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Moussa Dembele
Topic Started: 28 Jun 2016, 11:59 AM (860,713 Views)
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How can anyone know who was out of order? We have two guys who have been assigned penalty takers under the manager at different stages of their careers. In the public domain the last we heard was it was Dembele. For all we know Rodgers could have told Sinclair at the start of the game he was on penalties as Dembele was on the bench. It will sort itself out and we have two guys that have hit two good penalties. The manager will clear it up in no uncertain terms as to who takes them.

The only thing thats annoying some folk is the clear attitude from Dembele at the penalty and after it was taken. If it was Sinclair doing what Dembele did he too would be rightly criticised. Dembele is showing the signs of a player albiet hes not got the games he probably wants and only the manager will tell us why, probably because Griffiths is a goal machine. Thats twice hes done this though, its fine celebrating with the fans afterwards and going to take the applause but in a team game like this you congratulate each other, you dont sit on the bench when we score and look like someones just stolen your wife from you. And if a repeat of today happens where he doesnt involve himself in play at the penalty then turns his back and walks away from the scorer i think Brendan will have pretty strong words with him. Thats if he hasnt already.
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How can anyone know who was out of order? We have two guys who have been assigned penalty takers under the manager at different stages of their careers. In the public domain the last we heard was it was Dembele. For all we know Rodgers could have told Sinclair at the start of the game he was on penalties as Dembele was on the bench. It will sort itself out and we have two guys that have hit two good penalties. The manager will clear it up in no uncertain terms as to who takes them.

The only thing thats annoying some folk is the clear attitude from Dembele at the penalty and after it was taken. If it was Sinclair doing what Dembele did he too would be rightly criticised. Dembele is showing the signs of a player albiet hes not got the games he probably wants and only the manager will tell us why, probably because Griffiths is a goal machine. Thats twice hes done this though, its fine celebrating with the fans afterwards and going to take the applause but in a team game like this you congratulate each other, you dont sit on the bench when we score and look like someones just stolen your wife from you. And if a repeat of today happens where he doesnt involve himself in play at the penalty then turns his back and walks away from the scorer i think Brendan will have pretty strong words with him. Thats if he hasnt already.
:thumbsup: my point exactly but that's the end of it from me I'm sure it will be sorted
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Griff said weeks ago that Dembele was now on pens as he was shampoo hot, Sinclair wasn't here at the time obviously, I would've been pissed of as well tbh.
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Perfectly obvious. Sinclair nominated as pen taker prior to match. Sinclair thinks that decision would have stuck even with Mousa coming on.
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I wonder if Sinclair would have stepped up in the Astana game at 90 minutes to hit the penalty had he been here?

Dembele is the penalty taker and has every right to be pissed off that he wasn't allowed to take it. The guy is getting limited game time and is trying to make as big an impression as he can when he's on the park.

Brown should have told Sinclair to bolt and handed the ball to Moussa.
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28 Aug 2016, 08:51 AM
Perfectly obvious. Sinclair nominated as pen taker prior to match. Sinclair thinks that decision would have stuck even with Mousa coming on.
Perfectly plausible but not necessarily obvious.

Applying the same logic, Griffiths could have taken the second pen against Astana.
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28 Aug 2016, 08:53 AM
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28 Aug 2016, 08:51 AM
Perfectly obvious. Sinclair nominated as pen taker prior to match. Sinclair thinks that decision would have stuck even with Mousa coming on.
Perfectly plausible but not necessarily obvious.

Applying the same logic, Griffiths could have taken the second pen against Astana.
Not if the manager had said to rotate after a miss.
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28 Aug 2016, 09:01 AM
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28 Aug 2016, 08:53 AM
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28 Aug 2016, 08:51 AM
Perfectly obvious. Sinclair nominated as pen taker prior to match. Sinclair thinks that decision would have stuck even with Mousa coming on.
Perfectly plausible but not necessarily obvious.

Applying the same logic, Griffiths could have taken the second pen against Astana.
Not if the manager had said to rotate after a miss.
But Griffiths scored
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28 Aug 2016, 08:53 AM
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28 Aug 2016, 08:51 AM
Perfectly obvious. Sinclair nominated as pen taker prior to match. Sinclair thinks that decision would have stuck even with Mousa coming on.
Perfectly plausible but not necessarily obvious.

Applying the same logic, Griffiths could have taken the second pen against Astana.
Maybe Griff didn't want it and Mousa did. Big pen at the time. Who knows what was said.
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How can anyone know who was out of order? We have two guys who have been assigned penalty takers under the manager at different stages of their careers. In the public domain the last we heard was it was Dembele. For all we know Rodgers could have told Sinclair at the start of the game he was on penalties as Dembele was on the bench. It will sort itself out and we have two guys that have hit two good penalties. The manager will clear it up in no uncertain terms as to who takes them.

The only thing thats annoying some folk is the clear attitude from Dembele at the penalty and after it was taken. If it was Sinclair doing what Dembele did he too would be rightly criticised. Dembele is showing the signs of a player albiet hes not got the games he probably wants and only the manager will tell us why, probably because Griffiths is a goal machine. Thats twice hes done this though, its fine celebrating with the fans afterwards and going to take the applause but in a team game like this you congratulate each other, you dont sit on the bench when we score and look like someones just stolen your wife from you. And if a repeat of today happens where he doesnt involve himself in play at the penalty then turns his back and walks away from the scorer i think Brendan will have pretty strong words with him. Thats if he hasnt already.
:ffs:

You've no idea what the managers instructions are so it's a complete waste of time speculating on it. ICGAF whether Dembele looks like he's having the time of his life or not.
Edited by mizpah, 28 Aug 2016, 09:07 AM.
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28 Aug 2016, 09:05 AM
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28 Aug 2016, 08:53 AM
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28 Aug 2016, 08:51 AM
Perfectly obvious. Sinclair nominated as pen taker prior to match. Sinclair thinks that decision would have stuck even with Mousa coming on.
Perfectly plausible but not necessarily obvious.

