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Ref Watch 2017/18; A fraternity of dunces
Topic Started: 5 Aug 2017, 03:56 PM (201,359 Views)
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It’s probably been mentioned but the decision to allow play on after Bates twice grabbed Forrest’s shirt at the first goal was a joke. Ntcham was being penalised for being a better footballer and Declan John should have had at least a yellow card.

I won’t even start on that wee bastard running the line.
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13 Mar 2018, 01:52 AM
Funniest thing about Collum is how he acts hard when interacting with players and telling them to beat it. He's a weasel.
Used to train at the same gym as him. He's a wee effing weirdo who hardly spoke to or acknowledged any carrot including the gym staff.
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I think he did play advantage. There's an angle that shoes him kinda starting towards where the tackle is, then changes direction towards the rangers box when he sees dembele is through and raises arms. Only decent decision from him the whole game. Candies was booked too.
He definitely plays advantage. It was a good decision overall, and he handled it well. He actually almost does a comical mike dean like run away from the incident as if he is celebrating, when he goes to rush to book Candeias.

I've said it already on here, his refereeing performance yesterday was the worst I've seen. He could have easily booked three or four of their players in the first half. He consistently neglects booking people early doors as he doesn't want that pressure. He is a cowardly ref.
He’s sent off more players than any other referee in the league. Think we can all agree that Collum is hopeless but he’s not afraid to make decisions. If anything, he’s too eager to make game-changing decisions like issuing red cards when less fussy referees might decide to err on the side of caution. His attitude stinks. He looks like he genuinely hates players, treating them like something he’s scraped off his shoes.
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13 Mar 2018, 03:24 AM
Would you see an outspoken campaigner for Catalan Independence running the line in El Classico?

:lol:
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12 Mar 2018, 12:28 PM
Immediately after the Declan John two footed lunge at Tommy Rogic, KT gets scythed and has a wee snipe at Gollum for allowing the agricultural crap to carry on.

Collum took no time in telling him that he was refereeing the game. No attempt made to pull up John for what would be a straight red in any other league, but tell him to tighten up on poor challenges and he’s down on you like a ton of bricks.

Madden is actually fairer than this little rat.
Yip, noticed that.

He must have been bullied at school with the way he relishes the control and anyone who dares to question it gets his daft look as if you should scared :ffs:
Go along with what others are saying, i genuinely look at these incidents and try to be impartial (after the game of course) and see if i can see why contentious decisions were/weren't given, but on Sunday there were just so many, its gt to be cheating. I also consider whether refs try to 'even up' games when one team are more dominant, however, i cant remember this happening during the 90's etc etc

I wonder what impartial observers looking in think of it. It must be quite embarrassing tbh
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For those people saying by the letter of the law Jozo could well have deserved the red. Fine but as this is is Scotland we know that consistency won't be applied. remember this one and no sending off ?

Stockley on Tierney

You could also add Ryan Bowman's challenge on Cardoso in the league cup semi final as another blatant elbow (far more serious than Simunovic's challenge) that went unpunished.

We play Motherwell on Sunday. As well as the aforesaid Bowman, we also have Cedric Kipre who I suspect is only a matter of time before he seriously injures someone with his "mistimed tackles". Referees let this lot away with murder. Be interesting if the letter of the law is applied this weekend.
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Corky Buczek
13 Mar 2018, 11:06 AM
For those people saying by the letter of the law Jozo could well have deserved the red. Fine but as this is is Scotland we know that consistency won't be applied. remember this one and no sending off ?

Stockley on Tierney

You could also add Ryan Bowman's challenge on Cardoso in the league cup semi final as another blatant elbow (far more serious than Simunovic's challenge) that went unpunished.

We play Motherwell on Sunday. As well as the aforesaid Bowman, we also have Cedric Kipre who I suspect is only a matter of time before he seriously injures someone with his "mistimed tackles". Referees let this lot away with murder. Be interesting if the letter of the law is applied this weekend.
The letter of the law in this country seems to depend on what side of the bed the ref has got out of and whether his toast was burnt or not. The inconsistency is astonishing.
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Funny how “letter of the law” becomes the benchmark for Scottish referees when it’s against us and in a potentially crucial game (anyone else ever get a second yellow for waving an imaginary card? Or a second yellow for celebrating a last minute winner with their own fans?)

