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Ref Watch 2017/18; A fraternity of dunces
Topic Started: 5 Aug 2017, 03:56 PM (201,427 Views)
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Mubo Loravcik
11 Aug 2017, 10:08 PM
Andrew Dallas, lot of potential this kid.
for some reason this thread is not getting alot of love tonight :lol:

i am sure there will be a load of people saying never a pen and a few saying it was a pen

for me nir definitely caught the back of his leg - yes from there the thistle player done a dive that could have made the medals at the olympics

if it was the other end i would have been screaming for a pen

but at the end of the day whatever you think pen or not there was more than an ample opportunity for Dallas Jnr to give it




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Mubo Loravcik
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Andrew Dallas, lot of potential this kid.
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Will be interesting to see how Sportscene deals with the refereeing at Ibrokes. New territory for them.
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Or so I heard
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Just saw Jack's sending off and it is a clear red card. Not sure what the huns are moaning about.
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The Bitton one was a clear penalty.

On the hun's game yesterday Stokes could have been given a red and it would have been harsh, Jack was given a red and it was harsh.

Very amusing.
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Got to say that this weekend it might just have started to even itself out :lol:

For me it was a definate penalty and as a lot of people have suggested only wasn't given because Storey's embellished dive must have put some doubt in Dallas's mind.

Still I thought Brown had a good goal chopped off when the was adjudged to have handled it before his thunderbolt into the net in the second half. However maybe the keeper had heard the whistle and may have saved it - who knows.

In terms of the hun game, dare I say it I thought generally they got a bit of a rough deal from the ref (but only a bit). We're not talking McCurry Ibrox v Dundee Utd or countless games when we went to Ibrox when Smith was in charge.
I would compare it with many games at Celtic Park when we've had to overcome a ref who had decided beforehand that he wasn't going to be intimidated by the home crowd. This scenario's not that all that unusual to us and the majority of times Celtic teams and the support have learned to use this to our advantage to secure the win or at minimum a draw. The stark contrast was the huns just folded.

In terms of actual decisions at the time I expected Stokes to go for his tussle with Tavernier which ended up with a ripped shirt for Tavernier (cheap SD merchandise) . Not that it should've been a red just that it would've been an easy decision to make for the ref in front of the hysterical Ibrox stands and there wouldn't be many difficult questions about it asides from NL but thats to be expected so no big deal.

The Jack red card I didn’t see much in it although haven't studied all the replays. Again the least path of resistance from Beaton would've been yellows all round or a red for either side. Stokes was involved and he was already on a yellow so that would've been an easy call to make - not necessarily the right one, but an an easy one.

Was fully expecting Beaton to even things up in the second half and McGeogh (who was booked in the first half skirmish) gave him an ideal opportunity midway through the second half when he fouled in the middle of the park. I was expecting a soft second yellow but nothing came.

I've got to say it was strange watching as the decisions I've seen go in favour of them and against us over the years simply just didn’t happen this weekend for whatever reason. In particular I expect Dallas will feel he owes us one.

I'm also thinking that it was Beaton who had a shocker with the Huns v Hamilton in the cup so yesterday may have been his response statement to the flak he took for that terrible performance.

Edited by cautious dave, 13 Aug 2017, 09:37 AM.
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I've only seen the highlights on my phone so cannot be definitive, but my impression is that Beaton went out of his way not to be seen to be cowed by the situation. As Cautious Dave says, he could have taken several easier options.

Maybe he's still embarrassed that he didn't have the strength to send Foderingham off when he clearly handled the ball outside the box in the first few minutes against Hamilton in the cup last season. Whatever the reason, he did his job yesterday. :)
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cautious dave
13 Aug 2017, 09:30 AM
Got to say that this weekend it might just have started to even itself out :lol:

For me it was a definate penalty and as a lot of people have suggested only wasn't given because Storey's embellished dive must have put some doubt in Dallas's mind.

Still I thought Brown had a good goal chopped off when the was adjudged to have handled it before his thunderbolt into the net in the second half. However maybe the keeper had heard the whistle and may have saved it - who knows.

In terms of the hun game, dare I say it I thought generally they got a bit of a rough deal from the ref (but only a bit). We're not talking McCurry Ibrox v Dundee Utd or countless games when we went to Ibrox when Smith was in charge.
I would compare it with many games at Celtic Park when we've had to overcome a ref who had decided beforehand that he wasn't going to be intimidated by the home crowd. This scenario's not that all that unusual to us and the majority of times Celtic teams and the support have learned to use this to our advantage to secure the win or at minimum a draw. The stark contrast was the huns just folded.

In terms of actual decisions at the time I expected Stokes to go for his tussle with Tavernier which ended up with a ripped shirt for Tavernier (cheap SD merchandise) . Not that it should've been a red just that it would've been an easy decision to make for the ref in front of the hysterical Ibrox stands and there wouldn't be many difficult questions about it asides from NL but thats to be expected so no big deal.

The Jack red card I didn’t see much in it although haven't studied all the replays. Again the least path of resistance from Beaton would've been yellows all round or a red for either side. Stokes was involved and he was already on a yellow so that would've been an easy call to make - not necessarily the right one, but an an easy one.

Was fully expecting Beaton to even things up in the second half and McGeogh (who was booked in the first half skirmish) gave him an ideal opportunity midway through the second half when he fouled in the middle of the park. I was expecting a soft second yellow but nothing came.

I've got to say it was strange watching as the decisions I've seen go in favour of them and against us over the years simply just didn’t happen this weekend for whatever reason. In particular I expect Dallas will feel he owes us one.