Applying the same logic, Griffiths could have taken the second pen against Astana.
Maybe Griff didn't want it and Mousa did. Big pen at the time. Who knows what was said.
Exactly, that's all I mean. Your thinking in your initial post made perfect sense. Dembele couldn't have been nominated penalty taker on the game before he came off the bench. It was probably Sinclair. There may have been ambiguity as to who it would be when Dembele came on hence the dispute. All very plausible. We just don't know for sure (which is why I said it wasn't obvious).
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Dembele is young and inexperienced. He will learn.
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Who cares. With griff openly not wanting pens, I'm glad we've two fighting over taking them. Bit of fight which has been much lacking in recent seasons
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Fine with strikers being annoyed that they've been denied a potential goal, especially as the penalty taker. He cares.
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28 Aug 2016, 10:26 AM
Fine with strikers being annoyed that they've been denied a potential goal, especially as the penalty taker. He cares.
I think the point is not whether he cares, it's whether he cares about the team first or himself first.

He's young and he's adjusting. Personally I think he's come here thinking he'll be first choice, in fact, we heard he chose us over others because he didn't want to be sitting on the bench and maybe that's the root of the frustration.

Once he realises we're a big big club and that the quality at the club is better than where he's come from he'll probably settle down.

Club comes first. Team comes first. Always should.

FWIW I doubt we'll see this kind of thing again over penalties. The manager will likely have a quiet word and explain how things are to go in the future.
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He should calm down, feels like he is in a hurry to try to impress, and gets frustrated.

I expect he will start in some of the CL games to try to hold the ball up for Sinclair and Roberts. His link up play is better than Griffiths'.
Edited by drks, 28 Aug 2016, 10:45 AM.
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Seems strange Dembele is being accused of selfishness, petulance and immaturity when the older and more experienced Sinclair could be accused of it also since we know from both Dembele and Rodgers that Moussa is the penalty taker when he is on the pitch.
A 20 year old doesn't need the doubt put in his mind by an older player come the next important penalty. The situation was petty and unneeded and Rodgers should make sure there isn't a repeat of it.
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28 Aug 2016, 10:42 AM
He should calm down, feels like he is in a hurry to try to impress, and gets frustrated.

I expect he will start in some of the CL games to try to hold the ball up for Sinclair and Roberts. His link up play is better than Griffiths'.
That's already a myth that's growing arms and legs.

How many goals has Dembele been noted as 'assist?'

I'm sure Griffiths is already ahead of him in that, and he scores.

In addition Griffiths knocks his pan in chasing list causes, has a cracking first touch and is evidently a team player.

Dembele has a long way to go to catch up, he's reminding me more of Fortune every match. Capable of little bursts of strength and speed but little else.
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How can anyone know who was out of order? We have two guys who have been assigned penalty takers under the manager at different stages of their careers. In the public domain the last we heard was it was Dembele. For all we know Rodgers could have told Sinclair at the start of the game he was on penalties as Dembele was on the bench. It will sort itself out and we have two guys that have hit two good penalties. The manager will clear it up in no uncertain terms as to who takes them.

The only thing thats annoying some folk is the clear attitude from Dembele at the penalty and after it was taken. If it was Sinclair doing what Dembele did he too would be rightly criticised. Dembele is showing the signs of a player albiet hes not got the games he probably wants and only the manager will tell us why, probably because Griffiths is a goal machine. Thats twice hes done this though, its fine celebrating with the fans afterwards and going to take the applause but in a team game like this you congratulate each other, you dont sit on the bench when we score and look like someones just stolen your wife from you. And if a repeat of today happens where he doesnt involve himself in play at the penalty then turns his back and walks away from the scorer i think Brendan will have pretty strong words with him. Thats if he hasnt already.
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You've no idea what the managers instructions are so it's a complete waste of time speculating on it. ICGAF whether Dembele looks like he's having the time of his life or not.
Of course i have no idea, like nobody else does. Thats what i opened with, everyones speculating. "for all we know" was my statement not "Brendan told me when we were out for a pint and a curry."
Is there somewhere i claimed to have inside knowledge of this making your facepalm relevant?

As for not giving a eff whether dembele looks like hes having the time of his life....again whos mentioned that? People are mentioning him not getting involved in play as the penalty was taken and turning away from the goalscorer. Would you have given a eff the penalty was saved and bounced right into the area dembele should have been? Or would you have had the same attitude of oh i dont give a eff?

Edited by Lewis Hamilton's Biggest Fan, 28 Aug 2016, 10:58 AM.
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28 Aug 2016, 10:51 AM
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28 Aug 2016, 10:42 AM
He should calm down, feels like he is in a hurry to try to impress, and gets frustrated.

I expect he will start in some of the CL games to try to hold the ball up for Sinclair and Roberts. His link up play is better than Griffiths'.
That's already a myth that's growing arms and legs.

How many goals has Dembele been noted as 'assist?'

I'm sure Griffiths is already ahead of him in that, and he scores.

In addition Griffiths knocks his pan in chasing list causes, has a cracking first touch and is evidently a team player.

Dembele has a long way to go to catch up, he's reminding me more of Fortune every match. Capable of little bursts of strength and speed but little else.
He's nothing like fortune. Give the boy a chance.
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