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Moussa Dembele
Topic Started: 28 Jun 2016, 11:59 AM (860,314 Views)
smudgethecat
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Moussa needs to watch a video of Sammi v Barca to see what a real out ball looks like
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22 Feb 2018, 10:05 PM
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22 Feb 2018, 10:02 PM
He wasn't the best player last week.
He was sensational. Who was better?
Ntcham, McGregor, Ajer
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It would be nice if he scored from time to time.

First touch is not great
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22 Feb 2018, 11:57 PM
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22 Feb 2018, 09:56 PM

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And every game Demebele plays further stretches Griffiths superior goals per minute played record.

Btw, pretty much every fan I speak to would rather Griffiths over Demebele and our recent run of dropping points coincides with the absence of Griffiths.
you should probably stop speaking to stupid idiots then.

Ste.CSC

Seriously though, you’re talking nonsense. Dembele far more useful in games like tonight.

Edit - the way you post, folk could be forgiven for thinking you’re happy when Dembele doesn’t score or when we’re rubbish when he plays, gives you more “evidence” in your pro-Griffiths argument.
I guess I should just count ST holders, mates and the countless guys I taxi to the matches and pubs as 'stupid idiots'

In the real world most folk I chat with prefer Griffiths in a Celtic shirt.

As for my 'pro Griffiths' argument, it's pretty simple.

If I was to choose over either, I'd have Griffiths.

In his absence, ideally Dembele would be doing the things Griffiths brings and the rest.

Instead he fails to do that which comes before any technical ability which is pressure players.

For a lump of a lad he rarely uses his physique to unsettle defenders.
For someone who we are told has pace, he rarely chases down lost causes.
Larsson, Griffiths etc are examples of defending from the front, they never gave keepers or defenders any time and on the odd occasion this has led to mistakes from the defending team. It also acts as motivation for those behind them to do likewise.

This argument we are regularly hearing about the midfield not helping his cause is one we rarely hear in respect of Griffiths.

The reason for that is not always a static midfield but rather a static striker.

How can a midfielder look to play a cutting pass to a guy who stands still and appears suited only to a ball to feet with his back to goal 25 yards or so out?

His lack of movement is lamentable at times and again this causes the midfield to play across instead of forward.

Griffiths plays on the shoulder, comes short, plays the flanks and even if be doesn't receive the ball, his movement allows others to make space and advance.

I would add that LG has a better variety of goals, many coming from his weaker foot and often from the edge of the box, whilst MD has (from memory) only scored from within 18 yards.

LG has been prolific at every club and scored at every level, so when looking at each player separately and their attributes, the only thing MD has over LG is strength and possibly ariel ability but it matters not a jot when you don't apply yourself.

MD cannot be somehow be viewed as a big game player when he struggles to handle SPL defenders. Big game players also have the ability and mentality to perform against bread and butter teams.

If MD ran himself into the ground and things didn't come off for him, I'd be much more sympathetic but I'm not the only one in this thread or many of the match threads who have taken note of his apparent application.

In addition I've never slated MD the way many have but unlike some, I'm not going to lavish praise on the guy or look for countless excuses to explain away his very obvious and increasingly common poor displays.
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Son if you don't want to be here then eff off. You can't floof around not moving and then when you get the ball run into defenders. You think you are above playing for us. Cool just do one
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Last season you'd build your team around him. This season? If fit, I'd give Griffiths his jersey.
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Currently he can’t be trusted, his attitude and performance levels change by the minute.
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The amount of criticism of Dembele based on last nights performance is staggering and shows lack of of understanding and a wish to make him a scapegoat. Was he great no and not even that good but how much of that was his fault? He was excellent last week because quick passes were played to him to which he controlled the ball with first touch and had multiple options as players were aggressive and quick to support so his second touch was a successful effective pass. Compare to last night where the passes to him were poor and while his first touch was not as crisp as last week was decent but unlike last week there didn’t seem to be options which meant either he took multiple touches and lost the ball while attempting to keep it or he took multiple touches got the ball to a Celtic player but the ball was moving back and slowing up over and over. The biggest issue for Dembele last night was rest of team base position was 20 yards deeper than last week. We were scared and showed lack of ambition and for some on here Dembele is easy scapegoat
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nakasboots
23 Feb 2018, 02:52 AM
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22 Feb 2018, 11:57 PM
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22 Feb 2018, 10:05 PM

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you should probably stop speaking to stupid idiots then.

