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Ref Watch 2017/18; A fraternity of dunces
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20 Mar 2018, 08:06 AM
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Good to see someone else have a go at the officiating.
Well warpath Motherwell want answers from SFA referee supremo John Fleming over whistler Craig Thomson Club chiefs and boss Stephen Robinson have been left deeply concerned that all five red cards shown by Thomson in games involving top-flight teams this season have been for their players
Spoiler: click to toggle By Derek McGregor MOTHERWELL want answers from SFA referee supremo John Fleming over Craig Thomson. Club chiefs and boss Stephen Robinson have been left deeply concerned that all five red cards shown by Thomson in games involving top-flight teams this season have been for their players. Charles Dunne’s dismissal — one of three in last August’s 4-1 loss to St Johnstone — was later rescinded on appeal. Well confirmed they will appeal Cedric Kipre’s sending-off against Celtic on Sunday. A livid Robinson was adamant there was nothing in it and TV pictures indicated a straight red was very harsh. Failure to get the red card overturned will see Kipre, also controversially sent packing by Thomson in last November’s Betfred Cup Final defeat to the Hoops, get at least a three-game ban for violent conduct. It’s understood Well believe that there is an urgent need for dialogue over an official who is beginning to leave them fearing he has an agenda against the Steelmen. They will stop short of asking for Thomson to be kept away from their fixtures for the forseeable future. On the Kipre appeal a Well statement said: “The club believes this is a case of wrongful dismissal. “Having submitted a player reference to the Scottish FA on behalf of the player, the matter will now go to a fast track tribunal. “The principal hearing will take place on Thursday March 22, 2018.” https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/2387233/motherwell-sfa-john-fleming-answers-craig-thomson-red-cards/
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20 Mar 2018, 08:24 AM
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An ex-referee claims the SFA's old pals act has made referee's untouchable.
‘Untouchable’ ref Craig Thomson accused of getting THREE out of five Motherwell red cards wrong by ex-whistler Charlie Richmond Motherwell chiefs tore into Craig Thomson after he controversially sent Cedric Kipre off against Celtic at Fir Park.
Spoiler: click to toggle ByEuan McLean Former referee Charlie Richmond claims whistlers don’t care about making bad decisions because the SFA’s cushy old pals’ act has made them untouchable. Furious Motherwell chiefs blasted ref Craig Thomson for harshly sending off Cedric Kipre on Sunday after reacting to a shove by Celtic captain Scott Brown. That was the fifth red card that Thomson has dished out to Motherwell this season - and the second time Kipre has been send packing, having also controversially seen red against Celtic during the League Cup final. Richmond ruled out talk of Thomson having an agenda against a Well side wondering why he hasn’t red carded players from any other team all season. But Richmond insists that the whistler won’t care about the outcry because the few referees at the top are above punishment as the SFA’s failing production line ensures that there is no one good enough to come in and replace them. He said: “Of the five red cards Craig has given this season he’s got two right and three wrong. Not a good batting average. “But I don’t think he will care, he won’t bother in the slightest because there are no consequences for him. “Overall the standard of refereeing in Scotland is poor at the moment and part of the reason for that is there is no succession plan. “The top guys are getting away with making mistakes because they are not being pushed enough. “The likes of Craig Thomson, Steven McLean and John Beaton might not be refereeing so well but they don’t care because they are not going to be held to account for it. “They will stay in charge of the biggest games because there is no one good enough coming through to push them down the pecking order. “UEFA stipulates that your top guys do the top games and at the moment there’s not enough talent coming through to put these guys under threat and create competition. “That’s the fault of the system. We’re firing young guys through the ranks too quickly, while stunting the progress of other officials whose faces maybe don’t fit quite so well. “Are the SFA going too far when they’re looking to recruit referees at 17 years old into a system where if you’re not in the Premier League by the time you’re 24 and on the FIFA list by 27 you’re classified as too old? “I came into the Premier League at 32 after seven years spent cutting my teeth in the Ayrshire juniors. By then I’d learned the trade coming through the ranks and was ready to progress with the benefit of some experience and life skills. “In order to raise the standards I think you have to scrap the politics behind the scenes and promote the guys who are good enough and ready, regardless of their background. “If a