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Moussa Dembele
Topic Started: 28 Jun 2016, 11:59 AM (860,268 Views)
Luca
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TimsdaleBhoy
23 May 2018, 12:09 PM
Think he loves it up here. Wouldn't be surprised if he stayed for the 10, would actually be more of a surprise to me if he left before hand.
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TimsdaleBhoy
23 May 2018, 12:09 PM
Think he loves it up here. Wouldn't be surprised if he stayed for the 10, would actually be more of a surprise to me if he left before hand.
Looked like he enjoyed this years celebrations more than any other so far.

Please stay Big Man
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It would be a seriously bad bit of business by Celtic if we allowed Dembele to run down his contract. We should be looking at getting £20 million plus for him now or else signing him on a long term deal that will allow us to cash in later. Anything else would be madness.
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Kingslim
23 May 2018, 01:59 PM
TimsdaleBhoy
23 May 2018, 12:09 PM
Think he loves it up here. Wouldn't be surprised if he stayed for the 10, would actually be more of a surprise to me if he left before hand.
Looked like he enjoyed this years celebrations more than any other so far.

Please stay Big Man
Posted something on his twitter the other day about how special our club & fans how hes loving his time here etc! Would link it but on the work computer.
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23 May 2018, 01:58 PM
TimsdaleBhoy
23 May 2018, 12:09 PM
Think he loves it up here. Wouldn't be surprised if he stayed for the 10, would actually be more of a surprise to me if he left before hand.
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Heard it here first!
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TimsdaleBhoy
23 May 2018, 02:07 PM
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23 May 2018, 01:59 PM
TimsdaleBhoy
23 May 2018, 12:09 PM
Think he loves it up here. Wouldn't be surprised if he stayed for the 10, would actually be more of a surprise to me if he left before hand.
Looked like he enjoyed this years celebrations more than any other so far.

Please stay Big Man
Posted something on his twitter the other day about how special our club & fans how hes loving his time here etc! Would link it but on the work computer.
Yeah, I read it at the weekend.

He's always done that to be fair :lol:

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Kingslim
23 May 2018, 02:12 PM
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23 May 2018, 02:07 PM
Kingslim
23 May 2018, 01:59 PM

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Posted something on his twitter the other day about how special our club & fans how hes loving his time here etc! Would link it but on the work computer.
Yeah, I read it at the weekend.

He's always done that to be fair :lol:

Given some of the other stuff he has posted over the last couple of years, I'd be willing to wager it's not actually him.
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23 May 2018, 01:47 PM
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23 May 2018, 11:10 AM
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23 May 2018, 08:59 AM

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It wasn't the use of the word 'model' or 'strategy' that I was taking about.

There is no club in the world that has a singular transfer strategy and the overall strategy will always be complimented with players that are needed at the time to supplement the squad. This is fairly obvious. The young players we've brought in and the ones that we tried to bring in where done so with the view to making bank on them when the time was right.

Celtic are doing great work as a club who are bringing young players in and developing them. If we start to stand in their way when big moves come around it'll make people think twice about coming here. Thankfully Rodgers knows this.

Do you think if we got £30m for Dembele and reinvested £20m of it into the playing squad in buying Edouard for circa £5-6m and spending £14m on other areas would give us a better chance at qualifying for the last 16? I do.
Not sure the club would ever stand in the way of a big move for a player if it was as you say a 'big move' but in reality has any Celtic player in the last 10/15 year been subject to a 'big move?' with the exception of Larsson who went on a free, and at a push Islam Feruz :lol: Yer Norwich, Southampton & Brighton's shouldn't be classed as a 'big move' for me.
Going anywhere that maybe doubles or trebles a players wage is a big move for them, whether it's to Southampton or any other club souped up on EPL millions.
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:lol: Poor choice of words. Should have "paid attention" in English. Apologies :thumbsup:

What I meant was when buying young raw talent. The model is to develop them and sell at a tidy profit. Like we did with VVD and big Vic. Moussa has been bought to develop and sell for top dollar as will Edouard no doubt.

