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Ref Watch 2017/18; A fraternity of dunces
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Topic Started: 5 Aug 2017, 03:56 PM (201,375 Views)
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26 Feb 2018, 12:41 PM
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its the referees duty to stop play if he believes the player is seriously injured. Not the club doctors duty to stop the game. The fact Ajer continued suggests he wasn't seriously injured. Its funny that people in here cant debate, instead they come out with classic lines such as 'your at it'. brilliant
Your argument is that a guy going down with a bleeding skull after a clash of heads was correctly not deemed to be potentially serious by Madden. How can I debate against that. tbf ajer is coveirng his head so im not sure madden can see that.
the paranoia from some in here is frightening.
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26 Feb 2018, 12:42 PM
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That's for a medically trained club doctor to decide, not Bobby Madden. You're at it.
its the referees duty to stop play if he believes the player is seriously injured. Not the club doctors duty to stop the game. The fact Ajer continued suggests he wasn't seriously injured. Its funny that people in here cant debate, instead they come out with classic lines such as 'your at it'. brilliant Unless Bobby Madden had some future vision goggles, he wasn't to know that Ajer would play on.
He was quite evidently injured in a severe clash of heads. Madden didn't even look at him as he swerved past him on his way to allow an Aberdeen attack to continue, so I'm not sure how he could assess the extent of the injury.
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26 Feb 2018, 12:43 PM
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Your argument is that a guy going down with a bleeding skull after a clash of heads was correctly not deemed to be potentially serious by Madden. How can I debate against that.
tbf ajer is coveirng his head so im not sure madden can see that. the paranoia from some in here is frightening. Look up. You'll see I have a clear position on perceived ref bias.
So you're saying that the ref doesn't know if it's serious or not, but the player is lying down holding his face after a head knock, and the correct decision was to go "he's probably alright". Pish.
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26 Feb 2018, 12:44 PM
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When he was getting pelters yesterday and the "we know you're a hun" was in full flow, he turned round to our section and gestured in what I can only describe as a ridiculous display of saunchness. Done something with his hands too. Probably masonic. Pathetic.
Cheating carrot knew what he what he was doing. Ajer was on the deck and clearly bleeding. He seen it clearly. Only caught the end of his gesture. Not sure what it was. Embarassing.
If Lenny had done that at Ibrox...
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26 Feb 2018, 12:46 PM
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That's for a medically trained club doctor to decide, not Bobby Madden. You're at it.
its the referees duty to stop play if he believes the player is seriously injured. Not the club doctors duty to stop the game. The fact Ajer continued suggests he wasn't seriously injured. Its funny that people in here cant debate, instead they come out with classic lines such as 'your at it'. brilliant Ajer was pole axed ffs I wouldn’t like to see how badly a Celtic player needs to be injured before madden the Hun deems it serious. If you think that’s acceptable from a referee then you are most definitely at it
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26 Feb 2018, 12:46 PM
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tbf ajer is coveirng his head so im not sure madden can see that. the paranoia from some in here is frightening.
Look up. You'll see I have a clear position on perceived ref bias. So you're saying that the ref doesn't know if it's serious or not, but the player is lying down holding his face after a head knock, and the correct decision was to go "he's probably alright". Pish. Your not understanding the point.
The ref needs to make a judgement call. If the ball goe sinto the middle of the park he stops the game. To stop a clear 3v1 attack for a team that done nothing wrong in the injury when hes not sure the players seriously injured would have been silly. He lets play go on, the attack finishes quickly and he gets the player seen to.
If aberdeen passed the ball back rather than going forward when in the box the ref would hopefully have at that point stopped play due to the injury.
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26 Feb 2018, 12:48 PM
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I think in this case Madden makes the right call.
2 Celtic players wipe each other out. Ajer goes down but is moving, Possible also making noise that Madden can here. Aberdeen are through and have a dangerous attack that is likely to be over within a few seconds. He allows the game to flow then straight away turns back to Ajer and signals for treatment.
Edit to say we got something like this in our favour as well in the champions league qualifiers, the 5 nil game.
This is a wind up, right? Edit: Ajer is moving and making noises so we'll leave him be until Aberdeen finish attacking..
was he seriously injured? I'd call a clash of heads like that fairly serious, and I'd wager that if it was a player from each side on the deck he'd have blown his whistle too.