guy comes through the grades showing potential then we should promote him because at the moment too many of them are being held back. “I know a referee who told me if a particular SFA observer came to watch him he knew that he wasn’t getting a high mark, no matter what happened in the game. “We need to wipe the slate clean. “There’s change coming at the top of the SFA but I think there needs to be changes across a lot of other departments - and maybe then we’ll start promoting a lot more good referees. “It’s frustrating when I think about a lot of good refs in Junior football. They are graded at Category Two level. “But because they can’t get time off their work to referee on a Thursday afternoon when reserve teams play then they are considered unreliable or unavailable, so it’s deemed that there’s no point in promoting them. “I think the authorities should be more flexible with these guys in giving them more opportunities to progress. Instead they expect everybody to take time off their work to go to Spain and run about a park for warm weather training. “In my day that was viewed as compulsory and because I couldn’t make it due to the fact I work in education, that was frowned upon. “They need to look wider to identify the best referees and promote them on merit, not based on who is pals with who. There’s too many politics behind the scenes and it’s pushing guys with natural ability to the side while others are fast-tracked. “Don’t take your pal and try to turn him into a referee, focus on the guys who are showing genuine potential. “And take issue with the top guys who are making errors that they shouldn’t be making.” Of the five red cards Thomson has flashed this season, Richmond only gives pass marks for two. They came in the game against St Johnstone in August when Motherwell skipper Carl McHugh received two yellows and keeper Trevor Carson saw red for handling the ball outside the box. A third red that night at McDiarmid Park, given to Charles Dunne for simulation, was later rescinded on appeal. Richmond added: “It would be clutching at straws to suggest that Craig Thomson has an agenda against Motherwell. That would be way out of order to question his integrity like that. “It’s just an unfortunate anomaly that some of his decisions have been incorrect and happened against the same team. “I can assure you that no referee would ever go out with an agenda against a team or a determination to wield the cards against one particular group of players. “But I feel great sympathy for Kipre because he has already suffered from the wrong decision when he was sent off in the League Cup final - and his latest red card was harsh too. “The comparison I would highlight is the incident in Friday night’s game between Hibs and St Johnstone when Blair Alston blatantly took out John McGinn. “If Alston’s was only a yellow card then surely Kipre didn’t deserve red for a far lesser offence. “Added to the fact is that Scott Brown instigated the incident by pushing him but then walks away without a caution. “If that was in a pub in a Saturday night you would react to someone shoving you in the chest like that, so you would think Brown should be penalised too. “The most likely answer to that is perhaps Craig didn’t see Brown’s reaction and has only turned round in time to see Kipre kicking out. “So maybe there’s been a lack of concentration from Craig in that respect - you don’t turn your back when two players go to ground because of the potential for conflict that situation creates.” https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/former-ref-charlie-richmond-claims-12216528
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20 Mar 2018, 09:43 AM
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An ex-referee claims the SFA's old pals act has made referee's untouchable. ‘Untouchable’ ref Craig Thomson accused of getting THREE out of five Motherwell red cards wrong by ex-whistler Charlie RichmondMotherwell chiefs tore into Craig Thomson after he controversially sent Cedric Kipre off against Celtic at Fir Park. Spoiler: click to toggle ByEuan McLean Former referee Charlie Richmond claims whistlers don’t care about making bad decisions because the SFA’s cushy old pals’ act has made them untouchable. Furious Motherwell chiefs blasted ref Craig Thomson for harshly sending off Cedric Kipre on Sunday after reacting to a shove by Celtic captain Scott Brown. That was the fifth red card that Thomson has dished out to Motherwell this season - and the second time Kipre has been send packing, having also controversially seen red against Celtic during the League Cup final. Richmond ruled out talk of Thomson having an agenda against a Well side wondering why he hasn’t red carded players from any other team all season. But Richmond insists that the whistler won’t care about the outcry because the few referees at the top are above punishment as the SFA’s failing production line ensures that there is no one good enough to come in and replace them. He said: “Of the five red cards Craig has given this season he’s got two right and three wrong. Not a good batting average. “But I don’t think he will care, he won’t bother in the slightest because there are no