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Nakamura
Topic Started: 24 Jun 2017, 07:49 PM (16,494 Views)
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27 Jun 2017, 05:56 PM
No Celtic fan can ever remember anything Nakamura did against Oldco at Ibrox because he was anonymous every time we played there - in stark contrast to true greats who excelled in that atmosphere and often produced their biggest performances there. Great free kick taker but couldn't be trusted to take big games by the scruff of the neck.
Strachan had a real problem with putting out lightweight teams at Ibrox. Eventually he worked it out, but the Huns of that period were hammer throwers and got away with some dreadful stuff. The Mike McCurry game was a special highlight in that.

It took Scott Brown a long time to settle in at Celtic and Naka was a bit of a victim of that. It also didn't help that Strachan really couldn't get central midfield to work properly.
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I think he was a good player used wrongly. Had a habit of going missing in some games but in a fair few CL games he was the one player we had who could retain possession when others were hoofing it aimlessly.
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27 Jun 2017, 05:56 PM
No Celtic fan can ever remember anything Nakamura did against Oldco at Ibrox because he was anonymous every time we played there - in stark contrast to true greats who excelled in that atmosphere and often produced their biggest performances there. Great free kick taker but couldn't be trusted to take big games by the scruff of the neck.
He scored a free kick against them at Ibrox? :ponder:

Difficult to 'blame' him for not taking games by the scruff of the neck, when your qualities are based on possession and passing.

Ffs, Paul Telfer was about the only player who bust a gut to make runs/space for Naka.

Stick Xavi in that team and he'd look half pish as well.

Btw, our team has had many greats who haven't done much at Ibrox. :thumbsup:
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27 Jun 2017, 08:35 PM
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27 Jun 2017, 05:56 PM
No Celtic fan can ever remember anything Nakamura did against Oldco at Ibrox because he was anonymous every time we played there - in stark contrast to true greats who excelled in that atmosphere and often produced their biggest performances there. Great free kick taker but couldn't be trusted to take big games by the scruff of the neck.
He scored a free kick against them at Ibrox? :ponder:

Did he ?

Only free kick he scored against them was the injury time consolation when we got beat 4-2 at home.
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27 Jun 2017, 08:35 PM
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27 Jun 2017, 05:56 PM
No Celtic fan can ever remember anything Nakamura did against Oldco at Ibrox because he was anonymous every time we played there - in stark contrast to true greats who excelled in that atmosphere and often produced their biggest performances there. Great free kick taker but couldn't be trusted to take big games by the scruff of the neck.
He scored a free kick against them at Ibrox? :ponder:

Difficult to 'blame' him for not taking games by the scruff of the neck, when your qualities are based on possession and passing.

Ffs, Paul Telfer was about the only player who bust a gut to make runs/space for Naka.

Stick Xavi in that team and he'd look half pish as well.

Btw, our team has had many greats who haven't done much at Ibrox. :thumbsup:
Did he? I don't remember that at all.

Why do you think that a player whose game is based on possession and passing can't take control of a game? Did Pirlo not control games?
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27 Jun 2017, 08:35 PM
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27 Jun 2017, 05:56 PM
No Celtic fan can ever remember anything Nakamura did against Oldco at Ibrox because he was anonymous every time we played there - in stark contrast to true greats who excelled in that atmosphere and often produced their biggest performances there. Great free kick taker but couldn't be trusted to take big games by the scruff of the neck.
He scored a free kick against them at Ibrox? :ponder:

Difficult to 'blame' him for not taking games by the scruff of the neck, when your qualities are based on possession and passing.

Ffs, Paul Telfer was about the only player who bust a gut to make runs/space for Naka.

Stick Xavi in that team and he'd look half pish as well.

Btw, our team has had many greats who haven't done much at Ibrox. :thumbsup:
Nakamura never scored at Ibrox, free kick or otherwise.
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27 Jun 2017, 08:35 PM
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27 Jun 2017, 05:56 PM
No Celtic fan can ever remember anything Nakamura did against Oldco at Ibrox because he was anonymous every time we played there - in stark contrast to true greats who excelled in that atmosphere and often produced their biggest performances there. Great free kick taker but couldn't be trusted to take big games by the scruff of the neck.
He scored a free kick against them at Ibrox? :ponder:

Difficult to 'blame' him for not taking games by the scruff of the neck, when your qualities are based on possession and passing.

Ffs, Paul Telfer was about the only player who bust a gut to make runs/space for Naka.

Stick Xavi in that team and he'd look half pish as well.