Ste.CSC

Seriously though, you’re talking nonsense. Dembele far more useful in games like tonight.

Edit - the way you post, folk could be forgiven for thinking you’re happy when Dembele doesn’t score or when we’re rubbish when he plays, gives you more “evidence” in your pro-Griffiths argument.
I guess I should just count ST holders, mates and the countless guys I taxi to the matches and pubs as 'stupid idiots'

In the real world most folk I chat with prefer Griffiths in a Celtic shirt.

As for my 'pro Griffiths' argument, it's pretty simple.

If I was to choose over either, I'd have Griffiths.

In his absence, ideally Dembele would be doing the things Griffiths brings and the rest.

Instead he fails to do that which comes before any technical ability which is pressure players.

For a lump of a lad he rarely uses his physique to unsettle defenders.
For someone who we are told has pace, he rarely chases down lost causes.
Larsson, Griffiths etc are examples of defending from the front, they never gave keepers or defenders any time and on the odd occasion this has led to mistakes from the defending team. It also acts as motivation for those behind them to do likewise.

This argument we are regularly hearing about the midfield not helping his cause is one we rarely hear in respect of Griffiths.

The reason for that is not always a static midfield but rather a static striker.

How can a midfielder look to play a cutting pass to a guy who stands still and appears suited only to a ball to feet with his back to goal 25 yards or so out?

His lack of movement is lamentable at times and again this causes the midfield to play across instead of forward.

Griffiths plays on the shoulder, comes short, plays the flanks and even if be doesn't receive the ball, his movement allows others to make space and advance.

I would add that LG has a better variety of goals, many coming from his weaker foot and often from the edge of the box, whilst MD has (from memory) only scored from within 18 yards.

LG has been prolific at every club and scored at every level, so when looking at each player separately and their attributes, the only thing MD has over LG is strength and possibly ariel ability but it matters not a jot when you don't apply yourself.

MD cannot be somehow be viewed as a big game player when he struggles to handle SPL defenders. Big game players also have the ability and mentality to perform against bread and butter teams.

If MD ran himself into the ground and things didn't come off for him, I'd be much more sympathetic but I'm not the only one in this thread or many of the match threads who have taken note of his apparent application.

In addition I've never slated MD the way many have but unlike some, I'm not going to lavish praise on the guy or look for countless excuses to explain away his very obvious and increasingly common poor displays.
This idea that Dembele stands about doing nothing while Griffiths is some top quality, Larsson type player, dragging defenders everywhere with his clever runs and making things easier for midfielders with his top quality link play is all in your head. Dembele not being at his best and Griffiths being injured at magically seen Griffiths’ ability develop to previous unseen levels.

Overall, and especially recently, we play better when Dembele plays and plays well. Dembele got no service last night. When we get the ball to him like we did in the first leg, he raises our game to a different level.

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One goal in his last 13. His attitude is pathetic at times.
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beaumontbhoy
23 Feb 2018, 09:05 AM
The amount of criticism of Dembele based on last nights performance is staggering and shows lack of of understanding and a wish to make him a scapegoat. Was he great no and not even that good but how much of that was his fault? He was excellent last week because quick passes were played to him to which he controlled the ball with first touch and had multiple options as players were aggressive and quick to support so his second touch was a successful effective pass. Compare to last night where the passes to him were poor and while his first touch was not as crisp as last week was decent but unlike last week there didn’t seem to be options which meant either he took multiple touches and lost the ball while attempting to keep it or he took multiple touches got the ball to a Celtic player but the ball was moving back and slowing up over and over. The biggest issue for Dembele last night was rest of team base position was 20 yards deeper than last week. We were scared and showed lack of ambition and for some on here Dembele is easy scapegoat
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This idea that Dembele stands about doing nothing while Griffiths is some top quality, Larsson type player, dragging defenders everywhere with his clever runs and making things easier for midfielders with his top quality link play is all in your head. Dembele not being at his best and Griffiths being injured at magically seen Griffiths’ ability develop to previous unseen levels.

Overall, and especially recently, we play better when Dembele plays and plays well. Dembele got no service last night. When we get the ball to him like we did in the first leg, he raises our game to a different level.


