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Moussa Dembele
Topic Started: 28 Jun 2016, 11:59 AM (860,340 Views)
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Plagued with injuries doesn't exactly fit in with your no rotation plan, Moussa was your first choice I believe?
I'm not sure what point youre trying to make in relation to anything I've said.

I want a striker who will play a sustained number of games - if he gets injured then next in line gets the run. It's that simple.
Flog him until he falls? No horses for courses? One size fits all.
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24 Jan 2018, 12:10 PM
I wonder if there are parallels between the Bobo Balde situation and Dembele. Both players who 'didn't want to move' find themselves on the bench.

In Balde's case, I think we went a year without a clean sheet and in the one game he got picked for we got a clean sheet. I don't think he was seen again. I don't believe that Strachan didn't want to pick him.

Hey Mister, don’t you start, not after pulling up yon hundercover for attempted sh itstirring the other night... :nono:
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24 Jan 2018, 12:10 PM
I wonder if there are parallels between the Bobo Balde situation and Dembele. Both players who 'didn't want to move' find themselves on the bench.

In Balde's case, I think we went a year without a clean sheet and in the one game he got picked for we got a clean sheet. I don't think he was seen again. I don't believe that Strachan didn't want to pick him.

Hey Mister, don’t you start, not after pulling up yon hundercover for attempted sh itstirring the other night... :nono:
I think I might have missed that drama - unless you're saying I pulled him up, in which case I can't remember! :lol:

Anyway, its not shampoostirring. I'm saying that this isn't an entirely unprecedented situation. I'm sure that Peter Lawwell is good at many things, but I don't think his direct involvement in our transfer decisions in the past, and fallout from that, is among them.

I'd hoped that with Brendan Rodgers coming in that we had seen a change there, but with the disappointments of what's shaping up to be three consecutive transfer windows, I'm not sure about that.
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24 Jan 2018, 12:10 PM
I wonder if there are parallels between the Bobo Balde situation and Dembele. Both players who 'didn't want to move' find themselves on the bench.

In Balde's case, I think we went a year without a clean sheet and in the one game he got picked for we got a clean sheet. I don't think he was seen again. I don't believe that Strachan didn't want to pick him.

Hey Mister, don’t you start, not after pulling up yon hundercover for attempted sh itstirring the other night... :nono:
I think I might have missed that drama - unless you're saying I pulled him up, in which case I can't remember! :lol:

Anyway, its not shampoostirring. I'm saying that this isn't an entirely unprecedented situation. I'm sure that Peter Lawwell is good at many things, but I don't think his direct involvement in our transfer decisions in the past, and fallout from that, is among them.

I'd hoped that with Brendan Rodgers coming in that we had seen a change there, but with the disappointments of what's shaping up to be three consecutive transfer windows, I'm not sure about that.
We tag teamed his ass. No matter when Mods don’t GAF...

Totally get where you’re coming from but it ain’t over yet. Besides, are we talking about Lawwell’s ego being more important to him than the club’s welfare? That he would engineer a situation where he calls the bluff of our most successful manager since Stein; that he would nobble Brendan’s signing targets just to let him know who’s really boss? For money, success and power, BR has delivered in spades, to both Lawwell and Celtic. Lawwell wouldn’t risk that, he’d lose.
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Mikey and Arabba both said pretty much the same as Sutton.

Anyone whos been on the forum longer than a day knows that the two of them have solid sources. :thumbsup:
even paul brennan doesnt seem to be disagreeing with sutton

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Trying so hard not to get drawn in to transfer window nonsense but our old pal Chris Sutton got the better of me last night on BT Sport. He has been assured Moussa is happy to stay at Celtic this window (presumably by the player himself, or his agent), so concludes that somehow Chris Davies is undermining the player by suggesting he is not playing due to transfer speculation around him.

I have not spoken to Moussa’s agent but I have heard lots about him. He is thoroughly professional and if Chris Sutton did manage to get a word from him, he is likely to have been 100% on-message. There have been no amateur dramatics from Moussa’s side, but that doesn’t mean the world and Own Coyle’s auntie doesn’t want to sign him.