consequences for him. “Overall the standard of refereeing in Scotland is poor at the moment and part of the reason for that is there is no succession plan. “The top guys are getting away with making mistakes because they are not being pushed enough. “The likes of Craig Thomson, Steven McLean and John Beaton might not be refereeing so well but they don’t care because they are not going to be held to account for it. “They will stay in charge of the biggest games because there is no one good enough coming through to push them down the pecking order. “UEFA stipulates that your top guys do the top games and at the moment there’s not enough talent coming through to put these guys under threat and create competition. “That’s the fault of the system. We’re firing young guys through the ranks too quickly, while stunting the progress of other officials whose faces maybe don’t fit quite so well. “Are the SFA going too far when they’re looking to recruit referees at 17 years old into a system where if you’re not in the Premier League by the time you’re 24 and on the FIFA list by 27 you’re classified as too old? “I came into the Premier League at 32 after seven years spent cutting my teeth in the Ayrshire juniors. By then I’d learned the trade coming through the ranks and was ready to progress with the benefit of some experience and life skills. “In order to raise the standards I think you have to scrap the politics behind the scenes and promote the guys who are good enough and ready, regardless of their background. “If a guy comes through the grades showing potential then we should promote him because at the moment too many of them are being held back. “I know a referee who told me if a particular SFA observer came to watch him he knew that he wasn’t getting a high mark, no matter what happened in the game. “We need to wipe the slate clean. “There’s change coming at the top of the SFA but I think there needs to be changes across a lot of other departments - and maybe then we’ll start promoting a lot more good referees. “It’s frustrating when I think about a lot of good refs in Junior football. They are graded at Category Two level. “But because they can’t get time off their work to referee on a Thursday afternoon when reserve teams play then they are considered unreliable or unavailable, so it’s deemed that there’s no point in promoting them. “I think the authorities should be more flexible with these guys in giving them more opportunities to progress. Instead they expect everybody to take time off their work to go to Spain and run about a park for warm weather training. “In my day that was viewed as compulsory and because I couldn’t make it due to the fact I work in education, that was frowned upon. “They need to look wider to identify the best referees and promote them on merit, not based on who is pals with who. There’s too many politics behind the scenes and it’s pushing guys with natural ability to the side while others are fast-tracked. “Don’t take your pal and try to turn him into a referee, focus on the guys who are showing genuine potential. “And take issue with the top guys who are making errors that they shouldn’t be making.” Of the five red cards Thomson has flashed this season, Richmond only gives pass marks for two. They came in the game against St Johnstone in August when Motherwell skipper Carl McHugh received two yellows and keeper Trevor Carson saw red for handling the ball outside the box. A third red that night at McDiarmid Park, given to Charles Dunne for simulation, was later rescinded on appeal. Richmond added: “It would be clutching at straws to suggest that Craig Thomson has an agenda against Motherwell. That would be way out of order to question his integrity like that. “It’s just an unfortunate anomaly that some of his decisions have been incorrect and happened against the same team. “I can assure you that no referee would ever go out with an agenda against a team or a determination to wield the cards against one particular group of players. “But I feel great sympathy for Kipre because he has already suffered from the wrong decision when he was sent off in the League Cup final - and his latest red card was harsh too. “The comparison I would highlight is the incident in Friday night’s game between Hibs and St Johnstone when Blair Alston blatantly took out John McGinn. “If Alston’s was only a yellow card then surely Kipre didn’t deserve red for a far lesser offence. “Added to the fact is that Scott Brown instigated the incident by pushing him but then walks away without a caution. “If that was in a pub in a Saturday night you would react to someone shoving you in the chest like that, so you would think Brown should be penalised too. “The most likely answer to that is perhaps Craig didn’t see Brown’s reaction and has only turned round in time to see Kipre kicking out. “So maybe there’s been a lack of concentration from Craig in that respect - you don’t turn your back when two players go to ground because of the potential for conflict that situation creates.” https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/former-ref-charlie-richmond-claims-12216528 The guy is just about right - except the bit about Broony and the pub.