Rest of the time it’s all “judgement” and “letting the game flow”. And overlooking 2-footed lunges on our guys.
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13 Mar 2018, 03:24 AM
It's actually mental that a sitting MP with political leanings which very obviously don't match up to the support and history of one of the clubs is allowed to have game changing decision making ability in a game featuring that club against the team in 2nd place.

Would you see an outspoken campaigner for Catalan Independence running the line in El Classico?

At the risk of playing up to the stereotype that surely isn't above board...?
Mate, we've tories on our board.

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13 Mar 2018, 11:10 AM
Funny how “letter of the law” becomes the benchmark for Scottish referees when it’s against us and in a potentially crucial game (anyone else ever get a second yellow for waving an imaginary card? Or a second yellow for celebrating a last minute winner with their own fans?)

Rest of the time it’s all “judgement” and “letting the game flow”. And overlooking 2-footed lunges on our guys.
Indeed.

How John left the park without at least a booking is beyond me.

Not mentioned by the media but we should have had a penalty too.
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It's actually mental that a sitting MP with political leanings which very obviously don't match up to the support and history of one of the clubs is allowed to have game changing decision making ability in a game featuring that club against the team in 2nd place.

Would you see an outspoken campaigner for Catalan Independence running the line in El Classico?

At the risk of playing up to the stereotype that surely isn't above board...?
Mate, we've tories on our board.

See when they can influence the outcome of a game to go in favour of the opppsing team, you can use that argument.

Until then it’s irrelevant. I dare say there are some people in our support who are also opposed to Independence.
Edited by 15not25, 13 Mar 2018, 11:38 AM.
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Corky Buczek
13 Mar 2018, 11:06 AM
For those people saying by the letter of the law Jozo could well have deserved the red. Fine but as this is is Scotland we know that consistency won't be applied. remember this one and no sending off ?

Stockley on Tierney

You could also add Ryan Bowman's challenge on Cardoso in the league cup semi final as another blatant elbow (far more serious than Simunovic's challenge) that went unpunished.

We play Motherwell on Sunday. As well as the aforesaid Bowman, we also have Cedric Kipre who I suspect is only a matter of time before he seriously injures someone with his "mistimed tackles". Referees let this lot away with murder. Be interesting if the letter of the law is applied this weekend.
Doesn't the letter of the law include intent? Stockley would argue his was accidental while our Tory MP would say that Jozo was trying to malky Morelos.

To change the subject, with Brown's assist to Moussa, I thought he was being quite clever... Lean a little into losing your balance, play the pass and invite some contact. By then any contact will send you fleeing and make it look like more of a foul than it was. If that was a hun player making the clearance I'd be arguing it wasn't a foul at all.
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13 Mar 2018, 11:42 AM
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13 Mar 2018, 11:06 AM
For those people saying by the letter of the law Jozo could well have deserved the red. Fine but as this is is Scotland we know that consistency won't be applied. remember this one and no sending off ?

Stockley on Tierney

You could also add Ryan Bowman's challenge on Cardoso in the league cup semi final as another blatant elbow (far more serious than Simunovic's challenge) that went unpunished.

We play Motherwell on Sunday. As well as the aforesaid Bowman, we also have Cedric Kipre who I suspect is only a matter of time before he seriously injures someone with his "mistimed tackles". Referees let this lot away with murder. Be interesting if the letter of the law is applied this weekend.
Doesn't the letter of the law include intent? Stockley would argue his was accidental while our Tory MP would say that Jozo was trying to malky Morelos.

To change the subject, with Brown's assist to Moussa, I thought he was being quite clever... Lean a little into losing your balance, play the pass and invite some contact. By then any contact will send you fleeing and make it look like more of a foul than it was. If that was a hun player making the clearance I'd be arguing it wasn't a foul at all.
I'm not sure that intention matters. Recklessness can still get you a red card I suspect. Those connected with Celtic certainly didn't think it was accidental. BR was still unhappy about it 6 months after it happened apparently.