Edit: Regarding your post above mine, the severity of a players injury is not based on whether Aberdeen are attacking or not.
Edited by Rosco67, 26 Feb 2018, 12:48 PM.
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26 Feb 2018, 12:49 PM
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Look up. You'll see I have a clear position on perceived ref bias. So you're saying that the ref doesn't know if it's serious or not, but the player is lying down holding his face after a head knock, and the correct decision was to go "he's probably alright". Pish.
Your not understanding the point. The ref needs to make a judgement call. If the ball goe sinto the middle of the park he stops the game. To stop a clear 3v1 attack for a team that done nothing wrong in the injury when hes not sure the players seriously injured would have been silly. He lets play go on, the attack finishes quickly and he gets the player seen to. If aberdeen passed the ball back rather than going forward when in the box the ref would hopefully have at that point stopped play due to the injury. I'm afraid you are the one here not understanding. There is little to suggest that the injury is not serious. It's a clash of heads that has knocked him down and was enough to draw blood. Whatever Madden can or cannot see the correct assumption is that is could be a serious one. Where the ball is, where it is going, and who has it has absolutely no bearing on that law of the game. The match gets stopped and a medical team get on to see to him. That's the law of the game.
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26 Feb 2018, 12:50 PM
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nope your not correct. Rules dictate it should be stopped for a serious injury. The referee is in control and will decide if its serious or not.
How does he know it's serious? He ran by him. The point that Ajer was 'moving' is ridiculous. He rolled over when he hit the deck and then lay static. I saw a carrot that had just been stabbed once. He was moving like eff anaw.......he lived though, so likely wasn't that serious. Probably shouldn't have bothered phoning that ambulance or at least finished ma pint first.
I totally disagree with your take on this Celtic mad, but fair play. Madden should have stopped play, he clearly considered it and knows this. If Aberdeen weren't through on goal, he would have.
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26 Feb 2018, 12:53 PM
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Your not understanding the point. The ref needs to make a judgement call. If the ball goe sinto the middle of the park he stops the game. To stop a clear 3v1 attack for a team that done nothing wrong in the injury when hes not sure the players seriously injured would have been silly. He lets play go on, the attack finishes quickly and he gets the player seen to. If aberdeen passed the ball back rather than going forward when in the box the ref would hopefully have at that point stopped play due to the injury.
I'm afraid you are the one here not understanding. There is little to suggest that the injury is not serious. It's a clash of heads that has knocked him down and was enough to draw blood. Whatever Madden can or cannot see the correct assumption is that is could be a serious one. Where the ball is, where it is going, and who has it has absolutely no bearing on that law of the game. The match gets stopped and a medical team get on to see to him. That's the law of the game. If its a serious injury. The player wouldn't be playing again in space of 4 minutes if it was a serious injury
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26 Feb 2018, 12:54 PM
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I'm afraid you are the one here not understanding. There is little to suggest that the injury is not serious. It's a clash of heads that has knocked him down and was enough to draw blood. Whatever Madden can or cannot see the correct assumption is that is could be a serious one. Where the ball is, where it is going, and who has it has absolutely no bearing on that law of the game. The match gets stopped and a medical team get on to see to him. That's the law of the game.
If its a serious injury. The player wouldn't be playing again in space of 4 minutes if it was a serious injury For the love of...Ok back round we go...
The ref didn't know if it was serious or not.
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26 Feb 2018, 12:55 PM
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The ref should stop play for a head injury. End of story.
If Ajer had been unconscious and had problems as a result of a delay in getting medical help, Madden would have been in serious bother.
While the laws of the game state simply that the ref has to stop the match if a player is seriously injured in his opinion, concussion is specifically listed in the FIFA guidelines as a serious injury.
Celtic should be complaining about this one, he's put a player at quite significant risk.
Stopping play for a more minor injury does bring into question whether a team would be disadvantaged, but that's a different situation.
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26 Feb 2018, 12:58 PM
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The ref should stop play for a head injury. End of story.
If Ajer had been unconscious and had problems as a result of a delay in getting medical help, Madden would have been in serious bother.
While the laws of the game state simply that the ref has to stop the match if a player is seriously injured in his opinion, concussion is specifically listed in the FIFA guidelines as a serious injury.
Celtic should be complaining about this one, he's put a player at quite significant risk.