January is famously a rubbish month to sign players, so if anyone wants to acquire Moussa, Celtic will hold out for top price. The same is true for our signing targets. Brendan has significant funds to spend, but the last thing he needs is to load the squad with more of the same.

When the manager arrived 18 months ago, improving results was a fairly straightforward proposition. Now, after twice qualifying for the Champions League and winning all four domestic trophies available to him, the job of improving Celtic is considerably more difficult. These are the joys of planning for successive trebles and a third consecutive season of Champions League football.

We are a week away from the window closing and the ball is in play, but you will not receive a bling hit this month, just to keep everyone happy. We will do the right deals or no deal, like it, or, express mild frustration, followed by a cognitive alignment indicating acceptance of the inherent wisdom. Or just lump it.

Being able to hold your nerve is another joy of planning for a successive treble.
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Lump it?

Luckily, we don’t tell the club to lump it when they need our money.
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Think the Board have shat it and want the £15-20 mill. Think Brendan has been told no signings unless Dembele is sold. He looked pissed off as a result. It is utterly ridiculous a player of his quality is benched when the manager clearly has zero intention playing him.
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Stop talking rubbish, please :thumbsup:

They definitely do not prove him wrong :ponder:
Firstly, my comment is complete speculation. Nobody on this message board knows what is happening behind the scenes. People have bits of info - I have nothing.

In relation to your point on VVD - do you think we had £10-£12mill deposited in our bank account last week? The money will be spread over the next 3 years or as long as it takes Liverpool to pay the amount they agreed with Southampton. The actual figure could be lower - the £75 mill could be the top potential figure related to Liverpool making CL etc.

My point is this - we have been awful this season with the Board giving our manager a minimum outlay and linking any spending promised to contract increases. Brendan knew what Celtic was like before agreeing to come and has agreed to budgets etc. The Board may have said we won't be signing anyone until we get Dembele out the door and you can have 50% of what we make. Such a scenario may be bollocks but I don't think it is too detached from reality. This is how we have done our business for some considerable time - the last big outlay we had on players was when MON became manager. We remain a PLC - we are there to make money for the shareholders.
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I think I might have missed that drama - unless you're saying I pulled him up, in which case I can't remember! :lol:

Anyway, its not shampoostirring. I'm saying that this isn't an entirely unprecedented situation. I'm sure that Peter Lawwell is good at many things, but I don't think his direct involvement in our transfer decisions in the past, and fallout from that, is among them.

I'd hoped that with Brendan Rodgers coming in that we had seen a change there, but with the disappointments of what's shaping up to be three consecutive transfer windows, I'm not sure about that.
We tag teamed his ass. No matter when Mods don’t GAF...

Totally get where you’re coming from but it ain’t over yet. Besides, are we talking about Lawwell’s ego being more important to him than the club’s welfare? That he would engineer a situation where he calls the bluff of our most successful manager since Stein; that he would nobble Brendan’s signing targets just to let him know who’s really boss? For money, success and power, BR has delivered in spades, to both Lawwell and Celtic. Lawwell wouldn’t risk that, he’d lose.
Don't think it's like the Balde situation though. That was long term even when window was shut. Plenty players get left out when a transfer is imminent, it's sensible.

Tannadice on Boxing Day was the clean sheet :lol: I was behind the goal when Barry Robson hit the bar (for them) from 30 yards that nearly blew it though. (these details are potentially very incorrect on every level for reasons you both know too well :lol: )
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I wonder if there are parallels between the Bobo Balde situation and Dembele. Both players who 'didn't want to move' find themselves on the bench.

In Balde's case, I think we went a year without a clean sheet and in the one game he got picked for we got a clean sheet. I don't think he was seen again. I don't believe that Strachan didn't want to pick him.

Was something like 31 games then we played Dundee Utd on Boxing Day and we won 2-0.