I'm also thinking that it was Beaton who had a shocker with the Huns v Hamilton in the cup so yesterday may have been his response statement to the flak he took for that terrible performance.

it's early in the season so there's plenty of time for it to even itself out.

anyway it's been a few years since we got a positive decision as a result of a mistake when guidetti slipped and we got a pen.
so they need something more recent they can use as an example of a decision going our way.

i agree though it was strange to watch it and see them not getting all or even one game changing decision when there was
ample oppurtunity to give them one. and then get one given against them.
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Bobby Peru
13 Aug 2017, 08:23 AM
The Bitton one was a clear penalty.

On the hun's game yesterday Stokes could have been given a red and it would have been harsh, Jack was given a red and it was harsh.

Very amusing.
The camera from the Copland Road end would suggest that Jack fully deserved his red card. He clearly puts his head in towards Stokes, as the ref is right next to him. The view from the main stand does not show this and initially I thought it was a very harsh decision.

Bitton's one was a definite penalty.

Regardless, it's effing brilliant.
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Broadsword
13 Aug 2017, 10:13 AM
Bobby Peru
13 Aug 2017, 08:23 AM
The Bitton one was a clear penalty.

On the hun's game yesterday Stokes could have been given a red and it would have been harsh, Jack was given a red and it was harsh.

Very amusing.
The camera from the Copland Road end would suggest that Jack fully deserved his red card. He clearly puts his head in towards Stokes, as the ref is right next to him. The view from the main stand does not show this and initially I thought it was a very harsh decision.

Bitton's one was a definite penalty.

Regardless, it's effing brilliant.
Aye. Hadn't seen that angle earlier. Still not in the 'clear red' category but not as bad a decision as it first appeared.

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cautious dave
13 Aug 2017, 09:30 AM
Got to say that this weekend it might just have started to even itself out :lol:

For me it was a definate penalty and as a lot of people have suggested only wasn't given because Storey's embellished dive must have put some doubt in Dallas's mind.

Still I thought Brown had a good goal chopped off when the was adjudged to have handled it before his thunderbolt into the net in the second half. However maybe the keeper had heard the whistle and may have saved it - who knows.

In terms of the hun game, dare I say it I thought generally they got a bit of a rough deal from the ref (but only a bit). We're not talking McCurry Ibrox v Dundee Utd or countless games when we went to Ibrox when Smith was in charge.
I would compare it with many games at Celtic Park when we've had to overcome a ref who had decided beforehand that he wasn't going to be intimidated by the home crowd. This scenario's not that all that unusual to us and the majority of times Celtic teams and the support have learned to use this to our advantage to secure the win or at minimum a draw. The stark contrast was the huns just folded.

In terms of actual decisions at the time I expected Stokes to go for his tussle with Tavernier which ended up with a ripped shirt for Tavernier (cheap SD merchandise) . Not that it should've been a red just that it would've been an easy decision to make for the ref in front of the hysterical Ibrox stands and there wouldn't be many difficult questions about it asides from NL but thats to be expected so no big deal.

The Jack red card I didn’t see much in it although haven't studied all the replays. Again the least path of resistance from Beaton would've been yellows all round or a red for either side. Stokes was involved and he was already on a yellow so that would've been an easy call to make - not necessarily the right one, but an an easy one.

Was fully expecting Beaton to even things up in the second half and McGeogh (who was booked in the first half skirmish) gave him an ideal opportunity midway through the second half when he fouled in the middle of the park. I was expecting a soft second yellow but nothing came.

I've got to say it was strange watching as the decisions I've seen go in favour of them and against us over the years simply just didn’t happen this weekend for whatever reason. In particular I expect Dallas will feel he owes us one.

I'm also thinking that it was Beaton who had a shocker with the Huns v Hamilton in the cup so yesterday may have been his response statement to the flak he took for that terrible performance.

Jack's was a red card.
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Jack's was a definite red. The Bitton penalty incident was giveable. That's why Celtic can't risk being only 1-0 up in this league. We got lucky once. It won't happen again.
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13 Aug 2017, 11:17 AM
Jack's was a definite red. The Bitton penalty incident was giveable. That's why Celtic can't risk being only 1-0 up in this league. We got lucky once. It won't happen again.
I think we won quite a few games by one goal last year. So I'm sure it will happen again.
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Do you think the Bitton incident will be debated to death and/or analysed in the same way our "dubious" decisions are in the SMSM ;) . I will never have an ounce of sympathy for any decisions, no matter how dodgy or glaringly wrong they may be, after the years of dodgy decisions we have had against us throughout the years :nono:
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13 Aug 2017, 11:33 AM
LondonThomas
13 Aug 2017, 11:17 AM
Jack's was a definite red. The Bitton penalty incident was giveable. That's why Celtic can't risk being only 1-0 up in this league. We got lucky once. It won't happen again.
I think we won quite a few games by one goal last year. So I'm sure it will happen again.
We only need to look at the ross county game to see what happens when you are only one goal up with a few mins to go or even the sevco game at CP or ICT in Inverness. 3 games we shouldn't have been worrying about late equalisers.
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The thistle player dived and that's why It wasn't given.
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To paraphrase one of our fellow posters: when Scottish refs seem to be playing fair, they're just being effing sneaky :suspect:
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13 Aug 2017, 12:45 PM
The thistle player dived and that's why It wasn't given.
It was a ridiculous dive but still a definite penalty. I wonder if the theatrical's blinded Dallas to the actual foul.
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13 Aug 2017, 12:49 PM
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13 Aug 2017, 12:45 PM
The thistle player dived and that's why It wasn't given.
It was a ridiculous dive but still a definite penalty. I wonder if the theatrical's blinded Dallas to the actual foul.
I think it must have. I've seen our players booked for diving even after there is contact - and the media saying its the right call.
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