He should be offered a new deal but if he knocks it back we should be actively looking to sell him. Edouard is good enough to replace him and we would need to buy a new forward so we should have the firepower to qualify for the CL proper.
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23 May 2018, 02:56 PM
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23 May 2018, 01:47 PM
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23 May 2018, 11:10 AM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep If we start to stand in their way when big moves come around it'll make people think twice about coming here. Thankfully Rodgers knows this.

Do you think if we got £30m for Dembele and reinvested £20m of it into the playing squad in buying Edouard for circa £5-6m and spending £14m on other areas would give us a better chance at qualifying for the last 16? I do.
Not sure the club would ever stand in the way of a big move for a player if it was as you say a 'big move' but in reality has any Celtic player in the last 10/15 year been subject to a 'big move?' with the exception of Larsson who went on a free, and at a push Islam Feruz :lol: Yer Norwich, Southampton & Brighton's shouldn't be classed as a 'big move' for me.
Going anywhere that maybe doubles or trebles a players wage is a big move for them, whether it's to Southampton or any other club souped up on EPL millions.
Money grabbing tramps r'lotta them. To correct myself on my first post, if a player REALLY wants to go then i can't see the club ever trying to stand in their way.
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Our players can choose to play for a huge club with middling wages or move to a middling club with huge wages. I’m not sure which counts as a big move these days.
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It's a cliché but players do hold all the power now. Some of you seem to think we can manoeuvre Dembele out the door. We can't. Maybe if he was a dud but he's too valuable in the team. It's perfectly possible that we receive no bids from the level of club Dembele sees himself going to.

If a club like Brighton come in and meet our valuation, but he doesn't want to go, would you suggest we freeze him out? If he wants to run his contract down he will and it will be no 'madness' on the part of Celtic. There will be eff all celtic can do about it.
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23 May 2018, 02:14 PM
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23 May 2018, 02:07 PM

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Yeah, I read it at the weekend.

He's always done that to be fair :lol:

Given some of the other stuff he has posted over the last couple of years, I'd be willing to wager it's not actually him.
It's not. Athletes have agencies running their social media.
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Ultimately if the business determines that we'll make more money keeping Dembele than selling him PL will do everything he can to not sell him. If we can make that same money even with selling him then he will be sold.

That's assuming he does want to move when a bid comes in from someone who'll double/triple his wages.
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23 May 2018, 03:46 PM
Our players can choose to play for a huge club with middling wages or move to a middling club with huge wages. I’m not sure which counts as a big move these days.
When measuring anything there are many ways to do it and not everyone will agree but surely it’s time to stop denying that almost every EPL club is now bigger than celtic in many ways?

What’s the biggest building in the world? Do you measure by height (why not number of rooms, or volume, number of floors?), if so to the top of the occupied floors or do you include unoccupied floors, aerials, masts etc - there are many disagreements and disputed lists you can read about online

Same with what’s the measure of the biggest club
Number of attending fans? Number of global fans? Size of stadium?
How about cumulative viewing figures including opposition?
Squad size, number of employees, wage bill?
Number of trophies (isn’t that ‘most successful’ club?)
Number of companies (disputed title holders: Sevco with 2)
What about global TV or online viewing figures, Facebook followers?
- I bet all Scottish teams lose out on that

Edit: I looked up a few measures where Southampton are way ahead
Celtic FC e.g. MAX viewing figure (0.5m Mar 2018, 0.27m in prior Sevco match), Southampton AVE figure 848,500
Celtic FC 1.6m likes on Facebook, Southampton have 3m
Celtic FC market cap £162m (today), Southampton valuation (2017 takeover) £200m
Celtic FC turnover 2018 £90m, Southampton 2018 is £180m

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I wonder how many of the £3m Facebookers could point out Southampton on a map. Or name a player. Or tell you the last time they won any trophy. And how many would 'unlike' them were they to be relegated from the league they are fan boys of.
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24 May 2018, 07:01 AM
LondonThomas
23 May 2018, 03:46 PM
Our players can choose to play for a huge club with middling wages or move to a middling club with huge wages. I’m not sure which counts as a big move these days.
When measuring anything there are many ways to do it and not everyone will agree but surely it’s time to stop denying that almost every EPL club is now bigger than celtic in many ways?

