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Ref Watch 2017/18; A fraternity of dunces
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Topic Started: 5 Aug 2017, 03:56 PM (201,376 Views)
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26 Feb 2018, 11:45 AM
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I think in this case Madden makes the right call.
2 Celtic players wipe each other out. Ajer goes down but is moving, Possible also making noise that Madden can here. Aberdeen are through and have a dangerous attack that is likely to be over within a few seconds. He allows the game to flow then straight away turns back to Ajer and signals for treatment.
Edit to say we got something like this in our favour as well in the champions league qualifiers, the 5 nil game.
You are just guessing how long the Aberdeen attack was going to last. The ball could have stayed in play for much longer and thereby exacerbating any injury. Irrespective of what happened against Astana, the correct protocol is to stop the game when someone has suffered a head injury. Madden failed to do that.
there is no such rule in the laws of the game for a head injury. its a myth that the pundits tell you. if a serious injury takes place then play should be stopped. In this case Ajer managed to play on so it wasnt a serious injury. Due to the nature of head injuries, and the publicity around sporting concussions, games are usually stopped as they’re almost always classed as severe until a trained medical professional says otherwise. Ajers injury was serious enough that it drew blood. The rules of the game dictate that the ref should have stopped the game there and then.
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26 Feb 2018, 11:49 AM
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When he was getting pelters yesterday and the "we know you're a hun" was in full flow, he turned round to our section and gestured in what I can only describe as a ridiculous display of saunchness. Done something with his hands too. Probably masonic. Pathetic.
Cheating carrot knew what he what he was doing. Ajer was on the deck and clearly bleeding. He seen it clearly.
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26 Feb 2018, 11:51 AM
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The head knock to ajer is terrible refereeing - he’s there - right next to it and he lets play continue
Shocking stuff
Could be wrong buy it looked like he motioned as if he was about to blow then saw the move progressing positively for Aberdeen and played on. He's a disgrace imho. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XkPanLePFU&feature=youtu.beVideo of match in link above. Clash happens at 58.34 in the game. You can see Madden raise is right arm and then not blow this whistle Just watched it aye he definitely does. Even walker says it's a serious one.
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26 Feb 2018, 11:51 AM
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there is no such rule in the laws of the game for a head injury. its a myth that the pundits tell you. if a serious injury takes place then play should be stopped. In this case Ajer managed to play on so it wasnt a serious injury.
Due to the nature of head injuries, and the publicity around sporting concussions, games are usually stopped as they’re almost always classed as severe until a trained medical professional says otherwise. Ajers injury was serious enough that it drew blood. The rules of the game dictate that the ref should have stopped the game there and then. Correct. There's nothing in the laws about head injuries specifically but if a player goes down with a head knock like Ajer did then the ref needs to err on the side of caution. He certainly did when mcLean fell over for the 780th time.
As I have said many times before i do not believe that Madden or any other ref is consciously engaged in a campaign of anti Celtic bias. I do believe however that for some reason refs in Scotland take it upon themselves to even games up between footballing teams (usually us) and non footballing teams. We have better players and more money, therefore Aberdeen, St J, Thistle etc get away with more fouls in some attempt to make it a contest. Why referees take it upon themselves to do this probably says more about the egotistical mindset of the carrots than anything else.
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Peco
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26 Feb 2018, 11:53 AM
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I think in this case Madden makes the right call.
2 Celtic players wipe each other out. Ajer goes down but is moving, Possible also making noise that Madden can here. Aberdeen are through and have a dangerous attack that is likely to be over within a few seconds. He allows the game to flow then straight away turns back to Ajer and signals for treatment.
Edit to say we got something like this in our favour as well in the champions league qualifiers, the 5 nil game.
You are just guessing how long the Aberdeen attack was going to last. The ball could have stayed in play for much longer and thereby exacerbating any injury. Irrespective of what happened against Astana, the correct protocol is to stop the game when someone has suffered a head injury. Madden failed to do that.
there is no such rule in the laws of the game for a head injury. its a myth that the pundits tell you. if a serious injury takes place then play should be stopped. In this case Ajer managed to play on so it wasnt a serious injury. I didn't use the word rules, you did. I used the word protocol. It is at the discretion of the referee and this case Madden called it incorrectly.
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26 Feb 2018, 11:57 AM
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I think in this case Madden makes the right call.
