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Hellas67
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10 Feb 2018, 09:11 PM
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- 10 Feb 2018, 08:39 PM
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A striker being judged on goals? Imagine that.
It's a very simplistic way of looking at it. Would you rather a striker that scored 40 goals and we won 20 games or a striker that scored 0 goals and we won 30 games? If the striker is contributing to the overall play of the team and making the right decisions AND helping others to score then it doesn't really matter. Modern football has taken the pressure off strikers in a front 3 to score goals and spread it amongst the front 3 more. But Dembele really hasn't done that this season, Sinclairs poor form has been excused because he has scored and has more assists than anyone else, but no denying he hasn't hit last seasons standards, instead Dembele has done none of the two
No doubt he'll put in a good performance on Thursday as he wants to be noticed!
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10 Feb 2018, 09:17 PM
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Hes carrying weight. Not the athlete he was last season and his touch is honking.
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10 Feb 2018, 09:24 PM
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Hes carrying weight. Not the athlete he was last season and his touch is honking. I wish I could carry weight like MD!
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10 Feb 2018, 09:25 PM
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- 10 Feb 2018, 08:32 PM
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- 10 Feb 2018, 08:21 PM
When are the people who watched the game coming on to talk about it?
Dembele had a very solid game today. I have no idea what people are watching.
Solid?? He has been poor all season and at times has looked as if he can't be bothered, Eduoard for me has more about him at the moment, fast, always on the move, looking to get involved and he appears to have the same physical attributes as Dembele and moves around more. Their first touches at times are the same...pretty poor. Today the best thing that Dembele done was in the 2nd minute after that it was all a bit meh! I get that you like him but let's not make excuses about how he has been this season based on how his teamates behind him have played!
Sorry - fail to see what he done wrong today. He contributed to a goal, nearly got himself on the scoresheet and constantly harassed and pressed the Thistle back line which nearly got him a boot in the puss. His touch and hold up play in to feet in the second half was very good and he even got himself into his own half to receive passes at times when we were going backwards - something people wanted him to do last week. People think he's had a shampooe game because the ball gets lumped towards him and he doesnt win it in the air or bring it down as if that's his game. Go watch all his goals for Celtic. He's not a "big man" striker. He was also fouled more often than not when the ball came in at height but the ref let it go. I guarantee if he got himself on the scoresheet the thread would read considerably different. People put far too much importance on goals over how the rest of the team play. The issues in this Celtic team are further back than Dembele yet he is the only one who is constantly singled out. Actually think that it is you who has watched a different game!
He contributed to a goal with a great touch in the 2nd minute and a shot that he blasted straight down the middle where luck meant that the ball fell to JF who scored! An assist I'll give you but through a deflection from the defender!
Nearly got himself on the scoresheet when he screwed it wide? Other than that can't remember him being near the goal!
Harassed and pressed??? - FFS even you can see that just because the one time he done that he almost got kicked in the chops is clutching at straws a bit!
We all want him to succeed but to say that he has been other than poor thus far is a lie.
I fully expect him, if chosen, to turn in a stellar performance on Thursday...but he needs to remember that he is paid weekly and not big gamely!
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10 Feb 2018, 09:28 PM
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He was garbage today. Second best to every physical/ ariel challenge.
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10 Feb 2018, 09:28 PM
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Hes carrying weight. Not the athlete he was last season and his touch is honking. His touch for the first goal was sublime.
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10 Feb 2018, 09:42 PM
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Hes carrying weight. Not the athlete he was last season and his touch is honking.
I wish I could carry weight like MD! Are you a professional footballer?
People are kidding themselves on about his performances this season, either because they don’t like being critical of celtic players or because they don’t want to look stupid when he turns his form around The fact of the matter is, up until this point he’s, in the main, stunk the place out this season and I think attitude has a lot to do with it. I’m hoping he turns it around. It’s a big few months for him. If he fails to improve he’ll end up back in the championship or even worse for him.... still here!
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10 Feb 2018, 09:46 PM
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Hes carrying weight. Not the athlete he was last season and his touch is honking.
I wish I could carry weight like MD!
