thought there was no way it happened and he must have just imagined it.
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who was the ref that Naka lost the head with coz he had been booted all over the pitch then the ref blew for a fowl against him think he started pointing all over the pitch trying to explain in Japanese to a Scottish ref what a carrot he was :lol:
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20 Mar 2018, 02:39 PM
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20 Mar 2018, 11:32 AM

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He slid to stop the ball going out, touched it with both hands and played on :lol:
Duberry did all of the above but he actually looked up at Richmond with a look of resignation as if to say "Oh ffs what the feck have I done" ???There was actually a pause whilst he realised he was being let away with it.

#fair and impartial neutrality. :lol:
Aye happened right in front of me lol think he thought ref gave a foul against Samaras and he just controlled it with his hand. Brines looking right at him.
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Can anyone explain why, at one point on Sunday, Thomson wouldn't allow us to take a quick FK in our own box to get the ball moving again. Repeatedly he blew for us to move the ball back 5 yards or so.

I understand there's a need to stick to the letter of the law to a degree, but the placement of the ball there had little bearing on the game in terms of a goal being scored or the like. We see this every week, referees choosing specific moments to apply their authority and then literally seconds later ignoring the exact same offence - a throw-in or FK taken 10 yards further up the pitch.

The inconsistency is effing infuriating.
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21 Mar 2018, 11:02 AM
Can anyone explain why, at one point on Sunday, Thomson wouldn't allow us to take a quick FK in our own box to get the ball moving again. Repeatedly he blew for us to move the ball back 5 yards or so.

I understand there's a need to stick to the letter of the law to a degree, but the placement of the ball there had little bearing on the game in terms of a goal being scored or the like. We see this every week, referees choosing specific moments to apply their authority and then literally seconds later ignoring the exact same offence - a throw-in or FK taken 10 yards further up the pitch.

The inconsistency is effing infuriating.
Not sure, maybe was because the ball hadn't travelled outside the box?
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Luca
21 Mar 2018, 11:02 AM
Can anyone explain why, at one point on Sunday, Thomson wouldn't allow us to take a quick FK in our own box to get the ball moving again. Repeatedly he blew for us to move the ball back 5 yards or so.

I understand there's a need to stick to the letter of the law to a degree, but the placement of the ball there had little bearing on the game in terms of a goal being scored or the like. We see this every week, referees choosing specific moments to apply their authority and then literally seconds later ignoring the exact same offence - a throw-in or FK taken 10 yards further up the pitch.

The inconsistency is effing infuriating.
He might have seen Bain passing to Boyata and was trying to do us a favour.

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Luca
21 Mar 2018, 11:02 AM
Can anyone explain why, at one point on Sunday, Thomson wouldn't allow us to take a quick FK in our own box to get the ball moving again. Repeatedly he blew for us to move the ball back 5 yards or so.

I understand there's a need to stick to the letter of the law to a degree, but the placement of the ball there had little bearing on the game in terms of a goal being scored or the like. We see this every week, referees choosing specific moments to apply their authority and then literally seconds later ignoring the exact same offence - a throw-in or FK taken 10 yards further up the pitch.

The inconsistency is effing infuriating.
Pure guesswork, but from memory I remember us taking a FK from inside our box and the player it was passed to was still in the box too - which isnt allowed. Similar to a by kick, if a free kick is within your own area the ball must be recieved outside the area. So I thought at the time that, that was the reason the FK was asked to be taken again - and not that it was from the wrong position.
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