Btw, our team has had many greats who haven't done much at Ibrox. :thumbsup:
He never scored at Ibrox.

Which Celtic greats haven't done much at Ibrox?
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Oh I got Ibrox wrong, wasn't sure as it was a dead rubber goal.
And for Bobby define 'great' ;)
Btw I've never defined Naka as a Celtic 'great'.
A fantastic player, who would have excelled in a team that wasn't so utterly mediocre but not quite a great. :thumbsup:

ps. Samaras and Graveson were excellent at Ibrox. The measure of any player is NOT how they performed at Ibrox.
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I always thought leonard Cohen's song halleluiah would have been great with the words nakamura,nakamura,
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27 Jun 2017, 09:08 PM
Oh I got Ibrox wrong, wasn't sure as it was a dead rubber goal.
And for Bobby define 'great' ;)
Btw I've never defined Naka as a Celtic 'great'.
A fantastic player, who would have excelled in a team that wasn't so utterly mediocre but not quite a great. :thumbsup:

ps. Samaras and Graveson were excellent at Ibrox. The measure of any player is NOT how they performed at Ibrox.
Cool.

So which Celtic greats have never done much at ibrox ?
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27 Jun 2017, 09:08 PM
Oh I got Ibrox wrong, wasn't sure as it was a dead rubber goal.
And for Bobby define 'great' ;)
Btw I've never defined Naka as a Celtic 'great'.
A fantastic player, who would have excelled in a team that wasn't so utterly mediocre but not quite a great. :thumbsup:

ps. Samaras and Graveson were excellent at Ibrox. The measure of any player is NOT how they performed at Ibrox.
Hi Donald,

Notwithstanding that you put a word in all capital letters, meaning that the point you're making absolutely must be true, do you not think that performance in games against the huns - and therefore games at Ibrox - is one measure to use to decide whether a player is Celtic great or not?
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27 Jun 2017, 08:35 PM
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27 Jun 2017, 05:56 PM
No Celtic fan can ever remember anything Nakamura did against Oldco at Ibrox because he was anonymous every time we played there - in stark contrast to true greats who excelled in that atmosphere and often produced their biggest performances there. Great free kick taker but couldn't be trusted to take big games by the scruff of the neck.
He scored a free kick against them at Ibrox? :ponder:

Difficult to 'blame' him for not taking games by the scruff of the neck, when your qualities are based on possession and passing.

Ffs, Paul Telfer was about the only player who bust a gut to make runs/space for Naka.

Stick Xavi in that team and he'd look half pish as well.

Btw, our team has had many greats who haven't done much at Ibrox. :thumbsup:
Possession and passing are absolutely qualities that help top players take games by the scruff of the neck. All I know is that down the years there are some players I definitely wanted in the side when we went to Ibrox and faced that poisonous atmosphere. There are some players I definitely didn't want in the side. Nakamura was in the latter category.
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Oh I got Ibrox wrong, wasn't sure as it was a dead rubber goal.
And for Bobby define 'great' ;)
Btw I've never defined Naka as a Celtic 'great'.
A fantastic player, who would have excelled in a team that wasn't so utterly mediocre but not quite a great. :thumbsup:

ps. Samaras and Graveson were excellent at Ibrox. The measure of any player is NOT how they performed at Ibrox.
Hi Donald,

Notwithstanding that you put a word in all capital letters, meaning that the point you're making absolutely must be true, do you not think that performance in games against the huns - and therefore games at Ibrox - is one measure to use to decide whether a player is Celtic great or not?
No, goals scored at Ibrox are NOT (I've done it again) :( the yardstick to measure a player.

You do realise that since 1990 (outwith a few under O'Neil and last season with Brendan) we've had I think about 5 wins at that hole.
In that time some very good players have faced them and we've failed to get a victory.

So somehow attributing the teams failures to one man and on the flipside believing a good performance at Ibrox maketh the man is bizarre.

Besides, I'd say two world class goals against one of Europe's finest is a better barometer than a couple against those tramps. :thumbsup:
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28 Jun 2017, 12:15 AM
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27 Jun 2017, 09:35 PM
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27 Jun 2017, 09:08 PM
Oh I got Ibrox wrong, wasn't sure as it was a dead rubber goal.
And for Bobby define 'great' ;)
Btw I've never defined Naka as a Celtic 'great'.
A fantastic player, who would have excelled in a team that wasn't so utterly mediocre but not quite a great. :thumbsup:

ps. Samaras and Graveson were excellent at Ibrox. The measure of any player is NOT how they performed at Ibrox.
Hi Donald,

Notwithstanding that you put a word in all capital letters, meaning that the point you're making absolutely must be true, do you not think that performance in games against the huns - and therefore games at Ibrox - is one measure to use to decide whether a player is Celtic great or not?
No, goals scored at Ibrox are NOT (I've done it again) :( the yardstick to measure a player.