Are you a professional footballer? People are kidding themselves on about his performances this season, either because they don’t like being critical of celtic players or because they don’t want to look stupid when he turns his form around  The fact of the matter is, up until this point he’s, in the main, stunk the place out this season and I think attitude has a lot to do with it. I’m hoping he turns it around. It’s a big few months for him. If he fails to improve he’ll end up back in the championship or even worse for him.... still here! Why would staying at Celtic be worse than going to the championship?
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10 Feb 2018, 09:48 PM
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Every now and again, he does something that makes you remember what he’s capable of. There was a situation midway through the second half today when he got away from his marker with a sensational piece of close control that literally no one else currently playing in Scottish football would be capable of. But he’s generally playing with all the intensity of a pre-season friendly. I think the injury has shot his confidence to pieces. Really hope he can snap out of this.
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10 Feb 2018, 09:52 PM
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I reckon we will see a different MD on Thursday!
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10 Feb 2018, 10:24 PM
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Every now and again, he does something that makes you remember what he’s capable of. There was a situation midway through the second half today when he got away from his marker with a sensational piece of close control that literally no one else currently playing in Scottish football would be capable of. But he’s generally playing with all the intensity of a pre-season friendly. I think the injury has shot his confidence to pieces. Really hope he can snap out of this. From his perspective, another Hamstring injury this season and you can probably see several clubs lose interest.
We need Griffiths back pronto.
I would even play Edouard ahead of Dembele right now.
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10 Feb 2018, 10:31 PM
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Every now and again, he does something that makes you remember what he’s capable of. There was a situation midway through the second half today when he got away from his marker with a sensational piece of close control that literally no one else currently playing in Scottish football would be capable of. But he’s generally playing with all the intensity of a pre-season friendly. I think the injury has shot his confidence to pieces. Really hope he can snap out of this.
From his perspective, another Hamstring injury this season and you can probably see several clubs lose interest. We need Griffiths back pronto. I would even play Edouard ahead of Dembele right now. If his concern is clubs losing interest, what does he think will happen if he continues playing so poorly? Last season he looked good enough to go straight from us to an elite club. Right now even scouts from lower EPL teams will be looking at him and wondering if he’s good enough to play for them. I’ve seen this happen before to players plagued by hamstring problems.
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10 Feb 2018, 10:32 PM
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I reckon we will see a different MD on Thursday!
That's what I think. He's a big game player so like every striker needs is a spark and his is the big occasion.
Play through the poor form. All the best have , then they shine.
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10 Feb 2018, 10:48 PM
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Hes carrying weight. Not the athlete he was last season and his touch is honking.
His touch for the first goal was sublime. Correct.
What the youngster is lacking in, at this particular moment in time (besides match fitness), is confidence.
And both will come, in time.
And, perhaps, concurrently
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10 Feb 2018, 11:16 PM
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Shoulda took the 40mil when we had the chance 🙊
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10 Feb 2018, 11:20 PM
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Not great today again. A real real worry.
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11 Feb 2018, 12:19 AM
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Shoulda took the 40mil when we had the chance 🙊 The main problem here is that no one ever offered 40 million.
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11 Feb 2018, 12:28 AM
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I re-watched the game with my eye on Dembele and took notes of every bit of play he was involved in that he either touched the ball or directly influenced where the ball went. I tried to be as impartial as possible. The game is on BBC iPlayer for anyone who wants to check it out - everything is time stamped.
I haven't included his chasing down or his runs that he never received the ball from but there was a few that are worth mentioning. For the shot Forrest had in the first half he creates the space for Musonda to run in to by dragging the defender in the opposite direction. In the second half when Musonda breaks and tries to play him in he could have been played in a lot earlier as Moussa had found a lot of space. His overall work rate in chasing down was impressive from the video footage - He's defending from the front for our first goal cutting off space that leads to the turnover to Browns ball over the top.
The biggest thing I noticed is how little we created for him. He dropped deep more and more as the game went on to get involved. Forrest obviously scored a hat trick so who really cares but he didn't do much in the way of creating chances for anyone (3 assists all season).
Another thing is how we looked a lot more comfortable taking throw ins. His movement gave the thrower a target to hit. It was noticeable how long we were taking earlier in the season and how it was disrupting our play.