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I do like Griff but Moussa was ok last night.
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One goal in his last 13. His attitude is pathetic at times.
You are talking crap regarding his attitude. Going by your rationale saurez attitude would have stunk against Chelsea just because he wasn’t running around aimlessly
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23 Feb 2018, 09:27 AM
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One goal in his last 13. His attitude is pathetic at times.
You are talking crap regarding his attitude. Going by your rationale saurez attitude would have stunk against Chelsea just because he wasn’t running around aimlessly
TBF he does go through phases in a game where he looks like he can't be arsed. Having said that, I thought he was better last night - hold up play at times was what we expect, but he's still not the player he was last season. But improving.
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One goal in his last 13. His attitude is pathetic at times.
You are talking crap regarding his attitude. Going by your rationale saurez attitude would have stunk against Chelsea just because he wasn’t running around aimlessly
He worked a lot harder last season, of that there is no doubt. He was also in better shape then, he's carrying a bit of timber now. More signs he doesn't give an eff about us.
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If Griffiths played like Dembele did last night folk would be using it as evidence that Griffiths isn't good enough to play in Europe. Dembele was honking last night, looked disinterested and doesn't look like scoring (at any level). I expect more from a player who is apparently worth £20 million plus.

When Griffiths is fit I'd start him ahead of Dembele from now on.
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23 Feb 2018, 09:51 AM
If Griffiths played like Dembele did last night folk would be using it as evidence that Griffiths isn't good enough to play in Europe. Dembele was honking last night, looked disinterested and doesn't look like scoring (at any level). I expect more from a player who is apparently worth £20 million plus.

When Griffiths is fit I'd start him ahead of Dembele from now on.
Utter nonsense.
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Shadow of the player he was last season.

Hurry up and get fit Griffiths.
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23 Feb 2018, 09:51 AM
If Griffiths played like Dembele did last night folk would be using it as evidence that Griffiths isn't good enough to play in Europe. Dembele was honking last night, looked disinterested and doesn't look like scoring (at any level). I expect more from a player who is apparently worth £20 million plus.

When Griffiths is fit I'd start him ahead of Dembele from now on.
Yep he gets away with more than Griff does when hes bad. Ste's favourite fall back before christmas was to quote the goals per min ratio of the both of them to make his point. Hes dropped that now i see :lol: One in 13 is very poor for a ahem 25m rated forward playing in the SPFL.
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23 Feb 2018, 09:58 AM
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23 Feb 2018, 09:51 AM
If Griffiths played like Dembele did last night folk would be using it as evidence that Griffiths isn't good enough to play in Europe. Dembele was honking last night, looked disinterested and doesn't look like scoring (at any level). I expect more from a player who is apparently worth £20 million plus.

When Griffiths is fit I'd start him ahead of Dembele from now on.
Utter nonsense.
It's far from it and you know fine well LG would be being slaughtered if he put the level of performances MD has put in at times this season.

It's utter nonsense to suggest otherwise when it would take you 5 minutes to go into the LG thread and see the number of he isn't good enough comments :ffs:

When both are on form MD is a far better player. Anyone saying otherwise is porky pieing. When he is off form then Griffiths should always start as he is more likely to get you a goal.
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The funny thing about set pieces is that the centre halfs can't really do anything to stop them.

He done well vs Joe Hart. My point.
Why do you hate Leigh Griffiths?
I don't hate him. I just don't rate him anywhere near as much as certain sections of our support do.

The general idea from sections of our support from last night seems to be that Dembele is lazy, slow and doesn't create enough chances for himself.

A) He covered more ground than Griffiths did in the CL group stages this year
B) He reached a higher top speed than Griffiths did in the CL group stages this year
C) He had double the amount of attempts at goal than Griffiths did in the CL group stages this year

So again - can someone tell me what exactly it is Griffiths brings to the team that would have made a difference with that midfield playing the way they did behind him?

I'm not having a go at Griffiths here BTW. I'm just saying that this type of game does not suit Griffiths at all. He is 100x better when we are on the front foot and forcing the game. If we aren't doing that he might as well have stayed in Edinburgh.

I think people watch games expecting the same every time. Dembele's role last night and his role vs Aberdeen at the weekend are considerably different. Just because he isn't scoring goals doesn't mean he isn't having a good game. I think he done what was asked of him from the manager and that's why he was singled out for praise after the game.
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