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20 Mar 2018, 10:08 AM
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An ex-referee claims the SFA's old pals act has made referee's untouchable. ‘Untouchable’ ref Craig Thomson accused of getting THREE out of five Motherwell red cards wrong by ex-whistler Charlie RichmondMotherwell chiefs tore into Craig Thomson after he controversially sent Cedric Kipre off against Celtic at Fir Park. Spoiler: click to toggle ByEuan McLean Former referee Charlie Richmond claims whistlers don’t care about making bad decisions because the SFA’s cushy old pals’ act has made them untouchable. Furious Motherwell chiefs blasted ref Craig Thomson for harshly sending off Cedric Kipre on Sunday after reacting to a shove by Celtic captain Scott Brown. That was the fifth red card that Thomson has dished out to Motherwell this season - and the second time Kipre has been send packing, having also controversially seen red against Celtic during the League Cup final. Richmond ruled out talk of Thomson having an agenda against a Well side wondering why he hasn’t red carded players from any other team all season. But Richmond insists that the whistler won’t care about the outcry because the few referees at the top are above punishment as the SFA’s failing production line ensures that there is no one good enough to come in and replace them. He said: “Of the five red cards Craig has given this season he’s got two right and three wrong. Not a good batting average. “But I don’t think he will care, he won’t bother in the slightest because there are no consequences for him. “Overall the standard of refereeing in Scotland is poor at the moment and part of the reason for that is there is no succession plan. “The top guys are getting away with making mistakes because they are not being pushed enough. “The likes of Craig Thomson, Steven McLean and John Beaton might not be refereeing so well but they don’t care because they are not going to be held to account for it. “They will stay in charge of the biggest games because there is no one good enough coming through to push them down the pecking order. “UEFA stipulates that your top guys do the top games and at the moment there’s not enough talent coming through to put these guys under threat and create competition. “That’s the fault of the system. We’re firing young guys through the ranks too quickly, while stunting the progress of other officials whose faces maybe don’t fit quite so well. “Are the SFA going too far when they’re looking to recruit referees at 17 years old into a system where if you’re not in the Premier League by the time you’re 24 and on the FIFA list by 27 you’re classified as too old? “I came into the Premier League at 32 after seven years spent cutting my teeth in the Ayrshire juniors. By then I’d learned the trade coming through the ranks and was ready to progress with the benefit of some experience and life skills. “In order to raise the standards I think you have to scrap the politics behind the scenes and promote the guys who are good enough and ready, regardless of their background. “If a guy comes through the grades showing potential then we should promote him because at the moment too many of them are being held back. “I know a referee who told me if a particular SFA observer came to watch him he knew that he wasn’t getting a high mark, no matter what happened in the game. “We need to wipe the slate clean. “There’s change coming at the top of the SFA but I think there needs to be changes across a lot of other departments - and maybe then we’ll start promoting a lot more good referees. “It’s frustrating when I think about a lot of good refs in Junior football. They are graded at Category Two level. “But because they can’t get time off their work to referee on a Thursday afternoon when reserve teams play then they are considered unreliable or unavailable, so it’s deemed that there’s no point in promoting them. “I think the authorities should be more flexible with these guys in giving them more opportunities to progress. Instead they expect everybody to take time off their work to go to Spain and run about a park for warm weather training. “In my day that was viewed as compulsory and because I couldn’t make it due to the fact I work in education, that was frowned upon. “They need to look wider to identify the best referees and promote them on merit, not based on who is pals with who. There’s too many politics behind the scenes and it’s pushing guys with natural ability to the side while others are fast-tracked. “Don’t take your pal and try to turn him into a referee, focus on the guys who are showing genuine potential. “And take issue with the top guys who are making errors that they shouldn’t be making.” Of the five red cards Thomson has flashed this season, Richmond only gives pass marks for two. They came in the game against St Johnstone in August when Motherwell skipper Carl McHugh received two yellows and keeper Trevor Carson saw red for handling the ball outside the box. A third red that night at McDiarmid Park, given to Charles Dunne for simulation, was later rescinded on appeal. Richmond added: “It would be clutching at straws to suggest that Craig Thomson has an agenda against Motherwell. That would be way out of order to question his integrity like that. “It’s just an unfortunate anomaly that some of his decisions have been incorrect and happened against the same team. “I can assure you that no referee would ever go out with an agenda against a team or a determination to wield the cards against one particular group of players. “But I feel great sympathy for Kipre because he has already suffered from the wrong decision when he was sent off in the League Cup final - and his latest red card was harsh too. “The comparison I would highlight is the incident in Friday night’s game between Hibs and St Johnstone when Blair Alston blatantly took out John McGinn. “If Alston’s was only a yellow card then surely Kipre didn’t deserve red for a far lesser offence. “Added to the fact is that Scott Brown instigated the incident by pushing him but then walks away without a caution. “If that was in a pub in a Saturday night you would react to someone shoving you in the chest like that, so you would think Brown should be penalised too. “The most likely answer to that is perhaps Craig didn’t see Brown’s reaction and has only turned round in time to see Kipre kicking out. “So maybe there’s been a lack of concentration from Craig in that respect - you don’t turn your back when two players go to ground because of the potential for conflict that situation creates.” https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/former-ref-charlie-richmond-claims-12216528 I'd say the howling tackle by kipre instigated the whole thing but then I'm not an embittered former ref/tadger with an agenda
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20 Mar 2018, 10:22 AM
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Charlie Richmond complaining about poor referees
And I know I'm being pedantic but the decision to send Kipre off in the final wasn't wrong or controversial, it was the decision to award the penalty that Motherwell could argue was controversial.
