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Ref Watch 2017/18; A fraternity of dunces
Topic Started: 5 Aug 2017, 03:56 PM (201,389 Views)
timbojon
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12 Feb 2018, 01:29 PM
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12 Feb 2018, 01:26 PM
IainG
12 Feb 2018, 01:18 PM
Scottish referees are bad alright but watching some English games recently some of the English refs are equally as poor. I'm in the minority here but I don't think there is a great refereeing conspiracy afoot to do down Celtic at every opportunity.
Yeah? An analysis of the number of fouls to bookings for Celtic players as opposed to their opponents might prove instructive. There's a PhD there for someone going back to 2000. Just a suggestion.
Agreed, and you could start with Broonie's booking agaisnt Killie, compared to what was allowed after than. And that's just the most recent example.
Aye , but remember he needed that booking you know nudge nudge :twitch:
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12 Feb 2018, 02:15 PM
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12 Feb 2018, 02:11 PM
Apparently some hun ran into the fans yesterday to celebrate his goal. Is that, or is that not a bookable offence? I really don't know, but if it is, surely tae feck there can be no ambiguity about the course of action a ref must take: if it's a rule then the player must be booked. No excuses, no exceptions. It's not an action that can be misconstrued or 'open to interpretation' as a challenge or a handball claim can be, it's open and shut. Celtic players are routinely booked for this, huns are not. Even if it's not an automatic bookable offence, would it be so difficult to challenge the inconsistency?
To be fair to Cummings I don't think he ran into the crowd. It was when the rest of the players crowded round him that their momentum carried him into the crowd. Whether that constitutes a booking or not I don't know but you can be sure if it happened to one of our players he would have been in the book.
Hesselink at Ross County :angry:
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12 Feb 2018, 03:54 PM
The only problem with fouls to bookings ratios is how many of the fouls were for offences like offside which don't involve violence against an opponent.
That’s a very relevant point which has been completely overlooked on here and it doesn’t half skew the statistics.
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Commons no get a red at tyners for going into crowd, partly through momentum. Day Lennon got attacked a hink.
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12 Feb 2018, 05:23 PM
Commons no get a red at tyners for going into crowd, partly through momentum. Day Lennon got attacked a hink.
Down to Opus Dei (the poster not the organisation) who beckoned him in to the crowd.

Btw - there is no such place as tyners.

A yellow card offence.
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paulfg42
12 Feb 2018, 03:54 PM
The only problem with fouls to bookings ratios is how many of the fouls were for offences like offside which don't involve violence against an opponent.
That’s a very relevant point which has been completely overlooked on here and it doesn’t half skew the statistics.
It skews them in our favour though. Because we're much more likely to be penalised for being offside than the opponent. So a higher number of our fouls can be chalked down to offside. It enforces the point people are making.
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12 Feb 2018, 05:13 PM
paulfg42
12 Feb 2018, 03:54 PM
The only problem with fouls to bookings ratios is how many of the fouls were for offences like offside which don't involve violence against an opponent.
That’s a very relevant point which has been completely overlooked on here and it doesn’t half skew the statistics.
It skews them in our favour though. Because we're much more likely to be penalised for being offside than the opponent. So a higher number of our fouls can be chalked down to offside. It enforces the point people are making.
Yet our two bookings against Hearts, Brown and Ajer, were both shocking tackles which merited yellow cards. That skews it the way you want it to read.
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aldo
12 Feb 2018, 02:11 PM
Apparently some hun ran into the fans yesterday to celebrate his goal. Is that, or is that not a bookable offence? I really don't know, but if it is, surely tae feck there can be no ambiguity about the course of action a ref must take: if it's a rule then the player must be booked. No excuses, no exceptions. It's not an action that can be misconstrued or 'open to interpretation' as a challenge or a handball claim can be, it's open and shut. Celtic players are routinely booked for this, huns are not. Even if it's not an automatic bookable offence, would it be so difficult to challenge the inconsistency?
To be fair to Cummings I don't think he ran into the crowd. It was when the rest of the players crowded round him that their momentum carried him into the crowd. Whether that constitutes a booking or not I don't know but you can be sure if it happened to one of our players he would have been in the book.
Hesselink at Ross County :angry:
I rest my case. Our players get booked when others are allowed to get away with it. It's a stupid rule anyway and how it got incorporated into our game I'll never know. Doesn't seem to be a problem anywhere else in the world.
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It skews them in our favour though. Because we're much more likely to be penalised for being offside than the opponent. So a higher number of our fouls can be chalked down to offside. It enforces the point people are making.
Yet our two bookings against Hearts, Brown and Ajer, were both shocking tackles which merited yellow cards. That skews it the way you want it to read.
It does. It's not a perfect analysis of every foul it's just a broad look at how many fouls results in yellow cards in our games, compared to the next team.
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Yet our two bookings against Hearts, Brown and Ajer, were both shocking tackles which merited yellow cards. That skews it the way you want it to read.
It does. It's not a perfect analysis of every foul it's just a broad look at how many fouls results in yellow cards in our games, compared to the next team.
The ref was fecking abysmal that night but I just don't get the fouls per booking stat. Some deserve yellows; loads don't. Smart teams share the fouls around. Unfortunately, Celtic don't.
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It does. It's not a perfect analysis of every foul it's just a broad look at how many fouls results in yellow cards in our games, compared to the next team.
The ref was fecking abysmal that night but I just don't get the fouls per booking stat. Some deserve yellows; loads don't. Smart teams share the fouls around. Unfortunately, Celtic don't.
That's precisely what they do against us. (Share them).
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aldo
12 Feb 2018, 02:11 PM
Apparently some hun ran into the fans yesterday to celebrate his goal. Is that, or is that not a bookable offence? I really don't know, but if it is, surely tae feck there can be no ambiguity about the course of action a ref must take: if it's a rule then the player must be booked. No excuses, no exceptions. It's not an action that can be misconstrued or 'open to interpretation' as a challenge or a handball claim can be, it's open and shut. Celtic players are routinely booked for this, huns are not. Even if it's not an automatic bookable offence, would it be so difficult to challenge the inconsistency?
Laugherty did the same at the weekend and wasn't booked.

My opinion is that it's a pretty stupid rule and that is also pretty difficult to be consistent about it. The distance behind the goals at CP is pretty big and to get to the fans you have to jump a few hurdles to get there. At other grounds you might take three steps and be grabbed by the crowd - not exactly the same in terms of "over-reaction", particularly if it's Broony nipping a last minute winner at Tynecastle and shutting Levine up.

No idea why it's an issue anyway - can't be crowd safety - we've come a long way from seeing the Red-Cross stretcher folk out the Celtic end or Jungle after a goal has been scored.

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It does. It's not a perfect analysis of every foul it's just a broad look at how many fouls results in yellow cards in our games, compared to the next team.
The ref was fecking abysmal that night but I just don't get the fouls per booking stat. Some deserve yellows; loads don't. Smart teams share the fouls around. Unfortunately, Celtic don't.
Agreed, though Laughertys booking against us last mid-week looked to be as much down to him being the next player getting it after umpteen fouls up until then.
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Strange how European refs see fouls against us that other refs seem blind to
It's a phenomenon right enough
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Getting beyond a joke again.
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Can we start actually standing up for ourselves on and off the pitch? The refereeing in this country is pre-historic and patting ourselves down and getting on with it will never change it.
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It's no coincidence that the horrendous refereeing coincides with non-televised games.
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Today was a disgrace

Let st J ruin the game too often

Let them away with murder and watched them take our players clean out when they got them turned

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