What’s the biggest building in the world? Do you measure by height (why not number of rooms, or volume, number of floors?), if so to the top of the occupied floors or do you include unoccupied floors, aerials, masts etc - there are many disagreements and disputed lists you can read about online

Same with what’s the measure of the biggest club
Number of attending fans? Number of global fans? Size of stadium?
How about cumulative viewing figures including opposition?
Squad size, number of employees, wage bill?
Number of trophies (isn’t that ‘most successful’ club?)
Number of companies (disputed title holders: Sevco with 2)
What about global TV or online viewing figures, Facebook followers?
- I bet all Scottish teams lose out on that

Edit: I looked up a few measures where Southampton are way ahead
Celtic FC e.g. MAX viewing figure (0.5m Mar 2018, 0.27m in prior Sevco match), Southampton AVE figure 848,500
Celtic FC 1.6m likes on Facebook, Southampton have 3m
Celtic FC market cap £162m (today), Southampton valuation (2017 takeover) £200m
Celtic FC turnover 2018 £90m, Southampton 2018 is £180m

Moussa wants to go play for a team with a cracking Facebook account, who can blame him?
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24 May 2018, 07:01 AM
LondonThomas
23 May 2018, 03:46 PM
Our players can choose to play for a huge club with middling wages or move to a middling club with huge wages. I’m not sure which counts as a big move these days.
When measuring anything there are many ways to do it and not everyone will agree but surely it’s time to stop denying that almost every EPL club is now bigger than celtic in many ways?

What’s the biggest building in the world? Do you measure by height (why not number of rooms, or volume, number of floors?), if so to the top of the occupied floors or do you include unoccupied floors, aerials, masts etc - there are many disagreements and disputed lists you can read about online

Same with what’s the measure of the biggest club
Number of attending fans? Number of global fans? Size of stadium?
How about cumulative viewing figures including opposition?
Squad size, number of employees, wage bill?
Number of trophies (isn’t that ‘most successful’ club?)
Number of companies (disputed title holders: Sevco with 2)
What about global TV or online viewing figures, Facebook followers?
- I bet all Scottish teams lose out on that

Edit: I looked up a few measures where Southampton are way ahead
Celtic FC e.g. MAX viewing figure (0.5m Mar 2018, 0.27m in prior Sevco match), Southampton AVE figure 848,500
Celtic FC 1.6m likes on Facebook, Southampton have 3m
Celtic FC market cap £162m (today), Southampton valuation (2017 takeover) £200m
Celtic FC turnover 2018 £90m, Southampton 2018 is £180m

Trying too hard. :coffee:
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23 May 2018, 02:56 PM
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23 May 2018, 01:47 PM
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23 May 2018, 11:10 AM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep If we start to stand in their way when big moves come around it'll make people think twice about coming here. Thankfully Rodgers knows this.

Do you think if we got £30m for Dembele and reinvested £20m of it into the playing squad in buying Edouard for circa £5-6m and spending £14m on other areas would give us a better chance at qualifying for the last 16? I do.
Not sure the club would ever stand in the way of a big move for a player if it was as you say a 'big move' but in reality has any Celtic player in the last 10/15 year been subject to a 'big move?' with the exception of Larsson who went on a free, and at a push Islam Feruz :lol: Yer Norwich, Southampton & Brighton's shouldn't be classed as a 'big move' for me.
Going anywhere that maybe doubles or trebles a players wage is a big move for them, whether it's to Southampton or any other club souped up on EPL millions.
Evidence so far would suggest that players leaving Celtic for the EPL still need to go to a middling to poor EPL side before the big boys will show an interest in the (Wanyama to Spurs and VVD to Liverpool, both via Southampton).

It would be nice to think that if we do have to sell our best players then at some point we could start doing the mega-bucks deal with the elite clubs directly, rather than have to sell for a middling fee and a sell-on clause with Southampton or similar getting the lions share of the profit. This time last year it looked likely that Dembele could be the player to break that cycle and go to one of the big guns directly....it looks less likely this time round and I suspect he'll be moving on to EPL no-marks either towards the end of the summer window or in January.
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