Once the decision was made that it was a penalty and that Kipre had prevented a goal scoring opportunity without making any attempt to play the ball then the red card was absolutely the correct decision.
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20 Mar 2018, 11:28 AM
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Charlie Richmond complaining about poor referees And I know I'm being pedantic but the decision to send Kipre off in the final wasn't wrong or controversial, it was the decision to award the penalty that Motherwell could argue was controversial. Once the decision was made that it was a penalty and that Kipre had prevented a goal scoring opportunity without making any attempt to play the ball then the red card was absolutely the correct decision. Was it Charlie Richmond that didnt notice Duberrys handball at McDiarmid Park in about 2010/11?
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Charlie Richmond complaining about poor referees And I know I'm being pedantic but the decision to send Kipre off in the final wasn't wrong or controversial, it was the decision to award the penalty that Motherwell could argue was controversial. Once the decision was made that it was a penalty and that Kipre had prevented a goal scoring opportunity without making any attempt to play the ball then the red card was absolutely the correct decision.
Was it Charlie Richmond that didnt notice Duberrys handball at McDiarmid Park in about 2010/11? Was that when he bent down and picked the ball up/pushed it away with his hands when on the deck - can't remember which one - then played on as if nothing had happened ?
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Charlie Richmond complaining about poor referees And I know I'm being pedantic but the decision to send Kipre off in the final wasn't wrong or controversial, it was the decision to award the penalty that Motherwell could argue was controversial. Once the decision was made that it was a penalty and that Kipre had prevented a goal scoring opportunity without making any attempt to play the ball then the red card was absolutely the correct decision.
Was it Charlie Richmond that didnt notice Duberrys handball at McDiarmid Park in about 2010/11?
Was that when he bent down and picked the ball up/pushed it away with his hands when on the deck - can't remember which one - then played on as if nothing had happened ? Was that not Brother Ian Brines.
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Refs don't half get it in the neck if it's advantage Celtic. You can see why they don't usually go there.
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Thought i had seen it but clip i seen was him kicking out at broony (no stamp)...looked soft red but red nonetheless..he kicked out.
I also felt Jozo should have went last week.
He was sent off for the original tackle. Not him kicking out. The game continues after the tackle. Thomson only stops it after the attempt to kick out.
McHugh should have walked yet there is nothing said. As with the Cup Final challenge on Dembele, Kipre could have gone for going over the ball on Brown.
Nobody apparently wants to hear any of this or add it into a rational discussion. Regardless, it is particularly bad for Scottish referees because it highlights when they should take action but don't. There was a similarly appalling tackle on McGinn on Friday night from Alston.
Motherwell get more red cards than the average because they consider tackles like McHugh's to be perfectly normal and acceptable parts of their approach to the game. Bowman on Tierney, Bowman on Cardoso, Kipre on Dembele. I could go on. Nobody should have any sympathy for them.
Although they were not ultimately punished for that one, you don't need to be a MENSA candidate to understand that over a period of time they are much more likely to get a higher amount of reds.
They play the game over the edge and they regularly get their comeuppance. I actually expect Aberdeen to ultimately suffer most, as they are the next team to play Motherwell in a big game. No doubt Motherwell will be able to foul with impunity as a means of being seen to even it all up, and the "family" club will be finalists again.
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Should be due a ref strike soon. 😂 Lennon, Wright and now Robinson all had wuite significant pops at them in the last month or so.
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Charlie Richmond complaining about poor referees And I know I'm being pedantic but the decision to send Kipre off in the final wasn't wrong or controversial, it was the decision to award the penalty that Motherwell could argue was controversial. Once the decision was made that it was a penalty and that Kipre had prevented a goal scoring opportunity without making any attempt to play the ball then the red card was absolutely the correct decision.
Was it Charlie Richmond that didnt notice Duberrys handball at McDiarmid Park in about 2010/11?