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Stockley may well have claimed that was accidental but most pundits that I saw and read felt otherwise. And Bowman's was a red card in any other country. As I said Stevie, if you're going to give Jozo a red for what he did on Saturday, OK. But apply it consistently if you take the "Letter of Law" stance.
Edited by Corky Buczek, 13 Mar 2018, 12:18 PM.
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13 Mar 2018, 11:42 AM
Corky Buczek
13 Mar 2018, 11:06 AM
For those people saying by the letter of the law Jozo could well have deserved the red. Fine but as this is is Scotland we know that consistency won't be applied. remember this one and no sending off ?

Stockley on Tierney

You could also add Ryan Bowman's challenge on Cardoso in the league cup semi final as another blatant elbow (far more serious than Simunovic's challenge) that went unpunished.

We play Motherwell on Sunday. As well as the aforesaid Bowman, we also have Cedric Kipre who I suspect is only a matter of time before he seriously injures someone with his "mistimed tackles". Referees let this lot away with murder. Be interesting if the letter of the law is applied this weekend.
Doesn't the letter of the law include intent? Stockley would argue his was accidental while our Tory MP would say that Jozo was trying to malky Morelos.

To change the subject, with Brown's assist to Moussa, I thought he was being quite clever... Lean a little into losing your balance, play the pass and invite some contact. By then any contact will send you fleeing and make it look like more of a foul than it was. If that was a hun player making the clearance I'd be arguing it wasn't a foul at all.
It was a clear foul. Canedias wanted to do Brown. He was trying to provoke a reaction all game.
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Corky Buczek
13 Mar 2018, 11:06 AM
For those people saying by the letter of the law Jozo could well have deserved the red. Fine but as this is is Scotland we know that consistency won't be applied. remember this one and no sending off ?

Stockley on Tierney

You could also add Ryan Bowman's challenge on Cardoso in the league cup semi final as another blatant elbow (far more serious than Simunovic's challenge) that went unpunished.

We play Motherwell on Sunday. As well as the aforesaid Bowman, we also have Cedric Kipre who I suspect is only a matter of time before he seriously injures someone with his "mistimed tackles". Referees let this lot away with murder. Be interesting if the letter of the law is applied this weekend.
I was going to ask who the ref is for Sunday, but it doesn’t really matter as we will get ride all protection anyway
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13 Mar 2018, 12:07 PM
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13 Mar 2018, 11:42 AM
Corky Buczek
13 Mar 2018, 11:06 AM
For those people saying by the letter of the law Jozo could well have deserved the red. Fine but as this is is Scotland we know that consistency won't be applied. remember this one and no sending off ?

Stockley on Tierney

You could also add Ryan Bowman's challenge on Cardoso in the league cup semi final as another blatant elbow (far more serious than Simunovic's challenge) that went unpunished.

We play Motherwell on Sunday. As well as the aforesaid Bowman, we also have Cedric Kipre who I suspect is only a matter of time before he seriously injures someone with his "mistimed tackles". Referees let this lot away with murder. Be interesting if the letter of the law is applied this weekend.
Doesn't the letter of the law include intent? Stockley would argue his was accidental while our Tory MP would say that Jozo was trying to malky Morelos.

To change the subject, with Brown's assist to Moussa, I thought he was being quite clever... Lean a little into losing your balance, play the pass and invite some contact. By then any contact will send you fleeing and make it look like more of a foul than it was. If that was a hun player making the clearance I'd be arguing it wasn't a foul at all.
It was a clear foul. Canedias wanted to do Brown. He was trying to provoke a reaction all game.
Broony was a model of professionalism in the way he didn’t respond. :thumbsup:
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13 Mar 2018, 12:07 PM
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13 Mar 2018, 11:42 AM
Corky Buczek
13 Mar 2018, 11:06 AM
For those people saying by the letter of the law Jozo could well have deserved the red. Fine but as this is is Scotland we know that consistency won't be applied. remember this one and no sending off ?

Stockley on Tierney

You could also add Ryan Bowman's challenge on Cardoso in the league cup semi final as another blatant elbow (far more serious than Simunovic's challenge) that went unpunished.