My opinion hasn't changed. A solid game. A few bad moments but mostly in situations where you don't really expect him to do any better. His work rate was up on the Killie game and he had some very good actions in the game - especially the one that led to the goal.
Spoiler: click to toggle 1:03 - Great movement to get in behind on Browns ball forward. Brilliant first touch, decent enough shot blocked and it leads to a goal.
5:06 - Good movement to find space in the box, the cross is probably just a bit too high for him but he should have done better. Unlucky.
7:50 - Chases the ball down well and caused the Thistle defender to miss it. Chases again and the ball is launched out of play. Turnover of possession to Celtic.
8:33 - Spins the defender and looks to get in but the pass is short. Turns, takes a good touch and chips it out wide to Forrest in what was a poor pass. Done well initially but should have done better with the final ball.
11:48 - It’s a long ball from De Vries and he does well to get himself in in front of the defender coming from a deeper position. Puts enough pressure on that we come away with the ball.
26:05 - Clearance from a corner. He’s stretching a bit for it but he probably should have got more contact on it.
27:19 - I included this as one of the only examples of his chasing down as I was particularly impressed with it. Forrest comes in central and ends up out on the left and Thistle try to break down the right when they get the ball back and Dembele fills in for him.
28:04 - Comes deep - takes a good touch and lofts it out wide. Keeps the ball moving at a good pace.
28:43 - Comes short for the ball and tries to spin like earlier on when Ajer played him in but the pass from Simunovic comes as if he’s still going short. Not really his fault but maybe he should be doing better in this instance.
30:56 - Drops to the half way line to pick up a pass from Tierney and then knocks it back to Simunovic.
31:26 - Caught static when the ball comes in. The defender actually does well to get in infront of him but he should be doing better. Chases the ball down and makes it difficult for Thistle.
38:38 - Tries to hold it up and fails. Needs to be stronger but it was a 2 vs 1 situation.
Second half
45:39 - The ball comes long and I can’t quite tell if he’s touched it or not when he challenges in the air for it. The ball ends up at Tierney's feet anyway.
45:30 - Impressive defending from the front. Chases the Thistle defender and forces him into an error. Celtic regain possession.
47:20 - Tries to get in behind like for the first goal but goes too early. Offside.
49:50 - Long ball is played up to him and he wins the header but with no one in his vicinity it goes to Thistle. He chases down and wins the ball back.
50:35 - Comes short and takes it from Tierney and keeps the ball moving.
50:49 - Same move again as what led to the first goal - gets the run on the defender in behind but unfortunately the ball takes an unexpected bounce and goes through to the keeper. It’s hard to tell from the camera angle but he might have been able to control it. Inconclusive.
52:50 - Defender gets in and makes a tackle as he looks to receive it short again. Ball stays in our possession.
55:24 - Ball goes long again - manhandled by the Thistle defender. Should have been a free kick but the ref lets it go.
56:27 - Takes it in well from the throw in under pressure, turns and lays it off Ntcham in space. Good hold up play.
57:28 - Fights for the ball in a scramble in the middle of the park - ref gives a freekick for no reason.
60:10 - Alert as he gambles on a Thistle passbook where he blocks Cerny’s attempted clearance. Ball could have ended up anywhere but lucky enough for the keeper it went up in the air - he then booted Dembele in the chest.
60:46 - Another long ball comes up to him and he flicks the header on in to space but no runners from wide or beyond. Too easy to defend against balls like that.
62:31 - Does well and shows good feet to get into the box but when he cuts back his final pass is poor. Should have done better.
65:17 - Takes it in from the throw in, does well and plays it back. Good hold up play.
65:32 - Takes the pass in from Ajer and holds it up well. Creates enough space to get it out of his feet and keeps the ball moving. Good hold up play.
67:02 - Takes it from another throw in again. Good first touch and carry the ball in to the middle of the park. Lack of options to pass to and when it finally goes to Ntcham its probably too late. Pass is tipped and puts Ntcham under pressure when he receives it.
71:20 - Ball comes in to him - should have done better. Can’t tell if its a bad touch or a bad attempted pass.