You do realise that since 1990 (outwith a few under O'Neil and last season with Brendan) we've had I think about 5 wins at that hole.
In that time some very good players have faced them and we've failed to get a victory.

So somehow attributing the teams failures to one man and on the flipside believing a good performance at Ibrox maketh the man is bizarre.

Besides, I'd say two world class goals against one of Europe's finest is a better barometer than a couple against those tramps. :thumbsup:
No one is suggesting performances at Ibrox is the only barometer of being a great player. But given the two-horse nature of Scottish football down the years, having players who can't handle facing them away from home is a major disadvantage. The likes of Larsson and Moravcik excelled at Ibrox and seemed to grow in stature when faced with the pressure of playing there. Nakamura wilted and often found himself subbed after contributing nothing. They weren't even a good side at the time.
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28 Jun 2017, 12:15 AM
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nakasboots
27 Jun 2017, 09:08 PM
Oh I got Ibrox wrong, wasn't sure as it was a dead rubber goal.
And for Bobby define 'great' ;)
Btw I've never defined Naka as a Celtic 'great'.
A fantastic player, who would have excelled in a team that wasn't so utterly mediocre but not quite a great. :thumbsup:

ps. Samaras and Graveson were excellent at Ibrox. The measure of any player is NOT how they performed at Ibrox.
Hi Donald,

Notwithstanding that you put a word in all capital letters, meaning that the point you're making absolutely must be true, do you not think that performance in games against the huns - and therefore games at Ibrox - is one measure to use to decide whether a player is Celtic great or not?
No, goals scored at Ibrox are NOT (I've done it again) :( the yardstick to measure a player.

You do realise that since 1990 (outwith a few under O'Neil and last season with Brendan) we've had I think about 5 wins at that hole.
In that time some very good players have faced them and we've failed to get a victory.

So somehow attributing the teams failures to one man and on the flipside believing a good performance at Ibrox maketh the man is bizarre.

Besides, I'd say two world class goals against one of Europe's finest is a better barometer than a couple against those tramps. :thumbsup:
Which Celtic greats have never done much at Ibrox ?
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No, goals scored at Ibrox are NOT (I've done it again) :( the yardstick to measure a player.

You do realise that since 1990 (outwith a few under O'Neil and last season with Brendan) we've had I think about 5 wins at that hole.
In that time some very good players have faced them and we've failed to get a victory.

So somehow attributing the teams failures to one man and on the flipside believing a good performance at Ibrox maketh the man is bizarre.

Besides, I'd say two world class goals against one of Europe's finest is a better barometer than a couple against those tramps. :thumbsup:
No one is suggesting performances at Ibrox is the only barometer of being a great player. But given the two-horse nature of Scottish football down the years, having players who can't handle facing them away from home is a major disadvantage. The likes of Larsson and Moravcik excelled at Ibrox and seemed to grow in stature when faced with the pressure of playing there. Nakamura wilted and often found himself subbed after contributing nothing. They weren't even a good side at the time.
Performing at Ibrox isn't the barometer for what makes a Celtic great. However, I'd be hard-pushed to name a Celtic great who hasn't performed at Ibrox.

Putting them to the sword in their own midden doesn't make you a great, but failing to do so would prevent you from being one.
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No one is suggesting performances at Ibrox is the only barometer of being a great player. But given the two-horse nature of Scottish football down the years, having players who can't handle facing them away from home is a major disadvantage. The likes of Larsson and Moravcik excelled at Ibrox and seemed to grow in stature when faced with the pressure of playing there. Nakamura wilted and often found himself subbed after contributing nothing. They weren't even a good side at the time.
Performing at Ibrox isn't the barometer for what makes a Celtic great. However, I'd be hard-pushed to name a Celtic great who hasn't performed at Ibrox.

Putting them to the sword in their own midden doesn't make you a great, but failing to do so would prevent you from being one.
Apparently we've had many.

Waiting patiently to find out who these greats are.
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All I've taken from the last page is that Samaras = Celtic Great.

What a man :wub:

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28 Jun 2017, 07:46 AM
All I've taken from the last page is that Samaras = Celtic Great.

What a man :wub:

Great probably doesn't cover it.
Sammy has his own game. Even Henrik didn't manage that.
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So....does scoring at Ibrox make you a Celtic great?
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