Was that when he bent down and picked the ball up/pushed it away with his hands when on the deck - can't remember which one - then played on as if nothing had happened ? He slid to stop the ball going out, touched it with both hands and played on
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20 Mar 2018, 02:39 PM
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Was that when he bent down and picked the ball up/pushed it away with his hands when on the deck - can't remember which one - then played on as if nothing had happened ?
He slid to stop the ball going out, touched it with both hands and played on Duberry did all of the above but he actually looked up at Richmond with a look of resignation as if to say "Oh ffs what the feck have I done" ???There was actually a pause whilst he realised he was being let away with it.
#fair and impartial neutrality.
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20 Mar 2018, 04:37 PM
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He slid to stop the ball going out, touched it with both hands and played on
Duberry did all of the above but he actually looked up at Richmond with a look of resignation as if to say "Oh ffs what the feck have I done" ???There was actually a pause whilst he realised he was being let away with it. #fair and impartial neutrality. It was a "kicking Bishop Brennan up the arse moment" i think the ref just thought there was no way it happened and he must have just imagined it.
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20 Mar 2018, 05:59 PM
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who was the ref that Naka lost the head with coz he had been booted all over the pitch then the ref blew for a fowl against him think he started pointing all over the pitch trying to explain in Japanese to a Scottish ref what a carrot he was
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20 Mar 2018, 06:05 PM
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He slid to stop the ball going out, touched it with both hands and played on
Duberry did all of the above but he actually looked up at Richmond with a look of resignation as if to say "Oh ffs what the feck have I done" ???There was actually a pause whilst he realised he was being let away with it. #fair and impartial neutrality. Aye happened right in front of me lol think he thought ref gave a foul against Samaras and he just controlled it with his hand. Brines looking right at him.
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Can anyone explain why, at one point on Sunday, Thomson wouldn't allow us to take a quick FK in our own box to get the ball moving again. Repeatedly he blew for us to move the ball back 5 yards or so.
I understand there's a need to stick to the letter of the law to a degree, but the placement of the ball there had little bearing on the game in terms of a goal being scored or the like. We see this every week, referees choosing specific moments to apply their authority and then literally seconds later ignoring the exact same offence - a throw-in or FK taken 10 yards further up the pitch.
The inconsistency is effing infuriating.
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21 Mar 2018, 11:08 AM
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Can anyone explain why, at one point on Sunday, Thomson wouldn't allow us to take a quick FK in our own box to get the ball moving again. Repeatedly he blew for us to move the ball back 5 yards or so.
I understand there's a need to stick to the letter of the law to a degree, but the placement of the ball there had little bearing on the game in terms of a goal being scored or the like. We see this every week, referees choosing specific moments to apply their authority and then literally seconds later ignoring the exact same offence - a throw-in or FK taken 10 yards further up the pitch.
The inconsistency is effing infuriating. Not sure, maybe was because the ball hadn't travelled outside the box?
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21 Mar 2018, 11:12 AM
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Can anyone explain why, at one point on Sunday, Thomson wouldn't allow us to take a quick FK in our own box to get the ball moving again. Repeatedly he blew for us to move the ball back 5 yards or so.
I understand there's a need to stick to the letter of the law to a degree, but the placement of the ball there had little bearing on the game in terms of a goal being scored or the like. We see this every week, referees choosing specific moments to apply their authority and then literally seconds later ignoring the exact same offence - a throw-in or FK taken 10 yards further up the pitch.
The inconsistency is effing infuriating. He might have seen Bain passing to Boyata and was trying to do us a favour.
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21 Mar 2018, 11:15 AM
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Can anyone explain why, at one point on Sunday, Thomson wouldn't allow us to take a quick FK in our own box to get the ball moving again. Repeatedly he blew for us to move the ball back 5 yards or so.
I understand there's a need to stick to the letter of the law to a degree, but the placement of the ball there had little bearing on the game in terms of a goal being scored or the like. We see this every week, referees choosing specific moments to apply their authority and then literally seconds later ignoring the exact same offence - a throw-in or FK taken 10 yards further up the pitch.
The inconsistency is effing infuriating. Pure guesswork, but from memory I remember us taking a FK from inside our box and the player it was passed to was still in the box too - which isnt allowed. Similar to a by kick, if a free kick is within your own area the ball must be recieved outside the area. So I thought at the time that, that was the reason the FK was asked to be taken again - and not that it was from the wrong position.
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