2 Celtic players wipe each other out. Ajer goes down but is moving, Possible also making noise that Madden can here. Aberdeen are through and have a dangerous attack that is likely to be over within a few seconds. He allows the game to flow then straight away turns back to Ajer and signals for treatment.
Edit to say we got something like this in our favour as well in the champions league qualifiers, the 5 nil game.
You are just guessing how long the Aberdeen attack was going to last. The ball could have stayed in play for much longer and thereby exacerbating any injury. Irrespective of what happened against Astana, the correct protocol is to stop the game when someone has suffered a head injury. Madden failed to do that. I'm afraid CelticMad that Peco is spot on here.
Madden would not have had any idea how long the Aberdeen play would last, none.
It's a split-second decision and the referee must err on the side of caution, not on the side of guessing.
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26 Feb 2018, 12:02 PM
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I think in this case Madden makes the right call.
2 Celtic players wipe each other out. Ajer goes down but is moving, Possible also making noise that Madden can here. Aberdeen are through and have a dangerous attack that is likely to be over within a few seconds. He allows the game to flow then straight away turns back to Ajer and signals for treatment.
Edit to say we got something like this in our favour as well in the champions league qualifiers, the 5 nil game.
You are just guessing how long the Aberdeen attack was going to last. The ball could have stayed in play for much longer and thereby exacerbating any injury. Irrespective of what happened against Astana, the correct protocol is to stop the game when someone has suffered a head injury. Madden failed to do that.
I'm afraid CelticMad that Peco is spot on here. Madden would not have had any idea how long the Aberdeen play would last, none. It's a split-second decision and the referee must err on the side of caution, not on the side of guessing. If it was the other way round he wouldn't be slow blowing and stopping us.
Fwiw, he blew sharply when McLean took a very minor heed knock from a long ball in injury time.
Aberdeen are awful to watch, particularly v us. Like a cross between 90s Norway and Wimbledon with a slight sprinkling of Jackie Charltons Ireland team towards the end.
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26 Feb 2018, 12:02 PM
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there is no such rule in the laws of the game for a head injury. its a myth that the pundits tell you. if a serious injury takes place then play should be stopped. In this case Ajer managed to play on so it wasnt a serious injury.
Due to the nature of head injuries, and the publicity around sporting concussions, games are usually stopped as they’re almost always classed as severe until a trained medical professional says otherwise. Ajers injury was serious enough that it drew blood. The rules of the game dictate that the ref should have stopped the game there and then. nope your not correct.
Rules dictate it should be stopped for a serious injury. The referee is in control and will decide if its serious or not.
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26 Feb 2018, 12:02 PM
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Due to the nature of head injuries, and the publicity around sporting concussions, games are usually stopped as they’re almost always classed as severe until a trained medical professional says otherwise. Ajers injury was serious enough that it drew blood. The rules of the game dictate that the ref should have stopped the game there and then.
Correct. There's nothing in the laws about head injuries specifically but if a player goes down with a head knock like Ajer did then the ref needs to err on the side of caution. He certainly did when mcLean fell over for the 780th time. As I have said many times before i do not believe that Madden or any other ref is consciously engaged in a campaign of anti Celtic bias. I do believe however that for some reason refs in Scotland take it upon themselves to even games up between footballing teams (usually us) and non footballing teams. We have better players and more money, therefore Aberdeen, St J, Thistle etc get away with more fouls in some attempt to make it a contest. Why referees take it upon themselves to do this probably says more about the egotistical mindset of the carrots than anything else. There’s definitely an if in doubt give it against Celtic rule because they’ll probably win anyway.
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CelticMad123
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26 Feb 2018, 12:03 PM
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there is no such rule in the laws of the game for a head injury. its a myth that the pundits tell you. if a serious injury takes place then play should be stopped. In this case Ajer managed to play on so it wasnt a serious injury.
I didn't use the word rules, you did. I used the word protocol. It is at the discretion of the referee and this case Madden called it incorrectly. disagree.
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26 Feb 2018, 12:05 PM
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When he was getting pelters yesterday and the "we know you're a hun" was in full flow, he turned round to our section and gestured in what I can only describe as a ridiculous display of saunchness. Done something with his hands too. Probably masonic. Pathetic.