72:06 - Drops out to the left to create space and receives the ball from Ntcham. Good first touch to take the ball where it needs to be and drives towards the box - takes it past the Thistle player and drags his shot wide. Good positive play lacking in the finish.
73:31 - He’s brilliant here. Tierney launches it forward and he gets himself infront of the Thistle defender and brings it down under pressure. Sticks his boot on the ball and drags it away from another thistle player and then plays it to McGregor. Tries to get himself forward but is fouled.
74:34 - Challenges for another long ball but loses out this time.
81:29 - Hoofed forward by Tierney aimlessly. Tries to get himself into position but it goes over his head.
84:44 - Another long ball to challenge for. Loses out as Thistle defenders position is good.
85:03 - Ball comes into feet again and the pressure from the Thistle player means it goes backwards to one of our players.
85:22 - Goes for the spin in behind again but the pass is too heavy. Unlucky.
88:09 - Long ball comes up and he makes it difficult for the Thistle defender. We pick up the second ball in a dangerous area.
89:29 - Gambles and spins the defender to get in behind showing how sharp he still is in the 89th minute. Pass back to Edouard could have led to a goal.
90:07 - Poor first touch as he tries to cut inside when doubled up on. Chases the ball down and helps win it back and then ushers it to safety.
92:49 - Wins a freekick and the game ends.
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I re-watched the game with my eye on Dembele and took notes of every bit of play he was involved in that he either touched the ball or directly influenced where the ball went. I tried to be as impartial as possible. The game is on BBC iPlayer for anyone who wants to check it out - everything is time stamped. I haven't included his chasing down or his runs that he never received the ball from but there was a few that are worth mentioning. For the shot Forrest had in the first half he creates the space for Musonda to run in to by dragging the defender in the opposite direction. In the second half when Musonda breaks and tries to play him in he could have been played in a lot earlier as Moussa had found a lot of space. His overall work rate in chasing down was impressive from the video footage - He's defending from the front for our first goal cutting off space that leads to the turnover to Browns ball over the top. The biggest thing I noticed is how little we created for him. He dropped deep more and more as the game went on to get involved. Forrest obviously scored a hat trick so who really cares but he didn't do much in the way of creating chances for anyone (3 assists all season). Another thing is how we looked a lot more comfortable taking throw ins. His movement gave the thrower a target to hit. It was noticeable how long we were taking earlier in the season and how it was disrupting our play. My opinion hasn't changed. A solid game. A few bad moments but mostly in situations where you don't really expect him to do any better. His work rate was up on the Killie game and he had some very good actions in the game - especially the one that led to the goal. Spoiler: click to toggle 1:03 - Great movement to get in behind on Browns ball forward. Brilliant first touch, decent enough shot blocked and it leads to a goal.
5:06 - Good movement to find space in the box, the cross is probably just a bit too high for him but he should have done better. Unlucky.
7:50 - Chases the ball down well and caused the Thistle defender to miss it. Chases again and the ball is launched out of play. Turnover of possession to Celtic.
8:33 - Spins the defender and looks to get in but the pass is short. Turns, takes a good touch and chips it out wide to Forrest in what was a poor pass. Done well initially but should have done better with the final ball.
11:48 - It’s a long ball from De Vries and he does well to get himself in in front of the defender coming from a deeper position. Puts enough pressure on that we come away with the ball.
26:05 - Clearance from a corner. He’s stretching a bit for it but he probably should have got more contact on it.
27:19 - I included this as one of the only examples of his chasing down as I was particularly impressed with it. Forrest comes in central and ends up out on the left and Thistle try to break down the right when they get the ball back and Dembele fills in for him.
28:04 - Comes deep - takes a good touch and lofts it out wide. Keeps the ball moving at a good pace.
28:43 - Comes short for the ball and tries to spin like earlier on when Ajer played him in but the pass from Simunovic comes as if he’s still going short. Not really his fault but maybe he should be doing better in this instance.
30:56 - Drops to the half way line to pick up a pass from Tierney and then knocks it back to Simunovic.