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Club Vs player in a who-blinked-first competition. It's hardly new is it? Whichever one is right gets the bigger payday. It's all part of the game. I'm staying out of it, everyone is trying to get the best deal possible for their side. Ultimately we'll be fine, so will Moussa, now lets sign some effin players.
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The fact that posters who are claiming to know people who know Dembele are saying that he doesn't want to leave Celtic to go to clubs like Southampton etc is quite telling on how he feels. We spend years moaning about our best players going to teams like that and when one of them doesnt sound interested in it we try and force him out the door.
Point taken RE not being black and white, but if you want to stay here until "something better comes along", then you'd better be running yourself into the ground trying to help the side. I don't see that from MD at all, he looks like he's waiting for a better offer and just doing what he considers enough on the park.
'His behaviour is fine, there is no issue and no dramas.' - Brendan Rodgers on MD

You calling Brendan a liar?
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24 Jan 2018, 11:57 AM
The fact that posters who are claiming to know people who know Dembele are saying that he doesn't want to leave Celtic to go to clubs like Southampton etc is quite telling on how he feels. We spend years moaning about our best players going to teams like that and when one of them doesnt sound interested in it we try and force him out the door.
Point taken RE not being black and white, but if you want to stay here until "something better comes along", then you'd better be running yourself into the ground trying to help the side. I don't see that from MD at all, he looks like he's waiting for a better offer and just doing what he considers enough on the park.
'His behaviour is fine, there is no issue and no dramas.' - Brendan Rodgers on MD

You calling Brendan a liar?
Tell me where I said he was lying.

His behaviour can be fine and there can be no dramas, at the same time as BR not being happy with his contribution on the pitch. Which he has expressed.
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The fact that posters who are claiming to know people who know Dembele are saying that he doesn't want to leave Celtic to go to clubs like Southampton etc is quite telling on how he feels. We spend years moaning about our best players going to teams like that and when one of them doesnt sound interested in it we try and force him out the door.
Point taken RE not being black and white, but if you want to stay here until "something better comes along", then you'd better be running yourself into the ground trying to help the side. I don't see that from MD at all, he looks like he's waiting for a better offer and just doing what he considers enough on the park.
'His behaviour is fine, there is no issue and no dramas.' - Brendan Rodgers on MD

You calling Brendan a liar?
You’ve carefully selected quotes there. You didn’t use the quotes from Rodgers where he said Dembele has not been the same player as last season.
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'His behaviour is fine, there is no issue and no dramas.' - Brendan Rodgers on MD

You calling Brendan a liar?
Tell me where I said he was lying.

His behaviour can be fine and there can be no dramas, at the same time as BR not being happy with his contribution on the pitch. Which he has expressed.
He never suggested Moussa wasn't putting in the work though. I'd imagine Brendan takes in the whole package when he talks about behaviour. I think he said Moussa isn't at the levels of last season, not that he wasn't happy with his contribution?
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'His behaviour is fine, there is no issue and no dramas.' - Brendan Rodgers on MD

You calling Brendan a liar?
You’ve carefully selected quotes there. You didn’t use the quotes from Rodgers where he said Dembele has not been the same player as last season.
This is the interview I took quotes from...
Brendan Rodgers on Tuesday night insisted there were no issues surrounding Moussa Dembele despite the Frenchman again failing to come off the bench for Celtic.

An unused substitute against Brechin City at the weekend, the striker was rendered a spectator as Rodgers’ side came from behind to beat Partick Thistle and extend their lead at the top of the Premiership table to 11 points.

Linked with Brighton, Everton and Crystal Palace in this window, the France under-21 star’s situation remains unclear ahead of next Wednesday’s deadline.

But Rodgers, who watched Dembele’s fellow sub Leigh Griffiths score the winner at Firhill, is adamant his team selection on Tuesday night had nothing to do with the player’s attitude and only the need for his side to win the game.

‘You write what you need to write,’ Rodgers said. ‘I think you have asked about Moussa enough since January.

‘If you ask about him you need to ask about Jozo (Simunovic) and the other players.

‘I think I have done okay in picking the best team to win since I came here. Try to have a little bit of respect for the team I pick. We have only lost one of our last 76 games.

‘If Moussa is in our squad then great, if he is not we will see by the end of January. His behaviour is fine, there is no issue and no dramas.

‘We are here to win games and I will pick the team I think is best to do that.’