Cheating carrot knew what he what he was doing. Ajer was on the deck and clearly bleeding. He seen it clearly. Pathetic if true, any clips?
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26 Feb 2018, 12:05 PM
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Two players with head knocks, one of whom is flat out and bleeding, looks serious enough to me tbh.
Edited by Dempele, 26 Feb 2018, 12:06 PM.
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26 Feb 2018, 12:10 PM
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Due to the nature of head injuries, and the publicity around sporting concussions, games are usually stopped as they’re almost always classed as severe until a trained medical professional says otherwise. Ajers injury was serious enough that it drew blood. The rules of the game dictate that the ref should have stopped the game there and then.
nope your not correct. Rules dictate it should be stopped for a serious injury. The referee is in control and will decide if its serious or not. It also says any player bleeding must be removed from the field of play. He should have stopped for that on top of the head injury.
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nope your not correct. Rules dictate it should be stopped for a serious injury. The referee is in control and will decide if its serious or not.
It also says any player bleeding must be removed from the field of play. He should have stopped for that on top of the head injury. It does, However that can be applied at the next stop in play.
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26 Feb 2018, 12:15 PM
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I think in this case Madden makes the right call.
2 Celtic players wipe each other out. Ajer goes down but is moving, Possible also making noise that Madden can here. Aberdeen are through and have a dangerous attack that is likely to be over within a few seconds. He allows the game to flow then straight away turns back to Ajer and signals for treatment.
Edit to say we got something like this in our favour as well in the champions league qualifiers, the 5 nil game. This is a wind up, right?
Edit: Ajer is moving and making noises so we'll leave him be until Aberdeen finish attacking..
Edited by Rosco67, 26 Feb 2018, 12:16 PM.
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I think in this case Madden makes the right call.
2 Celtic players wipe each other out. Ajer goes down but is moving, Possible also making noise that Madden can here. Aberdeen are through and have a dangerous attack that is likely to be over within a few seconds. He allows the game to flow then straight away turns back to Ajer and signals for treatment.
Edit to say we got something like this in our favour as well in the champions league qualifiers, the 5 nil game.
This is a wind up, right? Edit: Ajer is moving and making noises so we'll leave him be until Aberdeen finish attacking.. was he seriously injured?
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26 Feb 2018, 12:29 PM
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I think in this case Madden makes the right call.
2 Celtic players wipe each other out. Ajer goes down but is moving, Possible also making noise that Madden can here. Aberdeen are through and have a dangerous attack that is likely to be over within a few seconds. He allows the game to flow then straight away turns back to Ajer and signals for treatment.
Edit to say we got something like this in our favour as well in the champions league qualifiers, the 5 nil game.
This is a wind up, right? Edit: Ajer is moving and making noises so we'll leave him be until Aberdeen finish attacking..
was he seriously injured? That's for a medically trained club doctor to decide, not Bobby Madden. You're at it.
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26 Feb 2018, 12:32 PM
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was he seriously injured?
That's for a medically trained club doctor to decide, not Bobby Madden. You're at it. its the referees duty to stop play if he believes the player is seriously injured. Not the club doctors duty to stop the game.
The fact Ajer continued suggests he wasn't seriously injured. Its funny that people in here cant debate, instead they come out with classic lines such as 'your at it'. brilliant
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26 Feb 2018, 12:39 PM
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That's for a medically trained club doctor to decide, not Bobby Madden. You're at it.
its the referees duty to stop play if he believes the player is seriously injured. Not the club doctors duty to stop the game. The fact Ajer continued suggests he wasn't seriously injured. Its funny that people in here cant debate, instead they come out with classic lines such as 'your at it'. brilliant Your argument is that a guy going down with a bleeding skull after a clash of heads was correctly not deemed to be potentially serious by Madden. How can I debate against that.
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26 Feb 2018, 12:39 PM
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Due to the nature of head injuries, and the publicity around sporting concussions, games are usually stopped as they’re almost always classed as severe until a trained medical professional says otherwise. Ajers injury was serious enough that it drew blood. The rules of the game dictate that the ref should have stopped the game there and then.
nope your not correct. Rules dictate it should be stopped for a serious injury. The referee is in control and will decide if its serious or not. How does he know it's serious? He ran by him.
The point that Ajer was 'moving' is ridiculous. He rolled over when he hit the deck and then lay static.
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