31:26 - Caught static when the ball comes in. The defender actually does well to get in infront of him but he should be doing better. Chases the ball down and makes it difficult for Thistle.
38:38 - Tries to hold it up and fails. Needs to be stronger but it was a 2 vs 1 situation.
Second half
45:39 - The ball comes long and I can’t quite tell if he’s touched it or not when he challenges in the air for it. The ball ends up at Tierney's feet anyway.
45:30 - Impressive defending from the front. Chases the Thistle defender and forces him into an error. Celtic regain possession.
47:20 - Tries to get in behind like for the first goal but goes too early. Offside.
49:50 - Long ball is played up to him and he wins the header but with no one in his vicinity it goes to Thistle. He chases down and wins the ball back.
50:35 - Comes short and takes it from Tierney and keeps the ball moving.
50:49 - Same move again as what led to the first goal - gets the run on the defender in behind but unfortunately the ball takes an unexpected bounce and goes through to the keeper. It’s hard to tell from the camera angle but he might have been able to control it. Inconclusive.
52:50 - Defender gets in and makes a tackle as he looks to receive it short again. Ball stays in our possession.
55:24 - Ball goes long again - manhandled by the Thistle defender. Should have been a free kick but the ref lets it go.
56:27 - Takes it in well from the throw in under pressure, turns and lays it off Ntcham in space. Good hold up play.
57:28 - Fights for the ball in a scramble in the middle of the park - ref gives a freekick for no reason.
60:10 - Alert as he gambles on a Thistle passbook where he blocks Cerny’s attempted clearance. Ball could have ended up anywhere but lucky enough for the keeper it went up in the air - he then booted Dembele in the chest.
60:46 - Another long ball comes up to him and he flicks the header on in to space but no runners from wide or beyond. Too easy to defend against balls like that.
62:31 - Does well and shows good feet to get into the box but when he cuts back his final pass is poor. Should have done better.
65:17 - Takes it in from the throw in, does well and plays it back. Good hold up play.
65:32 - Takes the pass in from Ajer and holds it up well. Creates enough space to get it out of his feet and keeps the ball moving. Good hold up play.
67:02 - Takes it from another throw in again. Good first touch and carry the ball in to the middle of the park. Lack of options to pass to and when it finally goes to Ntcham its probably too late. Pass is tipped and puts Ntcham under pressure when he receives it.
71:20 - Ball comes in to him - should have done better. Can’t tell if its a bad touch or a bad attempted pass.
72:06 - Drops out to the left to create space and receives the ball from Ntcham. Good first touch to take the ball where it needs to be and drives towards the box - takes it past the Thistle player and drags his shot wide. Good positive play lacking in the finish.
73:31 - He’s brilliant here. Tierney launches it forward and he gets himself infront of the Thistle defender and brings it down under pressure. Sticks his boot on the ball and drags it away from another thistle player and then plays it to McGregor. Tries to get himself forward but is fouled.
74:34 - Challenges for another long ball but loses out this time.
81:29 - Hoofed forward by Tierney aimlessly. Tries to get himself into position but it goes over his head.
84:44 - Another long ball to challenge for. Loses out as Thistle defenders position is good.
85:03 - Ball comes into feet again and the pressure from the Thistle player means it goes backwards to one of our players.
85:22 - Goes for the spin in behind again but the pass is too heavy. Unlucky.
88:09 - Long ball comes up and he makes it difficult for the Thistle defender. We pick up the second ball in a dangerous area.
89:29 - Gambles and spins the defender to get in behind showing how sharp he still is in the 89th minute. Pass back to Edouard could have led to a goal.
90:07 - Poor first touch as he tries to cut inside when doubled up on. Chases the ball down and helps win it back and then ushers it to safety.
92:49 - Wins a freekick and the game ends.
Your clutching mate, hes struggling the now and as much as today was better than Killie it still wasn't great. Vast improvement needed.
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Wee Ed KTF
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11 Feb 2018, 12:43 AM
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- Stringer Bell
- 10 Feb 2018, 09:17 PM
Hes carrying weight. Not the athlete he was last season and his touch is honking. Moussa carrying weight
I am reliably informed Moussa has a 'physique like an effin Marvel superhero.'
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