Asked what would happen if Dembele moves before the end of the month, Rodgers said: ‘If Moussa goes we need to bring in another one. Simple. Players need competition and we need to be competitive.’

Reflecting on a victory that saw a Scott Sinclair penalty and Griffiths’ goal wipe out Conor Sammon’s spot-kick opener, Rodgers added: ‘It was a very good win for us. I thought we played well overall.

‘We made a couple of mistakes in the first half in our build-up play, I thought we were deserving of a goal but it didn’t come.

‘And then we made a mistake for the penalty, it was a clear penalty. Then your team is asked a question.

‘So I thank the players as I had to put risk into the game by changing the system, taking off a defender and going more attacking.

‘Second half the players really took to that and were absolutely fantastic. Scored two goals and could have had more.’

Odsonne Edouard started up front again with Griffiths climbing off the bench after missing the Brechin tie with an ankle knock.

Asked if the Scot had made a timely point by scoring, Rodgers said: ‘I don’t think anyone needs reminding.

‘It’s a big issue with you guys. We know what Leigh can do. If Moussa comes on we know what he can do. I thought young Odsonne was excellent.’

Thistle manager Alan Archibald’s disappointment at losing was tempered by the display his side put in for an hour.

‘We put a lot into the game, a lot of effort and work rate,’ he said.

‘Obviously they changed, bringing Griffiths on and tweaking the formation. We didn’t quite get grips with it early enough.

‘They always control the ball and dictate play but we created a lot of good chances.

‘It was a much better performance and we can build it now and take it into the next 15 games.’
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Tell me where I said he was lying.

His behaviour can be fine and there can be no dramas, at the same time as BR not being happy with his contribution on the pitch. Which he has expressed.
He never suggested Moussa wasn't putting in the work though. I'd imagine Brendan takes in the whole package when he talks about behaviour. I think he said Moussa isn't at the levels of last season, not that he wasn't happy with his contribution?
I thought Rodgers contradicted himself to be honest. He said there were no issues with Dembele but then added that he’s not the same player as last season. Your star player suffering a major loss of form sounds like a pretty serious issue to me. Ok, he hasn’t gone on strike and he still turns up for training every day. But he’s gone from playing like a £30 million striker to playing like a £3 million one. I assumed it was purely down to a lack of sharpness after being out for a while but if that was the case, surely we’d be giving him more game time to build his momentum back up.
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He never suggested Moussa wasn't putting in the work though. I'd imagine Brendan takes in the whole package when he talks about behaviour. I think he said Moussa isn't at the levels of last season, not that he wasn't happy with his contribution?
I thought Rodgers contradicted himself to be honest. He said there were no issues with Dembele but then added that he’s not the same player as last season. Your star player suffering a major loss of form sounds like a pretty serious issue to me. Ok, he hasn’t gone on strike and he still turns up for training every day. But he’s gone from playing like a £30 million striker to playing like a £3 million one. I assumed it was purely down to a lack of sharpness after being out for a while but if that was the case, surely we’d be giving him more game time to build his momentum back up.
Surely he means he isn't a problem on the training pitch, like he isn't causing any dramas in the background which could be putting the rest of the team off.

We have seen it before, players want a move and try and force it through, down tools and kick up stinks until the move happens.
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I thought Rodgers contradicted himself to be honest. He said there were no issues with Dembele but then added that he’s not the same player as last season. Your star player suffering a major loss of form sounds like a pretty serious issue to me. Ok, he hasn’t gone on strike and he still turns up for training every day. But he’s gone from playing like a £30 million striker to playing like a £3 million one. I assumed it was purely down to a lack of sharpness after being out for a while but if that was the case, surely we’d be giving him more game time to build his momentum back up.
Surely he means he isn't a problem on the training pitch, like he isn't causing any dramas in the background which could be putting the rest of the team off.

We have seen it before, players want a move and try and force it through, down tools and kick up stinks until the move happens.
I dare say that is what he meant. But if Dembele is really being the consumate professional, it makes no sense to punish him by leaving him festering on the bench.
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The sooner all this transfer nonsense is sorted out the better for Celtic Football Club imo :thumbsup:
Come on mate. You no up for another 18 months of speculation?
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