Stopping play for a more minor injury does bring into question whether a team would be disadvantaged, but that's a different situation. Where does it say the ref should stop play for a head injury?
have you read the laws of the game?
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26 Feb 2018, 12:59 PM
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The ref should stop play for a head injury. End of story.
If Ajer had been unconscious and had problems as a result of a delay in getting medical help, Madden would have been in serious bother.
While the laws of the game state simply that the ref has to stop the match if a player is seriously injured in his opinion, concussion is specifically listed in the FIFA guidelines as a serious injury.
Celtic should be complaining about this one, he's put a player at quite significant risk.
Stopping play for a more minor injury does bring into question whether a team would be disadvantaged, but that's a different situation. for a 10 second delay? Doubt it.
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26 Feb 2018, 12:59 PM
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I'm afraid you are the one here not understanding. There is little to suggest that the injury is not serious. It's a clash of heads that has knocked him down and was enough to draw blood. Whatever Madden can or cannot see the correct assumption is that is could be a serious one. Where the ball is, where it is going, and who has it has absolutely no bearing on that law of the game. The match gets stopped and a medical team get on to see to him. That's the law of the game.
If its a serious injury. The player wouldn't be playing again in space of 4 minutes if it was a serious injury Mate, players have got up and played through worse than what Ajer got. Doesn't mean it isn't/wasn't serious. If Madden will allow it, you need your head checked.
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26 Feb 2018, 01:01 PM
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Whatever it is, there's not enough of it
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The ref should stop play for a head injury. End of story.
If Ajer had been unconscious and had problems as a result of a delay in getting medical help, Madden would have been in serious bother.
While the laws of the game state simply that the ref has to stop the match if a player is seriously injured in his opinion, concussion is specifically listed in the FIFA guidelines as a serious injury.
Celtic should be complaining about this one, he's put a player at quite significant risk.
Stopping play for a more minor injury does bring into question whether a team would be disadvantaged, but that's a different situation.
for a 10 second delay? Doubt it. He doesn't know it'll be 10 seconds. If he makes a decision not to stop the game then it could be three minutes.
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26 Feb 2018, 01:02 PM
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The ref should stop play for a head injury. End of story.
If Ajer had been unconscious and had problems as a result of a delay in getting medical help, Madden would have been in serious bother.
While the laws of the game state simply that the ref has to stop the match if a player is seriously injured in his opinion, concussion is specifically listed in the FIFA guidelines as a serious injury.
Celtic should be complaining about this one, he's put a player at quite significant risk.
Stopping play for a more minor injury does bring into question whether a team would be disadvantaged, but that's a different situation.
Where does it say the ref should stop play for an injury? have you read the laws of the game? • stops play if a player is seriously injured and ensures that the player is removed from the field of play
Have you?
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26 Feb 2018, 01:02 PM
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The ref should stop play for a head injury. End of story.<br /><br />If Ajer had been unconscious and had problems as a result of a delay in getting medical help, Madden would have been in serious bother.<br /><br />While the laws of the game state simply that the ref has to stop the match if a player is seriously injured in his opinion, concussion is specifically listed in the FIFA guidelines as a serious injury.<br /><br />Celtic should be complaining about this one, he's put a player at quite significant risk.<br /><br />Stopping play for a more minor injury does bring into question whether a team would be disadvantaged, but that's a different situation.
for a 10 second delay? Doubt it. Aye. What does he know about head injuries?
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26 Feb 2018, 01:03 PM
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The ref should stop play for a head injury. End of story.
If Ajer had been unconscious and had problems as a result of a delay in getting medical help, Madden would have been in serious bother.
While the laws of the game state simply that the ref has to stop the match if a player is seriously injured in his opinion, concussion is specifically listed in the FIFA guidelines as a serious injury.
Celtic should be complaining about this one, he's put a player at quite significant risk.
Stopping play for a more minor injury does bring into question whether a team would be disadvantaged, but that's a different situation.
for a 10 second delay? Doubt it.
He doesn't know it'll be 10 seconds. If he makes a decision not to stop the game then it could be three minutes. The referee can stop play at any point for an injury. If he allowed it to go on but the attack stalls and the players still down he can stop play. He doesnt need to wait for the ball to go out of play.
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Player takes a bang to the head the game stops. The rules don't say "except when the player is laid out on the deck trying to hold his head together". He's a ref not a doctor. Baldie headed weapon.
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