We play Motherwell on Sunday. As well as the aforesaid Bowman, we also have Cedric Kipre who I suspect is only a matter of time before he seriously injures someone with his "mistimed tackles". Referees let this lot away with murder. Be interesting if the letter of the law is applied this weekend.
Doesn't the letter of the law include intent? Stockley would argue his was accidental while our Tory MP would say that Jozo was trying to malky Morelos.

To change the subject, with Brown's assist to Moussa, I thought he was being quite clever... Lean a little into losing your balance, play the pass and invite some contact. By then any contact will send you fleeing and make it look like more of a foul than it was. If that was a hun player making the clearance I'd be arguing it wasn't a foul at all.
It was a clear foul. Canedias wanted to do Brown. He was trying to provoke a reaction all game.
Of course it was a foul. Another hun done the same thing to brown about a minute before it.
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13 Mar 2018, 11:33 AM
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It's actually mental that a sitting MP with political leanings which very obviously don't match up to the support and history of one of the clubs is allowed to have game changing decision making ability in a game featuring that club against the team in 2nd place.

Would you see an outspoken campaigner for Catalan Independence running the line in El Classico?

At the risk of playing up to the stereotype that surely isn't above board...?
Mate, we've tories on our board.

See when they can influence the outcome of a game to go in favour of the opppsing team, you can use that argument.

Until then it’s irrelevant. I dare say there are some people in our support who are also opposed to Independence.
There will be lots in our support who don’t support independence - some will be old and read the Scottish Daily Mail and believe what the BBC says

Lots of them might even have voted to leave Europe - some will be sexist pigs and some will homophobic and racist

Some will vote some won’t care

But just cause the guy is a Tory and unionist MP doesn’t mean he can’t be a linesman - or that his values are out of step with every single Celtic fan and if they are, he can’t work at our games? Are we only asking for left wing vaguely catholic officials or atheist who are not political or atheists for independence only?

That’s nuts

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12 Mar 2018, 03:57 PM
Collum had a great game. Consistent throughout, he awarded a foul every time there was an aerial challenge. Free kick went to the attacker every time at our end and the defender every time at their end. So there you have it; 50% to the attacking team, 50% to the defending team. Can't get fairer than that.
:lol:

he was in full on panic mode after we scored to go 3-2 up

and was even more ludicrous than his heard a penalty mode

but this is the time for celtic to put in complaint when we have won
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13 Mar 2018, 11:51 AM
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Corky Buczek
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For those people saying by the letter of the law Jozo could well have deserved the red. Fine but as this is is Scotland we know that consistency won't be applied. remember this one and no sending off ?

Stockley on Tierney

You could also add Ryan Bowman's challenge on Cardoso in the league cup semi final as another blatant elbow (far more serious than Simunovic's challenge) that went unpunished.

We play Motherwell on Sunday. As well as the aforesaid Bowman, we also have Cedric Kipre who I suspect is only a matter of time before he seriously injures someone with his "mistimed tackles". Referees let this lot away with murder. Be interesting if the letter of the law is applied this weekend.
Doesn't the letter of the law include intent? Stockley would argue his was accidental while our Tory MP would say that Jozo was trying to malky Morelos.

To change the subject, with Brown's assist to Moussa, I thought he was being quite clever... Lean a little into losing your balance, play the pass and invite some contact. By then any contact will send you fleeing and make it look like more of a foul than it was. If that was a hun player making the clearance I'd be arguing it wasn't a foul at all.
I'm not sure that intention matters. Recklessness can still get you a red card I suspect. Those connected with Celtic certainly didn't think it was accidental. BR was still unhappy about it 6 months after it happened apparently.

Rodgers on Stockley

Stockley may well have claimed that was accidental but most pundits that I saw and read felt otherwise. And Bowman's was a red card in any other country. As I said Stevie, if you're going to give Jozo a red for what he did on Saturday, OK. But apply it consistently if you take the "Letter of Law" stance.
Your examples don't prove inconsistency. The ref in the Stockley incident could've believed it was accidental and not dangerous play, while with Jozo they probably thought that he was being snide and trying to plant one on Morelos.

Bowman's on the hun was a belter right enough, I'll give you that one :lol:
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